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Lol sorry for your loss..haha oh it's "pathetic" dude you look like a joke, stop crying.
Guessing you missed this post..
Too bad they'll have to gut the defense to keep him and they won't get back to the super bowl.wormburner said:
Right this moment, yes. I don't think the Saints will have a fantasy-helpful TE this season, though. No one who'll deliver consistent points, anyway. The "Jimmy Graham" role is not one that necessarily has to be replaced by another 100+ target TE.
Actually there was rumor Unger was going to be a cap casualty based on his cap hit and how often he's injured, and if that was the case a 4th for someone we would have outright cut is great.
I seriously wonder if they think he's damaged goods. They kept a washed up Colston and then traded away Graham. Doesn't make sense to me unless they think his injury problems will continue.I'm less worried about the landing spot than I am about WHY the Saints let him go. If they were confident he could return to his 2013 form, there's no way they do this. It doesn't even save them much cap space if I understand correctly.
Other way around, even -- it ended up being a $2.5 M cap hit (with Unger's 2015 salary accounted for).IIt doesn't even save [the Saints] much cap space if I understand correctly.
It'd be really nice for my dynasty team if the Saints signed Jordan Cameron. Let's get it done, who do I need to call to nudge a deal along?
There are a few things going on that have not been made totally public, and thus exist only in the realm of "rumor". On top of general injury concerns:
Colston's salary in 2016 is $6.9M, Graham's is $8.9M.Other way around, even -- it ended up being a $2.5 M cap hit (with Unger's 2015 salary accounted for).IIt doesn't even save [the Saints] much cap space if I understand correctly.
However, the trade saves the Saints a lot of cap room over 2016 & 2017. I am interested to see what Seattle does with Graham's financials over the next few seasons. NFL teams typically find a way, but resources are limited for everyone and not every mouth can be fed.
The overall thrust of your post makes sense to me -- I just think the Saints stopped believing in Graham for more reasons than strictly health.
Good point. I was using Spotrac and according to them his 2015/2016 salaries are actually $6.9M/$7.7M.
Carroll - "We're planning to cut him but I'll give you the #32 pick in the draft for the 2nd best TE in football. Deal?"
I can believe most of that, especially the part about it getting contentious during his contract talks. In that pre-season game when Graham double dunked on the goalpost I got a sense not all was merry between Graham and the Saints, it kind of struck me as an act of pure defiance.
They added the best receiving TE in the NFL and easily one of the top 5 red zone targets as well, while losing the 31st pick in the draft, and a Center that's been hurt for over 40% of the games the past 2 seasons, which they had HFA in the tougher of the two conferences. Graham hasn't missed any games in the past 2 years, even if he wasn't healthy. He was still catching TD's and acting a decoy.
That's because you haven't been paying attention. They were overpaying guys like Percy Harvin, Zach Miller, Sidney Rice, Chris Clemons, Red Bryant, etc.
You could say that about any team you unilaterally declare has the "best chance."
They added a dominant TE and replaced Byron Maxwell with Cary Williams, am I missing something?You could say that about any team you unilaterally declare has the "best chance."
"The Tennessee Titans have, without a doubt, the best chance of any one team to get to SB50 and win it. That sounds like a favorite to me."
SEA has fundamentally altered the recipe that made them consistently difficult to beat for the last two and a half seasons. It's always intriguing when a great player goes to a good team, but on the surface, it seems like an awkward fit, and seems to detract from the team's core strengths. There's gonna be some show-me involved, here, for a lot of us.
On your first point: huh? I'd like to hear an argument for any team over Seattle as favorites. Vegas agrees with me as well.You could say that about any team you unilaterally declare has the "best chance."
"The Tennessee Titans have, without a doubt, the best chance of any one team to get to SB50 and win it. That sounds like a favorite to me."
SEA has fundamentally altered the recipe that made them consistently difficult to beat for the last two and a half seasons. It's always intriguing when a great player goes to a good team, but on the surface, it seems like an awkward fit, and seems to detract from the team's core strengths. There's gonna be some show-me involved, here, for a lot of us.
Defenses don't need to double Graham - they'll just put their best cover corner on him. Teams didn't always do that against New Orleans because the passing game was pretty good - you had to deal with Brees, Cooks, Colston, and guys coming out of the backfield catching balls. Against Seattle there isn't as much of a throwing/receiving threat so defensive backs can focus on Graham a bit more.On your first point: huh? I'd like to hear an argument for any team over Seattle as favorites. Vegas agrees with me as well.You could say that about any team you unilaterally declare has the "best chance."
"The Tennessee Titans have, without a doubt, the best chance of any one team to get to SB50 and win it. That sounds like a favorite to me."
SEA has fundamentally altered the recipe that made them consistently difficult to beat for the last two and a half seasons. It's always intriguing when a great player goes to a good team, but on the surface, it seems like an awkward fit, and seems to detract from the team's core strengths. There's gonna be some show-me involved, here, for a lot of us.
Also, I don't blame you if you aren't convinced. Tell me how they've fundamentally altered anything? Unger has missed 40% of the games the past 2 seasons. It does no one any good when Unger plays well enough in camp to win the job, and then gets injured in week 2 of the season, forcing backups to play half of the season. Unger has been a cap casualty possibility either this year or the next anyways.
As to how this should enhance the "recipe" that makes them consistently difficult to beat, I'll quote Jacson Bevens of Fieldgulls:
That sounds like an unsuccessful recipe for success against SEA to me, but we shall see. RE: keeping 7 in the box. Lynch and Wilson on read option, already takes one player out of the play to account for Wilson. I highly doubt a defense is going to have 6 players in the box to stop Lynch.Defenses don't need to double Graham - they'll just put their best cover corner on him. Teams didn't always do that against New Orleans because the passing game was pretty good - you had to deal with Brees, Cooks, Colston, and guys coming out of the backfield catching balls. Against Seattle there isn't as much of a throwing/receiving threat so defensive backs can focus on Graham a bit more.On your first point: huh? I'd like to hear an argument for any team over Seattle as favorites. Vegas agrees with me as well.You could say that about any team you unilaterally declare has the "best chance."
"The Tennessee Titans have, without a doubt, the best chance of any one team to get to SB50 and win it. That sounds like a favorite to me."
SEA has fundamentally altered the recipe that made them consistently difficult to beat for the last two and a half seasons. It's always intriguing when a great player goes to a good team, but on the surface, it seems like an awkward fit, and seems to detract from the team's core strengths. There's gonna be some show-me involved, here, for a lot of us.
Also, I don't blame you if you aren't convinced. Tell me how they've fundamentally altered anything? Unger has missed 40% of the games the past 2 seasons. It does no one any good when Unger plays well enough in camp to win the job, and then gets injured in week 2 of the season, forcing backups to play half of the season. Unger has been a cap casualty possibility either this year or the next anyways.
As to how this should enhance the "recipe" that makes them consistently difficult to beat, I'll quote Jacson Bevens of Fieldgulls:
I expect teams to play man coverage a lot against SEA next year and make Russell complete in contested windows, while keeping 7 in the box for Lynch. Graham will probably have his best games against the top cornerbacks who are a little undersized (Sam Shields, for example... unlike Browner or Revis who will probably just play man and shut him down, making them win with Lynch).
I took it that shady was asking for personal opinions from the house about SB favorites, and not asking about sports-book favorites.
Ha, "Rumor." The Picayune is damned near untrustable when it comes to the Saints; they seem to be the journal to leak front office information, keep it rosey and rarely to never find criticism. It may be that they have cut back so much as a news organization in general. I think we may have had one article in the last 3 years about front office turmoil - the piece 3 years ago about Rita's hiatus which actually may not have actually come from Sports IIRC - and yet look at what transpired. I think some rumors about what is up in Bensonworld are due.menobrown said:
Just so we are clear, I felt that article yesterday was wholly orchestrated by the Saints as PR hatchet job on Graham. I was close to sending the writer a message telling him I hoped he was promised a good scoop for doing the Saints dirty work. I could tell even the Saints beat writers who disagreed with the move were pretty measured in their responses and for the most part just decided to go along with the positive Saints PR spin.
My thought is not that his skills are diminishing but that they are concerned about his ability to stay healthy.The Seahawks are SB favorites and late 1st's are about 50/50 in getting a good player. Unger is a good center but not close in impact to Graham.
He still played fairly well with a busted up shoulder.
I have no idea but trading a player as good as Graham for pretty much peanuts makes no sense. If I try to picture the Chargers trading Antonio Gates at age 29 for what the Saints got it blows my mind. Don't get it at all unless there are injury questions or Graham is a locker room cancer.
Well considering the lack of reports coming out of the media about any fights, disrespect to coaches, teammates, or refusing to enter a game, etc, I think we can stop short of calling Graham a locker room cancer. Percy Harvin is what I could call a locker room cancer.
Coulda sworn I did just read some stuff in the past day or so about him not wanting to play hurt, then something else about him pissing off the team by playing in the probowl. And maybe a few other little things as of late.
