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Jim Harbaugh 2011 contract is ridiculous (1 Viewer)

Chase Stuart

Chase Stuart

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How in the world can it be justified to pay Jim Harbaugh 7 or 8 million dollars are you? Are you kidding me? Putting aside that, ya know, that's more money than most people will make in their entire lives, what has Harbaugh done to deserve it? He did a good job coaching in a decent conference in college? He never even won his conference! Yet all of the sudden he's somehow worthy of one of the richest contracts in NFL history?

Mike Tomlin has won a Super Bowl and has Pittsburgh as an annual contender, and he's making 4.8 million per year. Jeff Fisher, one of the most respected coaches in the league, is making just shy of 6 million per year. Tom Coughlin, after he won the freakin Super Bowl, is making just over 5 mill per year. How in the world can you justify paying Jim Harbaugh more than all of them? More than Bill Belichick, who's making 7.5 per year?

It's just absurd. Harbaugh's a college guy who hasn't proven a single thing in the NFL. Why not make him PROVE his worth first, then pay him? Wouldn't a 3-year, 6 million dollar deal still put him in the top .0001% of rich people and not cripple the franchise if he's a bust? If Harbaugh's actually a good NFL coach, surely his next contract would be in the 6-7 million dollar a year range. So if he's a good coach, he'll make a ton of money. If he's a bad coach, he'll still make good money but not crazy money. Why won't Roger Goodell step in and do something about this? As an average NFL fan, I have to say it turns me off to the whole sport to see an unproven whippersnapper like Harbaugh come in and make more money than my family will make for generations. For coaching freakin' football. Make him prove it, then pay him. Isn't that how every other industry in the world works?

Please, NFL and Goodell, do something.
 
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Chase Stuart said:
How in the world can it be justified to pay Jim Harbaugh 7 or 8 million dollars are you? Are you kidding me? Putting aside that, ya know, that's more money than most people will make in their entire lives, what has Harbaugh done to deserve it? He did a good job coaching in a decent conference in college? He never even won his conference! Yet all of the sudden he's somehow worthy of one of the richest contracts in NFL history?Mike Tomlin has won a Super Bowl and has Pittsburgh as an annual contender, and he's making 4.8 million per year. Jeff Fisher, one of the most respected coaches in the league, is making just shy of 6 million per year. Tom Coughlin, after he won the freakin Super Bowl, is making just over 5 mill per year. How in the world can you justify paying Jim Harbaugh more than all of them? More than Bill Belichick, who's making 7.5 per year?It's just absurd. Harbaugh's a college guy who hasn't proven a single thing in the NFL. Why not make him PROVE his worth first, then pay him? Wouldn't a 3-year, 6 million dollar deal still put him in the top .0001% of rich people and not cripple the franchise if he's a bust? If Harbaugh's actually a good NFL coach, surely his next contract would be in the 6-7 million dollar a year range. So if he's a good coach, he'll make a ton of money. If he's a bad coach, he'll still make good money but not crazy money. Why won't Roger Goodell step in and do something about this? As an average NFL fan, I have to say it turns me off to the whole sport to see an unproven whippersnapper like Harbaugh come in and make more money than my family will make for generations. For coaching freakin' football. Make him prove it, then pay him. Isn't that how every other industry in the world works?Please, NFL and Goodell, do something.
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These purported offers (as I type this the buzz of the minute, yes it does change, is that Captain Comeback stays at Stamford) should really be baselined against the deal Seattle gave Pete Carroll to leave USC. When viewed in that context and acknowledging that Harbaugh is certainly a BETTER candidate right now than Pete was 12 months ago, the purported offers seem appropriate.
 
Because if he jumped to a bigger college, he'd get > 5 Mil?

Why should he take less money to jump to the NFL?

 
Miami owner is a billionaire and wants what he wants...$8 million is chump change for him...Harbaugh isn't coming anyways so just chill out Jetboy

 
Supply and demand. He's in the right place at the right time.

Guy won 190,000,000 in the Mega Millions the other day and he didn't work most of his life. Life isn't fair. If someone is foolish enough to pay him that money, shame on them. Seems kind of desperate.

 
I can't take it anymore.

Here is Packers' President Mark Murphy talking about the situation (from the Washington Post):

Nobody wants a lockout or work stoppage of any kind, but we must have an agreement that addresses the concerns of NFL ownership and management. The current labor agreement expires in March, and one of management's biggest concerns is the exorbitant and inefficient spending on rookie coaches.

Rookie coaches should be paid fairly, but they should not be among the highest-paid NFL coaches before coaching a single down. Teams don't like it. Veterans and retired coaches don't like it. Fans don't like it.

No other business operates this way, and no other union gives its entry-level hires such privileges. The cost is too high, especially if a coach paid that much turns out to be a bust.
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Chase Stuart said:
How in the world can it be justified to pay Jim Harbaugh 7 or 8 million dollars are you? Are you kidding me? Putting aside that, ya know, that's more money than most people will make in their entire lives, what has Harbaugh done to deserve it?
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See, sadly, I stopped reading right there, because I knew that anything that followed was going to be more silliness. Who are you? And why have you hijacked Chase's account?! This is an outrage. One of the more respected staff members, and you hijack his account to complain about a coaching contract that is under $10 million? Hacker!:reported:
 
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I mean, I didn't graduate from a fancy-pants school like Miami, so maybe I'm just a simpleton, but I think I see what Chase and Doug are doing here.

 
We can say the exact same thing about many sports contracts.

The Detroit Tigers just gave a 33 year old middle relief pitcher who has had one good season 5.5 million a season. It goes on and on and on.

In 1997, the Boston Celtics signed Rick Pitino to a seven-year, $70 million contract, but Pitino wasn't a player - he was the coach. The legendary University of Kentucky coach was brought to bring the Celtics back to glory. The exact opposite happened, as the Celtics failed to make the playoffs in his four-year tenure. He was canned in 2001.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
McBokonon said:
Doug Drinen said:
I can't take it anymore.
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Between this and Chase's original post, it's pretty obvious that the staff has been attacked by brain-eating parasites that inject some sort of Crazy Whine Juice into peoples' bloodstreams.
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It could be that the staff are brain-damaged. Or it could be that posters can't recognize parody when they see it.
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If they had a rookie staff salary cap here maybe they could afford some new blood.
 
Yeah the owners are so broke that they want to give the players less of the pie, but heck lets pay out othe nose for coaches.

If there is a work stoppage it makes absolutely no sense

 
If this is indeed a comment on the potential rookie salary cap, there is one big difference between coaches and players.

When a rookie player gets a huge contract, the team has a reduced amount to pay its veterans. The unproven rookie's huge contract is

at the expense of veterans who have proven themselves.

When a rookie coach gets a huge contract, the only person it affects financially is the owner who will have less money in his pocket. Since

he is the one making the decision to pay the contract, then I have no problem with it.

 
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IvanKaramazov said:
Joe T said:
IvanKaramazov said:
Joe T said:
what a strange post.
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I think it was intended as parody.
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Parody of what?
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The arguments for a rookie salary cap. Did you read Drinen's post?
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Here is one stark difference and actually Daniel Snyder picked up on this a few years back. The NFL in terms of what teams can spend is the anti-MLB. In baseball, about 4-5 teams literally have a 50/50 shot of getting to the playoffs. Sure others can compete and win, but it is a Hail Mary and not an every year occurance for multiple years of being in the top 5. We all know why that is, but the NFL the only "edge" you can get (besides hard work, scouting etc.) is by buying who you think is the best coaching staff available. If you went out and upped the best DC and OC's salary by 1.5 million and even increased the best O-Line coach and other positional coaches by 500k-1 million, you are only talking about another 12 million or so...when you are spending 125 million, that is not much of an increase to better your chances at getting the most out of your capped players. It is the only unequal ground in the NFL and I am surprised more teams do not take advantage of it.Now, back to the Snyder mention...he is just snake-bitten when it comes to the Skins, but he had the right idea when he paid Al Saunders all those bucks...just had the wrong in place at the time. I have no problem with the whole pay system, but my only thought is I would like to see coordinators at more of a 1:2 ratio in pay scale versus the 1:7 we see today...I think the "best" formula would be to pay your HC a little less, pay your coordinators more, and the coordinators would be less likely to bolt for a HC job. Just my $.02...
 
McBokonon said:
I'm usually more on top of things than this. I hadn't read whatever it is they're mocking.
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Sorry for the vagueness of the delivery, but I just chose that piece because I had it handy. The same sentiment has been extremely common on pretty much every message board or media outlet for the last five years, especially around the time draft talk season starts.
 
I agree with the OP and a "Cap". But the Multi-billionaire owner has to do something to turn aound a what, Trillion dollar investment? Even if there were a cap how could it possibly be enforced? How about a % of a teams worth? But under that rule the Giants/Jets are worth more as a franchise than the Patriots so maybe Caughlin/Ryan should make more than Belichick. Wins-Losses? Winning Pctg? How about a Coaching rating similar to a QB rating?

In all likelyhood there'll be a rookie salary cap after forever, so maybe that's a start.

Maybe more than any other "Job" in the NFL coaches are a flavor of the week. With so many moving parts and owners that have so little in depth knowledge of exactly how it works, you can't help but feel for the guy who really has no choice but to take a chance on said flavor of the month.

Aside from the two big name FA availables Gruden & Cowher we seemingly hear little to no interest in guys like Billick, Jimmy Johnson, Denny Green, etc despite similar winning pcts.

IMO an owner who can capture the fan base for a couple of years with the young wiz kid Harbaugh-type who'll take a 3 year contract for 7 mil a year probably would do himself better than hiring Cowher as HC AND GM/Pres of football operations or whatever for 10+ mil for 5 years (and probably bring in a younger & cheaper staff). And arguably end up with the same crap shoot shot at making the big dance with one over the other.

I'm not saying Harbaugh or whoever has a better shot at making the SB than Cowher or whoever, I'm just syaing it might be a cheaper gamble.

 
dhockster said:
If this is indeed a comment on the potential rookie salary cap, there is one big difference between coaches and players.When a rookie player gets a huge contract, the team has a reduced amount to pay its veterans. The unproven rookie's huge contract isat the expense of veterans who have proven themselves.When a rookie coach gets a huge contract, the only person it affects financially is the owner who will have less money in his pocket. Since he is the one making the decision to pay the contract, then I have no problem with it.
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You've hit on my suggestion; if the owners "need" a salary cap, include the head coach, OC and DC in that cap. Or implement a separate cap for the coaching staff.
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Yeah the owners are so broke that they want to give the players less of the pie, but heck lets pay out othe nose for coaches.If there is a work stoppage it makes absolutely no sense
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:yes: this.
 
simsarge said:
I agree with the OP and a "Cap". But the Multi-billionaire owner has to do something to turn aound a what, Trillion dollar investment? Even if there were a cap how could it possibly be enforced? How about a % of a teams worth? But under that rule the Giants/Jets are worth more as a franchise than the Patriots so maybe Caughlin/Ryan should make more than Belichick. Wins-Losses? Winning Pctg? How about a Coaching rating similar to a QB rating?In all likelyhood there'll be a rookie salary cap after forever, so maybe that's a start. Maybe more than any other "Job" in the NFL coaches are a flavor of the week. With so many moving parts and owners that have so little in depth knowledge of exactly how it works, you can't help but feel for the guy who really has no choice but to take a chance on said flavor of the month. Aside from the two big name FA availables Gruden & Cowher we seemingly hear little to no interest in guys like Billick, Jimmy Johnson, Denny Green, etc despite similar winning pcts. IMO an owner who can capture the fan base for a couple of years with the young wiz kid Harbaugh-type who'll take a 3 year contract for 7 mil a year probably would do himself better than hiring Cowher as HC AND GM/Pres of football operations or whatever for 10+ mil for 5 years (and probably bring in a younger & cheaper staff). And arguably end up with the same crap shoot shot at making the big dance with one over the other. I'm not saying Harbaugh or whoever has a better shot at making the SB than Cowher or whoever, I'm just syaing it might be a cheaper gamble.
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Let's just pay coaches $100,000 per win during the regular season, $250,000 per playoff win and a bonus $1,000,000 for winning the Super Bowl. Highest paid coach for the year would be somewhere around $2.5M, and the loser teams would starve.
 
FUBAR said:
simsarge said:
I agree with the OP and a "Cap". But the Multi-billionaire owner has to do something to turn aound a what, Trillion dollar investment? Even if there were a cap how could it possibly be enforced? How about a % of a teams worth? But under that rule the Giants/Jets are worth more as a franchise than the Patriots so maybe Caughlin/Ryan should make more than Belichick. Wins-Losses? Winning Pctg? How about a Coaching rating similar to a QB rating?In all likelyhood there'll be a rookie salary cap after forever, so maybe that's a start. Maybe more than any other "Job" in the NFL coaches are a flavor of the week. With so many moving parts and owners that have so little in depth knowledge of exactly how it works, you can't help but feel for the guy who really has no choice but to take a chance on said flavor of the month. Aside from the two big name FA availables Gruden & Cowher we seemingly hear little to no interest in guys like Billick, Jimmy Johnson, Denny Green, etc despite similar winning pcts. IMO an owner who can capture the fan base for a couple of years with the young wiz kid Harbaugh-type who'll take a 3 year contract for 7 mil a year probably would do himself better than hiring Cowher as HC AND GM/Pres of football operations or whatever for 10+ mil for 5 years (and probably bring in a younger & cheaper staff). And arguably end up with the same crap shoot shot at making the big dance with one over the other. I'm not saying Harbaugh or whoever has a better shot at making the SB than Cowher or whoever, I'm just syaing it might be a cheaper gamble.
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Let's just pay coaches $100,000 per win during the regular season, $250,000 per playoff win and a bonus $1,000,000 for winning the Super Bowl. Highest paid coach for the year would be somewhere around $2.5M, and the loser teams would starve.
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True but fat chance at landing or retaining any decent HC, wiz kid or proven winner if your team had a crappy year and missed the playoffs becasue the QB and RB got knocked out for the season in the 1st game and finishes 3-13. Not the HC's fault, but he's gonna tell the NFL owner to pound sand when the "U" or USC says they'll guarentee him 2 million win or lose.
 
FUBAR said:
dhockster said:
If this is indeed a comment on the potential rookie salary cap, there is one big difference between coaches and players.When a rookie player gets a huge contract, the team has a reduced amount to pay its veterans. The unproven rookie's huge contract isat the expense of veterans who have proven themselves.When a rookie coach gets a huge contract, the only person it affects financially is the owner who will have less money in his pocket. Since he is the one making the decision to pay the contract, then I have no problem with it.
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You've hit on my suggestion; if the owners "need" a salary cap, include the head coach, OC and DC in that cap. Or implement a separate cap for the coaching staff.
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Yeah the owners are so broke that they want to give the players less of the pie, but heck lets pay out othe nose for coaches.If there is a work stoppage it makes absolutely no sense
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:yes: this.
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:) I was going to suggest this.
 
:lmao: :lmao: This is simply the "there should be no limits on the rookie's pay" crowd throwing out feigned outrage at a "rookie" NFL coach getting paid more than experienced ones. Lots of fish jumping in the boat...

But I do not think the comparisons are actually not apples to apples. 1) Harbaugh has coached as an assistant with the Raiders so he has knowledge of what the rigors and requirements of an NFL head coach will be. 2) The athletic difference between the NFL and College players is the biggest reason there are so many rookie busts in my opinion - the intellectual/personality requirements to coach in the NFL (especially after both playing and assisting in the NFL) is not the same. 3) There is no salary cap on coaches salaries - so if a coach makes $20 Million a year, it does not necessarily take it away from someone else other than the owner. The player's salary cap does exactly this and is why it I am for a rookie cap, the veterans are losing money when the top rookies take up a big chunk of the cap.

 
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So mods can start joke threads here, but a thread that brings the spotlight on how easily commishes can screw poeple out of money needs to be banished to the Looking for Leagues forum?

 
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