Jodi Arias case (1 Viewer)

[Nikki2200]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

gun is a non factor. Sure she shot him. She admitted it but they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the gun wasn't already there on the shelf. They don't have the gun. If they had the gun, it would be case closed.

This is CSI Effect stuff. I don't consider there to be a reasonable doubt that the gun, of the same caliber that was used in the murder, that disappeared from her grandparents house days before the murder was committed, was not the gun that was used. It would not be a reasonable coincidence for something like that to happen.

Throw in all the lies she told about the gun and Travis owning one in the first place, the complete improbability that the story happened the way she said it did, the shelves, the undisturbed contents of the closet.... and there is no reasonable doubt at all for me.

Travis' mom owned a gun. She shot up his dads car with it. Nobody knows where that gun went (or the caliber) or who possesses it at this point. The gun stolen from her grandparents house is a .25 according to grandpa, and .22 according to her dad. Reasonable doubt, done.

Travis's mother died in 2005; his father died in 1997. Are you saying there is reasonable doubt that Travis did not have a gun because his parents, whom he had not lived with since he was 8 years old (1985), at some point prior to 1997 owned a gun of unknown caliber? Besides the fact that this is pretty ludicrous to even mention, it hasn't been mentioned at all in this case by anyone. So how exactly will that cast reasonable doubt when this mysterious gun that disappeared in the 1990s hasn't even been presented to the jury?

I don't know. Everybody else on this page likes to refer to non-evidence to vilify Jodi, why can't I do the same to support the defense side?

For example?

 

[Patrick Bateman]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

gun is a non factor. Sure she shot him. She admitted it but they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the gun wasn't already there on the shelf. They don't have the gun. If they had the gun, it would be case closed.

This is CSI Effect stuff. I don't consider there to be a reasonable doubt that the gun, of the same caliber that was used in the murder, that disappeared from her grandparents house days before the murder was committed, was not the gun that was used. It would not be a reasonable coincidence for something like that to happen.

Throw in all the lies she told about the gun and Travis owning one in the first place, the complete improbability that the story happened the way she said it did, the shelves, the undisturbed contents of the closet.... and there is no reasonable doubt at all for me.

Travis' mom owned a gun. She shot up his dads car with it. Nobody knows where that gun went (or the caliber) or who possesses it at this point. The gun stolen from her grandparents house is a .25 according to grandpa, and .22 according to her dad. Reasonable doubt, done.

Travis's mother died in 2005; his father died in 1997. Are you saying there is reasonable doubt that Travis did not have a gun because his parents, whom he had not lived with since he was 8 years old (1985), at some point prior to 1997 owned a gun of unknown caliber? Besides the fact that this is pretty ludicrous to even mention, it hasn't been mentioned at all in this case by anyone. So how exactly will that cast reasonable doubt when this mysterious gun that disappeared in the 1990s hasn't even been presented to the jury?

I don't know. Everybody else on this page likes to refer to non-evidence to vilify Jodi, why can't I do the same to support the defense side?

For example?

Right....You have nothing. Jodi is a sociopath at the very least. It's obvious that she has swindled the defense "experts" . It's a shame that the jury cannot see all of the video, and evidence that we see every day. Jodi stalked him, abused him, and manipulated him. This defense witness Violette knows this, and is perpetuating the lies of Jodi Arias because she is getting paid $300 an hour. She is not objective by any means. She continues to battle Mr. Martinez, as if it's a personal vendetta. She has her own support group in the audience. They encourage her, and give her pep talks and massages before she testifies. I've never seen anything like it. Pathetic. It's not about Travis, and what happened, it's about her own ego! She is quick to remember questions from the defense, but somehow can't remember any specifics when the prosecution questions her. It's obvious that she is biased.

 

[Johnnymac]

Where is her evidence of domestic violence? It al comes from the defendant. It's pathetic that this lady is being paid $300/hr for her "expert" testimony.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

just gonna ignore my questions hamster?

 

[Nikki2200]

just gonna ignore my questions hamster?

I actually don't think he's fishing. He spends a lot of time on that jodi is innocent website (at least he said that), and his views reflect some of the types of things I've seen on there. They tend to do their own interwebs research looking for smoking guns, such as this strange fact that Travis's deceased parents apparently were in a possession of a gun in the 90s, and run with them to enforce their belief that she is innocent. So IMO, I don't really think he is fishing. I think he's just really misinformed because he is getting his info from a place that is made up of people that are extremely biased and often illogical.

 

[Nikki2200]

Where is her evidence of domestic violence? It al comes from the defendant. It's pathetic that this lady is being paid $300/hr for her "expert" testimony.

I personally find it more offensive that this woman is willing to sit on the stand under oath and being recorded on National TV, trashing the name of the victim of a violent murder. All based on what the murderer told her and nothing else at all. Not one piece of physical evidence of pedophilia or domestic violence, and not one other person in the whole wide world that can corroborate any of it. It's really pretty sickening.

And on another level of just complete professional impropriety, we have Miss LaViolette showing up with an entourage of supporters every day giving her pep talks and massages before she takes the stand. She is getting paid for this. This is her job. She is supposed to be an unbiased independent expert, why is she treating this as a battle? She's clearly picked a side. Can you imagine if you brought a group of friends to work with you every day for moral support? It's absurd.

I do not like this woman.

 

[Johnnymac]

I have yet to hear Violet say one bad thing about the defendant. How is that possible?

 

[hamster_13]

Do you think she did it? Are you making this post from a law perspective, or just someone who has been following the trial for fun?

Honestly, no. I don't. I believe her intruder story is the actual story. But, that isn't the story the defense is going with, so we have to work with what we are given. I have no education in law, my opinions are based off of years of following the case as well as watching as much of the trial as I can. Obviously time will tell as to the results. Right now, to me, Juan has embarrassed himself and the State. It will be very interesting to see what he brings when it is his turn.

>so hamster, you think the ninjas did it and that she is admitting to killing him out fear of ninja repercussions to her and her family?



riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

This trial isn't about guilt or innocence of murder. It's about premeditation. That is what I am saying there is no proof of. It is not the defenses job to prove self defense. It is their job to cast shadow of doubt against premed, and they have done that in spades to this point. Of course her DNA is in his home, she was there often. The brutality of the murder lends itself MORE to it being done by more than one person.

so which one is it? the ninjas did it? or it's a trial about premeditation? (which is what it is)

Both? One is the story I believe to be true, the other is the story we are presented with. And Nikki2200 is correct, I am not fishing. I am seeking and finding information about the case that makes sense to me. I did watch the HLN coverage until the beginning of March. I found it to be very one sided, so I found another source. Now I just watch the live feed on AZCentral. I am also basing my opinions on the fact that, to date, beyond a reasonable doubt has not been proven to me. But, we are only ~70% of the way through the trial. Maybe he actually has something he hasn't presented.

 

[CurlyNight]

Hamster: You believe the intruder story? You cannot be serious. If that was the real story there is no way she wouldn't plea not guilty. There is no logical reason for the her and defense team to before the trial to offer a plea of murder 2. Juan said no because he believes this is a death penalty case as does majority of the nation following this case.

Looks like the violet is becoming a bit useless for the defense. She's still better than psych dude but nonetheless... I wish Juan would dial it down! All it takes is for 1 juror to be offended by Juan's attack and not go in his favor despite the evidence.

 

[lod01]

Hamster: You believe the intruder story? You cannot be serious. If that was the real story there is no way she wouldn't plea not guilty. There is no logical reason for the her and defense team to before the trial to offer a plea of murder 2. Juan said no because he believes this is a death penalty case as does majority of the nation following this case.

Looks like the violet is becoming a bit useless for the defense. She's still better than psych dude but nonetheless... I wish Juan would dial it down! All it takes is for 1 juror to be offended by Juan's attack and not go in his favor despite the evidence.

Agree on the all it takes is one juror. From what I understand, this is his technique and it has worked well so far in previous cases so i doubt he would change his delivery. It is a little risky, especially with an abuse expert.

 

[Nikki2200]

Hamster: You believe the intruder story? You cannot be serious. If that was the real story there is no way she wouldn't plea not guilty. There is no logical reason for the her and defense team to before the trial to offer a plea of murder 2. Juan said no because he believes this is a death penalty case as does majority of the nation following this case.

Looks like the violet is becoming a bit useless for the defense. She's still better than psych dude but nonetheless... I wish Juan would dial it down! All it takes is for 1 juror to be offended by Juan's attack and not go in his favor despite the evidence.

Agree on the all it takes is one juror. From what I understand, this is his technique and it has worked well so far in previous cases so i doubt he would change his delivery. It is a little risky, especially with an abuse expert.

He apparently has a stellar record and is Arizona's ringer on DP cases. It probably depends on the jury, but I personally don't think it's that big of an issue. You don't need to like Juan Martinez to find her guilty of Murder One.

 

[lod01]

There are two HUGE factors that prove premeditation. The 25 caliber handgun and the gas cans. Case closed.

gun is a non factor. Sure she shot him. She admitted it but they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the gun wasn't already there on the shelf. They don't have the gun. If they had the gun, it would be case closed.

This is CSI Effect stuff. I don't consider there to be a reasonable doubt that the gun, of the same caliber that was used in the murder, that disappeared from her grandparents house days before the murder was committed, was not the gun that was used. It would not be a reasonable coincidence for something like that to happen.

Throw in all the lies she told about the gun and Travis owning one in the first place, the complete improbability that the story happened the way she said it did, the shelves, the undisturbed contents of the closet.... and there is no reasonable doubt at all for me.

Logically you are correct. Anyone thinking logically would come to the conclusion that the stolen gun IS the murder weapon and screams pre-meditaition. But they can't PROVE it's the gun because they have no gun. This is one of the things the defense hopes will help them. The possibility that it wasn't the gun and the gun WAS at the house already.......which we know it wasn't. But for a juror, ask yourself what happens if you go with death and she is executed and THEN they find the murder weapon and it isn't the one stolen from the grandparents. There's your reasonable doubt. They cling to that hoping 1 or more jurors will come to that conclusion.

 

[CurlyNight]

Hamster: You believe the intruder story? You cannot be serious. If that was the real story there is no way she wouldn't plea not guilty. There is no logical reason for the her and defense team to before the trial to offer a plea of murder 2. Juan said no because he believes this is a death penalty case as does majority of the nation following this case.

Looks like the violet is becoming a bit useless for the defense. She's still better than psych dude but nonetheless... I wish Juan would dial it down! All it takes is for 1 juror to be offended by Juan's attack and not go in his favor despite the evidence.

Agree on the all it takes is one juror. From what I understand, this is his technique and it has worked well so far in previous cases so i doubt he would change his delivery. It is a little risky, especially with an abuse expert.

He apparently has a stellar record and is Arizona's ringer on DP cases. It probably depends on the jury, but I personally don't think it's that big of an issue. You don't need to like Juan Martinez to find her guilty of Murder One.

Like Lod01 says, the concern is this witness is an abuse expert and he's verbally "abusing" her in many minds. I can't wait to see who Juan brings as his witnesses! Please bring at least Ryan and those folks who wrote that 'get out now' email to Jodi!

 

[lod01]

Anyone notice little things watching this thing when it gets zzzzzzzzzzzzz? I think Jennifer has colored her hair at least 3 times: reddish, brown, and now a darker brown with blond highlights. Wonder what color is next!

I bet she has 3-hole wonder abilities in her. She's hot. I wouldn't even pay any attention to this trial if Jodi wasn't a 3 holer and Jennifer wasn't smoking hot too.

 

[hamster_13]

Hamster: You believe the intruder story? You cannot be serious. If that was the real story there is no way she wouldn't plea not guilty. There is no logical reason for the her and defense team to before the trial to offer a plea of murder 2. Juan said no because he believes this is a death penalty case as does majority of the nation following this case.

Looks like the violet is becoming a bit useless for the defense. She's still better than psych dude but nonetheless... I wish Juan would dial it down! All it takes is for 1 juror to be offended by Juan's attack and not go in his favor despite the evidence.

Agree on the all it takes is one juror. From what I understand, this is his technique and it has worked well so far in previous cases so i doubt he would change his delivery. It is a little risky, especially with an abuse expert.

He apparently has a stellar record and is Arizona's ringer on DP cases. It probably depends on the jury, but I personally don't think it's that big of an issue. You don't need to like Juan Martinez to find her guilty of Murder One.

Like Lod01 says, the concern is this witness is an abuse expert and he's verbally "abusing" her in many minds. I can't wait to see who Juan brings as his witnesses! Please bring at least Ryan and those folks who wrote that 'get out now' email to Jodi!

As far as I know, the only person he plans on calling is an MSU grad from 2008. That does something in psychology but IIRC, focuses on clients in their early teen years. I'll see if I can find her information.

 

[DougGlatt]

I might actually give Hamster some credit if he didn't go with the ninja story being the real thing. Not one shred of evidence that anyone else was involved. She admitted that it was a lie, and all evidence points to her. Which is why she changed her story to self defense. Anyone who believes the ninja story is either or

 

[lod01]

I might actually give Hamster some credit if he didn't go with the ninja story being the real thing. Not one shred of evidence that anyone else was involved. She admitted that it was a lie, and all evidence points to her. Which is why she changed her story to self defense. Anyone who believes the ninja story is either or

On top of that, she would have thrown anyone under the bus if they were there. I mean anyone. She admitted she pulled the trigger. There are no ninjas. Had she not blabbered about 2 other ficticious stories and instead requested an attorney, she would do a max of 2nd degree.

 

[DougGlatt]

I might actually give Hamster some credit if he didn't go with the ninja story being the real thing. Not one shred of evidence that anyone else was involved. She admitted that it was a lie, and all evidence points to her. Which is why she changed her story to self defense. Anyone who believes the ninja story is either or

On top of that, she would have thrown anyone under the bus if they were there. I mean anyone. She admitted she pulled the trigger. There are no ninjas. Had she not blabbered about 2 other ficticious stories and instead requested an attorney, she would do a max of 2nd degree.

Maybe, maybe not.

What's lost in all the lies, sex talk, expert witnesses, prosecutor, defense team, sidebars, tv drama is the real question for me.

Did she plan it? Nobody could convince me that it was self defense. If you shoot someone in the head, stab them 27 times in the back and try to decapitate them, you've gone beyond any reasonable defense. Murder 2 is a given. But what I want to know more about is the gas cans, trip from Cal, rental car, gun ownership, knife, etc. I want to know more about those and I think that is the real story and is lost on all this other

 

[Nikki2200]

Hamster: You believe the intruder story? You cannot be serious. If that was the real story there is no way she wouldn't plea not guilty. There is no logical reason for the her and defense team to before the trial to offer a plea of murder 2. Juan said no because he believes this is a death penalty case as does majority of the nation following this case.

Looks like the violet is becoming a bit useless for the defense. She's still better than psych dude but nonetheless... I wish Juan would dial it down! All it takes is for 1 juror to be offended by Juan's attack and not go in his favor despite the evidence.

Agree on the all it takes is one juror. From what I understand, this is his technique and it has worked well so far in previous cases so i doubt he would change his delivery. It is a little risky, especially with an abuse expert.

He apparently has a stellar record and is Arizona's ringer on DP cases. It probably depends on the jury, but I personally don't think it's that big of an issue. You don't need to like Juan Martinez to find her guilty of Murder One.

Like Lod01 says, the concern is this witness is an abuse expert and he's verbally "abusing" her in many minds. I can't wait to see who Juan brings as his witnesses! Please bring at least Ryan and those folks who wrote that 'get out now' email to Jodi!

As far as I know, the only person he plans on calling is an MSU grad from 2008. That does something in psychology but IIRC, focuses on clients in their early teen years. I'll see if I can find her information.

He's definitely calling more people than that. He's submitted a bunch of evidence he plans on presenting and there are multiple motions filed by the defense. The trial is going to go until at least May 3. He will be presenting something about the gas cans, the shelving in the closet, and I believe some of the e-mails that keep being mentioned.

And he has a psych expert to rebut what the defense's experts are saying.

 

[CurlyNight]

Hamster: You believe the intruder story? You cannot be serious. If that was the real story there is no way she wouldn't plea not guilty. There is no logical reason for the her and defense team to before the trial to offer a plea of murder 2. Juan said no because he believes this is a death penalty case as does majority of the nation following this case.

Looks like the violet is becoming a bit useless for the defense. She's still better than psych dude but nonetheless... I wish Juan would dial it down! All it takes is for 1 juror to be offended by Juan's attack and not go in his favor despite the evidence.

Agree on the all it takes is one juror. From what I understand, this is his technique and it has worked well so far in previous cases so i doubt he would change his delivery. It is a little risky, especially with an abuse expert.

He apparently has a stellar record and is Arizona's ringer on DP cases. It probably depends on the jury, but I personally don't think it's that big of an issue. You don't need to like Juan Martinez to find her guilty of Murder One.

Like Lod01 says, the concern is this witness is an abuse expert and he's verbally "abusing" her in many minds. I can't wait to see who Juan brings as his witnesses! Please bring at least Ryan and those folks who wrote that 'get out now' email to Jodi!

As far as I know, the only person he plans on calling is an MSU grad from 2008. That does something in psychology but IIRC, focuses on clients in their early teen years. I'll see if I can find her information.

He's definitely calling more people than that. He's submitted a bunch of evidence he plans on presenting and there are multiple motions filed by the defense. The trial is going to go until at least May 3. He will be presenting something about the gas cans, the shelving in the closet, and I believe some of the e-mails that keep being mentioned.

And he has a psych expert to rebut what the defense's experts are saying.

Let's get this chic off the stand and let's go Martinez! Hopefully all the motions will be denied! I mean the judge is letting pretty much everything go in this trial so don't stop now!

 

[hamster_13]

I might actually give Hamster some credit if he didn't go with the ninja story being the real thing. Not one shred of evidence that anyone else was involved. She admitted that it was a lie, and all evidence points to her. Which is why she changed her story to self defense. Anyone who believes the ninja story is either or

Here is my line of thought. She doesn't remember how it all it happened. She's a photographer. If she took the gun and knife, she would be smart enough to know that simply deleting photos doesn't erase them. Washing an SD card more than likely does not damage it. The camera was found on top of the washer load. Heavy camera, would sink to the bottom. How did it move? There were bloody clothes in BOTH the washer and dryer. I don't think either side has stated how long she stayed to try and clean up. Assuming his house was built in the early 2000's, the washer and dryer were installed along with the build, so he likely doesn't have the super efficient machines. That first load in the washer took at least an hour, maybe a little longer.

One of his roommates was off work that day, and has stated he was in and out of the house many times all day. Same roommates stated he saw Travis alive after the day of the murder, as well as doing laundry after the death occurred He changed this story back and forth more than once. Then he changed his story once he heard when Travis died. Travis' dog, who fed it? It had to have been going frantic the whole time. All of his friends immediately pointed their finger at Jodi, and their stories are almost word for word the same, that's fishy to me. It took five days to report it to police. There was cleaning product left out, and somebody stated a sport looked and felt like it had been cleaned recently (a railing I believe) The roommates walked by the washer and dryer into the garage. They didn't notice any blood spots?

If he was truly messing around with 11 different women, some of them surely thought it was more than just sex. It's also likely at least a few of them were married. Husbands get suspicious. He also owned many different people money. There is motive for more than one party here I believe.

And more than anything, the sheer brutality of the murder. Historically, female murders are pretty clean overall. The extreme overkill does not equal a single females rage, to me.

 

[lod01]

I might actually give Hamster some credit if he didn't go with the ninja story being the real thing. Not one shred of evidence that anyone else was involved. She admitted that it was a lie, and all evidence points to her. Which is why she changed her story to self defense. Anyone who believes the ninja story is either or

Here is my line of thought. She doesn't remember how it all it happened. She's a photographer. If she took the gun and knife, she would be smart enough to know that simply deleting photos doesn't erase them. Washing an SD card more than likely does not damage it. The camera was found on top of the washer load. Heavy camera, would sink to the bottom. How did it move? There were bloody clothes in BOTH the washer and dryer. I don't think either side has stated how long she stayed to try and clean up. Assuming his house was built in the early 2000's, the washer and dryer were installed along with the build, so he likely doesn't have the super efficient machines. That first load in the washer took at least an hour, maybe a little longer.

One of his roommates was off work that day, and has stated he was in and out of the house many times all day. Same roommates stated he saw Travis alive after the day of the murder, as well as doing laundry after the death occurred He changed this story back and forth more than once. Then he changed his story once he heard when Travis died. Travis' dog, who fed it? It had to have been going frantic the whole time. All of his friends immediately pointed their finger at Jodi, and their stories are almost word for word the same, that's fishy to me. It took five days to report it to police. There was cleaning product left out, and somebody stated a sport looked and felt like it had been cleaned recently (a railing I believe) The roommates walked by the washer and dryer into the garage. They didn't notice any blood spots?

If he was truly messing around with 11 different women, some of them surely thought it was more than just sex. It's also likely at least a few of them were married. Husbands get suspicious. He also owned many different people money. There is motive for more than one party here I believe.

And more than anything, the sheer brutality of the murder. Historically, female murders are pretty clean overall. The extreme overkill does not equal a single females rage, to me.

C'mon dude, she admitted to shooting him after 2 lies blew up in her face.

 

[Nikki2200]

I might actually give Hamster some credit if he didn't go with the ninja story being the real thing. Not one shred of evidence that anyone else was involved. She admitted that it was a lie, and all evidence points to her. Which is why she changed her story to self defense. Anyone who believes the ninja story is either or

Here is my line of thought. She doesn't remember how it all it happened. She's a photographer. If she took the gun and knife, she would be smart enough to know that simply deleting photos doesn't erase them. Washing an SD card more than likely does not damage it. The camera was found on top of the washer load. Heavy camera, would sink to the bottom. How did it move? There were bloody clothes in BOTH the washer and dryer. I don't think either side has stated how long she stayed to try and clean up. Assuming his house was built in the early 2000's, the washer and dryer were installed along with the build, so he likely doesn't have the super efficient machines. That first load in the washer took at least an hour, maybe a little longer.

One of his roommates was off work that day, and has stated he was in and out of the house many times all day. Same roommates stated he saw Travis alive after the day of the murder, as well as doing laundry after the death occurred He changed this story back and forth more than once. Then he changed his story once he heard when Travis died. Travis' dog, who fed it? It had to have been going frantic the whole time. All of his friends immediately pointed their finger at Jodi, and their stories are almost word for word the same, that's fishy to me. It took five days to report it to police. There was cleaning product left out, and somebody stated a sport looked and felt like it had been cleaned recently (a railing I believe) The roommates walked by the washer and dryer into the garage. They didn't notice any blood spots?

If he was truly messing around with 11 different women, some of them surely thought it was more than just sex. It's also likely at least a few of them were married. Husbands get suspicious. He also owned many different people money. There is motive for more than one party here I believe.

And more than anything, the sheer brutality of the murder. Historically, female murders are pretty clean overall. The extreme overkill does not equal a single females rage, to me.

I'm not sure how much of what you just said is actually true and not just random spec you are getting from that website.

But with all that being said.... how did her bloody handprints end up all over the house then?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Hamster is either fishing or his elevator doesn't go all the way to to top floor.

 

[CurlyNight]

Man, here we go with redirect... starting with her credentials and if she stopped furthering her education...

 

[DougGlatt]

I might actually give Hamster some credit if he didn't go with the ninja story being the real thing. Not one shred of evidence that anyone else was involved. She admitted that it was a lie, and all evidence points to her. Which is why she changed her story to self defense. Anyone who believes the ninja story is either or

Here is my line of thought. She doesn't remember how it all it happened. She's a photographer. If she took the gun and knife, she would be smart enough to know that simply deleting photos doesn't erase them. Washing an SD card more than likely does not damage it. The camera was found on top of the washer load. Heavy camera, would sink to the bottom. How did it move? There were bloody clothes in BOTH the washer and dryer. I don't think either side has stated how long she stayed to try and clean up. Assuming his house was built in the early 2000's, the washer and dryer were installed along with the build, so he likely doesn't have the super efficient machines. That first load in the washer took at least an hour, maybe a little longer.

One of his roommates was off work that day, and has stated he was in and out of the house many times all day. Same roommates stated he saw Travis alive after the day of the murder, as well as doing laundry after the death occurred He changed this story back and forth more than once. Then he changed his story once he heard when Travis died. Travis' dog, who fed it? It had to have been going frantic the whole time. All of his friends immediately pointed their finger at Jodi, and their stories are almost word for word the same, that's fishy to me. It took five days to report it to police. There was cleaning product left out, and somebody stated a sport looked and felt like it had been cleaned recently (a railing I believe) The roommates walked by the washer and dryer into the garage. They didn't notice any blood spots?

If he was truly messing around with 11 different women, some of them surely thought it was more than just sex. It's also likely at least a few of them were married. Husbands get suspicious. He also owned many different people money. There is motive for more than one party here I believe.

And more than anything, the sheer brutality of the murder. Historically, female murders are pretty clean overall. The extreme overkill does not equal a single females rage, to me.

So much of what you are saying here is based on your perception of how things should have gone down. Not looking at the actual facts. When you say she "would be smart enough to know", you've stopped looking at the facts and start injecting what you would be smart enough to know in that instance. You simply cannot know what she would be smart enough to know. It's easier to state that a person in a rage might do irrational things than say she would be smart enough to know better. Your view that a camera would sink is based on what you think would happen. I'm sure it could be proven that it's possible to happen the way it ended up, but you use it push your belief that it means something else. And everything you think goes right out the window when she says "yes, I did it". So she is either lying about the ninjas, or lying that she did it. But she is a liar either way. Yet you believe what is coming out of her mouth. And I find that to be the interesting piece in all of this.

I don't care for Juan. I don't care for the defense. I don't watch HLM or whatever the show is. I don't care what their "experts" think. I see a guy stabbed 27 times in the back, shot in the head, nearly decapitated and I see a vicious murder. As far as woman not being messy? You ever see the Manson murders? Freaking horrific. Woman can be just as nasty as men if they are crazy enough.

 

[Nikki2200]

Man, here we go with redirect... starting with her credentials and if she stopped furthering her education...

I'm so done with this witness. And apparently the jury has compile 100s of questions for her. <_<

 

[CurlyNight]

Man, here we go with redirect... starting with her credentials and if she stopped furthering her education...

I'm so done with this witness. And apparently the jury has compile 100s of questions for her. <_<

Yeah me too. At least I hope we get some entertaining questions like we did with psyche dude-- like with the hair cut question and stress. I hope it wasn't juror 5 who gave that zinger!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

she will get life. it's too hard to prove the premed stuff

 

[CurlyNight]

she will get life. it's too hard to prove the premed stuff

Some folks are saying with murder 2 she could be out in her early 40s.

 

[CurlyNight]

They're saying defense has another witness to do with the sex tapes, the interpretation of?

 

[Nikki2200]

she will get life. it's too hard to prove the premed stuff

Some folks are saying with murder 2 she could be out in her early 40s.

I really really hope it doesn't come to that. It would be tragic. I don't think a Murder 2 conviction can come without the possiblity of parole, can it? She'd probably be out in a decade if they went with Murder 2.

 

[Nikki2200]

They're saying defense has another witness to do with the sex tapes, the interpretation of?

ARRGH. For real?

 

[CurlyNight]

They're saying defense has another witness to do with the sex tapes, the interpretation of?

ARRGH. For real?

Just heard a blurb from our friend Nancy Grace that this is coming down. Defense is desperate and we continue to be miserable listening to these defense "witnesses" who can only go on what Arias told them. We need a pulling hair out of head emoticon here but I guess this will do..

Oh and now it seems Arias told the violet that she shot TA in the closet! But the casing was found in blood in the bathroom. More lies!

 

[Johnnymac]

I'm glad I am not a taxpayer in AZ. This defense is ridiculous. If I'm on the jury, she's guilty of premed murder and she gets death. I don't need to see anymore.

 

[CurlyNight]

I'm glad I am not a taxpayer in AZ. This defense is ridiculous. If I'm on the jury, she's guilty of premed murder and she gets death. I don't need to see anymore.

Ditto that. But I do want to see what Juan has up his sleeve. I hope the psych person he's bringing, if he really is, talks about being a sociopath and her personality disorder to wipe out this crap of domestic abuse accusation.

 

[Nikki2200]

They're saying defense has another witness to do with the sex tapes, the interpretation of?

ARRGH. For real?

Just heard a blurb from our friend Nancy Grace that this is coming down. Defense is desperate and we continue to be miserable listening to these defense "witnesses" who can only go on what Arias told them. We need a pulling hair out of head emoticon here but I guess this will do..

Oh and now it seems Arias told the violet that she shot TA in the closet! But the casing was found in blood in the bathroom. More lies!

What could an expert possibly testify to about the sex tapes? While Jodi was getting her self off on the phone with Travis, the expert can tell by the tones that she was actually being abused and phone-raped?

Oy vey.

Oh and yea... she told violet a completely different story than what she testified to. And apparently the jury was scribbling away questions when that came up.

 

[CurlyNight]

Man, I can't imagine how the guy who fixed Travis up with Jodi feels now..... poor thing.

 

[Nikki2200]

Jury's not buying the violet's crap either. Every question so far has been about Jodi being the abuser, why Travis has never abused anyone else, what exactly she knows about Travis and how she determined he was an abuser, etc.

 

[CurlyNight]

Side bar: Jodi's hair darker. Can you color your hair in prison??

 

[CurlyNight]

Jury's not buying the violet's crap either. Every question so far has been about Jodi being the abuser, why Travis has never abused anyone else, what exactly she knows about Travis and how she determined he was an abuser, etc.

I don't know about that. I think she's doing a good job with the questions. I didn't realize TA had a journal and she spoke to some of his friends. One thing she said is true and that is in diagnosing dv there is 1 party there. Dunno. She's much better than psych dude. Can go either way.

 

[Johnnymac]

It sure looks to me like the jury isnt buying this pile of crap. Good sign.

 

[CurlyNight]

Jodi's been looking like she's going to start crying...

 

[Nikki2200]

OH EM GEE. Curly.... are you watching this twitter stuff on HLN right now????

HLN is confirming that it is really Jodi tweeting on that account and her defense attorneys can't stop her.



##### be crazy.

 

[CurlyNight]

Seems a friend call Jodi and Jodi tells her what to post on her twitter account... Weird.

https://twitter.com/Jodiannarias

 

[CurlyNight]

Is this chit for real???

http://www.jodiarias.com/

 

[Nikki2200]

On HLN they are saying it's for real!

:hyper:

 

[CurlyNight]

OH EM GEE. Curly.... are you watching this twitter stuff on HLN right now????

HLN is confirming that it is really Jodi tweeting on that account and her defense attorneys can't stop her.



##### be crazy.

I didn't see this before posting the twitter acct. It's gold Jerry!

 

[Nikki2200]

Is this chit for real???

http://www.jodiarias.com/

Oh yea. That is for real too. She makes art in prison and then crazy people buy it for a lot of money. :cuckoo:

 

[CurlyNight]

Is this chit for real???

http://www.jodiarias.com/

Oh yea. That is for real too. She makes art in prison and then crazy people buy it for a lot of money. :cuckoo:

2K??????????? Is that a bargain??