Joe Horn's value? (1 Viewer)

[greenf7cat]

I was just thinking about something while listening to Joe Horn speak on ESPN Radio regarding the Michael Vick situation.

His fantasy value would have to be better if Joey H. is commanding the troops this year vs. Vick, dont ya think? Don't get me wrong... in no way, shape, or form is Joey H. a good fantasy QB, but I would have to imagine that Horn would benefit more b/c of how bad Vick's accuracy is... thoughts?

 

[Jason Wood]

QB1: 53.8% completion, 6.7 yards per attempt, +19 TD/INT ratio

QB2: 55.2% completion, 5.7 yards per attempt, -5 TD/INT ratio

On what basis is Harrington really a better passer?

 

[greenf7cat]

QB1: 53.8% completion, 6.7 yards per attempt, +19 TD/INT ratioQB2: 55.2% completion, 5.7 yards per attempt, -5 TD/INT ratioOn what basis is Harrington really a better passer?

my opinion is that he is more accurate, and will take the time to let receivers get open.... Vick is too quick to pull the ball down and run. I am not by any means saying that Harrington is a good QB, but I just think that Joe Horn's FF value would be more if Harrington was at the helm, instead of Vick

 

[Jason Wood]

QB1: 53.8% completion, 6.7 yards per attempt, +19 TD/INT ratioQB2: 55.2% completion, 5.7 yards per attempt, -5 TD/INT ratioOn what basis is Harrington really a better passer?

my opinion is that he is more accurate, and will take the time to let receivers get open.... Vick is too quick to pull the ball down and run. I am not by any means saying that Harrington is a good QB, but I just think that Joe Horn's FF value would be more if Harrington was at the helm, instead of Vick

Joey Harrington's 5.7 yards per attempt is among the worst in league history. There is no way one can interpret that as someone who has, at least to date, successfully let his receivers get open downfield.

 

[sholditch]

 

[greenf7cat]

Joey Harrington's 5.7 yards per attempt is among the worst in league history. There is no way one can interpret that as someone who has, at least to date, successfully lets his receivers get open downfield.

But wouldnt' you agree that Vick pre-maturely pulls the ball down to run which "could" hurt Horn's FF value? I am not sure which way I would go here, but just thinking if Horn would be worth picking up late if Harrington is the QB.

 

[Jason Wood]

name='greenf7cat' date='Jul 20 2007, 02:15 PM' post='7037889']Joey Harrington's 5.7 yards per attempt is among the worst in league history. There is no way one can interpret that as someone who has, at least to date, successfully lets his receivers get open downfield.

But wouldnt' you agree that Vick pre-maturely pulls the ball down to run which "could" hurt Horn's FF value? I am not sure which way I would go here, but just thinking if Horn would be worth picking up late if Harrington is the QB.

The argument to make, IMHO, is that because Harrington is a more conventional QB, the offense will attempt more passes and, inherently, that will equate to more targets for Joe Horn.I'm reasonably confident Joey Harrington will be near the bottom of the league in effectiveness per pass attempt, but no one would argue the Falcons won't throw more with ANYONE under center not named Vick.

 

[greenf7cat]

name='greenf7cat' date='Jul 20 2007, 02:15 PM' post='7037889']Joey Harrington's 5.7 yards per attempt is among the worst in league history. There is no way one can interpret that as someone who has, at least to date, successfully lets his receivers get open downfield.

But wouldnt' you agree that Vick pre-maturely pulls the ball down to run which "could" hurt Horn's FF value? I am not sure which way I would go here, but just thinking if Horn would be worth picking up late if Harrington is the QB.

The argument to make, IMHO, is that because Harrington is a more conventional QB, the offense will attempt more passes and, inherently, that will equate to more targets for Joe Horn.I'm reasonably confident Joey Harrington will be near the bottom of the league in effectiveness per pass attempt, but no one would argue the Falcons won't throw more with ANYONE under center not named Vick.

ok, thats the point i was trying to make... thank you. now i have to figure out if i want to take him in the later rounds

 

[mlball77]

While not a good QB, I think that Harrington may focus on his WRs more than Vick has historically. This could benefit Horn ever so slightly. Then again, Harrington may quickly identify Crumpler as his top receiving threat and focus heavily on him. Its all conjecture at this point really, but I think that if Vick isn't the ATL QB in 07 that the ATL WRs may have a little more value.

 

[FavreCo]

It will be a push, proving that Vick is no better than Harrington.

 

[burd]

Horn has zero value unless Jenkins and Roddy get hurt and even still, his value is minimal

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Horn had little value when he had Drew Brees as his QB, now....

 

[fantasyballa]

Harrington could suprise, he had a couple 3 TD games last year and could definitely add more value to Horn than Vick. But unless you're in a DEEP league, you can't expect much from Horn.

 

[Jason Wood]

Horn has zero value unless Jenkins and Roddy get hurt and even still, his value is minimal

I'm not optimistic about Horn, but I think it's important to clarify b/c you seem misguided. Joe Horn has been brought into Atlanta as a starter, and barring injury should without question be the top WR target. Roddy White is going to be hard pressed to make the roster without a strong camp according to some.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Harrington could suprise, he had a couple 3 TD games last year and could definitely add more value to Horn than Vick. But unless you're in a DEEP league, you can't expect much from Horn.

Harrington got those 3 against the Lions porous pass defense. What did he do in the other 9 games he played? 9 TD's, 14 INT'sVick is not much more accurate than Harrington, but Vick can extend plays with his feet, and make a few more plays than other QBs make. How well can Harrington do this year, since he is among the least accurate QBs in the league, throwing to WRs who can't separate? Atlanta will win 3-4 games if Harrington is the starter.

 

[Beaumont]

Horn has zero value unless Jenkins and Roddy get hurt and even still, his value is minimal

I'm not optimistic about Horn, but I think it's important to clarify b/c you seem misguided. Joe Horn has been brought into Atlanta as a starter, and barring injury should without question be the top WR target. Roddy White is going to be hard pressed to make the roster without a strong camp according to some.

I think White is not at any real risk not to make that roster. I cant think of any time ever that a club cut their 1st round WR before his third season ...In fact, White started to come on a bit at the end of 2006 ... I think he is a sneaky dynasty buy ...But that's just me ...

 

[AnonymousBob]

Harrington will rush for 700+ yards. It's the system.

 

[az_prof]

Horn has zero value unless Jenkins and Roddy get hurt and even still, his value is minimal

I'm not optimistic about Horn, but I think it's important to clarify b/c you seem misguided. Joe Horn has been brought into Atlanta as a starter, and barring injury should without question be the top WR target. Roddy White is going to be hard pressed to make the roster without a strong camp according to some.

I think White is not at any real risk not to make that roster. I cant think of any time ever that a club cut their 1st round WR before his third season ...In fact, White started to come on a bit at the end of 2006 ... I think he is a sneaky dynasty buy ...But that's just me ...

How about Mike Williams, who was a 1.10 pick by Detroit and got cut after two years?

 

[Penguin]

Harrington will rush for 700+ yards. It's the system.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Shouldn't the question be what is Joe Horn's value with Culpepper at the helm?

 

[Beaumont]

Horn has zero value unless Jenkins and Roddy get hurt and even still, his value is minimal

I'm not optimistic about Horn, but I think it's important to clarify b/c you seem misguided. Joe Horn has been brought into Atlanta as a starter, and barring injury should without question be the top WR target. Roddy White is going to be hard pressed to make the roster without a strong camp according to some.

I think White is not at any real risk not to make that roster. I cant think of any time ever that a club cut their 1st round WR before his third season ...In fact, White started to come on a bit at the end of 2006 ... I think he is a sneaky dynasty buy ...But that's just me ...

How about Mike Williams, who was a 1.10 pick by Detroit and got cut after two years?

Good one, although he was traded not cut right? Roddy White has not been near that level of a failure ... more like a Troy Williamson or a Matt Jones ... but I guess you never know ...Man that year's WR are not exactly steppin up ...

 

[veto87]

QB1: 53.8% completion, 6.7 yards per attempt, +19 TD/INT ratioQB2: 55.2% completion, 5.7 yards per attempt, -5 TD/INT ratioOn what basis is Harrington really a better passer?

...because Harington looks like Bobby Boucher, if he can't play QB maybe he can make Waterboy 2 !

 

[KING]

Horn has zero value unless Jenkins and Roddy get hurt and even still, his value is minimal

I'm not optimistic about Horn, but I think it's important to clarify b/c you seem misguided. Joe Horn has been brought into Atlanta as a starter, and barring injury should without question be the top WR target. Roddy White is going to be hard pressed to make the roster without a strong camp according to some.

I think White is not at any real risk not to make that roster. I cant think of any time ever that a club cut their 1st round WR before his third season ...In fact, White started to come on a bit at the end of 2006 ... I think he is a sneaky dynasty buy ...But that's just me ...

How about Mike Williams, who was a 1.10 pick by Detroit and got cut after two years?

unless i missed the raiders cutting him. i believe the lions traded mike williams.