Jodi Arias case (1 Viewer)

[CurlyNight]

I'll be curious when they start interviewing jurors what they have to say.You know money offers will start flying there way to get their story.

I wouldn't be surprised if none of these jurors speak now, if they speak it would probably be long after it's over and things have simmered down. Most everyone is pissed that there is no verdict and many are blaming the jurors, which is assinine imo. It's easier for us to say death or life but the jurors are actually the ones putting their name down for her fate.

 

[Johnny Bing]

I'll be curious when they start interviewing jurors what they have to say.You know money offers will start flying there way to get their story.

I wouldn't be surprised if none of these jurors speak now, if they speak it would probably be long after it's over and things have simmered down. Most everyone is pissed that there is no verdict and many are blaming the jurors, which is assinine imo. It's easier for us to say death or life but the jurors are actually the ones putting their name down for her fate.

Keep in mind it isn't all the jurors fault. All but one could have been pounding on the table saying death death death, but one lady couldn't kill her kept it from happening. I expect one or multiple jurors to speak and say she deserves death and they are sorry to the Alexander family.

 

[CurlyNight]

I'll be curious when they start interviewing jurors what they have to say.You know money offers will start flying there way to get their story.

I wouldn't be surprised if none of these jurors speak now, if they speak it would probably be long after it's over and things have simmered down. Most everyone is pissed that there is no verdict and many are blaming the jurors, which is assinine imo. It's easier for us to say death or life but the jurors are actually the ones putting their name down for her fate.

Keep in mind it isn't all the jurors fault. All but one could have been pounding on the table saying death death death, but one lady couldn't kill her kept it from happening.I expect one or multiple jurors to speak and say she deserves death and they are sorry to the Alexander family.

1 female juror was seen mouthing to the Alexander family "I'm sorry" while teary eyed. I feel bad for them. 2 more months before the penalty phase begins again. I was hoping it would be done today especially for the family sake.

 

[CurlyNight]

8 were for death, 4 for life...

 

[Johnny Bing]

8 were for death, 4 for life...

That's a three more than I would have thought were for life.

 

[CurlyNight]

Now the argument is whether Juan should just concede and agree to life or not now that the split is known. AZ tax payers I'm sure want this done. So it may not be 100% that there will be a new penalty phase in July. Juan had the reddest face while the verdict was being read and Willmott had a little smile on her face. It's up to Juan's boss if they will ok a life sentence.

 

[hamster_13]

This will get overturned like most of Juan's cases, so this is just a horse and pony show anyways.

 

[Nikki2200]

This will get overturned like most of Juan's cases, so this is just a horse and pony show anyways.

Oh dear god.

Do you have a link to substantiate the claim that "most of Juan's cases" get overturned? It is my understanding he is one of the most successful prosecutors in Arizona.

Nothing is getting overturned. This trial was by the book and very very lenient towards the defense's requests.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

This will get overturned like most of Juan's cases, so this is just a horse and pony show anyways.

Oh Lord. You've been taken by Jodi!

 

[Nikki2200]

Now the argument is whether Juan should just concede and agree to life or not now that the split is known. AZ tax payers I'm sure want this done. So it may not be 100% that there will be a new penalty phase in July. Juan had the reddest face while the verdict was being read and Willmott had a little smile on her face. It's up to Juan's boss if they will ok a life sentence.

I think both Juan and the family should concede to LWOP.

I've been flip-flopping back and forth on this for the past few days. A few days ago, I was for her getting the DP. The interview she did after she was convicted made me angry. Like I could have stuck the needle in her myself.

But then after that wore off, I went back to my normal stance about the DP in general. Why? Why do we need to execute someone? I've never heard anyone give any kind of reasonable argument that isn't based in emotion and disgust for the person in general as to WHY someone should be executed. I heard Jodi talk and I know it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and I'm 100% sure she was insincere, but there is a point in there. Executing her will serve no purpose other than to cause more pain to the people that actually do care about her. The DP is not a deterrent to crime. It costs exponentially more money for the state to pursue. And quite frankly I think it's a lot harder on the family of the victim due to mandatory appeals, media coverage, etc.

At this point, I really think they should take the DP off the table and let Jodi rot in jail for the rest of her life. She will receive no automatic state-funded appeals. The family can go home and begin to live their lives again without the murder of their brother being front and center in everything they do. Is it really worth spending another $1 million+ (not including appeals) to make sure she gets executed instead of just spending the rest of her life in prison? Why is it so important to execute her? Jodi goes to prison. She is gone. She is not in the limelight. We don't have to hear from her anymore. She does whatever she does behind bars. The Alexander family goes home and moves on. I don't see how this is not the best option.

Obviously I have no idea what the family is going through. I just can't imagine stretching this sentencing out, and then the several appeals which are guaranteed should the next jury decide on the DP, will help that family heal. Just looking in from the outside, I really believe that it is the best course of action for everyone involved. And I just really suspect if she was eventually executed after the years and years hearings and appeals and media coverage that it is going to make his family feel better enough when it finally happens to make it all worth it.

Just my two cents.

 

[Nikki2200]

This will get overturned like most of Juan's cases, so this is just a horse and pony show anyways.

Oh Lord. You've been taken by Jodi!

He's just been enlightened about the "Mormon Mafia" so he understands what REALLY happened the day Jodi didn't kill Travis Alexander.

 

[CurlyNight]

I agree with you, Nikki. Just give LWOP with no appeals and be done with it. I'm thinking most of the anger is not because the dp verdict wasn't reached but now everyone is on hold for 2 long months until they start that phase again. No closure yet for the family. It's up to Juan's boss whether they will plea LWOP. In some states the 8-4 verdict would mean the death penalty and in some others it would mean life.

Even Jefferey Dahmer who takes the cake on heinous murders and being a bigger sicko got LWOP. Those who wanted death got it when he was murdered in prison. I don't think that would happen to Jodi, Fellow inmates seem to be acting like she is a celebrity and she seems to have a likable personality in there. So be it. She is unable to really feel anything and is living in her own world so I really don't think it matters to her which she gets.

 

[CurlyNight]

Link to jury foreman talking about the verdict:

http://a.abcnews.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835

 

[Zow]

This will get overturned like most of Juan's cases, so this is just a horse and pony show anyways.

What are you talking about?

 

[Zow]

Hung jury! 7/18 starts with new jury.

for just the death penalty phase right?

correct

So Woz, how does that work? I mean can a new jury come in and decide without another trial?

They are only deciding whether the defendant should get the death penalty. There will be a new "trial" on this issue only - meaning that the only evidence which can be presented is the state showing evidence to meet its initial burden, then the defense put on evidence of mitigation (essentially, good things about Jodi and why she shouldn't get death).

The jury will be instructed that Jodi has been convicted and they are to decide then whether Jodi dies without questioning whether Jodi actually killed the victim.

Can the prosecution use the post verdict interviews against her?

If she testifies and makes statements inconsistent with those interviews.

 

[Zow]

I agree with you, Nikki. Just give LWOP with no appeals and be done with it. I'm thinking most of the anger is not because the dp verdict wasn't reached but now everyone is on hold for 2 long months until they start that phase again. No closure yet for the family. It's up to Juan's boss whether they will plea LWOP. In some states the 8-4 verdict would mean the death penalty and in some others it would mean life.

Pretty much.

It's a tough call for them, given that they have to weigh the impact of the re-trial on their victims against the potential general deterrence effect on future murders.

I can say that generally the MCAO is pretty hardcore when it comes to re-trials after a hung jury. I recently had a jury trial hang with jurors 5-3 in favor of acquitting my client, and the MCAO still chose to press forward and only begrudgingly were willing to give my client a slightly better offer. Granted, that wasn't a high profile case, but I was still pretty surprised that the office chose to continue to use its resources to go after my client and prepare to do another week long trial.

 

[Nikki2200]

Link to jury foreman talking about the verdict:

http://a.abcnews.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835

Wow. He believed she was mentally and verbally abused.

 

[whoknew]

I agree with you, Nikki. Just give LWOP with no appeals and be done with it. I'm thinking most of the anger is not because the dp verdict wasn't reached but now everyone is on hold for 2 long months until they start that phase again. No closure yet for the family. It's up to Juan's boss whether they will plea LWOP. In some states the 8-4 verdict would mean the death penalty and in some others it would mean life.

Pretty much.

It's a tough call for them, given that they have to weigh the impact of the re-trial on their victims against the potential general deterrence effect on future murders.

I can say that generally the MCAO is pretty hardcore when it comes to re-trials after a hung jury. I recently had a jury trial hang with jurors 5-3 in favor of acquitting my client, and the MCAO still chose to press forward and only begrudgingly were willing to give my client a slightly better offer. Granted, that wasn't a high profile case, but I was still pretty surprised that the office chose to continue to use its resources to go after my client and prepare to do another week long trial.

Hey Zow -

Have you had to deal with Arpaio at all? He seems like an absolutely awful human being.

 

[Godsbrother]

Link to jury foreman talking about the verdict:

http://a.abcnews.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835

Wow. He believed she was mentally and verbally abused.

I believe that he most likely led her on a bit and probably was not so nice in the breakup and used her for sechs afterwards. If that counts as mentally abusive then I would say most adults have been abused and/or abuser or both at some point in their lives.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Link to jury foreman talking about the verdict:

http://a.abcnews.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835

Wow. He believed she was mentally and verbally abused.

I believe that he most likely led her on a bit and probably was not so nice in the breakup and used her for sechs afterwards. If that counts as mentally abusive then I would say most adults have been abused and/or abuser or both at some point in their lives.

and most adults have somehow refrained from shooting and slicing up the person who did it.

 

[Nikki2200]

Link to jury foreman talking about the verdict:

http://a.abcnews.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835

Wow. He believed she was mentally and verbally abused.

I believe that he most likely led her on a bit and probably was not so nice in the breakup and used her for sechs afterwards. If that counts as mentally abusive then I would say most adults have been abused and/or abuser or both at some point in their lives.

Yea I think he was using her for sex and wouldn't just cut the cord and tell her it was over. Although look at what happened once he finally did that. :( But if that is the definition of abuse, I s'pose I'm a survivor as well.

I think this probably has more to do with that text Travis sent Jodi on May 26 where he totally laid into her. That was the only example of "abuse" that was presented. Something happened. He went OFF on her in that text message. She did something to him that made him freak out. No one will ever know what that was, but he called her a "scammer" and a "sociopath" and that he was going to out her to everyone. I guess we probably know more about that text than what was presented in court from the media and reading the whole thing instead of just the bits and pieces that were presented where he called her names. But it is pretty apparent that she did something that started that whole chain of events which also probably let to his murder. The gun was stolen from her grandparents' house two days later.

 

[Johnny Bing]

Link to jury foreman talking about the verdict:

http://a.abcnews.com/GMA/video/jodi-arias-trial-jury-foreman-interview-william-zervakos-19247835

Wow. He believed she was mentally and verbally abused.

I believe that he most likely led her on a bit and probably was not so nice in the breakup and used her for sechs afterwards. If that counts as mentally abusive then I would say most adults have been abused and/or abuser or both at some point in their lives.

and most adults have somehow refrained from shooting and slicing up the person who did it.

Keep in mind, based on his comments it did not justify guilt on murder, but it did come into play when deciding death or life in prison.

And if jurors had that view point, that Travis was partially at fault, that explains why they struggled to find death penalty.

Not saying I agree with this logic, but based on his interview that sounds like it was a large factor that kept the jury from coming with a verdict.

 

[Chaka]

Wait I only check this thread every few days. Was she found guilty of the crime and the jury is hung on the sentencing? Because I thought I read in here that she was found guilty on all counts.

 

[CurlyNight]

Wait I only check this thread every few days. Was she found guilty of the crime and the jury is hung on the sentencing? Because I thought I read in here that she was found guilty on all counts.

In brief: Guilty: 7 said M1 & 5 said M1 & felony murder. Aggravation: Cruelty proven unanimously. Juan's 2 minutes of silence was gold in showing just how long it took for TA to die, therefore he did suffer a long time before dying. Penalty: Hung jury, 8 for death, 4 for life. Mini trial for the penalty phase set for 7/18 where a new jury will decide the life vs death sentence. It doesn't sound like she will get new defense attorneys. If the prosecutor and his boss decide to down their offer to life, it ends 'now.' If not, we'll see everyone in court on 7/18 probably for a few weeks because the jury has to be brought up to speed on the details of what led to the guilty verdict and to the cruelty verdict. So JA gets a re-do and we'll see if the defense changes their speel and if she will speak again. See my link above somewhere to hear what the foreman had to say. If this next jury is hung then it becomes life and judge decides with or without parole.

 

[CurlyNight]

3 jurors speak about the case and the deadlock:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-jurors-sentenced-death-matter/story?id=19259867#.UaJ2E3rcxNU

On Tues night on HLN the jurors are interviewed.

 

[StrikeS2k]

So Nancy Grace got some new sex quotes and stuff from the trial. She's having a fit. This is awesome

 

[T Bell]

3 jurors speak about the case and the deadlock:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-jurors-sentenced-death-matter/story?id=19259867#.UaJ2E3rcxNU

On Tues night on HLN the jurors are interviewed.

When all of this is over, how exactly are you going to commit suicide?

 

[Rayderr]

Lifetime movie on tonight at 8pm

 

[CurlyNight]

3 jurors speak about the case and the deadlock:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-jurors-sentenced-death-matter/story?id=19259867#.UaJ2E3rcxNU

On Tues night on HLN the jurors are interviewed.

When all of this is over, how exactly are you going to commit suicide?

By making it look like you murdered me..

 

[Nikki2200]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

 

[CurlyNight]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I agree. It was an insult. I thought the part of them meeting in the men's bathroom was horrible. I guess they were trying to plant the stalker mentality early.

 

[Chaka]

Lifetime movie on tonight at 8pm

That's a joke, right?

 

[Rayderr]

Lifetime movie on tonight at 8pm

That's a joke, right?

Nope.

 

[Chaka]

Lifetime movie on tonight at 8pm

That's a joke, right?

Nope.

Good lord.

 

[Nikki2200]

Is there a reason you think that would be unusual? That's what Lifetime does.

 

[Chaka]

Is there a reason you think that would be unusual? That's what Lifetime does.

Call me an optimist.

 

[Zow]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I actually thought it wasn't that terrible, considering it was quickly thrown together for Lifetime. And the chick who played Jodi was ####### hot.

ETA: Also what was made up? You realize the "story" we got from the trial and stuff is only people's perception or falsification of what happened. I did notice though that she didn't drive out from Cali to do the killing through.

 

[General Malaise]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I actually thought it wasn't that terrible, considering it was quickly thrown together for Lifetime. And the chick who played Jodi was ####### hot.

Good lord...

 

[Nikki2200]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I actually thought it wasn't that terrible, considering it was quickly thrown together for Lifetime. And the chick who played Jodi was ####### hot.

ETA: Also what was made up? You realize the "story" we got from the trial and stuff is only people's perception or falsification of what happened. I did notice though that she didn't drive out from Cali to do the killing through.

Um... basically the entire movie was made up except the part where she killed him? I watched most of the actual trial and there was plenty of material to work with and it was clearly an interesting story so I'm not sure why they had to invent a new one.

Off the top of my head:

- How they met

- How Jodi became a Mormon

- Jodi's random girl friend that doesn't exist

- Travis's random friend who kept popping over and they openly discussed Jodi being a three hole wonder and the sex they were having (all of Travis's friends thought he was a virgin and he did not discuss his sex life with any of them)

- The e-mails and text message exchanges did not happen the way they portrayed it in the movie

- The chain of events leading up to the murder was all wrong. She never moved back to California. And for some odd reason in the movie the reason Jodi snapped and killed Travis was because while he was in the shower he got a text from a girl he was seeing and she read it then decided to kill him - didn't happen.

That's the stuff I can remember. In addition to that, the actress did not capture Jodi's personality at all and the whole movie was just a weird mish mosh of things that seemed disjointed.

 

[NCCommish]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I actually thought it wasn't that terrible, considering it was quickly thrown together for Lifetime. And the chick who played Jodi was ####### hot.

ETA: Also what was made up? You realize the "story" we got from the trial and stuff is only people's perception or falsification of what happened. I did notice though that she didn't drive out from Cali to do the killing through.

Um... basically the entire movie was made up except the part where she killed him? I watched most of the actual trial and there was plenty of material to work with and it was clearly an interesting story so I'm not sure why they had to invent a new one.

Off the top of my head:

- How they met

- How Jodi became a Mormon

- Jodi's random girl friend that doesn't exist

- Travis's random friend who kept popping over and they openly discussed Jodi being a three hole wonder and the sex they were having (all of Travis's friends thought he was a virgin and he did not discuss his sex life with any of them)

- The e-mails and text message exchanges did not happen the way they portrayed it in the movie

- The chain of events leading up to the murder was all wrong. She never moved back to California. And for some odd reason in the movie the reason Jodi snapped and killed Travis was because while he was in the shower he got a text from a girl he was seeing and she read it then decided to kill him - didn't happen.

That's the stuff I can remember. In addition to that, the actress did not capture Jodi's personality at all and the whole movie was just a weird mish mosh of things that seemed disjointed.

It's a Lifetime rush job to capitalize on people who couldn't get enough rubber necking in during the trial. It wasn't going to be winning any awards or anything.

 

[Nikki2200]

I didn't expect it to be nominated for an Oscar. I was merely explaining all the things that were made up about it, which made little sense to me because there was a lot to work with it didn't really need any embellishments to make it interesting.

 

[Zow]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I actually thought it wasn't that terrible, considering it was quickly thrown together for Lifetime. And the chick who played Jodi was ####### hot.

Good lord...

You disagree in the actress's hotness? Because she was ####### hot.

 

[Nikki2200]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I actually thought it wasn't that terrible, considering it was quickly thrown together for Lifetime. And the chick who played Jodi was ####### hot.

Good lord...

You disagree in the actress's hotness? Because she was ####### hot.

Did you watch Lost? She was Alex.

 

[General Malaise]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I actually thought it wasn't that terrible, considering it was quickly thrown together for Lifetime. And the chick who played Jodi was ####### hot.

Good lord...

You disagree in the actress's hotness? Because she was ####### hot.

No, I just can't believe a straight man would watch this voluntarily. What the hell is wrong with you, man?

 

[Zow]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I actually thought it wasn't that terrible, considering it was quickly thrown together for Lifetime. And the chick who played Jodi was ####### hot.

Good lord...

You disagree in the actress's hotness? Because she was ####### hot.

No, I just can't believe a straight man would watch this voluntarily. What the hell is wrong with you, man?

Of course I didn't watch it on my own accord. Was watching TV with my wife and she had just put up with like 3 hours of watching golf. It was her turn to pick something.

I'd be lying though if I said I didn't enjoy it a little bit.

 

[Zow]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I actually thought it wasn't that terrible, considering it was quickly thrown together for Lifetime. And the chick who played Jodi was ####### hot.

Good lord...

You disagree in the actress's hotness? Because she was ####### hot.

Did you watch Lost? She was Alex.

Never saw Lost. May have to check it out. Does she wear skimpy underwear and act deliciously crazy like in Jodi Arias?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The Amy Fisher Storys starring Drew Barrymore & Alyssa Milano were both better than this junk.

 

[lod01]

This puppy cranks back up in September.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/16/jodi-arias-court/2520011/

 

[T Bell]

That movie was so bad. And the story was half made up.

I actually thought it wasn't that terrible, considering it was quickly thrown together for Lifetime. And the chick who played Jodi was ####### hot.

ETA: Also what was made up? You realize the "story" we got from the trial and stuff is only people's perception or falsification of what happened. I did notice though that she didn't drive out from Cali to do the killing through.

Um... basically the entire movie was made up except the part where she killed him? I watched most of the actual trial and there was plenty of material to work with and it was clearly an interesting story so I'm not sure why they had to invent a new one.

Off the top of my head:

- How they met

- How Jodi became a Mormon

- Jodi's random girl friend that doesn't exist

- Travis's random friend who kept popping over and they openly discussed Jodi being a three hole wonder and the sex they were having (all of Travis's friends thought he was a virgin and he did not discuss his sex life with any of them)

- The e-mails and text message exchanges did not happen the way they portrayed it in the movie

- The chain of events leading up to the murder was all wrong. She never moved back to California. And for some odd reason in the movie the reason Jodi snapped and killed Travis was because while he was in the shower he got a text from a girl he was seeing and she read it then decided to kill him - didn't happen.

That's the stuff I can remember. In addition to that, the actress did not capture Jodi's personality at all and the whole movie was just a weird mish mosh of things that seemed disjointed.

It's a Lifetime rush job to capitalize on people who couldn't get enough rubber necking in during the trial. It wasn't going to be winning any awards or anything.

It's also not a documentary. Dramatic license is always going to be used to some degree in the telling of these stories.

I am of course holding out for Jodinado.

 

[jamny]

pffft...29 pages.

Call this a trial thread?