**Jets at Bills**(-10, 46) 1:00 (1 Viewer)

[travdogg]

That was:

A. A stupid throw by Josh
B. A great play by Coleman to high point that ball
C. Not a personal foul on the Jets

Allen has a lot of those this year, that would have absolutely been INTs last season. That's just random variance, but I think its interesting, as I don't think Allen has played any better this season than he did in any of 2020-2023. Its why the MVP talk is kinda wild to me. Lamar is having a historic season, and Allen is the same guy he's been for 5 years. Should Allen have won in one of the 2020-2023 seasons? Probably, but this year, no.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

That was:

A. A stupid throw by Josh
B. A great play by Coleman to high point that ball
C. Not a personal foul on the Jets

Allen has a lot of those this year, that would have absolutely been INTs last season. That's just random variance, but I think its interesting, as I don't think Allen has played any better this season than he did in any of 2020-2023. Its why the MVP talk is kinda wild to me. Lamar is having a historic season, and Allen is the same guy he's been for 5 years. Should Allen have won in one of the 2020-2023 seasons? Probably, but this year, no.

Allen has been making passes like that his entire career, and they work out at something like a 10:1 margin. It was not, in any way, a stupid throw considering the QB and WR in question. (Edit: Also, you should look up how many INTs Allen has thrown inside the red zone. "Absolutely been INTs" lol.)

At some point, @GroveDiesel is going to be forced to acknowledge that Josh Allen is actually a pretty good QB. That probably won't happen until after his HOF induction ceremony, but still.

 

[Chemical X]

i don’t think the jets will pull this one out against the bills. like 2 different leagues.

 

[rockaction]

That was:

A. A stupid throw by Josh
B. A great play by Coleman to high point that ball
C. Not a personal foul on the Jets

Allen has a lot of those this year, that would have absolutely been INTs last season. That's just random variance, but I think its interesting, as I don't think Allen has played any better this season than he did in any of 2020-2023. Its why the MVP talk is kinda wild to me. Lamar is having a historic season, and Allen is the same guy he's been for 5 years. Should Allen have won in one of the 2020-2023 seasons? Probably, but this year, no.

What exactly can you point to and tell me Lamar is aces over Allen? Jackson has 3900 yards and Allen has like 3800. Jackson has thrown two fewer INTs and might have a touchdown more, but really? It's not that cut-and-dried.

 

[GroveDiesel]

That was:

A. A stupid throw by Josh
B. A great play by Coleman to high point that ball
C. Not a personal foul on the Jets

Allen has a lot of those this year, that would have absolutely been INTs last season. That's just random variance, but I think its interesting, as I don't think Allen has played any better this season than he did in any of 2020-2023. Its why the MVP talk is kinda wild to me. Lamar is having a historic season, and Allen is the same guy he's been for 5 years. Should Allen have won in one of the 2020-2023 seasons? Probably, but this year, no.

Allen has been making passes like that his entire career, and they work out at something like a 10:1 margin. It was not, in any way, a stupid throw considering the QB and WR in question.

At some point, @GroveDiesel is going to be forced to acknowledge that Josh Allen is actually a pretty good QB. That probably won't happen until after his HOF induction ceremony, but still.

I literally think he’s the best player in the league. Not only that, I think he should be entering top 10 QB of all time conversation soon.

 

[travdogg]

That was:

A. A stupid throw by Josh
B. A great play by Coleman to high point that ball
C. Not a personal foul on the Jets

Allen has a lot of those this year, that would have absolutely been INTs last season. That's just random variance, but I think its interesting, as I don't think Allen has played any better this season than he did in any of 2020-2023. Its why the MVP talk is kinda wild to me. Lamar is having a historic season, and Allen is the same guy he's been for 5 years. Should Allen have won in one of the 2020-2023 seasons? Probably, but this year, no.

What exactly can you point to and tell me Lamar is aces over Allen? Jackson has 3900 yards and Allen has like 3800. Jackson has thrown two fewer INTs and might have a touchdown more, but really? It's not that cut-and-dried.

Those are the closest categories, and they still favor Lamar. Lamar currently has the 2nd highest passer rating IN NFL HISTORY. That's historically good and isn't even factoring in his 852 (likely to be 900+) rushing yards.

I'm not saying Allen isn't playing great, but I can't see a single reason why he'd be MVP over Lamar. He's doing nothing better. I think Allen is a better player overall, but for this season, Lamar is on another level from everyone. This arguably might be the best season in NFL history by a QB that Lamar is having. He's basically been prime Aaron Rodgers as a passer, while still being Lamar as a runner.

ETA: Lamar is leading the league in both yards per attempt as a passer and as a runner. That shouldn't even be possible, but he's doing it.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

That was:

A. A stupid throw by Josh
B. A great play by Coleman to high point that ball
C. Not a personal foul on the Jets

Allen has a lot of those this year, that would have absolutely been INTs last season. That's just random variance, but I think its interesting, as I don't think Allen has played any better this season than he did in any of 2020-2023. Its why the MVP talk is kinda wild to me. Lamar is having a historic season, and Allen is the same guy he's been for 5 years. Should Allen have won in one of the 2020-2023 seasons? Probably, but this year, no.

Allen has been making passes like that his entire career, and they work out at something like a 10:1 margin. It was not, in any way, a stupid throw considering the QB and WR in question.

At some point, @GroveDiesel is going to be forced to acknowledge that Josh Allen is actually a pretty good QB. That probably won't happen until after his HOF induction ceremony, but still.

I literally think he’s the best player in the league. Not only that, I think he should be entering top 10 QB of all time conversation soon.

Then maybe try appreciating him. He's not going to be around for that long.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Allen: "I want a guy who can high-point the ball in contested catch situations."

Bills: "Cool, let's draft that guy."

Allen throws an intentionally high pass in the end zone to said receiver, who high-points it for a TD.

GroveDiesel: "A stupid throw by Josh."

 

[The Duff Man]

That was:

A. A stupid throw by Josh
B. A great play by Coleman to high point that ball
C. Not a personal foul on the Jets

Allen has a lot of those this year, that would have absolutely been INTs last season. That's just random variance, but I think its interesting, as I don't think Allen has played any better this season than he did in any of 2020-2023. Its why the MVP talk is kinda wild to me. Lamar is having a historic season, and Allen is the same guy he's been for 5 years. Should Allen have won in one of the 2020-2023 seasons? Probably, but this year, no.

What exactly can you point to and tell me Lamar is aces over Allen? Jackson has 3900 yards and Allen has like 3800. Jackson has thrown two fewer INTs and might have a touchdown more, but really? It's not that cut-and-dried.

Those are the closest categories, and they still favor Lamar. Lamar currently has the 2nd highest passer rating IN NFL HISTORY. That's historically good and isn't even factoring in his 852 (likely to be 900+) rushing yards.

I'm not saying Allen isn't playing great, but I can't see a single reason why he'd be MVP over Lamar. He's doing nothing better. I think Allen is a better player overall, but for this season, Lamar is on another level from everyone. This arguably might be the best season in NFL history by a QB that Lamar is having. He's basically been prime Aaron Rodgers as a passer, while still being Lamar as a runner.

ETA: Lamar is leading the league in both yards per attempt as a passer and as a runner. That shouldn't even be possible, but he's doing it.

In other news, adding a HOF running back to the roster of the reigning MVP allows that QB to get better stats.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'd like to see Allen get an MVP, but who really cares. Allen is the best player ever to wear a Bills uniform. He's arguably a better QB than Bruce Smith was a DE, and QB is a vastly more important position. He's going to be in the HOF. I don't care what sports journalists think. They're idiots. I just want a super bowl. That is the only thing that matters.

 

[Steve Tasker]

I'd like to see Allen get an MVP, but who really cares. Allen is the best player ever to wear a Bills uniform. He's arguably a better QB than Bruce Smith was a DE, and QB is a vastly more important position. He's going to be in the HOF. I don't care what sports journalists think. They're idiots. I just want a super bowl. That is the only thing that matters.

I agree 100% with this. And I'm pretty sure Allen would too. Win the Super Bowl, nothing else matters.

 

[Rubi]

I guess The jets got the wrong start time for the game today

 

[Chemical X]

I guess The jets got the wrong start time for the game today

jets radio station has a “turning point of the game” promo, call in tomorrow and give them the turning point, win a prize. this week’s turning point answer is: the national anthem.

 

[Rubi]

I guess The jets got the wrong start time for the game today

jets radio station has a “turning point of the game” promo, call in tomorrow and give them the turning point, win a prize. this week’s turning point answer is: the national anthem.

I might go with this week's turning point is.."boarding the plane to go to the game"

 

[Chemical X]

I guess The jets got the wrong start time for the game today

jets radio station has a “turning point of the game” promo, call in tomorrow and give them the turning point, win a prize. this week’s turning point answer is: the national anthem.

I might go with this week's turning point is.."boarding the plane to go to the game"

sonny werblin selling to leon hess?

 

[Rubi]

I guess The jets got the wrong start time for the game today

jets radio station has a “turning point of the game” promo, call in tomorrow and give them the turning point, win a prize. this week’s turning point answer is: the national anthem.

I might go with this week's turning point is.."boarding the plane to go to the game"

sonny werblin selling to leon hess?

Wow
How many people on this board even know who those guys are?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I guess The jets got the wrong start time for the game today

jets radio station has a “turning point of the game” promo, call in tomorrow and give them the turning point, win a prize. this week’s turning point answer is: the national anthem.

I might go with this week's turning point is.."boarding the plane to go to the game"

sonny werblin selling to leon hess?

Wow
How many people on this board even know who those guys are?

Leon Hess is the man who hired Rich Kotite. Can't forget that.

 

[Rubi]

I guess The jets got the wrong start time for the game today

jets radio station has a “turning point of the game” promo, call in tomorrow and give them the turning point, win a prize. this week’s turning point answer is: the national anthem.

I might go with this week's turning point is.."boarding the plane to go to the game"

sonny werblin selling to leon hess?

Wow
How many people on this board even know who those guys are?

Leon Hess is the man who hired Rich Kotite. Can't forget that.

Richie Kotite
Tight End New York Giants
And one of the most memorable coaches in NFL history
Ask any Jets fan