Jodi Arias case (1 Viewer)

[CurlyNight]

So it seems the defense was thrilled that #5 got the boot. Seems she was really pro-prosecution. Reports are Jodi and her team came in to court with big smiles like they won a big thing today while Travis's family were bawling to where one sibling had to leave the court. <_<

Probably because they know an appeal has higher probability due to this juror tainting the jury.

Well supposedly the judge fixed the prob by tossing her so no appeal can happen but I guess who knows.

 

[Das Boot]

So it seems the defense was thrilled that #5 got the boot. Seems she was really pro-prosecution. Reports are Jodi and her team came in to court with big smiles like they won a big thing today while Travis's family were bawling to where one sibling had to leave the court. <_<

Probably because they know an appeal has higher probability due to this juror tainting the jury.

That's kind of like mooning, only different, right?

 

[CurlyNight]

So today we had the violet become ill after lunch so screeeeeeeeeeeeeeech, stop the trial AGAIN! I guess I would become ill if I've been on the stand for 6 days now trying to help Jodi but unable to because really what I'm saying about Travis indirectly is really Jodi! Get the violet off the stand already. She's not going to be able to solidly tie Travis abused Jodi. Let's move on and save the poor taxpayers . I mean isn't over 1 mil enough already for this ?

 

[hamster_13]

So today we had the violet become ill after lunch so screeeeeeeeeeeeeeech, stop the trial AGAIN! I guess I would become ill if I've been on the stand for 6 days now trying to help Jodi but unable to because really what I'm saying about Travis indirectly is really Jodi! Get the violet off the stand already. She's not going to be able to solidly tie Travis abused Jodi. Let's move on and save the poor taxpayers . I mean isn't over 1 mil enough already for this ?

She tried to plea. All costs incurred by the state are directly Juan's doing, as he was unwilling to accept the plea.

 

[CurlyNight]

So today we had the violet become ill after lunch so screeeeeeeeeeeeeeech, stop the trial AGAIN! I guess I would become ill if I've been on the stand for 6 days now trying to help Jodi but unable to because really what I'm saying about Travis indirectly is really Jodi! Get the violet off the stand already. She's not going to be able to solidly tie Travis abused Jodi. Let's move on and save the poor taxpayers . I mean isn't over 1 mil enough already for this ?

She tried to plea. All costs incurred by the state are directly Juan's doing, as he was unwilling to accept the plea.

She tried to plea to save her life, not because she felt wrong and that she deserves life.. It's not Juan's doing. She deserves death in most people's eyes so to not do his best for Travis and his family would be a great disservice and a sad day in the court system.

 

[Johnnymac]

So today we had the violet become ill after lunch so screeeeeeeeeeeeeeech, stop the trial AGAIN! I guess I would become ill if I've been on the stand for 6 days now trying to help Jodi but unable to because really what I'm saying about Travis indirectly is really Jodi! Get the violet off the stand already. She's not going to be able to solidly tie Travis abused Jodi. Let's move on and save the poor taxpayers . I mean isn't over 1 mil enough already for this ?

She tried to plea. All costs incurred by the state are directly Juan's doing, as he was unwilling to accept the plea.

What trial are you watching? The defense has gone through her entire life with three witnesses. Give me a break.

 

[lod01]

So today we had the violet become ill after lunch so screeeeeeeeeeeeeeech, stop the trial AGAIN! I guess I would become ill if I've been on the stand for 6 days now trying to help Jodi but unable to because really what I'm saying about Travis indirectly is really Jodi! Get the violet off the stand already. She's not going to be able to solidly tie Travis abused Jodi. Let's move on and save the poor taxpayers . I mean isn't over 1 mil enough already for this ?

She tried to plea. All costs incurred by the state are directly Juan's doing, as he was unwilling to accept the plea.

Actually it was lemon sucker that wanted the death penalty. I would guess that if they didn't push him for a death penalty trial, Martinez would have taken a plea deal of 1st degree.

 

[Nikki2200]

So today we had the violet become ill after lunch so screeeeeeeeeeeeeeech, stop the trial AGAIN! I guess I would become ill if I've been on the stand for 6 days now trying to help Jodi but unable to because really what I'm saying about Travis indirectly is really Jodi! Get the violet off the stand already. She's not going to be able to solidly tie Travis abused Jodi. Let's move on and save the poor taxpayers . I mean isn't over 1 mil enough already for this ?

She tried to plea. All costs incurred by the state are directly Juan's doing, as he was unwilling to accept the plea.

Actually it was lemon sucker that wanted the death penalty. I would guess that if they didn't push him for a death penalty trial, Martinez would have taken a plea deal of 1st degree.

I would think it would have more to do with the fact that second degree murder could get her out of jail in a decade or two and I do not think that would be acceptable to either the state or Travis's family. So I agree with you that they probably would have agreed to a Murder 1 life in prison with no parole plea.

Also.... holy moly Juan is just launching a full on assault on this DV expert.

 

[CurlyNight]

Ok, get that juror 5 out of the gallery! Even if the jurors make eye contact with her the defense will cry for mistrial or they'll have another reason for appeal!

 

[Cybergeek]

Why does this witness never answer the question that is asked. It is maddening!!!

 

[CurlyNight]

Why does this witness never answer the question that is asked. It is maddening!!!

I assume it's still the violet on the stand? I got a new tv and won't have it hooked up till tomorrow am. <_< So no watching the trial stuff today for me.

 

[T Bell]

So if this case is declared a mistrial.....and they have to start all over, clean slate....does it mean Jodi can "revise" her answers without the prosecutor being to say but previously you said....? In other words can she revise her lies making it more lies in order to suit her case without anyone being able to call her on it cuz it's now a fresh no one knows anything yet trial?

If so...........I call

No, she doesn't just get to testify anew as if the prior testimony never happened, unless the mistrial relates to something "unfair" about her prior testimony. She gave prior testimony under oath and subject to cross examination, and relating to the same subject matter, so it can be used in cross-examination. She's stuck with it.

 

[CurlyNight]

So anyone know who seems to be winning in today's testimony: Juan or the violet chic? I heard she stood her ground so did he look like a big bully to the jury according to reports?

 

[Nikki2200]

So anyone know who seems to be winning in today's testimony: Juan or the violet chic? I heard she stood her ground so did he look like a big bully to the jury according to reports?

It was kind of uncomfortable to watch. I still think Juan is winning, but I could be biased because I am mesmerized by him. He asks tricky questions, that she then does not answer but constantly tries to throw in her own commentary and explanation instead of saying yes or no. I'm not really sure how other people would take it, but I kind of look at it as... this woman based her entire opinion off of what Jodi told her, which we already know was sketchy at best. She also seems to be one of those man-hating types of woman who claim that a woman is "abused" if a guy is mean to her, which to me weakens her credibility. I get the feeling that there aren't many instances where LaViolette would not look at a situation between a couple having a fight or disagreement, and declare the woman wasn't being battered. :dunno:

The BEST part about today was a NEW revelation that Jodi wrote a "manifesto" while in prison and had her friend make a bunch of copies that she could autograph for when she becomes famous. :shocking: He just keeps pulling this crap out of his butt. It's 3 months into the trial and we are still getting bombshells like this dropped almost daily. It's amazing and I really believe he is holding things back on purpose so he has a bomb to drop every few days just to remind the jury how nuts she is. That part of the testimony was digging into LaViolette's claim that Jodi has self-esteem issues. Which is funny because I get the impression more and more that she's actually a narcissist. Oh and he also brought out a comment that Jodi made about how excited she was to take an IQ test because she was a genius and would probably score similarly to Einstein. Seems like the woman is pretty full of herself if you ask me.

 

[CurlyNight]

So anyone know who seems to be winning in today's testimony: Juan or the violet chic? I heard she stood her ground so did he look like a big bully to the jury according to reports?

It was kind of uncomfortable to watch. I still think Juan is winning, but I could be biased because I am mesmerized by him. He asks tricky questions, that she then does not answer but constantly tries to throw in her own commentary and explanation instead of saying yes or no. I'm not really sure how other people would take it, but I kind of look at it as... this woman based her entire opinion off of what Jodi told her, which we already know was sketchy at best. She also seems to be one of those man-hating types of woman who claim that a woman is "abused" if a guy is mean to her, which to me weakens her credibility. I get the feeling that there aren't many instances where LaViolette would not look at a situation between a couple having a fight or disagreement, and declare the woman wasn't being battered. :dunno: The BEST part about today was a NEW revelation that Jodi wrote a "manifesto" while in prison and had her friend make a bunch of copies that she could autograph for when she becomes famous. :shocking: He just keeps pulling this crap out of his butt. It's 3 months into the trial and we are still getting bombshells like this dropped almost daily. It's amazing and I really believe he is holding things back on purpose so he has a bomb to drop every few days just to remind the jury how nuts she is. That part of the testimony was digging into LaViolette's claim that Jodi has self-esteem issues. Which is funny because I get the impression more and more that she's actually a narcissist. Oh and he also brought out a comment that Jodi made about how excited she was to take an IQ test because she was a genius and would probably score similarly to Einstein. Seems like the woman is pretty full of herself if you ask me.

Thanks! Man I worry about his demeanor with her. I can see him 'losing it' with psych dude cuz he was unprepared and made many mistakes but this chic is knowlegable despite her man hate and one sided Jodi info to go on. I wonder if Juan will get the folks who sent Jodi an email telling her he's done this to other gf's and to get out now (I forget their names). He should get them and Ryan on the stand for sure. I hope Juan drops a bomb blasting Jodi each day ! Narcissistic, histrionic, and borderline personality disorders fit her. I don't want the trial to end until we know of all such behaviors. I'm sure there's more to come. She can't help herself, she has to be the center of attention and has probably done/said other dumbazz things not thinking it's going to hurt her at trial. I hope juror 5 quits attending. Just would hate for that to possibly become an issue later on. I'm mesmerized by everything to do with this trial. Go Juan! If he wins he should get a big raise! Bravo for prosecuting a difficult nutcase who tested all of our patience with her snark comments and I don't remembers and fogs..

 

[Nikki2200]

I was worried about Juan going after her too much because this woman obviously does good work in her help of abuse victims. He toned it down a bit today and wasn't launching an assault on her like he was last week. Personally I think she is coming off as more and more unlikable. She's very snarky with him, and I find myself sitting here saying, "Just answer the damn question." OH this is a good one... before the trial today, she had a bunch of supporters/friends there and apparently they were sitting there and giving her a back massage like she was a fighter going into the ring.

I think there's a lot more to come tomorrow and she's already admitted several times that she was unaware of things that had happened, that Jodi testified to, but she will never come out and just admit that she based her assessment after getting one side of a story from a pathological liar.

AND... there were a bunch of motions filed today by the defense. One of which was a motion for mistrial for prosecutor misconduct for being so mean to the witnesses. But there were a few other motions against some evidence that is apparently yet to be presented, which means we are in for some serious rebuttal time and Juan has more tricks up his sleeve. I can't remember specifically what evidence was in question - something with e-mails or things that Jodi wrote, but it was certainly nothing we've seen yet. There are a lot of rumours that he has something with the gas cans - actual evidence or testimony that she had a third gas can with her. I really think before this is over, the case is going to be so strong there's not going to be any reasonable doubt that this was a premeditated cold-blooded murder.

 

[hamster_13]

He LITERALLY asked her if she had interviewed the seven dwarfs. After many multitudes of (overruled) valid objections about that entire line of questioning. And after she has stated many many times that it was just a title and had nothing to do with Snow White. We are three months in, he is getting worse everyday. And has yet to provide a motive. I don't believe this case ends how the majority want it to, sorry.

Edit: I think the reason people believe the witnesses are being combative towards Juan is twofold. He treats them with little/no respect, and has a short temper with them all. And that is caused by the way he posses his questions. He's all of the map, and tries to sneak in double-negatives to trick people. It hasn't worked on Jodi, Samuels, or ALV.

 

[Nikki2200]

He LITERALLY asked her if she had interviewed the seven dwarfs. After many multitudes of (overruled) valid objections about that entire line of questioning. And after she has stated many many times that it was just a title and had nothing to do with Snow White. We are three months in, he is getting worse everyday. And has yet to provide a motive. I don't believe this case ends how the majority want it to, sorry.Edit: I think the reason people believe the witnesses are being combative towards Juan is twofold. He treats them with little/no respect, and has a short temper with them all. And that is caused by the way he posses his questions. He's all of the map, and tries to sneak in double-negatives to trick people. It hasn't worked on Jodi, Samuels, or ALV.

I find it confusing that you don't seem to think a motive has been established. The motive is pretty clear to me. Jodi was an obsessive ex-girlfriend that has a history of stalking him - climbing through the doggy door to his house so she can sleep in his bed when he was on dates with other women, hacking into his FB and voice mail, slashing both his and a woman's tires he went out on a few dates with. Travis did not want to marry/date Jodi. She couldn't handle that. He was about to leave on a trip to Cancun with another woman after the two of them in the past had talked about going to Cancun together and he refused to bring Jodi. He was using her for sex. I get that. He was a ####ty boyfriend and as a lot of guys do, he was just using her for sex because she was probably a rock star in the sack.

How could you possibly think there was no motive? Isn't scorned lover/jealous rage stuff the most common motive there is for murder?

Juan is harsh on the witnesses. Personally for me, I kind of appreciate that. I bet his family appreciates that as well. A young man was violently murdered in cold blood and now his name, character, and reputation are being trashed on national television based on the statements made by his murderer and his murderer alone. That makes me a little angry and I wouldn't have a lot of time for listening to people do this based on no evidence and/or straight up lying through their teeth. His style may not be appealing for sensitive types, but he has a pretty good record as a prosecutor and I like the fact that he is passionate about this and isn't just going to lay down and let this all happen. I think he really may be one of those people that does what they do in the name of justice. He doesn't make very much money. I don't think the way he behaves is schtick. I get the impression that he's really POed about all this. As any rational person should be. Travis is not here to defend himself and the baseless accusations against him are really appalling. The fact that some hired quacks are willing to back up the unfounded nonsense just adds to that. I'm not saying he's perfect, but I completely understand his anger. If someone sat there and made up a bunch of crap about someone whose life had been violently ended way too soon, I don't think I'd be able to control my emotions either.

 

[bills025]

He LITERALLY asked her if she had interviewed the seven dwarfs. After many multitudes of (overruled) valid objections about that entire line of questioning. And after she has stated many many times that it was just a title and had nothing to do with Snow White. We are three months in, he is getting worse everyday. And has yet to provide a motive. I don't believe this case ends how the majority want it to, sorry.Edit: I think the reason people believe the witnesses are being combative towards Juan is twofold. He treats them with little/no respect, and has a short temper with them all. And that is caused by the way he posses his questions. He's all of the map, and tries to sneak in double-negatives to trick people. It hasn't worked on Jodi, Samuels, or ALV.

Do you think she did it? Are you making this post from a law perspective, or just someone who has been following the trial for fun?

 

[hamster_13]

He LITERALLY asked her if she had interviewed the seven dwarfs. After many multitudes of (overruled) valid objections about that entire line of questioning. And after she has stated many many times that it was just a title and had nothing to do with Snow White. We are three months in, he is getting worse everyday. And has yet to provide a motive. I don't believe this case ends how the majority want it to, sorry.Edit: I think the reason people believe the witnesses are being combative towards Juan is twofold. He treats them with little/no respect, and has a short temper with them all. And that is caused by the way he posses his questions. He's all of the map, and tries to sneak in double-negatives to trick people. It hasn't worked on Jodi, Samuels, or ALV.

I find it confusing that you don't seem to think a motive has been established. The motive is pretty clear to me. Jodi was an obsessive ex-girlfriend that has a history of stalking him - climbing through the doggy door to his house so she can sleep in his bed when he was on dates with other women, hacking into his FB and voice mail, slashing both his and a woman's tires he went out on a few dates with. Travis did not want to marry/date Jodi. She couldn't handle that. He was about to leave on a trip to Cancun with another woman after the two of them in the past had talked about going to Cancun together and he refused to bring Jodi. He was using her for sex. I get that. He was a ####ty boyfriend and as a lot of guys do, he was just using her for sex because she was probably a rock star in the sack.

How could you possibly think there was no motive? Isn't scorned lover/jealous rage stuff the most common motive there is for murder?

Juan is harsh on the witnesses. Personally for me, I kind of appreciate that. I bet his family appreciates that as well. A young man was violently murdered in cold blood and now his name, character, and reputation are being trashed on national television based on the statements made by his murderer and his murderer alone. That makes me a little angry and I wouldn't have a lot of time for listening to people do this based on no evidence and/or straight up lying through their teeth. His style may not be appealing for sensitive types, but he has a pretty good record as a prosecutor and I like the fact that he is passionate about this and isn't just going to lay down and let this all happen. I think he really may be one of those people that does what they do in the name of justice. He doesn't make very much money. I don't think the way he behaves is schtick. I get the impression that he's really POed about all this. As any rational person should be. Travis is not here to defend himself and the baseless accusations against him are really appalling. The fact that some hired quacks are willing to back up the unfounded nonsense just adds to that. I'm not saying he's perfect, but I completely understand his anger. If someone sat there and made up a bunch of crap about someone whose life had been violently ended way too soon, I don't think I'd be able to control my emotions either.

IIRC, neither of these have proof other than his "friends" saying it. All accounts also state the house was rarely, if ever, locked. There would be no reason for her to crawl through a doggy door. There are no receipts of new tires being purchased, no police report. It would have been very easy for the prosecution to get repair records from whatever tire shop, most places do it by license plate number. The reason the tire slashing hasn't been presented is because there is no proof. IMO, Travis is being trashed on national TV by his very own statements and actions. There are many examples of this. Sleeping with however many women, the 12 year girl thing, borrowing money from who knows how many people trying to keep his image. Even the gun to me doesn't prove premeditation.The onus of proof is on the prosecution. To date, I don't believe he has given us 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' I do think the defense should have focused on the forensics more.

I understand role play, I even understand the propensity to engage in anal sex. That's very common these days, and ever more so within the Mormon community. So while the media tries to run with the anal thing, I don't see it as an issue. You find a girl that's willing, you take advantage of that. BUT, you don't lie to everybody under the sun about it. Travis did just that.

Wasn't there a letter or the phone call talking about the trip to Cancun that showed Jodi was neither upset or jealous she wasn't going? I also believe he somewhat guilt tripped whomever was supposed to go, as that female had already turned down his advances. I haven't been able to watch everyday, so I don't know about FB hacking or Voicemail hacking.

I don't think they have revealed what Juan/Willmott is making for this case. Nurmi I believe is getting $250 an hour. I would guess that Juan gets something very close to that. Figuring 40 billable hours per week (no idea if that is accurate for a case of this magnitude) That is $10k a week.

He LITERALLY asked her if she had interviewed the seven dwarfs. After many multitudes of (overruled) valid objections about that entire line of questioning. And after she has stated many many times that it was just a title and had nothing to do with Snow White. We are three months in, he is getting worse everyday. And has yet to provide a motive. I don't believe this case ends how the majority want it to, sorry.Edit: I think the reason people believe the witnesses are being combative towards Juan is twofold. He treats them with little/no respect, and has a short temper with them all. And that is caused by the way he posses his questions. He's all of the map, and tries to sneak in double-negatives to trick people. It hasn't worked on Jodi, Samuels, or ALV.

Do you think she did it? Are you making this post from a law perspective, or just someone who has been following the trial for fun?

Honestly, no. I don't. I believe her intruder story is the actual story. But, that isn't the story the defense is going with, so we have to work with what we are given. I have no education in law, my opinions are based off of years of following the case as well as watching as much of the trial as I can. Obviously time will tell as to the results. Right now, to me, Juan has embarrassed himself and the State. It will be very interesting to see what he brings when it is his turn.

 

[Nikki2200]

IIRC, neither of these have proof other than his "friends" saying it. All accounts also state the house was rarely, if ever, locked. There would be no reason for her to crawl through a doggy door. There are no receipts of new tires being purchased, no police report. It would have been very easy for the prosecution to get repair records from whatever tire shop, most places do it by license plate number. The reason the tire slashing hasn't been presented is because there is no proof. IMO,

So you are saying the multitude of friends who witnessed the fact that Travis's tires were slashed twice and the woman who was dating Travis and testified on the stand under oath that her tires had been slashed whilst staying over at Travis's house were not true? I honestly don't know if there is a police report but I know it is an uncontested fact that Travis got the tires slashed on his car on two different occasions and the girl he was dating, who testified under oath about Jodi's behavior got her tires slashed once. Who in this trial is contesting that? The defense isn't even contesting that this happened. They are just trying to claim that Jodi didn't do that.

by his very own statements and actions. There are many examples of this. Sleeping with however many women, the 12 year girl thing, borrowing money from who knows how many people trying to keep his image. Even the gun to me doesn't prove premeditation.The onus of proof is on the prosecution. To date, I don't believe he has given us 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' I do think the defense should have focused on the forensics more.

OK I don't think I've figured out how to quote and respond to things so I'll just bold. What in the holy hell are you talking about? What 12 year old girl thing? Borrowing money? Borrowing money means someone is guilty of domestic violence to the point they need to be stabbed 29 times, have their throat slashed, and then shot in the face as self defense? Beyond a reasonable doubt of what? After lying for two years Jodi finally admitted that she murdered him. Because her DNA was all over the crime scene. You are saying because he slept with multiple women he somehow deserved to be stabbed 29 times, have his throat slit, and then shot in the head?

I understand role play, I even understand the propensity to engage in anal sex. That's very common these days, and ever more so within the Mormon community. So while the media tries to run with the anal thing, I don't see it as an issue. You find a girl that's willing, you take advantage of that. BUT, you don't lie to everybody under the sun about it. Travis did just that.

Wasn't there a letter or the phone call talking about the trip to Cancun that showed Jodi was neither upset or jealous she wasn't going? I also believe he somewhat guilt tripped whomever was supposed to go, as that female had already turned down his advances. I haven't been able to watch everyday, so I don't know about FB hacking or Voicemail hacking.

I don't think they have revealed what Juan/Willmott is making for this case. Nurmi I believe is getting $250 an hour. I would guess that Juan gets something very close to that. Figuring 40 billable hours per week (no idea if that is accurate for a case of this magnitude) That is $10k a week.

He LITERALLY asked her if she had interviewed the seven dwarfs. After many multitudes of (overruled) valid objections about that entire line of questioning. And after she has stated many many times that it was just a title and had nothing to do with Snow White. We are three months in, he is getting worse everyday. And has yet to provide a motive. I don't believe this case ends how the majority want it to, sorry.Edit: I think the reason people believe the witnesses are being combative towards Juan is twofold. He treats them with little/no respect, and has a short temper with them all. And that is caused by the way he posses his questions. He's all of the map, and tries to sneak in double-negatives to trick people. It hasn't worked on Jodi, Samuels, or ALV.

Do you think she did it? Are you making this post from a law perspective, or just someone who has been following the trial for fun?

Honestly, no. I don't. I believe her intruder story is the actual story. But, that isn't the story the defense is going with, so we have to work with what we are given. I have no education in law, my opinions are based off of years of following the case as well as watching as much of the trial as I can. Obviously time will tell as to the results. Right now, to me, Juan has embarrassed himself and the State. It will be very interesting to see what he brings when it is his turn.

So because Travis kept the fact from his uber religious Mormon circle of friends that he was not a virgin, that means what? As for the FB hacking, it absolutely happened. She was stalking him. The fact that you could be following this trial and be unaware of the level to which Jodi was obsessed with Travis makes me question how much you've actually been following it. Whatever. It's not even worth it. Continue to read your jodiariasisinnocent.com blogs thinking they are even remotely based in reality. It's hard to argue with the uninformed and illogical.

 

[CurlyNight]

IIRC, neither of these have proof other than his "friends" saying it. All accounts also state the house was rarely, if ever, locked. There would be no reason for her to crawl through a doggy door. There are no receipts of new tires being purchased, no police report. It would have been very easy for the prosecution to get repair records from whatever tire shop, most places do it by license plate number. The reason the tire slashing hasn't been presented is because there is no proof. IMO,

So you are saying the multitude of friends who witnessed the fact that Travis's tires were slashed twice and the woman who was dating Travis and testified on the stand under oath that her tires had been slashed whilst staying over at Travis's house were not true? I honestly don't know if there is a police report but I know it is an uncontested fact that Travis got the tires slashed on his car on two different occasions and the girl he was dating, who testified under oath about Jodi's behavior got her tires slashed once. Who in this trial is contesting that? The defense isn't even contesting that this happened. They are just trying to claim that Jodi didn't do that.

>by his very own statements and actions. There are many examples of this. Sleeping with however many women, the 12 year girl thing, borrowing money from who knows how many people trying to keep his image. Even the gun to me doesn't prove premeditation.The onus of proof is on the prosecution. To date, I don't believe he has given us 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' I do think the defense should have focused on the forensics more.

OK I don't think I've figured out how to quote and respond to things so I'll just bold. What in the holy hell are you talking about? What 12 year old girl thing? Borrowing money? Borrowing money means someone is guilty of domestic violence to the point they need to be stabbed 29 times, have their throat slashed, and then shot in the face as self defense? Beyond a reasonable doubt of what? After lying for two years Jodi finally admitted that she murdered him. Because her DNA was all over the crime scene. You are saying because he slept with multiple women he somehow deserved to be stabbed 29 times, have his throat slit, and then shot in the head?

I understand role play, I even understand the propensity to engage in anal sex. That's very common these days, and ever more so within the Mormon community. So while the media tries to run with the anal thing, I don't see it as an issue. You find a girl that's willing, you take advantage of that. BUT, you don't lie to everybody under the sun about it. Travis did just that.

Wasn't there a letter or the phone call talking about the trip to Cancun that showed Jodi was neither upset or jealous she wasn't going? I also believe he somewhat guilt tripped whomever was supposed to go, as that female had already turned down his advances. I haven't been able to watch everyday, so I don't know about FB hacking or Voicemail hacking.

I don't think they have revealed what Juan/Willmott is making for this case. Nurmi I believe is getting $250 an hour. I would guess that Juan gets something very close to that. Figuring 40 billable hours per week (no idea if that is accurate for a case of this magnitude) That is $10k a week.

He LITERALLY asked her if she had interviewed the seven dwarfs. After many multitudes of (overruled) valid objections about that entire line of questioning. And after she has stated many many times that it was just a title and had nothing to do with Snow White. We are three months in, he is getting worse everyday. And has yet to provide a motive. I don't believe this case ends how the majority want it to, sorry.Edit: I think the reason people believe the witnesses are being combative towards Juan is twofold. He treats them with little/no respect, and has a short temper with them all. And that is caused by the way he posses his questions. He's all of the map, and tries to sneak in double-negatives to trick people. It hasn't worked on Jodi, Samuels, or ALV.

Do you think she did it? Are you making this post from a law perspective, or just someone who has been following the trial for fun?

Honestly, no. I don't. I believe her intruder story is the actual story. But, that isn't the story the defense is going with, so we have to work with what we are given. I have no education in law, my opinions are based off of years of following the case as well as watching as much of the trial as I can. Obviously time will tell as to the results. Right now, to me, Juan has embarrassed himself and the State. It will be very interesting to see what he brings when it is his turn.

So because Travis kept the fact from his uber religious Mormon circle of friends that he was not a virgin, that means what? As for the FB hacking, it absolutely happened. She was stalking him. The fact that you could be following this trial and be unaware of the level to which Jodi was obsessed with Travis makes me question how much you've actually been following it. Whatever. It's not even worth it. Continue to read your jodiariasisinnocent.com blogs thinking they are even remotely based in reality. It's hard to argue with the uninformed and illogical.

There is no way Hamster is not

 

[DA RAIDERS]

so hamster, you think the ninjas did it and that she is admitting to killing him out fear of ninja repercussions to her and her family?



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[lod01]

Kermit is a master at asking questions that require the answer to favor the prosecution. That is why he gets so many of his 'yes or no' questions answered with a long speech. The answer would be yes or no, however the witness and Kermit both know that the questions are loaded. I would guess that everyone else sees it also.

 

[hamster_13]

IIRC, neither of these have proof other than his "friends" saying it. All accounts also state the house was rarely, if ever, locked. There would be no reason for her to crawl through a doggy door. There are no receipts of new tires being purchased, no police report. It would have been very easy for the prosecution to get repair records from whatever tire shop, most places do it by license plate number. The reason the tire slashing hasn't been presented is because there is no proof. IMO,

So you are saying the multitude of friends who witnessed the fact that Travis's tires were slashed twice and the woman who was dating Travis and testified on the stand under oath that her tires had been slashed whilst staying over at Travis's house were not true? I honestly don't know if there is a police report but I know it is an uncontested fact that Travis got the tires slashed on his car on two different occasions and the girl he was dating, who testified under oath about Jodi's behavior got her tires slashed once. Who in this trial is contesting that? The defense isn't even contesting that this happened. They are just trying to claim that Jodi didn't do that.

>by his very own statements and actions. There are many examples of this. Sleeping with however many women, the 12 year girl thing, borrowing money from who knows how many people trying to keep his image. Even the gun to me doesn't prove premeditation.The onus of proof is on the prosecution. To date, I don't believe he has given us 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' I do think the defense should have focused on the forensics more.

OK I don't think I've figured out how to quote and respond to things so I'll just bold. What in the holy hell are you talking about? What 12 year old girl thing? Borrowing money? Borrowing money means someone is guilty of domestic violence to the point they need to be stabbed 29 times, have their throat slashed, and then shot in the face as self defense? Beyond a reasonable doubt of what? After lying for two years Jodi finally admitted that she murdered him. Because her DNA was all over the crime scene. You are saying because he slept with multiple women he somehow deserved to be stabbed 29 times, have his throat slit, and then shot in the head?

I understand role play, I even understand the propensity to engage in anal sex. That's very common these days, and ever more so within the Mormon community. So while the media tries to run with the anal thing, I don't see it as an issue. You find a girl that's willing, you take advantage of that. BUT, you don't lie to everybody under the sun about it. Travis did just that.

Wasn't there a letter or the phone call talking about the trip to Cancun that showed Jodi was neither upset or jealous she wasn't going? I also believe he somewhat guilt tripped whomever was supposed to go, as that female had already turned down his advances. I haven't been able to watch everyday, so I don't know about FB hacking or Voicemail hacking.

I don't think they have revealed what Juan/Willmott is making for this case. Nurmi I believe is getting $250 an hour. I would guess that Juan gets something very close to that. Figuring 40 billable hours per week (no idea if that is accurate for a case of this magnitude) That is $10k a week.

He LITERALLY asked her if she had interviewed the seven dwarfs. After many multitudes of (overruled) valid objections about that entire line of questioning. And after she has stated many many times that it was just a title and had nothing to do with Snow White. We are three months in, he is getting worse everyday. And has yet to provide a motive. I don't believe this case ends how the majority want it to, sorry.Edit: I think the reason people believe the witnesses are being combative towards Juan is twofold. He treats them with little/no respect, and has a short temper with them all. And that is caused by the way he posses his questions. He's all of the map, and tries to sneak in double-negatives to trick people. It hasn't worked on Jodi, Samuels, or ALV.

Do you think she did it? Are you making this post from a law perspective, or just someone who has been following the trial for fun?

Honestly, no. I don't. I believe her intruder story is the actual story. But, that isn't the story the defense is going with, so we have to work with what we are given. I have no education in law, my opinions are based off of years of following the case as well as watching as much of the trial as I can. Obviously time will tell as to the results. Right now, to me, Juan has embarrassed himself and the State. It will be very interesting to see what he brings when it is his turn.

So because Travis kept the fact from his uber religious Mormon circle of friends that he was not a virgin, that means what? As for the FB hacking, it absolutely happened. She was stalking him. The fact that you could be following this trial and be unaware of the level to which Jodi was obsessed with Travis makes me question how much you've actually been following it. Whatever. It's not even worth it. Continue to read your jodiariasisinnocent.com blogs thinking they are even remotely based in reality. It's hard to argue with the uninformed and illogical.

And you get your news from... HLN? An entertainment station designed to milk every penny they can out of something regardless of the truth? Just like Casey Anthony, the evidence just isn't there. I realize my opinion isn't the popular one, I'm fine with that. Two months from now, we'll see which way the jury votes.

 

[Johnnymac]

The jury is never wrong?

IIRC, neither of these have proof other than his "friends" saying it. All accounts also state the house was rarely, if ever, locked. There would be no reason for her to crawl through a doggy door. There are no receipts of new tires being purchased, no police report. It would have been very easy for the prosecution to get repair records from whatever tire shop, most places do it by license plate number. The reason the tire slashing hasn't been presented is because there is no proof. IMO,

So you are saying the multitude of friends who witnessed the fact that Travis's tires were slashed twice and the woman who was dating Travis and testified on the stand under oath that her tires had been slashed whilst staying over at Travis's house were not true? I honestly don't know if there is a police report but I know it is an uncontested fact that Travis got the tires slashed on his car on two different occasions and the girl he was dating, who testified under oath about Jodi's behavior got her tires slashed once. Who in this trial is contesting that? The defense isn't even contesting that this happened. They are just trying to claim that Jodi didn't do that.

>>by his very own statements and actions. There are many examples of this. Sleeping with however many women, the 12 year girl thing, borrowing money from who knows how many people trying to keep his image. Even the gun to me doesn't prove premeditation.The onus of proof is on the prosecution. To date, I don't believe he has given us 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' I do think the defense should have focused on the forensics more.

lockquote>OK I don't think I've figured out how to quote and respond to things so I'll just bold. What in the holy hell are you talking about? What 12 year old girl thing? Borrowing money? Borrowing money means someone is guilty of domestic violence to the point they need to be stabbed 29 times, have their throat slashed, and then shot in the face as self defense? Beyond a reasonable doubt of what? After lying for two years Jodi finally admitted that she murdered him. Because her DNA was all over the crime scene. You are saying because he slept with multiple women he somehow deserved to be stabbed 29 times, have his throat slit, and then shot in the head?

>I understand role play, I even understand the propensity to engage in anal sex. That's very common these days, and ever more so within the Mormon community. So while the media tries to run with the anal thing, I don't see it as an issue. You find a girl that's willing, you take advantage of that. BUT, you don't lie to everybody under the sun about it. Travis did just that.

Wasn't there a letter or the phone call talking about the trip to Cancun that showed Jodi was neither upset or jealous she wasn't going? I also believe he somewhat guilt tripped whomever was supposed to go, as that female had already turned down his advances. I haven't been able to watch everyday, so I don't know about FB hacking or Voicemail hacking.

I don't think they have revealed what Juan/Willmott is making for this case. Nurmi I believe is getting $250 an hour. I would guess that Juan gets something very close to that. Figuring 40 billable hours per week (no idea if that is accurate for a case of this magnitude) That is $10k a week.

He LITERALLY asked her if she had interviewed the seven dwarfs. After many multitudes of (overruled) valid objections about that entire line of questioning. And after she has stated many many times that it was just a title and had nothing to do with Snow White. We are three months in, he is getting worse everyday. And has yet to provide a motive. I don't believe this case ends how the majority want it to, sorry.Edit: I think the reason people believe the witnesses are being combative towards Juan is twofold. He treats them with little/no respect, and has a short temper with them all. And that is caused by the way he posses his questions. He's all of the map, and tries to sneak in double-negatives to trick people. It hasn't worked on Jodi, Samuels, or ALV.

Do you think she did it? Are you making this post from a law perspective, or just someone who has been following the trial for fun?

Honestly, no. I don't. I believe her intruder story is the actual story. But, that isn't the story the defense is going with, so we have to work with what we are given. I have no education in law, my opinions are based off of years of following the case as well as watching as much of the trial as I can. Obviously time will tell as to the results. Right now, to me, Juan has embarrassed himself and the State. It will be very interesting to see what he brings when it is his turn.

So because Travis kept the fact from his uber religious Mormon circle of friends that he was not a virgin, that means what? As for the FB hacking, it absolutely happened. She was stalking him. The fact that you could be following this trial and be unaware of the level to which Jodi was obsessed with Travis makes me question how much you've actually been following it. Whatever. It's not even worth it. Continue to read your jodiariasisinnocent.com blogs thinking they are even remotely based in reality. It's hard to argue with the uninformed and illogical.

And you get your news from... HLN? An entertainment station designed to milk every penny they can out of something regardless of the truth? Just like Casey Anthony, the evidence just isn't there. I realize my opinion isn't the popular one, I'm fine with that. Two months from now, we'll see which way the jury votes.

 

[CurlyNight]

The jury is never wrong?

IIRC, neither of these have proof other than his "friends" saying it. All accounts also state the house was rarely, if ever, locked. There would be no reason for her to crawl through a doggy door. There are no receipts of new tires being purchased, no police report. It would have been very easy for the prosecution to get repair records from whatever tire shop, most places do it by license plate number. The reason the tire slashing hasn't been presented is because there is no proof. IMO,

So you are saying the multitude of friends who witnessed the fact that Travis's tires were slashed twice and the woman who was dating Travis and testified on the stand under oath that her tires had been slashed whilst staying over at Travis's house were not true? I honestly don't know if there is a police report but I know it is an uncontested fact that Travis got the tires slashed on his car on two different occasions and the girl he was dating, who testified under oath about Jodi's behavior got her tires slashed once. Who in this trial is contesting that? The defense isn't even contesting that this happened. They are just trying to claim that Jodi didn't do that.

>>>>by his very own statements and actions. There are many examples of this. Sleeping with however many women, the 12 year girl thing, borrowing money from who knows how many people trying to keep his image. Even the gun to me doesn't prove premeditation.The onus of proof is on the prosecution. To date, I don't believe he has given us 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' I do think the defense should have focused on the forensics more.

lockquote>OK I don't think I've figured out how to quote and respond to things so I'll just bold. What in the holy hell are you talking about? What 12 year old girl thing? Borrowing money? Borrowing money means someone is guilty of domestic violence to the point they need to be stabbed 29 times, have their throat slashed, and then shot in the face as self defense? Beyond a reasonable doubt of what? After lying for two years Jodi finally admitted that she murdered him. Because her DNA was all over the crime scene. You are saying because he slept with multiple women he somehow deserved to be stabbed 29 times, have his throat slit, and then shot in the head?

>I understand role play, I even understand the propensity to engage in anal sex. That's very common these days, and ever more so within the Mormon community. So while the media tries to run with the anal thing, I don't see it as an issue. You find a girl that's willing, you take advantage of that. BUT, you don't lie to everybody under the sun about it. Travis did just that.

Wasn't there a letter or the phone call talking about the trip to Cancun that showed Jodi was neither upset or jealous she wasn't going? I also believe he somewhat guilt tripped whomever was supposed to go, as that female had already turned down his advances. I haven't been able to watch everyday, so I don't know about FB hacking or Voicemail hacking.

I don't think they have revealed what Juan/Willmott is making for this case. Nurmi I believe is getting $250 an hour. I would guess that Juan gets something very close to that. Figuring 40 billable hours per week (no idea if that is accurate for a case of this magnitude) That is $10k a week.

He LITERALLY asked her if she had interviewed the seven dwarfs. After many multitudes of (overruled) valid objections about that entire line of questioning. And after she has stated many many times that it was just a title and had nothing to do with Snow White. We are three months in, he is getting worse everyday. And has yet to provide a motive. I don't believe this case ends how the majority want it to, sorry.Edit: I think the reason people believe the witnesses are being combative towards Juan is twofold. He treats them with little/no respect, and has a short temper with them all. And that is caused by the way he posses his questions. He's all of the map, and tries to sneak in double-negatives to trick people. It hasn't worked on Jodi, Samuels, or ALV.

Do you think she did it? Are you making this post from a law perspective, or just someone who has been following the trial for fun?

Honestly, no. I don't. I believe her intruder story is the actual story. But, that isn't the story the defense is going with, so we have to work with what we are given. I have no education in law, my opinions are based off of years of following the case as well as watching as much of the trial as I can. Obviously time will tell as to the results. Right now, to me, Juan has embarrassed himself and the State. It will be very interesting to see what he brings when it is his turn.

So because Travis kept the fact from his uber religious Mormon circle of friends that he was not a virgin, that means what? As for the FB hacking, it absolutely happened. She was stalking him. The fact that you could be following this trial and be unaware of the level to which Jodi was obsessed with Travis makes me question how much you've actually been following it. Whatever. It's not even worth it. Continue to read your jodiariasisinnocent.com blogs thinking they are even remotely based in reality. It's hard to argue with the uninformed and illogical.

And you get your news from... HLN? An entertainment station designed to milk every penny they can out of something regardless of the truth? Just like Casey Anthony, the evidence just isn't there. I realize my opinion isn't the popular one, I'm fine with that. Two months from now, we'll see which way the jury votes.

Are you aware that live testimony is televised? Every minute of the trial is televised. That's how we are getting information- from watching live testimony that happens to be televised on HLN..

 

[moderated]

this will likely be an easy 1st degree murder conviction (doubt the death penalty though), but this prosecutor is doing an awful job with his demeanor. some of the witnesses deserved the condescending treatment but he's coming off really badly with the current lady.

 

[Godsbrother]

She admitted to killing him, trying to covering it up and her bloody fingerprints are on the scene. There couldn't be any more evidence.

And you get your news from... HLN? An entertainment station designed to milk every penny they can out of something regardless of the truth? Just like Casey Anthony, the evidence just isn't there. I realize my opinion isn't the popular one, I'm fine with that. Two months from now, we'll see which way the jury votes.

 

[Nikki2200]

I need to figure out how to quote properly because that is a big old mess up there.

Yea. And I really don't understand where hamster is coming from. There's no evidence? That's all there is - piles and piles of evidence, even some new evidence emerging every day. Jodi's not even claiming she didn't do it. She's claiming it was self-defense because that's all she has. Declaring he was somehow abusing her from another state and she feared for her life AFTER she showed up at his house uninvited and that somehow led to him threatening her life. Which of course would elicit the normal response of stabbing him 29 times, slashing his throat, and then shooting him in the face.

 

[hamster_13]

This trial isn't about guilt or innocence of murder. It's about premeditation. That is what I am saying there is no proof of. It is not the defenses job to prove self defense. It is their job to cast shadow of doubt against premed, and they have done that in spades to this point. Of course her DNA is in his home, she was there often. The brutality of the murder lends itself MORE to it being done by more than one person.

Also, HLN is NOT showing "every minute" of this. They did not show last Thursday 30 minutes of Snow White cross examination. Why? Because it was insanely embarrassing to the agenda they are trying to push. By watching HLN, you are not forming your own opinion, you are being influenced by what their reporters are saying as well.

To quote properly, just make sure your reply is outside of the little boxes on the quoted text. It is a little difficult to see. To bold things, just highlight whatever and click the bold button.

 

[Nikki2200]

This trial isn't about guilt or innocence of murder. It's about premeditation. That is what I am saying there is no proof of. It is not the defenses job to prove self defense. It is their job to cast shadow of doubt against premed, and they have done that in spades to this point. Of course her DNA is in his home, she was there often. The brutality of the murder lends itself MORE to it being done by more than one person.

Also, HLN is NOT showing "every minute" of this. They did not show last Thursday 30 minutes of Snow White cross examination. Why? Because it was insanely embarrassing to the agenda they are trying to push. By watching HLN, you are not forming your own opinion, you are being influenced by what their reporters are saying as well.

To quote properly, just make sure your reply is outside of the little boxes on the quoted text. It is a little difficult to see. To bold things, just highlight whatever and click the bold button.

I was more talking about the ability to break apart the quote into different pieces. That used to be [.quote], but I don't know how to do that with the new format.

As for the DNA... Jodi's DNA is mixed into the blood at the crime scene. Her finger prints and palm prints IN THE BLOOD were all over the room. The only reason Jodi gave up on the ninja story was because there was overwhelming physical evidence that she was the one who committed the murder. I don't think that I'm the one that is being mislead by the sources I am using to watch this case.

 

[CurlyNight]

"If you were in my group I'd give you a time out." ...says the violet to Juan. Judge basically told her to knock it off and answer the question. You either love Juan or hate him. I love him! Seems she is being knocked down a bit by Juan.

Side bar: Today is a purplish color palate for the defense team.

 

[Nikki2200]

Oh boy. Apparently LaViolette was the one who originally suggested to Jodi that she was using sex to quell Travis's anger.

Oh boy.

 

[hamster_13]

This trial isn't about guilt or innocence of murder. It's about premeditation. That is what I am saying there is no proof of. It is not the defenses job to prove self defense. It is their job to cast shadow of doubt against premed, and they have done that in spades to this point. Of course her DNA is in his home, she was there often. The brutality of the murder lends itself MORE to it being done by more than one person.

Also, HLN is NOT showing "every minute" of this. They did not show last Thursday 30 minutes of Snow White cross examination. Why? Because it was insanely embarrassing to the agenda they are trying to push. By watching HLN, you are not forming your own opinion, you are being influenced by what their reporters are saying as well.

To quote properly, just make sure your reply is outside of the little boxes on the quoted text. It is a little difficult to see. To bold things, just highlight whatever and click the bold button.

I was more talking about the ability to break apart the quote into different pieces. That used to be [.quote], but I don't know how to do that with the new format.

As for the DNA... Jodi's DNA is mixed into the blood at the crime scene. Her finger prints and palm prints IN THE BLOOD were all over the room. The only reason Jodi gave up on the ninja story was because there was overwhelming physical evidence that she was the one who committed the murder. I don't think that I'm the one that is being mislead by the sources I am using to watch this case.

Oh. Use the MultiQuote Function for that. You have to click MultiQuote for each post, and it should break it up for you.

 

[CurlyNight]

So on HLN After Dark at 10pm ET is the question of premeditation. Good to see to refresh the memory since soooo much time is spent on other stuff.

 

[Johnnymac]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

 

[CurlyNight]

Man some folks are asking the violet if she's ok after Juan's attacks. I think in Anthony's case the prosecutor was Juan like and look what happened there. <_<

 

[CurlyNight]

Judge notified jurors that they will be working some Fridays, starting with this one. Thurs will be a short day. The trial is going until minimum 5/3 (as that's a Friday jurors need to set aside). This actually isn't too bad considering it's a death sentence case. Didn't Spectra's trial go for 6 months? Someone's did not long ago and it wasn't death penalty.

 

[hamster_13]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

The 25 caliber handgun that has not been proven to be the stolen one? Or the gas cans for driving long stretches of desert, as a female, by herself?

 

[lod01]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

The 25 caliber handgun that has not been proven to be the stolen one? Or the gas cans for driving long stretches of desert, as a female, by herself?

The defense would have loved to tie the gas cans AND the gun to the trip thru the desert. Gun for protection. Unfortunately they couldn't as she totally screwed up by talking to the cops without a lawyer.

 

[lod01]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

gun is a non factor. Sure she shot him. She admitted it but they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the gun wasn't already there on the shelf. They don't have the gun. If they had the gun, it would be case closed.

 

[Johnnymac]

She was not supposed to be driving through the desert Hamster. Her trip was to Utah, not Arizona. And it's just a coincidence that a 25 caliber gun was reportedly stolen from her grandfathers house 4 days before the murder? It's murder one and she should be put to death.

 

[Nikki2200]

There's more to come with the gas cans and the shelves in the closet WRT the likelihood that the gun came from the top shelf.

 

[Nikki2200]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

gun is a non factor. Sure she shot him. She admitted it but they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the gun wasn't already there on the shelf. They don't have the gun. If they had the gun, it would be case closed.

This is CSI Effect stuff. I don't consider there to be a reasonable doubt that the gun, of the same caliber that was used in the murder, that disappeared from her grandparents house days before the murder was committed, was not the gun that was used. It would not be a reasonable coincidence for something like that to happen.

Throw in all the lies she told about the gun and Travis owning one in the first place, the complete improbability that the story happened the way she said it did, the shelves, the undisturbed contents of the closet.... and there is no reasonable doubt at all for me.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Do you think she did it? Are you making this post from a law perspective, or just someone who has been following the trial for fun?

Honestly, no. I don't. I believe her intruder story is the actual story. But, that isn't the story the defense is going with, so we have to work with what we are given. I have no education in law, my opinions are based off of years of following the case as well as watching as much of the trial as I can. Obviously time will tell as to the results. Right now, to me, Juan has embarrassed himself and the State. It will be very interesting to see what he brings when it is his turn.

so hamster, you think the ninjas did it and that she is admitting to killing him out fear of ninja repercussions to her and her family?



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This trial isn't about guilt or innocence of murder. It's about premeditation. That is what I am saying there is no proof of. It is not the defenses job to prove self defense. It is their job to cast shadow of doubt against premed, and they have done that in spades to this point. Of course her DNA is in his home, she was there often. The brutality of the murder lends itself MORE to it being done by more than one person.

so which one is it? the ninjas did it? or it's a trial about premeditation? (which is what it is)

 

[CurlyNight]

Anyone notice little things watching this thing when it gets zzzzzzzzzzzzz? I think Jennifer has colored her hair at least 3 times: reddish, brown, and now a darker brown with blond highlights. Wonder what color is next!

 

[hamster_13]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

gun is a non factor. Sure she shot him. She admitted it but they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the gun wasn't already there on the shelf. They don't have the gun. If they had the gun, it would be case closed.

This is CSI Effect stuff. I don't consider there to be a reasonable doubt that the gun, of the same caliber that was used in the murder, that disappeared from her grandparents house days before the murder was committed, was not the gun that was used. It would not be a reasonable coincidence for something like that to happen.

Throw in all the lies she told about the gun and Travis owning one in the first place, the complete improbability that the story happened the way she said it did, the shelves, the undisturbed contents of the closet.... and there is no reasonable doubt at all for me.

Travis' mom owned a gun. She shot up his dads car with it. Nobody knows where that gun went (or the caliber) or who possesses it at this point. The gun stolen from her grandparents house is a .25 according to grandpa, and .22 according to her dad. Reasonable doubt, done.

 

[Nikki2200]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

gun is a non factor. Sure she shot him. She admitted it but they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the gun wasn't already there on the shelf. They don't have the gun. If they had the gun, it would be case closed.

This is CSI Effect stuff. I don't consider there to be a reasonable doubt that the gun, of the same caliber that was used in the murder, that disappeared from her grandparents house days before the murder was committed, was not the gun that was used. It would not be a reasonable coincidence for something like that to happen.

Throw in all the lies she told about the gun and Travis owning one in the first place, the complete improbability that the story happened the way she said it did, the shelves, the undisturbed contents of the closet.... and there is no reasonable doubt at all for me.

Travis' mom owned a gun. She shot up his dads car with it. Nobody knows where that gun went (or the caliber) or who possesses it at this point. The gun stolen from her grandparents house is a .25 according to grandpa, and .22 according to her dad. Reasonable doubt, done.

Travis's mother died in 2005; his father died in 1997. Are you saying there is reasonable doubt that Travis did not have a gun because his parents, whom he had not lived with since he was 8 years old (1985), at some point prior to 1997 owned a gun of unknown caliber? Besides the fact that this is pretty ludicrous to even mention, it hasn't been mentioned at all in this case by anyone. So how exactly will that cast reasonable doubt when this mysterious gun that disappeared in the 1990s hasn't even been presented to the jury?

 

[hamster_13]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

gun is a non factor. Sure she shot him. She admitted it but they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the gun wasn't already there on the shelf. They don't have the gun. If they had the gun, it would be case closed.

This is CSI Effect stuff. I don't consider there to be a reasonable doubt that the gun, of the same caliber that was used in the murder, that disappeared from her grandparents house days before the murder was committed, was not the gun that was used. It would not be a reasonable coincidence for something like that to happen.

Throw in all the lies she told about the gun and Travis owning one in the first place, the complete improbability that the story happened the way she said it did, the shelves, the undisturbed contents of the closet.... and there is no reasonable doubt at all for me.

Travis' mom owned a gun. She shot up his dads car with it. Nobody knows where that gun went (or the caliber) or who possesses it at this point. The gun stolen from her grandparents house is a .25 according to grandpa, and .22 according to her dad. Reasonable doubt, done.

Travis's mother died in 2005; his father died in 1997. Are you saying there is reasonable doubt that Travis did not have a gun because his parents, whom he had not lived with since he was 8 years old (1985), at some point prior to 1997 owned a gun of unknown caliber? Besides the fact that this is pretty ludicrous to even mention, it hasn't been mentioned at all in this case by anyone. So how exactly will that cast reasonable doubt when this mysterious gun that disappeared in the 1990s hasn't even been presented to the jury?

I don't know. Everybody else on this page likes to refer to non-evidence to vilify Jodi, why can't I do the same to support the defense side?