Jets vs Pats tonight-exploit/avoid (1 Viewer)

[EHRMAHGERD]

as is Josh Boyce

 

[SameSongNDance]

How do you guys think the NYJ backfield will shake out? You can run on NE. Powell saw 63% of the snaps last week and was utlized 17 times. Hes also the defacto 3rd down RB/pass catcher.

according to what?

Exactly. When was the last time you could really run on NE?

You gotta love how people just make up stats to prove their point.

The Patriots ranked 9th last season with 101.9ypg allowed on the ground and were tied for 6th last season with 10 TDs allowed. Tied for 5th in YPC allowed at 3.9ypc. They were also tied for first on big plays... they only allowed 5 plays of 20 or more yards and allowed 0 of 40 or more yards.

So yes please, since when have you been able to run on the Patriots? They're actually one of the worst RB matchups in the league... very quietly but it still holds true quiet or not.

It's nice to see you step out of the David Wilson thread and bring your never ending argumentative disposition here. Relax.

I didn't make up any stats nor did I present any. Regardless, I'm referring to what I've seen so far this year. Preseason needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt but they looked rather porous there. Last week, they gave up the 6th most rushing yards to RBs; old man Jackson didn't seem to have much trouble averaging 5.2 yards a clip. From what I've seen so far THIS year, I believe they can be run on.

Also, I'm not saying to start either Powell or Ivory as they're both rather underwhelming regardless of the match-up, I'm again just interested to see how things shake out.

They DVOA'd at 6 last year against the rush, according to Football Outsiders. Then again, the year before they finished 25th. I'll take my entertainment and posters any way I can get it, and SameSongNDance is pretty good, all things considered. Maybe a bit too much like a national commentator flying in for the game, having a meeting, and telling me how the Red Sox operate, but pretty good nonetheless.

Ah, I never considered myself entertaining. Glad I could be of service.

why did you leave out cj spiller?

To deceive..

The only reason I mentioned FJax is because everyone assumes that he's washed up. Regardless, in total they gave up the 4th most rushing yards last week. Small sample size, sure, but I don't know how to classify that as anything other than "being run on".

Relying on previous years stats as it pertain to defenses, or at least fantasy points allowed has proven to be a fool's errand.

 

[cstu]

Stephen Hill breakout party

This is what my gut tells me. He was open for 2 TD's last week.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

How do you guys think the NYJ backfield will shake out? You can run on NE. Powell saw 63% of the snaps last week and was utlized 17 times. Hes also the defacto 3rd down RB/pass catcher.

according to what?

Exactly. When was the last time you could really run on NE?

You gotta love how people just make up stats to prove their point.

The Patriots ranked 9th last season with 101.9ypg allowed on the ground and were tied for 6th last season with 10 TDs allowed. Tied for 5th in YPC allowed at 3.9ypc. They were also tied for first on big plays... they only allowed 5 plays of 20 or more yards and allowed 0 of 40 or more yards.

So yes please, since when have you been able to run on the Patriots? They're actually one of the worst RB matchups in the league... very quietly but it still holds true quiet or not.

It's nice to see you step out of the David Wilson thread and bring your never ending argumentative disposition here. Relax.

I didn't make up any stats nor did I present any. Regardless, I'm referring to what I've seen so far this year. Preseason needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt but they looked rather porous there. Last week, they gave up the 6th most rushing yards to RBs; old man Jackson didn't seem to have much trouble averaging 5.2 yards a clip. From what I've seen so far THIS year, I believe they can be run on.

Also, I'm not saying to start either Powell or Ivory as they're both rather underwhelming regardless of the match-up, I'm again just interested to see how things shake out.

why did you leave out cj spiller?

To deceive..

The only reason I mentioned FJax is because everyone assumes that he's washed up. Regardless, in total they gave up the 4th most rushing yards last week. Small sample size, sure, but I don't know how to classify that as anything other than "being run on".

Relying on previous years stats as it pertain to defenses, or at least fantasy points allowed has proven to be a fool's errand.

why did you just now switch from ypc to total yards?

fred jackson only ran for 67 yards on us -- that doesn't seem like a lot.

there were probably 2 dozen teams that gave up more than that

eveyone assumes spiller is a young stud -- how'd they do against him?

are you saying bilal powell buries spiller and you drafted him in the first round?

 

[jwp]

Who do you guys project will be covering Thompkins?

 

[pghrob]

Anyone seeing Leon Washington getting some playing time / looks as a third down back ala Danny Woodhead tonight?

 

[massraider]

some crazy storms in NYC right now

 

[Nucker101]

I'm on the Edelman bus his week!

Also scooped up Stephen Hill in a couple of leagues since I like what I've been hearing about him this year.

 

[SameSongNDance]

How do you guys think the NYJ backfield will shake out? You can run on NE. Powell saw 63% of the snaps last week and was utlized 17 times. Hes also the defacto 3rd down RB/pass catcher.

according to what?

Exactly. When was the last time you could really run on NE?

You gotta love how people just make up stats to prove their point.

The Patriots ranked 9th last season with 101.9ypg allowed on the ground and were tied for 6th last season with 10 TDs allowed. Tied for 5th in YPC allowed at 3.9ypc. They were also tied for first on big plays... they only allowed 5 plays of 20 or more yards and allowed 0 of 40 or more yards.

So yes please, since when have you been able to run on the Patriots? They're actually one of the worst RB matchups in the league... very quietly but it still holds true quiet or not.

It's nice to see you step out of the David Wilson thread and bring your never ending argumentative disposition here. Relax.

I didn't make up any stats nor did I present any. Regardless, I'm referring to what I've seen so far this year. Preseason needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt but they looked rather porous there. Last week, they gave up the 6th most rushing yards to RBs; old man Jackson didn't seem to have much trouble averaging 5.2 yards a clip. From what I've seen so far THIS year, I believe they can be run on.

Also, I'm not saying to start either Powell or Ivory as they're both rather underwhelming regardless of the match-up, I'm again just interested to see how things shake out.

They DVOA'd at 6 last year against the rush, according to Football Outsiders. Then again, the year before they finished 25th. I'll take my entertainment and posters any way I can get it, and SameSongNDance is pretty good, all things considered. Maybe a bit too much like a national commentator flying in for the game, having a meeting, and telling me how the Red Sox operate, but pretty good nonetheless.

Ah, I never considered myself entertaining. Glad I could be of service.

why did you leave out cj spiller?

To deceive..

The only reason I mentioned FJax is because everyone assumes that he's washed up. Regardless, in total they gave up the 4th most rushing yards last week. Small sample size, sure, but I don't know how to classify that as anything other than "being run on".

Relying on previous years stats as it pertain to defenses, or at least fantasy points allowed has proven to be a fool's errand.

why did you just now switch from ypc to total yards?

fred jackson only ran for 67 yards on us -- that doesn't seem like a lot.

there were probably 2 dozen teams that gave up more than that

What? I've been pretty specific.

In my initial post I said they gave up the 6th most rushing yards to RBs last week. This was the crux of my argument and is a fact.

In my second post I said they gave up the 4th most total rushing yards (as I was looking at that specific stat, which includes Manuals 23 yards and Graham's 5 yards).

Both arguments hold the same weight and essentially paint the same picture.

I'm not trying to say your team (didn't realize you were a NE fan) can't stop the run. I just believe that things can change and they may be a bit more susceptible this year than last year.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Anyone seeing Leon Washington getting some playing time / looks as a third down back ala Danny Woodhead tonight?

I don't think NE has much of a choice at this point. Ridley, Bolden and Blount aren't pass catchers and Washington obviously fits the Vereen, Woodhead, Faulk mold. I can see him getting some work for sure.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

some crazy storms in NYC right now

I'm not worried about that

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

How do you guys think the NYJ backfield will shake out? You can run on NE. Powell saw 63% of the snaps last week and was utlized 17 times. Hes also the defacto 3rd down RB/pass catcher.

according to what?

Exactly. When was the last time you could really run on NE?

You gotta love how people just make up stats to prove their point.

The Patriots ranked 9th last season with 101.9ypg allowed on the ground and were tied for 6th last season with 10 TDs allowed. Tied for 5th in YPC allowed at 3.9ypc. They were also tied for first on big plays... they only allowed 5 plays of 20 or more yards and allowed 0 of 40 or more yards.

So yes please, since when have you been able to run on the Patriots? They're actually one of the worst RB matchups in the league... very quietly but it still holds true quiet or not.

It's nice to see you step out of the David Wilson thread and bring your never ending argumentative disposition here. Relax.

I didn't make up any stats nor did I present any. Regardless, I'm referring to what I've seen so far this year. Preseason needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt but they looked rather porous there. Last week, they gave up the 6th most rushing yards to RBs; old man Jackson didn't seem to have much trouble averaging 5.2 yards a clip. From what I've seen so far THIS year, I believe they can be run on.

Also, I'm not saying to start either Powell or Ivory as they're both rather underwhelming regardless of the match-up, I'm again just interested to see how things shake out.

They DVOA'd at 6 last year against the rush, according to Football Outsiders. Then again, the year before they finished 25th. I'll take my entertainment and posters any way I can get it, and SameSongNDance is pretty good, all things considered. Maybe a bit too much like a national commentator flying in for the game, having a meeting, and telling me how the Red Sox operate, but pretty good nonetheless.

Ah, I never considered myself entertaining. Glad I could be of service.

why did you leave out cj spiller?

To deceive..

The only reason I mentioned FJax is because everyone assumes that he's washed up. Regardless, in total they gave up the 4th most rushing yards last week. Small sample size, sure, but I don't know how to classify that as anything other than "being run on".

Relying on previous years stats as it pertain to defenses, or at least fantasy points allowed has proven to be a fool's errand.

why did you just now switch from ypc to total yards?

fred jackson only ran for 67 yards on us -- that doesn't seem like a lot.

there were probably 2 dozen teams that gave up more than that

What? I've been pretty specific.

In my initial post I said they gave up the 6th most rushing yards to RBs last week. This was the crux of my argument and is a fact.

In my second post I said they gave up the 4th most total rushing yards (as I was looking at that specific stat, which includes Manuals 23 yards and Graham's 5 yards).

Both arguments hold the same weight and essentially paint the same picture.

I'm not trying to say your team (didn't realize you were a NE fan) can't stop the run. I just believe that things can change and they may be a bit more susceptible this year than last year.

buf ran the ball 34x, possibly because of the qb, or possibly because nep invited them to by playing a base nickel all game, which was 5th most in the league --- I'm not surprised they managed some kind of net yardage.

rather than single jackson out and post his ypc, add spiller in there and give the the ypc figure that nickel defense allowed.

or better yet, just single out superstud spiller and tell me his numbers.

 

[chinawildman]

Just took a flyer on Boyce. Liked the fact that he is a tweener and betting that he may usurp a bit of Vereen's role...

 

[SameSongNDance]

buf ran the ball 34x, possibly because of the qb, or possibly because nep invited them to by playing a base nickel all game, which was 5th most in the league --- I'm not surprised they managed some kind of net yardage.
rather than single jackson out and post his ypc, add spiller in there and give the the ypc figure that nickel defense allowed.

or better yet, just single out superstud spiller and tell me his numbers.

Between FJax/Spiller 3.6 YPC. Between FJax/Spiller and everyone else 4 YPC. Yeah, pretty good. I'll save us both some time and admit I was wrong.

Now watch the inept duo of Powell/Ivory run all over them.

 

[Shutout]

People are going to be made aware of Aaron Dobson tonight.

Well...that didnt take long.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

FG Duel IMO

 

[meyerj31]

Ridley looking terrible.

 

[biju]

Ridley looking terrible.

There are a hold lot more people who look terrible in this game.

 

[kinghill]

Patriots Defense came through as expected.

Ridley poor production as expected - but had to start him. Ridley laid a handful of eggs last year. Hope he's just getting them out of his system now. Never know how the Pats gameplan is going to go. Damn Blount was in for 2 series in a row late in the game, wasn't happy to see that.

 

[Dragon1952]

Solid analysis of tonight's Jets-Pats game

Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.

If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having

big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB

without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro

teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were

in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more

than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.

Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.

OK class.....pay attention. Bottom line...these are two pro teams and divisional rivals to boot and 12 is a large number. Recommendation......don't ever take up gambling.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I said 16-15...13-10, Jets +12, they came close to winning this one. Pats not looking real good right now but they were on the brink of a 20-3 lead b4 the half, 13-3 instead and it seemed to take some of the steam out of them. Pats look very beatable right now.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

People are going to be made aware of Aaron Dobson tonight.

You got that right

 

[Sinn Fein]

Avoid them all. Bet the under.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Avoid them all. Bet the under.

Good call

 

[PatsFanCT]

Solid analysis of tonight's Jets-Pats game

Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.

If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having

big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB

without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro

teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were

in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more

than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.

Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.

OK class.....pay attention. Bottom line...these are two pro teams and divisional rivals to boot and 12 is a large number. Recommendation......don't ever take up gambling.

You didn't tell me who the talented offensive players were. Also, I do gamble, and I won last night. But thanks for caring so much.

 

[Dragon1952]

Solid analysis of tonight's Jets-Pats game

Well they damn near #### the bed last week but just ended up soiling it a bit, so I guess it can happen.

If they needed a last second FG to win vs Buffalo and a rookie QB with both Vereen and Amendola having

big games I can certainly see them not covering a double digit spread against the Jets and a rookie QB

without those two play makers. As bad as some teams appear to be in the public's eye they are still pro

teams with pro athletes. Last week it appeared to many that the Jets, Chargers, Bills and Raiders all were

in mismatches and all 4 had reasonable chances to win SU with the Jets doing so, and none losing by more

than 4 pts. I like the Jets plus the 12 pts.

Please remind the class who the wonderfully talented offensive players this rookie QB is going to rely on to move the ball down the field in any capacity.

OK class.....pay attention. Bottom line...these are two pro teams and divisional rivals to boot and 12 is a large number. Recommendation......don't ever take up gambling.

You didn't tell me who the talented offensive players were. Also, I do gamble, and I won last night. But thanks for caring so much.

My original point was that 12 pts was too much because even bad pro teams still have athletes that are good enough to play in the NFL, meaning they are not as bad as some people might think. I gave the example of 4 week 1 teams that were considered so bad compared to their opponents that they were thought to have no chance and all 4 were close games. We saw another one last night. It doesn't matter what the names are. They obviously had enough talent to compete in this game, and last week's, and that's what the point was. And their defense is obviously pretty darn good giving up just 30 total points so far and an average of around 240 total yds per game. (Football is a combination of defense, offense and special teams BTW)

If your Pats are so superior to the Jets why did they get out-first downed 15 to 9, out-yarded 318 to 232, out-rushed 129 to 54, had a better average gain per play 4.5 to 3.6? They won the TO battle 4-0 and still only won by 3. Yes the Jets don't have a great offense but it doesn't necessarily mean they can't compete as some would imply.