Jets caught videotaping signals in Foxboro (1 Viewer)

[parrot]

Belichik can be pissed all he wants. Truth is, the Pats* were the only team to be caught doing it AFTER the Commish sent official notice.

Though I think it's pretty meaningless, if you're going to continue to beat this drum I'll go ahead and point out the memo was sent in September of 2006.

And I'll point out that Goodell sent the memo out before the start of this season, when he was the commish. As I said before if Tagliabue let it slide, that was then. New Commish, new enforcement.

I think you're mistaken about Goodell sending another memo. Link?

He's not mistaken, Goodell sent a memo out the week before the season started which was well documented when Spygate occurred.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=trueAs I said, 11th stanza confirms a memo was resent/re-emphasized.

It says the NFL rule was reemphasized in a memo. That memo was sent Sept 6, 2006.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Belichik can be pissed all he wants. Truth is, the Pats* were the only team to be caught doing it AFTER the Commish sent official notice.

Though I think it's pretty meaningless, if you're going to continue to beat this drum I'll go ahead and point out the memo was sent in September of 2006.

And I'll point out that Goodell sent the memo out before the start of this season, when he was the commish. As I said before if Tagliabue let it slide, that was then. New Commish, new enforcement.

I think you're mistaken about Goodell sending another memo. Link?

He's not mistaken, Goodell sent a memo out the week before the season started which was well documented when Spygate occurred.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=trueAs I said, 11th stanza confirms a memo was resent/re-emphasized.

Nope, you're just reading it wrong.Read that stanza and the one preceeding it again.

The "re-emphasis" in the wording refers to the RULE in the stanza prior. Not the memo itself.

Read the whole thing together:

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations wrote: "Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Emphasis, mine. The Anderson memo, which re-emphasized the rule, was sent Sept 6th, 2006.

Where does it say 2006? Usually any writer worth there salt would reference the year if it was not from that current one. (in a memo sent Sept. 6, 2006) if they dont reference the year, it means that it is from the the current time.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Belichik can be pissed all he wants. Truth is, the Pats* were the only team to be caught doing it AFTER the Commish sent official notice.

Though I think it's pretty meaningless, if you're going to continue to beat this drum I'll go ahead and point out the memo was sent in September of 2006.

And I'll point out that Goodell sent the memo out before the start of this season, when he was the commish. As I said before if Tagliabue let it slide, that was then. New Commish, new enforcement.

I think you're mistaken about Goodell sending another memo. Link?

He's not mistaken, Goodell sent a memo out the week before the season started which was well documented when Spygate occurred.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=trueAs I said, 11th stanza confirms a memo was resent/re-emphasized.

Nope, you're just reading it wrong.Read that stanza and the one preceeding it again.

The "re-emphasis" in the wording refers to the RULE in the stanza prior. Not the memo itself.

Read the whole thing together:

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations wrote: "Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Emphasis, mine. The Anderson memo, which re-emphasized the rule, was sent Sept 6th, 2006.

Where does it say 2006? Usually any writer worth there salt would reference the year if it was not from that current one. (in a memo sent Sept. 6, 2006) if they dont reference the year, it means that it is from the the current time.

this article says its 2006: http://www.emqb.com/maybe-bill-belichick-missed-the-memo/

 

[Workhorse]

Belichik can be pissed all he wants. Truth is, the Pats* were the only team to be caught doing it AFTER the Commish sent official notice.

Though I think it's pretty meaningless, if you're going to continue to beat this drum I'll go ahead and point out the memo was sent in September of 2006.

And I'll point out that Goodell sent the memo out before the start of this season, when he was the commish. As I said before if Tagliabue let it slide, that was then. New Commish, new enforcement.

I think you're mistaken about Goodell sending another memo. Link?

He's not mistaken, Goodell sent a memo out the week before the season started which was well documented when Spygate occurred.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=trueAs I said, 11th stanza confirms a memo was resent/re-emphasized.

Nope, you're just reading it wrong.Read that stanza and the one preceeding it again.

The "re-emphasis" in the wording refers to the RULE in the stanza prior. Not the memo itself.

Read the whole thing together:

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations wrote: "Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Emphasis, mine. The Anderson memo, which re-emphasized the rule, was sent Sept 6th, 2006.

Where does it say 2006? Usually any writer worth there salt would reference the year if it was not from that current one. (in a memo sent Sept. 6, 2006) if they dont reference the year, it means that it is from the the current time.

Then the writer was being sloppy. The memo was issued in 2006.http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...taping_rul.html

 

[scapegoat]

Belichik can be pissed all he wants. Truth is, the Pats* were the only team to be caught doing it AFTER the Commish sent official notice.

Though I think it's pretty meaningless, if you're going to continue to beat this drum I'll go ahead and point out the memo was sent in September of 2006.

And I'll point out that Goodell sent the memo out before the start of this season, when he was the commish. As I said before if Tagliabue let it slide, that was then. New Commish, new enforcement.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Belichik can be pissed all he wants. Truth is, the Pats* were the only team to be caught doing it AFTER the Commish sent official notice.

Though I think it's pretty meaningless, if you're going to continue to beat this drum I'll go ahead and point out the memo was sent in September of 2006.

And I'll point out that Goodell sent the memo out before the start of this season, when he was the commish. As I said before if Tagliabue let it slide, that was then. New Commish, new enforcement.

I think you're mistaken about Goodell sending another memo. Link?

He's not mistaken, Goodell sent a memo out the week before the season started which was well documented when Spygate occurred.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=trueAs I said, 11th stanza confirms a memo was resent/re-emphasized.

Nope, you're just reading it wrong.Read that stanza and the one preceeding it again.

The "re-emphasis" in the wording refers to the RULE in the stanza prior. Not the memo itself.

Read the whole thing together:

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations wrote: "Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Emphasis, mine. The Anderson memo, which re-emphasized the rule, was sent Sept 6th, 2006.

Where does it say 2006? Usually any writer worth there salt would reference the year if it was not from that current one. (in a memo sent Sept. 6, 2006) if they dont reference the year, it means that it is from the the current time.

Then the writer was being sloppy. The memo was issued in 2006.http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...taping_rul.html

Get me a non-biased link please, preferably one from the NFL itself. Any homer based media I dont trust. Might as well just ask Bob Ryan or Bill Simmons what they think of it.

 

[Road Warriors]

Belichik can be pissed all he wants. Truth is, the Pats* were the only team to be caught doing it AFTER the Commish sent official notice.

Though I think it's pretty meaningless, if you're going to continue to beat this drum I'll go ahead and point out the memo was sent in September of 2006.

And I'll point out that Goodell sent the memo out before the start of this season, when he was the commish. As I said before if Tagliabue let it slide, that was then. New Commish, new enforcement.

I think you're mistaken about Goodell sending another memo. Link?

He's not mistaken, Goodell sent a memo out the week before the season started which was well documented when Spygate occurred.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=trueAs I said, 11th stanza confirms a memo was resent/re-emphasized.

Nope, you're just reading it wrong.Read that stanza and the one preceeding it again.

The "re-emphasis" in the wording refers to the RULE in the stanza prior. Not the memo itself.

Read the whole thing together:

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

That was re-emphasized in a memo sent Sept. 6 to NFL head coaches and general managers. In it, Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations wrote: "Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

Emphasis, mine. The Anderson memo, which re-emphasized the rule, was sent Sept 6th, 2006.

Where does it say 2006? Usually any writer worth there salt would reference the year if it was not from that current one. (in a memo sent Sept. 6, 2006) if they dont reference the year, it means that it is from the the current time.

As I recall the story, the League office sent a memo this year re-emphasizing the video-taping rule to all 32 teams. Basically, the NFL told everyone to "knock it off" In large part, it was that memo that had the league come down so hard on the Pats. "We told you not to do it, and you still did it?!?"

 

[scapegoat]

is it surprising to anyone that the people who are throwing out excuses for the Jets videotaping are the same people who were crying the loudest for Belechick's head when the Pats were caught taping?



this is a riot. Keep it up fellas. :thumup:

 

[parrot]

Also Goodell was Commissioner last year.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

is it surprising to anyone that the people who are throwing out excuses for the Jets videotaping are the same people who were crying the loudest for Belechick's head when the Pats were caught taping?



this is a riot. Keep it up fellas. :thumup:

NFL teams continue to be abuzz about the cheating scandal that has engulfed Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots.And that was before the stiff penalties that were handed down by the NFL Thursday night to Belichick and the Patriots for violating league policy on the use of equipment to videotape an opposing team's offensive or defensive signals.

To prevent other cases of it, the league’s football operations department emailed a memo to all 32 teams Thursday, reminding them of various do’s and don’ts, including the rule that videotaping opposing coaches is banned.

And now that the league has determined that the Patriots violated the rules, some around the league are recalling events from last spring’s owners meetings, when teams voted on whether to put electronic communication devices in the helmets of defensive captains.

Under the plan that would eliminate the need for hand signals, coaches could electronically call in defensive signals to their captains. However, the plan was voted down 22-10, falling two votes short of the 24 needed to adopt the measure.

One of the 10 “no” votes came from the Patriots.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=D...mp;confirm=true

Keep it up Pats*

 

[scapegoat]

Get me a non-biased link please, preferably one from the NFL itself. Any homer based media I dont trust. Might as well just ask Bob Ryan or Bill Simmons what they think of it.

It has been quoted from numerous sources several times in this thread already.... get your head out of the sand. You're clearly a Jets fan... does it not bother you that your team was in violation of league rules and were caught violating the same offense as the patriots? REGARDLESS if it was after 1 warning memo or 2... the FACT is they were cheating and were caught. Explaining it away only makes you look bad...seriously.

 

[scapegoat]

Also Goodell was Commissioner last year.

So videotaping wasn't cheating under Goodell? I'm not even talking about enforcement... was it against the RULES? Yes or No?

 

[Workhorse]

Get me a non-biased link please, preferably one from the NFL itself. Any homer based media I dont trust. Might as well just ask Bob Ryan or Bill Simmons what they think of it.

Sigh.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...oia-cover_N.htm

In a memo sent Sept. 6, 2006, NFL vice president Ray Anderson emphasized to coaches that videotaping opponents' signals from anywhere in the stadium was prohibited.

The AP piece that is cited most of the time is sloppy. The memo came out in 2006. Period.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Get me a non-biased link please, preferably one from the NFL itself. Any homer based media I dont trust. Might as well just ask Bob Ryan or Bill Simmons what they think of it.

It has been quoted from numerous sources several times in this thread already.... get your head out of the sand. You're clearly a Jets fan... does it not bother you that your team was in violation of league rules and were caught violating the same offense as the patriots? REGARDLESS if it was after 1 warning memo or 2... the FACT is they were cheating and were caught. Explaining it away only makes you look bad...seriously.

What bothers me is so far what we know is :1: The Patriots gave NY permission to videotape.2. They then ask them to stop, which they did.3. It was never filed with the NFL for violations until now.4. There has been no response from the commissioner, only the Pats* network. (ESPN)5. This all comes out before the game this week.If they were in violation and the commish agrees, as I said before then penalize them, take a draft pick...fine them $$$.But stop trying to find excuses for something that you were caught doing, and still trying to finger point 1 year after it happened, and 14 weeks after you were caught.I'll let the NFL handle the punishment, and so far since there is nothing being reviewed, its nothing more than just another example of "lil' brother" Boston trying to get the attention of "big brother" NY.Being 13-0* isnt good enough for you to just focus on your team and its success, as opposed to the Jets suck-cess?When Goodell gets involved , I'll give it merit...until then....the New England Patriots* are the only team convicted of wrongdoing, the rest is mere media fodder.(and to clarify, the Jets cameraman left after being asked to. the Pats* guy was still filming from the tunnel after asked to leave by the Packers security. Talk abouth thickheaded)

 

[Road Warriors]

...

What bothers me is so far what we know is :

1: The Patriots gave NY permission to videotape.

2. They then ask them to stop, which they did.

3. It was never filed with the NFL for violations until now.

4. There has been no response from the commissioner, only the Pats* network. (ESPN)

5. This all comes out before the game this week.

If they were in violation and the commish agrees, as I said before then penalize them, take a draft pick...fine them $$$.

But stop trying to find excuses for something that you were caught doing, and still trying to finger point 1 year after it happened, and 14 weeks after you were caught.

I'll let the NFL handle the punishment, and so far since there is nothing being reviewed, its nothing more than just another example of "lil' brother" Boston trying to get the attention of "big brother" NY.

Being 13-0* isnt good enough for you to just focus on your team and its success, as opposed to the Jets suck-cess?

When Goodell gets involved , I'll give it merit...until then....the New England Patriots* are the only team convicted of wrongdoing, the rest is mere media fodder.

(and to clarify, the Jets cameraman left after being asked to. the Pats* guy was still filming from the tunnel after asked to leave by the Packers security. Talk abouth thickheaded)

Unless I've missed something in all this, your point 3 is wrong. It still hasn't been brought before the league, and it isn't going to be. This is a media issue, and one that will sell papers and not much more. The first link I saw was from the NYDailyNews.com It doesn't appear to be a NE media item. There really is nothing to see here, but they way everyone dismisses it because the league wasn't brought in is what has driven this thread for 5 pages now. Based on what I've seen, it seems likely that the Jets did something "out of bounds", and were asked to stop ( which is how, anecdotally, these types of issues had been handled in the past ).

 

[parrot]

One of the 10 “no” votes came from the Patriots.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=D...mp;confirm=true

Keep it up Pats*

You realize that's like one third of the league voting against it, right?Who were the other nine "no" votes from?

 

[Breesisdaman]

Big difference in "reportedly" and caught red handed IMO. Need something more substancial than hearsay.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

...

What bothers me is so far what we know is :

1: The Patriots gave NY permission to videotape.

2. They then ask them to stop, which they did.

3. It was never filed with the NFL for violations until now.

4. There has been no response from the commissioner, only the Pats* network. (ESPN)

5. This all comes out before the game this week.

If they were in violation and the commish agrees, as I said before then penalize them, take a draft pick...fine them $$$.

But stop trying to find excuses for something that you were caught doing, and still trying to finger point 1 year after it happened, and 14 weeks after you were caught.

I'll let the NFL handle the punishment, and so far since there is nothing being reviewed, its nothing more than just another example of "lil' brother" Boston trying to get the attention of "big brother" NY.

Being 13-0* isnt good enough for you to just focus on your team and its success, as opposed to the Jets suck-cess?

When Goodell gets involved , I'll give it merit...until then....the New England Patriots* are the only team convicted of wrongdoing, the rest is mere media fodder.

(and to clarify, the Jets cameraman left after being asked to. the Pats* guy was still filming from the tunnel after asked to leave by the Packers security. Talk abouth thickheaded)

Unless I've missed something in all this, your point 3 is wrong. It still hasn't been brought before the league, and it isn't going to be. This is a media issue, and one that will sell papers and not much more. The first link I saw was from the NYDailyNews.com It doesn't appear to be a NE media item. There really is nothing to see here, but they way everyone dismisses it because the league wasn't brought in is what has driven this thread for 5 pages now. Based on what I've seen, it seems likely that the Jets did something "out of bounds", and were asked to stop ( which is how, anecdotally, these types of issues had been handled in the past ).

I stand corrected, and you prove my point in doing so.This is a non-issue with the league...only the Pats* fans who still wish to point fingers and attempt to redirect the fact they were caught doing an illegal action under league rules. And confirmed by the commish and his penalty.

Now back to pressing matters......

 

[Wrigley]

Once wasn't enough

gets good about half way down.

I still say this latest episode is more spin, due to the timing, than anything else.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

We can now put it to rest:

The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.

The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.

Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Interesting that this is being ignored... the Pats were caught and this place lit up like a christmas tree. Word comes out that the Jets were caught doing the same exact thing and it's being ignored by the shark pool. I'm curious how this affects people's opinions of the Jets. Clearly they're "Cheaters" now as well, no?

As per the NFL....its a solid NO!

 

[encaitar]

Interesting that this is being ignored... the Pats were caught and this place lit up like a christmas tree. Word comes out that the Jets were caught doing the same exact thing and it's being ignored by the shark pool. I'm curious how this affects people's opinions of the Jets. Clearly they're "Cheaters" now as well, no?

As per the NFL....its a solid NO!

Don't think you'll see them back here again, now that their points were proved invalidated. And they call non-Patriot fans tools.

 

[General Tso]

It sounds like the Jets asked the Pats to tape their end zone and they said yes initially but then changed their minds and refused them. That's aqctually different than what the Pats did so I stand corrected.

I'd be surprised if the Jets ask for this type ofconsideration in th efuture.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Amazing this thing is still going at full speed. Just unreal. I second the other poster that suggested an All Pats forum. Put all Pats threads, for or against, there. Then maybe the shark pool can get back to discussing games that matter.

 

[sho nuff]

is it surprising to anyone that the people who are throwing out excuses for the Jets videotaping are the same people who were crying the loudest for Belechick's head when the Pats were caught taping? this is a riot. Keep it up fellas. :thumup:

It is a riot...that you are equating an alleged action...with the actions of the Pats who actually have been completely busted.Nobody is making excuses for the Jets.People are simply working with the facts as we have them.At this point...the facts only show that the Jets taped from a location...nothing about what they were taping...nor if it was actually "cheating" or against any rules.But you keep trying...

 

[sho nuff]

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

Then why is the NFL doing nothing about this...or the supposed numerous other times that the Jets and other teams have requested taping and have done this?Oh wait...because you really don't have a thing? Thats what I thought.

Quit your crying...you and all other Pats fans. Your team got busted...but the Jets and the NFL...plain and simple.

They cheated...they were caught...they were punished.

Nothing any other team does will diminish that.

If the pats gave them permission why did they remove them. Mangini answered that with a shrug. Good answer coach.

It was a good answer...are you saying the possibility does not exist that everything was done legally and the Pats decided not to let them after a certain point?

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jet...0,2673323.story

According to league sources familiar with the situation, the Jets were caught using a videotaping device during a game in Foxborough last season that resulted in the removal of a Jets employee. After Gillette Stadium officials saw him using the recorder early in the game, he was told to stop and leave the area. He had been filming from the mezzanine level between the scoreboard and a decorative lighthouse in an end zone. The camera was not confiscated by the Patriots or stadium security.

That is not an eclosed area so that would be in violation of the rules.

Way to deflect and avoid even addressing my point.Shocker that you would do such things given your posts in this thread.

What are you talking about? My point is that if they were taping on the mezanine level of Gilette Staduim: It was not Legal. It does'nt matter if the patriots gave them permission. It is against the rules. And the Pats have never said they gave him permission to be there anyways.

My point is simple...you have no clue what the actual words are and who gave them permission.Link to the NFL saying the Jets broke any rules?

 

[sho nuff]

So here's the summary if you missed it:1. Somebody with the Pats leaks the story to the NY media this week, even though it happened last year and was never mentioned before2. NY media runs with the story3. Jets point out that they had permission.4. Nobody from New England denies that5. Fans and media everywhere jump on the story anyways, whipping up even more hype for the game.

Pretty much...and anyone who claims we don't know all the facts and its not yet factual to say the Jets cheated are just haters making excuses.

 

[sho nuff]

Get me a non-biased link please, preferably one from the NFL itself. Any homer based media I dont trust. Might as well just ask Bob Ryan or Bill Simmons what they think of it.

It has been quoted from numerous sources several times in this thread already.... get your head out of the sand. You're clearly a Jets fan... does it not bother you that your team was in violation of league rules and were caught violating the same offense as the patriots? REGARDLESS if it was after 1 warning memo or 2... the FACT is they were cheating and were caught. Explaining it away only makes you look bad...seriously.

Link to them violating league rules?The only one who looks bad is your continued attempts to smear without knowing all of the facts.The fact is...you have no proof they were cheating...the Pats, on the other hand...were busted cheating...and punished for it.

 

[AB in DC]

"We taped the game, is what we taped, and we taped end-zone copy of the game, and we tape a double end zone, which is standard operating procedure for us," Mangini said Wednesday. "We request that every single road game, and it's usually granted if physically it's possible. And when people request it from us, we do the same thing: We grant it."

Translation: "Earlier this week, I spoke with Commissioner Goodell about a videotaping procedure during last year's game and my interpretation of the rules. At this point, we have not been notified of the league's ruling."

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

We can now put it to rest:The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

Oh well. It was fun watching Jets fans squeal in this thread, to see the asterisk apologists quick to point out that the Jets didn't do anything wrong this year (after the all-important double secret probation commissioners office guidance memo), and to see several posters acknowledge in this and the "asterisk" thread that the asterisk issue is mostly about tweaking up Patriots fans (a degree of candor decidedly missing from prior debate here). I marvelled at the degree to which several posters emphasized the importance of the guidance memo in establishing who is deserving of the asterisk (which is in effect a tacit admission that everybody knows that there was widespread and tolerated nonconformance with videotaping rules, and therefore the asterisk only comes into play if there was a Week 1 2007 transgression). Again, said posts came from the pro-patriots-asterisk camp, not from the "cheater apologist" camp.By the way, the links that you and Wrigley pointed to inferring that the league is "abuzz" with the patriots Week 1 2007 transgression are 3 months old. Understandable, given the desire to deflect before the NFL issued the clarification above that you quickly posted.You can exhale now. Perhaps with a little more empathy for those who see their team unfairly under attack. Good luck on Sunday.

 

[DropKick]

Let it go buddy.

So New England gets caught and the Shark Pool explodes. The Jets get caught and it should be brushed under the rug? I'm just curious why that's the case?

Because the Commissioner did not warn the league about it last season?

So how widespread was the videotaping practice if the entire league was notified?One team? A couple? Several? A dozen? Half? Most? All?

 

[ChromeWeasel]

We can now put it to rest:

The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.

The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.

Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

I laughed out load at the bolded part.If you think you didnt makea fool out of yourself for that statement, LOL again. Either you're unbelievably naive or simply ignorant. Either way its funny.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

We can now put it to rest:

The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.

The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.

Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

I laughed out load at the bolded part.If you think you didnt makea fool out of yourself for that statement, LOL again. Either you're unbelievably naive or simply ignorant. Either way its funny.

You show me a statement that says the Jets violated league rules and I'll concede your so called "point". But there has been no other team penalized besides the Pats* for such violations infractions.Again:spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

Go back to whining about something else please.

Signed,

New York Jets fan

ETA: to the O.P. the leagues integrity has not been tarnished by the Jets. But both Belichik and Rodney Harrison have done a stand up job this year doing so, as well as some other teams. But I leave that for another thread that will soon emerge I am sure.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

We can now put it to rest:

The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.

The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.

Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

I laughed out load at the bolded part.If you think you didnt makea fool out of yourself for that statement, LOL again. Either you're unbelievably naive or simply ignorant. Either way its funny.

LOL, I guess no team has been fined this year for rules violations.#######g hilarious. You're so stuck on the Jets you'd make a ridiculous statement like that and not see how naive it makes you look.

Priceless.

You show me a statement that says the Jets violated league rules and I'll concede your so called "point". But there has been no other team penalized besides the Pats* for such violations infractions.

Again:spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

Go back to whining about something else please.

Signed,

New York Jets fan

ETA: to the O.P. the leagues integrity has not been tarnished by the Jets. But both Belichik and Rodney Harrison have done a stand up job this year doing so, as well as some other teams. But I leave that for another thread that will soon emerge I am sure.

LOL, I guess no team has been fined this year for rules violations.You're so single-minded on the Jets that you miss how naive your actual statement was. Totally priceless.

 

[phthalatemagic]

We can now put it to rest:The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

We can now put it to rest:

The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.

The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.

Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

I laughed out load at the bolded part.If you think you didnt makea fool out of yourself for that statement, LOL again. Either you're unbelievably naive or simply ignorant. Either way its funny.

LOL, I guess no team has been fined this year for rules violations.#######g hilarious. You're so stuck on the Jets you'd make a ridiculous statement like that and not see how naive it makes you look.

Priceless.

You show me a statement that says the Jets violated league rules and I'll concede your so called "point". But there has been no other team penalized besides the Pats* for such violations infractions.

Again:spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

Go back to whining about something else please.

Signed,

New York Jets fan

ETA: to the O.P. the leagues integrity has not been tarnished by the Jets. But both Belichik and Rodney Harrison have done a stand up job this year doing so, as well as some other teams. But I leave that for another thread that will soon emerge I am sure.

LOL, I guess no team has been fined this year for rules violations.You're so single-minded on the Jets that you miss how naive your actual statement was. Totally priceless.

Ok, I guess I should say "video taping violations", but since thats what this thread was about..I assumed it was implied. I forgot that some of you Pats* fans cant distinguish one argument from the other.Sorry!

Signed,

Someone who can separate different violations.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

We can now put it to rest:

The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.

The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.

Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

I laughed out load at the bolded part.If you think you didnt makea fool out of yourself for that statement, LOL again. Either you're unbelievably naive or simply ignorant. Either way its funny.

LOL, I guess no team has been fined this year for rules violations.#######g hilarious. You're so stuck on the Jets you'd make a ridiculous statement like that and not see how naive it makes you look.

Priceless.

You show me a statement that says the Jets violated league rules and I'll concede your so called "point". But there has been no other team penalized besides the Pats* for such violations infractions.

Again:spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."

Go back to whining about something else please.

Signed,

New York Jets fan

ETA: to the O.P. the leagues integrity has not been tarnished by the Jets. But both Belichik and Rodney Harrison have done a stand up job this year doing so, as well as some other teams. But I leave that for another thread that will soon emerge I am sure.

LOL, I guess no team has been fined this year for rules violations.You're so single-minded on the Jets that you miss how naive your actual statement was. Totally priceless.

If you'd read my final comment, I acknowledge other teams violating other league rules. But as of 7:55 Pacific Time on 12/12/2007, the Pats* are the only team who have been found guilty of Video Taping regulations. Have a nice post season. We wont.

 

[Bill Lust]

Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.

The Jets wouldn't have gotten an * anyway, because to get one you have to, you know, have won something.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Pretty much...and anyone who claims we don't know all the facts and its not yet factual to say the Jets cheated are just haters making excuses.

Mods, any chance we could ban the use of this word for a week? It would be heaven to not have to read what has become the most over-used word on this forum (though "whiny tools" is a very close second).

 

[sho nuff]

Pretty much...and anyone who claims we don't know all the facts and its not yet factual to say the Jets cheated are just haters making excuses.

Mods, any chance we could ban the use of this word for a week? It would be heaven to not have to read what has become the most over-used word on this forum (though "whiny tools" is a very close second).

Agreed.

 

[sho nuff]

We can now put it to rest:The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

Where did you get that quote from?Just have not read it yet and would like to read the entire thing on it.Also...scapegoat...paging scapegoat...

 

[sho nuff]

We can now put it to rest:The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

Oh well. It was fun watching Jets fans squeal in this thread, to see the asterisk apologists quick to point out that the Jets didn't do anything wrong this year (after the all-important double secret probation commissioners office guidance memo), and to see several posters acknowledge in this and the "asterisk" thread that the asterisk issue is mostly about tweaking up Patriots fans (a degree of candor decidedly missing from prior debate here). I marvelled at the degree to which several posters emphasized the importance of the guidance memo in establishing who is deserving of the asterisk (which is in effect a tacit admission that everybody knows that there was widespread and tolerated nonconformance with videotaping rules, and therefore the asterisk only comes into play if there was a Week 1 2007 transgression). Again, said posts came from the pro-patriots-asterisk camp, not from the "cheater apologist" camp.By the way, the links that you and Wrigley pointed to inferring that the league is "abuzz" with the patriots Week 1 2007 transgression are 3 months old. Understandable, given the desire to deflect before the NFL issued the clarification above that you quickly posted.You can exhale now. Perhaps with a little more empathy for those who see their team unfairly under attack. Good luck on Sunday.

You mean watching Pats fans squeal and try to defend their own action by claiming other teams do it and that the Jets are cheaters?

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Pretty much...and anyone who claims we don't know all the facts and its not yet factual to say the Jets cheated are just haters making excuses.

Mods, any chance we could ban the use of this word for a week? It would be heaven to not have to read what has become the most over-used word on this forum (though "whiny tools" is a very close second).

Did you use to whine to the teachers when you were in grade school?

 

[Shrek]

Get me a non-biased link please, preferably one from the NFL itself. Any homer based media I dont trust. Might as well just ask Bob Ryan or Bill Simmons what they think of it.

It has been quoted from numerous sources several times in this thread already.... get your head out of the sand. You're clearly a Jets fan... does it not bother you that your team was in violation of league rules and were caught violating the same offense as the patriots? REGARDLESS if it was after 1 warning memo or 2... the FACT is they were cheating and were caught.

Explaining it away only makes you look bad...seriously.

Actually it is NOT a fact. The reports I am hearing are saying that the Jets did not break the rules and had asked permission from the Patriots, and were granted that permission. The Patriots themselves are not confirming or denying that. I wonder why? If the Patriots had the goods on the Jets, they would turn it over to the NFL and let them get docked draft picks and/or fines as well. And please spare us the "They're going to get their revenge on the field, not from the Commissioner" crap. Everyone knows that if Hobo could stick it to the Jets, he would. But he can't, so this story is mysteriously leaked at a highly coincidental time.

But your point is truly asinine. Of course it would bother any fan that their team was caught cheating. As of yet, however, there is only conjecture and hearsay about what the Jets allegedly did wrong. The real reason that the Pats fans are whining so loudly about this now is because they got hammered for it earlier this year, and once again, they will embrace anything that will take away attention from the fact that they were caught cheating. To show mock outrage about it for any other reason is BS. Even if you don't know it, everyone else in the sane world does.

So why don't we go back then, find every single instance where any team was supposedly doing this (proof is not necessary, anonymous "league sources close to the situation" or unfounded rumors are perfectly acceptable), and dock each accused team draft picks and fines for each instance. I'd be cool with that. Something tells me that New England would come out on the short end of that deal as well, sicne so many teams have come forward since Spygate happened to say that New England was doing the same things to them.

I'll be the first to go on record as saying this, though. If the Jets or any other NFL team is proven to have been cheating (read, breaking written NFL rules), I am all for them being punished. Until the Commissioner's office comes down with a ruling, though, this entire story is a lot of hot air.

The Pats are likely going to beat the Jets soundly this Sunday. So stop the screeching and moaning, Pats fans. You should be enjoying your season*.

ETA: Just read the article with Greg Aiello's comments. All I can add is to scapegoat's post. Seriously, seriously

 

[TxBuckeye]

Pretty much...and anyone who claims we don't know all the facts and its not yet factual to say the Jets cheated are just haters making excuses.

Mods, any chance we could ban the use of this word for a week? It would be heaven to not have to read what has become the most over-used word on this forum (though "whiny tools" is a very close second).

Did you use to whine to the teachers when you were in grade school?

Stay classy Pat's fans...

 

[parrot]

I enjoy people who post in a thread complaining about how people keep posting in the thread.

And it's even better if they continue to post.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I enjoy people who post in a thread complaining about how people keep posting in the thread. And it's even better if they continue to post.

I enjoy people who post about people responding to posts! It's postatstic!!!

 

[greenline]

This reminds me a little of when NE filed a request to the NFL to have extra security to protect their employees from being attacked by Bill Polian. I think it was just to stir up a little cloud of dust for the week. Give Eric some more stuff to deal with. It's not really going anywhere and it would never be considered equal to NE's violation but it was sort of something that put a little smirk on my face.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

We can now put it to rest:The NFL issued a statement Wednesday regarding the Jets' use of a second end-zone video camera during a game last year.The Jets didn't break any rules. "It is not uncommon for visiting team video crews to request permission to shoot coaching video from both upper end zone positions," spokesman Greg Aiello said. "There are no restrictions on shooting from both upper end zone positions as long as the opportunity is provided to both teams. No permission is needed from the league office."Sorry Pats*, you are still the only team guilty of violating league rules. And the only team who gets the * for now.Now just focus on kicking our ### on the field.

Oh well. It was fun watching Jets fans squeal in this thread, to see the asterisk apologists quick to point out that the Jets didn't do anything wrong this year (after the all-important double secret probation commissioners office guidance memo), and to see several posters acknowledge in this and the "asterisk" thread that the asterisk issue is mostly about tweaking up Patriots fans (a degree of candor decidedly missing from prior debate here). I marvelled at the degree to which several posters emphasized the importance of the guidance memo in establishing who is deserving of the asterisk (which is in effect a tacit admission that everybody knows that there was widespread and tolerated nonconformance with videotaping rules, and therefore the asterisk only comes into play if there was a Week 1 2007 transgression). Again, said posts came from the pro-patriots-asterisk camp, not from the "cheater apologist" camp.By the way, the links that you and Wrigley pointed to inferring that the league is "abuzz" with the patriots Week 1 2007 transgression are 3 months old. Understandable, given the desire to deflect before the NFL issued the clarification above that you quickly posted.You can exhale now. Perhaps with a little more empathy for those who see their team unfairly under attack. Good luck on Sunday.

You mean watching Pats fans squeal and try to defend their own action by claiming other teams do it and that the Jets are cheaters?

?!? Sorry, I'm not getting your point? What did I say that caused you to write "You mean ..."?

 

[thehornet]

Pretty much...and anyone who claims we don't know all the facts and its not yet factual to say the Jets cheated are just haters making excuses.

Mods, any chance we could ban the use of this word for a week? It would be heaven to not have to read what has become the most over-used word on this forum (though "whiny tools" is a very close second).

Did you use to whine to the teachers when you were in grade school?

Stay classy Pat's fans...

jets cheated. deal with it. pats fans have nothing to di with it.