Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (4 Viewers)

[Furious Styles]

3 additional accusers out now that claim Sandusky was abusing them in the 70s and 80s

 

[NCCommish]

Perhaps you guys weren't aware of this but every time someone posts in a thread it goes back to the top.

My bump was 5 minutes after your's, bro. That meant it was approximately thread 8 on the page.And anyway, I wasn't saying don't bump it. I just meant that I'll be glad when the topic fades from here.

Just pickin' my friend.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Perhaps you guys weren't aware of this but every time someone posts in a thread it goes back to the top.

My bump was 5 minutes after your's, bro. That meant it was approximately thread 8 on the page.And anyway, I wasn't saying don't bump it. I just meant that I'll be glad when the topic fades from here.

Just pickin' my friend.

Oh. The whole thing is just so sad.

 

[NCCommish]

Perhaps you guys weren't aware of this but every time someone posts in a thread it goes back to the top.

My bump was 5 minutes after your's, bro. That meant it was approximately thread 8 on the page.And anyway, I wasn't saying don't bump it. I just meant that I'll be glad when the topic fades from here.

Just pickin' my friend.

Oh. The whole thing is just so sad.

yes it is.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I posted this in the other thread, but I'll post here as well. I do not believe there will be any punishment handed down by the NCAA:

All of this talk, is just that. At the end of the day, Penn State will promise (and may even deliver) a thorough review of its football program. It will vow that going forward there will be greater transparency. They will settle the various law suits, and as a result of those settlements will probably set aside funds to support child abuse programs. Time is their ally here - withstand the knee jerk responses and let it fade into the distance.

The football program is not going to be shut down, by Penn State or the NCAA, for any length of time. The program itself will likely suffer no punishment or any long-lasting impact on its reputation. 100,000+ people will still fill the stadium on Saturdays. This year will still bring stories about Sandusky and Paterno at every game, but by next season, it will largely be forgotten. Sure, there will be a few folks who vow to never forget, but the public at large will move past this and never look back.

Paterno will not be remembered for his wins, his library, or anything else. His story line will always begin "covered up child abuse". Most folks will be satisfied with scapegoating* Sandusky, Paterno, and a few administrators, but the story behind the scenes is really the old adage power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Paterno did what many would have done in his position. He was human, and made mistakes. It does not make him less culpable, but when you look for the root cause here, look at the culture that enabled Paterno to wield so much power.

* I use this term very loosely. Sandusky, Paterno, and others are very culpable for the decisions they made, but I think there are bigger issues at play than the mistakes these individuals made.

So far, right on schedule.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Although we cannot undo history, we can become agents for change and reaffirm our core values of honesty, integrity and justice. I promise you, we will learn from our past and take the steps that will allow us to emerge and grow into a stronger, better university

And the very first thing that needs to happen is that tonight we are tearing down the statue of the a man whom failed at the most basic of these three principals. We are also imposing a five year death penalty for our stoic football program. This is done to refocus ourselves into rebuilding our University not as a football powerhouse but as a nationally acclaimed institution of higher learning with honesty, integrity and justice as our most cherished qualities - not wins and loses on a football scoreboard.

 

[HellToupee]

I'm tired of hearing about it every day on talk radio and tired of seeing it.

I'm so ready to not see this thread on the first page anymore. :(

Perhaps you guys weren't aware of this but every time someone posts in a thread it goes back to the top.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Good god this thread has gone in the ####ter

The Paterno family is going to step in and save everything - including this thread.ESPN: Paterno family authorizes comprehensive reviewAccording to ESPN.com, Joe Paterno's family has instructed its lawyer to form a "group of experts" to conduct a comprehensive review of the facts and conclusions presented in the Freeh report."We are dismayed by, and vehemently disagree with, some of the conclusions and assertions and the process by which they were developed by the Freeh Group," Wick Sollers, the lawyer for the Paterno family, said in a statement to ESPN Monday. "Mr. Freeh presented his opinions and interpretations as if they were absolute facts. We believe numerous issues in the report, and his commentary, bear further review."According to the ESPN report: The Paterno family also said it will ask its team of experts and lawyers "to go beyond the report and identify additional information that should be analyzed." A review is also planned on Freeh's presentation of the facts at last Thursday's press conference in Philadelphia, Sollers said. In addition, the Paterno family has asked the Freeh Group to preserve all its records, notes and materials collected during its seven-month investigation of the Jerry Sandusky matter.

:facepalm:

 

[Borat]

bump

 

[Borat]

I think the Paternos are out to prove that even though Joe may have been wrong, he wasn't wrong for the wrong reasons.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I think the Paternos are out to prove that even though Joe may have been wrong, he wasn't wrong for the wrong reasons.

 

[The Commish]

Credit to the NCAA

They don't appear to be going in guns a blazin' Smart move.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Credit to the NCAA

They don't appear to be going in guns a blazin' Smart move.

When has the NCAA ever gone in guns a blazin? They always take forever to rule on punishment. The Miami stuff is almost a year old and the NCAA hasn't done anything yet.

 

[The Commish]

Credit to the NCAA

They don't appear to be going in guns a blazin' Smart move.

When has the NCAA ever gone in guns a blazin? They always take forever to rule on punishment. The Miami stuff is almost a year old and the NCAA hasn't done anything yet.

Once they found out what was going on at UNC, they basically swarmed the campus. At least here, they are working with PSU. It appears they understand this is bigger than football and for that I'm appreciative. They swarmed OSU once they found out about allegations as well. I'm not talking about how long it takes to make a ruling. That varies from one case to the next.

 

[joffer]

bump

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

Anybody praising the NCAA for its decisionmaking should probably consider this CalTech thing.

So so dumb.

 

[the moops]

Anybody praising the NCAA for its decisionmaking should probably consider this CalTech thing.

So so dumb.

Jesus

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Anybody praising the NCAA for its decisionmaking should probably consider this CalTech thing.

So so dumb.

Jesus

It's scary that people can be this stupid.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Anybody praising the NCAA for its decisionmaking should probably consider this CalTech thing.

So so dumb.

I guess I improperly participated in NCAA competitions. Awesome.

I hope they throw the book at Harvard, Yale, MIT, Brown and the rest of these sleazy operations, all of whom also have shopping periods.

 

[NCCommish]

Although we cannot undo history, we can become agents for change and reaffirm our core values of honesty, integrity and justice. I promise you, we will learn from our past and take the steps that will allow us to emerge and grow into a stronger, better university

And the very first thing that needs to happen is that tonight we are tearing down the statue of the a man whom failed at the most basic of these three principals. We are also imposing a five year death penalty for our stoic football program. This is done to refocus ourselves into rebuilding our University not as a football powerhouse but as a nationally acclaimed institution of higher learning with honesty, integrity and justice as our most cherished qualities - not wins and loses on a football scoreboard.

They are already ranked as a top 5 school or better in several disciplines. There is nothing that comes from ending the football program.

 

[NCCommish]

Anybody praising the NCAA for its decisionmaking should probably consider this CalTech thing.

So so dumb.

Jesus

It's scary that people can be this stupid.

 

[The Commish]

Anybody praising the NCAA for its decisionmaking should probably consider this CalTech thing.

So so dumb.

Jesus

It's scary that people can be this stupid.

Yeah...I want this organization involved in serious matters like child molestation Good God they are dumb.

 

[Christo]

Anybody praising the NCAA for its decisionmaking should probably consider this CalTech thing.

So so dumb.

Jesus

It's scary that people can be this stupid.

Yeah...I want this organization involved in serious matters like child molestation Good God they are dumb.

So is Joe Nocera.This says it all:

Caltech turned itself in after a new athletic director realized that the practice of shopping for classes probably violated N.C.A.A. rules

As regular readers know, I don’t have much faith in the N.C.A.A. It has congealed into a bureaucracy that cares only about enforcing its rules, no matter how silly or retrograde.

Anything less than [imposing the death penalty on PSU] will send another signal entirely. Namely, that in the eyes of the N.C.A.A., what happened at Penn State is no worse than what happened at Caltech.

So Joe wants an organization he was no faith in because it enforces its rules to restore his faith in that organization by going beyond its rules just to send a message that the NCAA understands that child molestation is worse than ineligible students playing in games.Tell us Joe, who do you know that doesn't understand that child molestation is worse than ineligible players?????????????

 

[ConstruxBoy]

This really has become a moral grandstanding issue for journalists and bloggers. I guess it's to be expected, but it's sort of sad.

 

[The Commish]

Anybody praising the NCAA for its decisionmaking should probably consider this CalTech thing.

So so dumb.

Jesus

It's scary that people can be this stupid.

Yeah...I want this organization involved in serious matters like child molestation Good God they are dumb.

So is Joe Nocera.This says it all:

Caltech turned itself in after a new athletic director realized that the practice of shopping for classes probably violated N.C.A.A. rules

As regular readers know, I don’t have much faith in the N.C.A.A. It has congealed into a bureaucracy that cares only about enforcing its rules, no matter how silly or retrograde.

Anything less than [imposing the death penalty on PSU] will send another signal entirely. Namely, that in the eyes of the N.C.A.A., what happened at Penn State is no worse than what happened at Caltech.

So Joe wants an organization he was no faith in because it enforces its rules to restore his faith in that organization by going beyond its rules just to send a message that the NCAA understands that child molestation is worse than ineligible students playing in games.Tell us Joe, who do you know that doesn't understand that child molestation is worse than ineligible players?????????????

Seriously! And I agree with you 100% ConstruxBoy. It's generally pathetic.

 

[hammerva]

This Pedobear definitely has some brass balls but I love it

http://deadspin.com/5927065/here-is-the-inevitable-photo-of-pedobear-posing-alongside-the-joe-paterno-statue

 

[belljr]

I couldn't believe my dad was still "siding with Paterno". I mean he thinks obviously Sandusky should be beaten to death but was lenient with JoePa and he isn't an alumni or anything. He's more worked up over the talking heads and media spouting off after the fact, how they always are "holier than thou", this was the right thing to do etc etc.

I told him normally I agree with you about the media etc but we're talking about child rape.

He still didn't budge.

 

[The Commish]

I couldn't believe my dad was still "siding with Paterno". I mean he thinks obviously Sandusky should be beaten to death but was lenient with JoePa and he isn't an alumni or anything. He's more worked up over the talking heads and media spouting off after the fact, how they always are "holier than thou", this was the right thing to do etc etc.I told him normally I agree with you about the media etc but we're talking about child rape.He still didn't budge.

Is your father over 75 years of age?

 

[belljr]

I couldn't believe my dad was still "siding with Paterno". I mean he thinks obviously Sandusky should be beaten to death but was lenient with JoePa and he isn't an alumni or anything. He's more worked up over the talking heads and media spouting off after the fact, how they always are "holier than thou", this was the right thing to do etc etc.I told him normally I agree with you about the media etc but we're talking about child rape.He still didn't budge.

Is your father over 75 years of age?

64 ..... his line was basically the man was protecting a 70 million dollar entity and in that position the talking heads can't say with certainty they would blow the whistle. I then said we're talking about raping a kid. He says something like "I understand and I would have killed Sandusky myself but for all these people to pile on JoePa like they would know exactly what to do is BS".... My pop is an "oldschool/blue collar" and I honestly don't think he knows about the full details of the Freeh report.I think he's still basing it off of the initial he "did enough" argument at the time.First time I have ever looked at my pop like WTF is wrong with you... Normally I may not agree with him but he at least makes some sense with his side

 

[The Commish]

I couldn't believe my dad was still "siding with Paterno". I mean he thinks obviously Sandusky should be beaten to death but was lenient with JoePa and he isn't an alumni or anything. He's more worked up over the talking heads and media spouting off after the fact, how they always are "holier than thou", this was the right thing to do etc etc.I told him normally I agree with you about the media etc but we're talking about child rape.He still didn't budge.

Is your father over 75 years of age?

64 ..... his line was basically the man was protecting a 70 million dollar entity and in that position the talking heads can't say with certainty they would blow the whistle. I then said we're talking about raping a kid. He says something like "I understand and I would have killed Sandusky myself but for all these people to pile on JoePa like they would know exactly what to do is BS".... My pop is an "oldschool/blue collar" and I honestly don't think he knows about the full details of the Freeh report.I think he's still basing it off of the initial he "did enough" argument at the time.First time I have ever looked at my pop like WTF is wrong with you... Normally I may not agree with him but he at least makes some sense with his side

I ask because my grandfather (mid 80s) has the same opinion. He's an old school, blue collar, navy guy. I see the point he's making. At the same time, it's child molestation. There really is only one correct answer.

 

[belljr]

I couldn't believe my dad was still "siding with Paterno". I mean he thinks obviously Sandusky should be beaten to death but was lenient with JoePa and he isn't an alumni or anything. He's more worked up over the talking heads and media spouting off after the fact, how they always are "holier than thou", this was the right thing to do etc etc.

I told him normally I agree with you about the media etc but we're talking about child rape.

He still didn't budge.

Is your father over 75 years of age?

64 ..... his line was basically the man was protecting a 70 million dollar entity and in that position the talking heads can't say with certainty they would blow the whistle. I then said we're talking about raping a kid. He says something like "I understand and I would have killed Sandusky myself but for all these people to pile on JoePa like they would know exactly what to do is BS".... My pop is an "oldschool/blue collar" and I honestly don't think he knows about the full details of the Freeh report.

I think he's still basing it off of the initial he "did enough" argument at the time.

First time I have ever looked at my pop like WTF is wrong with you... Normally I may not agree with him but he at least makes some sense with his side

I ask because my grandfather (mid 80s) has the same opinion. He's an old school, blue collar, navy guy. I see the point he's making. At the same time, it's child molestation. There really is only one correct answer.

Yep. I could even argue all about Joe didn't know the severity blah blah blah. May even "give him a pass" for 98 but after the McQueary one and the Freeh report - no way.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I couldn't believe my dad was still "siding with Paterno". I mean he thinks obviously Sandusky should be beaten to death but was lenient with JoePa and he isn't an alumni or anything. He's more worked up over the talking heads and media spouting off after the fact, how they always are "holier than thou", this was the right thing to do etc etc.I told him normally I agree with you about the media etc but we're talking about child rape.He still didn't budge.

Is your father over 75 years of age?

64 ..... his line was basically the man was protecting a 70 million dollar entity and in that position the talking heads can't say with certainty they would blow the whistle. I then said we're talking about raping a kid. He says something like "I understand and I would have killed Sandusky myself but for all these people to pile on JoePa like they would know exactly what to do is BS".... My pop is an "oldschool/blue collar" and I honestly don't think he knows about the full details of the Freeh report.I think he's still basing it off of the initial he "did enough" argument at the time.First time I have ever looked at my pop like WTF is wrong with you... Normally I may not agree with him but he at least makes some sense with his side

I ask because my grandfather (mid 80s) has the same opinion. He's an old school, blue collar, navy guy. I see the point he's making. At the same time, it's child molestation. There really is only one correct answer.

I honestly think people from a different time think differently of this crime. Sounds horribly stupid, but I think it's a combination of homosexuality not being as understood/discussed and the fact that children were really treated less "politically correctly" than they are today. Not an excuse at all, just an explanation. I would bet most of the people who are less "blaming" of Paterno in this were 60 or over. And really, that explains a bunch of people in Central PA. I'd personally pick somewhere like Chapel Hill, Austin or Athens myself if we're talking college towns for retirement. But I was always struck by how many of the "townies" in State College were older.

 

[tri-man 47]

Irony:

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) -- Amid calls for the removal of football coach Joe Paterno's statue from Penn State campus, some students have begun a vigil to protect it

 

[Raider Nation]

Are we all in agreement that other than Sandusky himself, McQueary is the biggest POS in this whole ordeal?

How does a "man" walk by that act in the showers and not leave Sandusky a bloody, unconscious mess?

 

[Sea Duck]

Are we all in agreement that other than Sandusky himself, McQueary is the biggest POS in this whole ordeal?How does a "man" walk by that act in the showers and not leave Sandusky a bloody, unconscious mess?

You're asking why an ordinary man failed to act like a hero?

 

[Raider Nation]

Are we all in agreement that other than Sandusky himself, McQueary is the biggest POS in this whole ordeal?

How does a "man" walk by that act in the showers and not leave Sandusky a bloody, unconscious mess?

You're asking why an ordinary man failed to act like a hero?

Doing what I suggested isn't heroic. It's expected.

 

[mad sweeney]

Are we all in agreement that other than Sandusky himself, McQueary is the biggest POS in this whole ordeal?

How does a "man" walk by that act in the showers and not leave Sandusky a bloody, unconscious mess?

You're asking why an ordinary man failed to act like a hero man?

It's a boy getting raped by an old man. You don't need to be a hero, just a human.I put McQ tied at 2 with Paterno, but the coward McQ is 2a.

 

[Sea Duck]

Are we all in agreement that other than Sandusky himself, McQueary is the biggest POS in this whole ordeal?

How does a "man" walk by that act in the showers and not leave Sandusky a bloody, unconscious mess?

You're asking why an ordinary man failed to act like a hero man?

It's a boy getting raped by an old man. You don't need to be a hero, just a human.

You really think that stopping crime is human nature? Because the Sandusky story tends to prove otherwise. There were at least a dozen people who could have stepped up to stop Sandusky, but none of them did. Each one of them acted like cowards in one way or another.People tend to avoid danger and conflict. That's human nature.

 

[mad sweeney]

Are we all in agreement that other than Sandusky himself, McQueary is the biggest POS in this whole ordeal?

How does a "man" walk by that act in the showers and not leave Sandusky a bloody, unconscious mess?

You're asking why an ordinary man failed to act like a hero man?

It's a boy getting raped by an old man. You don't need to be a hero, just a human.

You really think that stopping crime is human nature? Because the Sandusky story tends to prove otherwise. There were at least a dozen people who could have stepped up to stop Sandusky, but none of them did. Each one of them acted like cowards in one way or another.People tend to avoid danger and conflict. That's human nature.

Stopping all crime, no. Stopping some crimes, yes. Sandusky posed no danger to a 26 year old large athletic man. Protecting children is one of the natural human instincts. So is conflict, as the constant state of warfare that exists on the Earth since forever shows. The people involved in the cover up didn't see it, they didn't have the visceral fight or flight moment to spur them into action. They were dealing with it without having witnessed it, so at that point I can see that their basic instincts wouldn't be as engaged. But every single creature on Earth is ingrained with protection of their young as one of the most prime instincts they possess. If not THE prime instinct.

 

[apalmer]

Franco Harris: "There was no cover-up." My link

Yes, he does have a Penn State education.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Franco Harris: "There was no cover-up." My link

Yes, he does have a Penn State education.

Yeah, we all major in Hagiography.

 

[Sea Duck]

Protecting children is one of the natural human instincts.

The people involved in the cover up didn't see it, they didn't have the visceral fight or flight moment to spur them into action.

The janitors did. Sandusky's wife probably did, too. Maybe even the wrestling coach. None of them had the instinct to jump into action.Also, I don't think your use of the phrase "fight or flight" is applicable here. "Fight or flight response" describes an individual's response to threats. But McQueary wasn't being threatened. There was no reason for his fight-or-flight response to kick in.

Has there been any scientific research about the "fight or flight response" when applied to total strangers? And if so, has that research shown that people are more likely to choose "fight" over "flight"??

 

[tri-man 47]

Protecting children is one of the natural human instincts.

The people involved in the cover up didn't see it, they didn't have the visceral fight or flight moment to spur them into action.

The janitors did. Sandusky's wife probably did, too. Maybe even the wrestling coach. None of them had the instinct to jump into action.Also, I don't think your use of the phrase "fight or flight" is applicable here. "Fight or flight response" describes an individual's response to threats. But McQueary wasn't being threatened. There was no reason for his fight-or-flight response to kick in.

Has there been any scientific research about the "fight or flight response" when applied to total strangers? And if so, has that research shown that people are more likely to choose "fight" over "flight"??

McQueary was a big, burly former D I football player. I wouldn't expect timidity from a guy like that. Puzzling.

 

[mad sweeney]

Protecting children is one of the natural human instincts.

The people involved in the cover up didn't see it, they didn't have the visceral fight or flight moment to spur them into action.

The janitors did. Sandusky's wife probably did, too. Maybe even the wrestling coach. None of them had the instinct to jump into action.Also, I don't think your use of the phrase "fight or flight" is applicable here. "Fight or flight response" describes an individual's response to threats. But McQueary wasn't being threatened. There was no reason for his fight-or-flight response to kick in.

Has there been any scientific research about the "fight or flight response" when applied to total strangers? And if so, has that research shown that people are more likely to choose "fight" over "flight"??

I used fight or flight a little loosely. I just was looking for a way to express the difference between being there and being told about it. McQ was by far the most physically capable person to stop it and restrain Sandusky. Just because some people didn't do it doesn't make that indicative of human instinct. In the case of the janitor and the wife (dunno about the wrestling coach), their physical makeup would make them less likely to take action. A guy McQ's size and age shouldn't have any excuse for being a coward in that situation.

 

[menobrown]

I couldn't believe my dad was still "siding with Paterno". I mean he thinks obviously Sandusky should be beaten to death but was lenient with JoePa and he isn't an alumni or anything. He's more worked up over the talking heads and media spouting off after the fact, how they always are "holier than thou", this was the right thing to do etc etc.I told him normally I agree with you about the media etc but we're talking about child rape.He still didn't budge.

Is your father over 75 years of age?

64 ..... his line was basically the man was protecting a 70 million dollar entity and in that position the talking heads can't say with certainty they would blow the whistle. I then said we're talking about raping a kid. He says something like "I understand and I would have killed Sandusky myself but for all these people to pile on JoePa like they would know exactly what to do is BS".... My pop is an "oldschool/blue collar" and I honestly don't think he knows about the full details of the Freeh report.I think he's still basing it off of the initial he "did enough" argument at the time.First time I have ever looked at my pop like WTF is wrong with you... Normally I may not agree with him but he at least makes some sense with his side

I agree with both old men.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I'm sure that some will be satisfied to learn that PSU has their first decommit in Greg Webb, who committed to UNC today. A lot of jokes there given what is going on at UNC right now, but the official reason was that his family was moving down south.

 

[Ned]

Irony:

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) -- Amid calls for the removal of football coach Joe Paterno's statue from Penn State campus, some students have begun a vigil to protect it

Local Philly news just said construction equipment is being staged at the statue right now to bring it down.

 

[identikit]

Live feed for the de-statuing:

My link

 

[culdeus]

Live feed for the de-statuing:

My link

they need iraqis to come do this thing

 

[identikit]

Live feed for the de-statuing:

My link

they need iraqis to come do this thing

Better yet, some Nittany Lions.