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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

It'd be really disappointing if those involved in the cover up make a deal to reveal what they know to help prosecute Sandusky in return for immunity. Seems like there is plenty of evidence against Sandusky that a deal shouldn't be made.
You do realize that Sandusky has already been found guilty, right?
 
It'd be really disappointing if those involved in the cover up make a deal to reveal what they know to help prosecute Sandusky in return for immunity. Seems like there is plenty of evidence against Sandusky that a deal shouldn't be made.
I'm really hoping the Celtics can close it out at home. They don't want the series to go back to Miami for a Game 7.
 
Sally Jenkins - Washington PostThis is the person that conducted the last Paterno interview. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/2012/07/12/gJQAMUX9fW_story.html

Joe Paterno was a liar, there’s no doubt about that now. He was also a cover-up artist. If the Freeh Report is correct in its summary of the Penn State child molestation scandal, the public Paterno of the last few years was a work of fiction. In his place is a hubristic, indictable hypocrite.In the last interview before his death, Paterno insisted as strenuously as a dying man could that he had absolutely no knowledge of a 1998 police inquiry into child molestation accusations against his assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. This has always been the critical point in assessing whether Paterno and other Penn State leaders enabled Sandusky’s crimes.If Paterno knew about ’98, then he wasn’t some aging granddad who was deceived, but a canny and unfeeling power broker who put protecting his reputation ahead of protecting children.If he knew about ’98, then he understood the import of graduate assistant Mike McQueary’s distraught account in 2001 that he witnessed Sandusky assaulting a boy in the Penn State showers.If he knew about ’98, then he also perjured himself before a grand jury.Guilty.Paterno didn’t always give lucid answers in his final interview conducted with the Washington Post three days before his death, but on this point he was categorical and clear as a bell. He pled total, lying ignorance of the ’98 investigation into a local mother’s claim Sandusky had groped her son in the shower at the football building. How could Paterno have no knowledge of this, I asked him?“Nobody knew,” he said.Everybody knew.Never heard a rumor?“I never heard a thing,” he said.He heard everything.Not a whisper? How is that possible?“If Jerry’s guilty, nobody found out til after several incidents.”Paterno’s account of himself is flatly contradicted in damning detail by ex FBI-director Louis Freeh’s report. In a news conference Thursday Freeh charged that Paterno, along with athletic director Tim Curley, university president Graham Spanier and vice president Gary Schultz, engaged in a cover-up, “an active agreement of concealment.”Paterno was not only aware of the ’98 investigation but followed it “closely” according to Freeh. As did the entire leadership of Penn State. E-mails and confidential notes by Schultz about the progress of the inquiry prove it. “Behavior – at best inappropriate @ worst sexual improprieties,” Schultz wrote. “At min – Poor Judgment.” Schultz also wrote, “Is this opening of pandora’s box?” and “Other children?”A May 5, 1998 e-mail from Curley to Schultz and Spanier was titled “Joe Paterno” and it says, “I have touched base with the coach. Keep us posted. Thanks.”A second e-mail dated May 13 1998 from Curley to Schultz is titled “Jerry” and it says, “Anything new is this department? Coach is anxious to know where it stands.”There is only one aspect in which the Freeh report does not totally destroy Paterno’s pretension of honesty. It finds no connection between the ’98 investigation and Sandusky’s resignation from Paterno’s staff in ’99. The report also suggests that Paterno genuinely believed the police had found no evidence of a crime.
 
It's a damn shame that Joe isn't around to be brought up on charges.

And for the love of god, will somebody, anybody please shut up the remaining Paterno clan.

 
It's a damn shame that Joe isn't around to be brought up on charges.
Fear not...
PHILADELPHIA—Releasing a full report of his investigation into the Penn State scandal at a press conference Thursday morning, former FBI director Louis J. Freeh disclosed that the late Joe Paterno was indeed burning in hell at this very moment for his part in covering up the sexual abuse of young boys. "My examination of the available documents found that Jerry Sandusky's activities were almost certainly known to Coach Paterno, who failed to act appropriately in reporting or following up on certain incidents and who is indeed shrieking in indescribable anguish as the searing flames of hell devour his flesh for all eternity," Freeh told reporters, adding that Paterno's firing by the university was also warranted. "Every moment since his death has been one of pure suffering and excruciating, flesh-melting torment, based on the interdepartmental communications given to us for review." Freeh refused to confirm whether Penn State fans and alumni who supported Paterno during the scandal would also eventually burn in hell, saying they had "the remainder of their lives" to reflect and repent and "may still escape eternal and painful damnation."
 
'Dragons said:
'Sinn Fein said:
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Can't seem to C&P, but the 2nd footnote on page 51 is sickening.I'll type it out:Penn State officials were familiar with the issues of liability that could arise from Sandusky bringing minors to the Lasch Building. For example, notes maintained by Paterno reflect that Sandusky proposed several continuing connections with Penn State when he retired in 1999. Among those connections was that he would have continuing "[a]ccess to training and workout facilities." A handwritten note on this proposal reads: "Is this for personal use or 2nd Mile kids. No to 2nd Mile. Liability problems." Exhibit 2-G
:confused:I would assume this simply refers to potential injury liability for kids in the workout facility. Without more, I don't see this as assuming liability for sexual assault.
Taken all on it's own, that's a valid interpretation. But, we know Paterno knew about the 1998 incident.
So, how does that change anything? Would it be better if Paterno told them to let the kids on the campus? If Paterno did something wrong then have at him but to highlight every single mundane action as suspicious only makes one wonder what is real and what is a witch hunt.
 
It'd be really disappointing if those involved in the cover up make a deal to reveal what they know to help prosecute Sandusky in return for immunity. Seems like there is plenty of evidence against Sandusky that a deal shouldn't be made.
Ummm...you know he's been found guilty right?There was like big stories on it and everything.
He's going to be crushed when learns about Michael Jackson.
 
'proninja said:
'ConstruxBoy said:
'proninja said:
P.S. - Thursday's going to be a great day.
I don't know why. It'll probably be either inconclusive or ugly.
Hard for me to call anything surrounding this situation great. It's all sad. Justice is a sort of good news I guess, but I'd rather all these men had made the right call in the first place.
Nice to see we finally agree on something.
Disagree as we might on most things in here, I'm pretty sure 100% of us are anti kiddie rape and wish less of it would have happened. While I think you're looking at Joe through rose colored glasses (and you seem to think my criticism of what he didn't do stems from some hate of Paterno over any of the other bad guys in this story) I certainly don't think you condone what Sandusky did and appreciate how you disagree with me.
Thanks. :thumbup:
 
I really struggle with the idea that any PSU alum wouldn't be advocating for the shutting down of the football program right now. Death penalty by the NCAA doesn't seem right because the end of the football program should really come from the school and alumni. I don't see how anyone can argue that the power of the program and Paterno allowed these horrible acts to happen for well over a decade. How depraved were these campus leaders to never think about the victims? The only way I see for Penn State to ever recover from this is to banish football. If the NCAA imposes that sanction it won't be nearly as powerful as the school deciding on it's own to do it.

All that said, PSU is ####ed when it comes to the civil suit and if I'm a victim I insist on 8-figures and the death of football on campus.

 
'JZilla said:
Well I gotta say boys.. I've found your faux indignation to be a major turnoff throughout this whole thing and I still do, but it's official - you were absolutely right all along.

I'll never trust another old guy again.
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I really struggle with the idea that any PSU alum wouldn't be advocating for the shutting down of the football program right now. Death penalty by the NCAA doesn't seem right because the end of the football program should really come from the school and alumni. I don't see how anyone can argue that the power of the program and Paterno allowed these horrible acts to happen for well over a decade. How depraved were these campus leaders to never think about the victims? The only way I see for Penn State to ever recover from this is to banish football. If the NCAA imposes that sanction it won't be nearly as powerful as the school deciding on it's own to do it. All that said, PSU is ####ed when it comes to the civil suit and if I'm a victim I insist on 8-figures and the death of football on campus.
I understand this sentiment, but why should the current crop of football players bear the brunt of this heinous tragedy? They didn't do anything wrong. Why wreck their football careers, especially the upper classmen. Why should they uproot and transfer to play a game they love because the men before them were dishonest, feckless, evil and guilty of criminal misconduct? Why punish the students, many of whom probably chose this school for their football program alone? It just seems counterproductive to kill football here as a punitive measure for wrongdoing by a dead coach, mishandling of the situations by fired department heads and the sadistic behavior of a sick man who hasn't coached at PSU since 1999 and will rot in a prison cell.If we are indeed a country that embraces second chances, why can't we give this school a chance to make amends and rebuild? Why not put PSU in a spotlight and let them show the country how you repair a tarnished image and ensure that nothing like this EVER happens again at any insitution anywhere in the world? :shrug:
 
It'd be really disappointing if those involved in the cover up make a deal to reveal what they know to help prosecute Sandusky in return for immunity. Seems like there is plenty of evidence against Sandusky that a deal shouldn't be made.
"Hey everybody! We landed on the Moon!!!"
 
I understand this sentiment, but why should the current crop of football players bear the brunt of this heinous tragedy? They didn't do anything wrong. Why wreck their football careers, especially the upper classmen. Why should they uproot and transfer to play a game they love because the men before them were dishonest, feckless, evil and guilty of criminal misconduct?
There might be valid reasons for not shutting down the program, but this isn't one. They can transfer. They're not serfs. Or they can stay and, you know, get an education.
 
I understand this sentiment, but why should the current crop of football players bear the brunt of this heinous tragedy? They didn't do anything wrong. Why wreck their football careers, especially the upper classmen. Why should they uproot and transfer to play a game they love because the men before them were dishonest, feckless, evil and guilty of criminal misconduct?
There might be valid reasons for not shutting down the program, but this isn't one. They can transfer. They're not serfs. Or they can stay and, you know, get an education.
Agreed. It's not fair to them, but hey, they'll live. Maybe this causes future high school recruits to scrutinize the integrity of the programs that they are considering from now on... thus adding even more pressure to schools to make sure they're doing the right thing(s).
 
Just heard a lawyer talking about this. Guess he is a NCAA expert. He said the NCAA really has no rules/way to give PSU the death penalty over this. It would be up to PSU to shut it's football team down.

 
Just heard a lawyer talking about this. Guess he is a NCAA expert. He said the NCAA really has no rules/way to give PSU the death penalty over this. It would be up to PSU to shut it's football team down.
What about the Big10
B1G has no obligation to keep schools after contracts are over. I doubt they'd dump PSU from an academic perspective. Not sure if they'd tell them to pound sand athletically.
 
Giving the gravity of the situation I don't really care about the current football players. Yes, it isn't fair to them but life isn't fair. If it was a monster like Sandusky wouldn't have been allowed to do what he did for 20 years because a handful of leaders didn't want to hurt their reputations or disrupt the cash that the football program provided.

I doubt it would happen but just think how powerful a statement it would be for the current football players to call for the end of the program in order for the University to move on from this horrible happening. They would be making a personal sacrifice in order to better the school, something that never occurred to the leadership that allowed this monster to ruin the lives of countless kids.

 
Giving the gravity of the situation I don't really care about the current football players. Yes, it isn't fair to them but life isn't fair. If it was a monster like Sandusky wouldn't have been allowed to do what he did for 20 years because a handful of leaders didn't want to hurt their reputations or disrupt the cash that the football program provided. I doubt it would happen but just think how powerful a statement it would be for the current football players to call for the end of the program in order for the University to move on from this horrible happening. They would be making a personal sacrifice in order to better the school, something that never occurred to the leadership that allowed this monster to ruin the lives of countless kids.
So if Sandusky was a science professor and everything else was the same would Penn State drop science? I don't see what it has to do with football only; either close the school or leave it alone but I don't see how he football program acted in sheer autonomy here.
 
It'd be really disappointing if those involved in the cover up make a deal to reveal what they know to help prosecute Sandusky in return for immunity. Seems like there is plenty of evidence against Sandusky that a deal shouldn't be made.
You do realize that Sandusky has already been found guilty, right?
I should have clarified that I was thinking in regards to an appeal that Sandusky will try for.
 
I really struggle with the idea that any PSU alum wouldn't be advocating for the shutting down of the football program right now. Death penalty by the NCAA doesn't seem right because the end of the football program should really come from the school and alumni. I don't see how anyone can argue that the power of the program and Paterno allowed these horrible acts to happen for well over a decade. How depraved were these campus leaders to never think about the victims? The only way I see for Penn State to ever recover from this is to banish football. If the NCAA imposes that sanction it won't be nearly as powerful as the school deciding on it's own to do it. All that said, PSU is ####ed when it comes to the civil suit and if I'm a victim I insist on 8-figures and the death of football on campus.
I understand this sentiment, but why should the current crop of football players bear the brunt of this heinous tragedy? They didn't do anything wrong. Why wreck their football careers, especially the upper classmen. Why should they uproot and transfer to play a game they love because the men before them were dishonest, feckless, evil and guilty of criminal misconduct? Why punish the students, many of whom probably chose this school for their football program alone? It just seems counterproductive to kill football here as a punitive measure for wrongdoing by a dead coach, mishandling of the situations by fired department heads and the sadistic behavior of a sick man who hasn't coached at PSU since 1999 and will rot in a prison cell.If we are indeed a country that embraces second chances, why can't we give this school a chance to make amends and rebuild? Why not put PSU in a spotlight and let them show the country how you repair a tarnished image and ensure that nothing like this EVER happens again at any insitution anywhere in the world? :shrug:
Because to me, with the University switching the tv channels so the students couldn't watch the Freeh press conference today, tells me they're still trying to sweep it under the rug and brush it aside and they still dont get it. It happens all the time, with corporations and schools where the wrongdoing of a few affects the whole. They (the university) need to learn that the almighty dollar and the football program isn't bigger than an innocent child's life and well being. When do you think Graham Spanier will be let go? Or do you think he'll be teaching sociology until the day he goes to jail?
 
'Wrighteous Ray said:
There does seem to be a bit of disingenuousness here among fans of other football powerhouses. If Penn State should shut down its program due to its outsized role on campus, then so should Alabama and Ohio State and Tennessee and pretty much every big football program.
If they use their power to protect a pedophile, yes.Power is not a bad thing. Abuse of power is a bad thing.
 
'Wrighteous Ray said:
'CrossEyed said:
'Wrighteous Ray said:
There does seem to be a bit of disingenuousness here among fans of other football powerhouses. If Penn State should shut down its program due to its outsized role on campus, then so should Alabama and Ohio State and Tennessee and pretty much every big football program.
As soon as their oversized role leads to repeated coverup of criminal activities, I'll agree with you.
If these places are problems just waiting to happen, it doesn't seem like we should wait to hear about all the bad stuff before taking steps.
Punish people for what could happen?That's ### ####ed un-American.
 
The NCAA, Big Ten, or Penn St won't do anything to PSU football. Just like when Paterno and gang decided to cover-up all this, it's about the money. And PSU makes all these people cash. If this happened at say Akron then the NCAA would flex its muscles.

 
'Rayderr said:
'JZilla said:
At the risk of being accused of child rape... what is actually accomplished by dismantling the football program? More specifically, who is that punishing at this point?
Sends out a pretty ####ing clear message to the other programs that if you try to cover something like this up, we will destroy your football program. So don't do it, and get a good checks and balances system in place.
Other football programs? Why not NFL teams? Why not corporations? Why not government agencies? Why not charities? CFB programs are not any more powerful than lots of other institutions. I think there's a little disconnect here.
 
The NCAA, Big Ten, or Penn St won't do anything to PSU football. Just like when Paterno and gang decided to cover-up all this, it's about the money. And PSU makes all these people cash. If this happened at say Akron then the NCAA would flex its muscles.
Why are you focused on the football team? How about the institution that spawned the football team and allowed it to take over?
 
The NCAA, Big Ten, or Penn St won't do anything to PSU football. Just like when Paterno and gang decided to cover-up all this, it's about the money. And PSU makes all these people cash. If this happened at say Akron then the NCAA would flex its muscles.
Why are you focused on the football team? How about the institution that spawned the football team and allowed it to take over?
I'm assuming lawsuits will practically destroy the university.
 
'Rayderr said:
'JZilla said:
At the risk of being accused of child rape... what is actually accomplished by dismantling the football program? More specifically, who is that punishing at this point?
Sends out a pretty ####ing clear message to the other programs that if you try to cover something like this up, we will destroy your football program. So don't do it, and get a good checks and balances system in place.
Other football programs? Why not NFL teams? Why not corporations? Why not government agencies? Why not charities? CFB programs are not any more powerful than lots of other institutions. I think there's a little disconnect here.
Look no further than the New Orleans Saints for an example of the NFL punishing a team to send a message to the other teams in the league.
 
The NCAA, Big Ten, or Penn St won't do anything to PSU football. Just like when Paterno and gang decided to cover-up all this, it's about the money. And PSU makes all these people cash. If this happened at say Akron then the NCAA would flex its muscles.
Why are you focused on the football team? How about the institution that spawned the football team and allowed it to take over?
I'm assuming lawsuits will practically destroy the university.
That's what I'm thinking. Is there any cap on the amount that can be rewarded against Penn St?
 
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The NCAA, Big Ten, or Penn St won't do anything to PSU football. Just like when Paterno and gang decided to cover-up all this, it's about the money. And PSU makes all these people cash. If this happened at say Akron then the NCAA would flex its muscles.
Why are you focused on the football team? How about the institution that spawned the football team and allowed it to take over?
I'm assuming lawsuits will practically destroy the university.
Then there's really no reason to do anything to the football team, is there?
 
The NCAA, Big Ten, or Penn St won't do anything to PSU football. Just like when Paterno and gang decided to cover-up all this, it's about the money. And PSU makes all these people cash. If this happened at say Akron then the NCAA would flex its muscles.
On what basis? What NCAA rule did they break?
 
'Rayderr said:
'JZilla said:
At the risk of being accused of child rape... what is actually accomplished by dismantling the football program? More specifically, who is that punishing at this point?
Sends out a pretty ####ing clear message to the other programs that if you try to cover something like this up, we will destroy your football program. So don't do it, and get a good checks and balances system in place.
Other football programs? Why not NFL teams? Why not corporations? Why not government agencies? Why not charities? CFB programs are not any more powerful than lots of other institutions. I think there's a little disconnect here.
Look no further than the New Orleans Saints for an example of the NFL punishing a team to send a message to the other teams in the league.
You're missing the point. Hitting the football team for football related infractions makes sense. Punishing PSU football for recruiting violations sends a message to other football programs to not commit recruiting violations. Hiding a pedophile can happen in any powerful institution.
 
The NCAA, Big Ten, or Penn St won't do anything to PSU football. Just like when Paterno and gang decided to cover-up all this, it's about the money. And PSU makes all these people cash. If this happened at say Akron then the NCAA would flex its muscles.
On what basis? What NCAA rule did they break?
People are in a frenzy and are lashing out.
I'm not defending PSU here by any stretch, but I fail to see how the NCAA has any part in this. They simply aren't needed. This will be taken care of in the court system. Even if the NCAA did have a dog in the fight, I struggle to believe they'd get it right. Doesn't seem to be their MO.
 
The NCAA, Big Ten, or Penn St won't do anything to PSU football. Just like when Paterno and gang decided to cover-up all this, it's about the money. And PSU makes all these people cash. If this happened at say Akron then the NCAA would flex its muscles.
On what basis? What NCAA rule did they break?
People are in a frenzy and are lashing out.
I'm not defending PSU here by any stretch, but I fail to see how the NCAA has any part in this. They simply aren't needed. This will be taken care of in the court system. Even if the NCAA did have a dog in the fight, I struggle to believe they'd get it right. Doesn't seem to be their MO.
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'Rayderr said:
'JZilla said:
At the risk of being accused of child rape... what is actually accomplished by dismantling the football program? More specifically, who is that punishing at this point?
Sends out a pretty ####ing clear message to the other programs that if you try to cover something like this up, we will destroy your football program. So don't do it, and get a good checks and balances system in place.
Other football programs? Why not NFL teams? Why not corporations? Why not government agencies? Why not charities? CFB programs are not any more powerful than lots of other institutions. I think there's a little disconnect here.
Look no further than the New Orleans Saints for an example of the NFL punishing a team to send a message to the other teams in the league.
You're missing the point. Hitting the football team for football related infractions makes sense. Punishing PSU football for recruiting violations sends a message to other football programs to not commit recruiting violations. Hiding a pedophile can happen in any powerful institution.
I assure you that if Robert Kraft and Bill Belichik knew that Tom Brady was a kid toucher and not only didn't do anything, but covered it up, Goodell would drop the hammer on them.(btw, no I don't think Brady is a kid toucher. Just using him as a hypothetical example.)
 
Doubt PSU takes any action against the football program that would lead to games missed due to all the coming lawsuits. Going to have to pay for this somehow.

 
'Rayderr said:
'JZilla said:
At the risk of being accused of child rape... what is actually accomplished by dismantling the football program? More specifically, who is that punishing at this point?
Sends out a pretty ####ing clear message to the other programs that if you try to cover something like this up, we will destroy your football program. So don't do it, and get a good checks and balances system in place.
Other football programs? Why not NFL teams? Why not corporations? Why not government agencies? Why not charities? CFB programs are not any more powerful than lots of other institutions. I think there's a little disconnect here.
Look no further than the New Orleans Saints for an example of the NFL punishing a team to send a message to the other teams in the league.
You're missing the point. Hitting the football team for football related infractions makes sense. Punishing PSU football for recruiting violations sends a message to other football programs to not commit recruiting violations. Hiding a pedophile can happen in any powerful institution.
I assure you that if Robert Kraft and Bill Belichik knew that Tom Brady was a kid toucher and not only didn't do anything, but covered it up, Goodell would drop the hammer on them.(btw, no I don't think Brady is a kid toucher. Just using him as a hypothetical example.)
Read this slowly. You are still not getting the point. This is not about the PSU football program. This is not about the NCAA. This is not about sending a message to other CFB programs. This is about PSU--the entire school.
 

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