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John Brown Hype Train- Not as bad of reach as I thought (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter loose circuits
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I noticed RBs got 12 targets in this game (Ellington 5, Dwyer 3, Taylor 3, Hughes 1). Was that possibly a game plan thing vs the Chargers? Many of them seemed by design to me, as Palmer was looking for the flat route ASAP. But I thought it outside of Arians wheelhouse to throw to the backs and TEs (4 targets) quite so much. Perhaps more of those targets go to Fitz (most assuredly) and John Brown (possibly) next week. I know I'd prefer to see what JB could do with the ball in his hands in the flats over Dwyer.
King of the Jungle
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Can you give your opinion on why Floyd cannot be a #1 WR in this offense? I think between his good size, my ball mentality, excellent hands, and enough speed to get behind the defense he sets up nicely to be the top target.Bri said:
There's a lot of Fitzgerald talk now. His Dad griping on twitter, him saying his dad doesn't speak for him.
This guy at ESPN says Cards need to start their O thru him
http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/8797/fitzgerald-opens-offense-for-cardinals
This article, at very end, is already implying he might hit the open market after this season
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000392312/article/arians-cardinals-wont-force-ball-to-larry-fitzgerald
To me-all of this above only happens because Brown looks like the real deal. Without, we'd never hear any of this
This guy at ESPN says Cards need to start their O thru him
http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/8797/fitzgerald-opens-offense-for-cardinals
This article, at very end, is already implying he might hit the open market after this season
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000392312/article/arians-cardinals-wont-force-ball-to-larry-fitzgerald
To me-all of this above only happens because Brown looks like the real deal. Without, we'd never hear any of this
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
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chriswilson667
Footballguy
I'm told John Brown was targeted 6 times against San Francisco - 2 touchdowns. From the sounds of it he should have had a 3rd but he ran the wrong route.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He obviously has some talent. He reminds me of Greg Jennings when he was a rookie. Just came in and fit right in.
steveski
Footballguy
I believe Hilton got hurt but I don't think anything serious. I'd definitely rather have Hilton and Bryce than Brown though.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Redraft or dynasty?
I'm surprised he hasn't been given more work. The cliche all he does is catch TDs actually fits this guy.
I don't watch many Cardinals games and didn't see Floyd's one catch games on 6 and 7 targets. If the starter is struggling(and/or timing with the QB isn't clicking) why not call more plays for Brown?
I don't watch many Cardinals games and didn't see Floyd's one catch games on 6 and 7 targets. If the starter is struggling(and/or timing with the QB isn't clicking) why not call more plays for Brown?
Faust
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Sam Acho: John Brown better than Marvin Harrison
http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/9989/sam-acho-john-brown-better-than-marvin-harrison
http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/9989/sam-acho-john-brown-better-than-marvin-harrison
th3f00l
Footballguy
The 75 yard touchdown was on terribly blown coverage. Easy catch in stride, maintained his balance and managed to stay just enough ahead of the DBs to be tackled as he scored. His other grabs were pretty solid, I didn't see anything spectacular. I can see him getting a bump with Palmer playing. Great dynasty guy, but I don't know if he beats Floyd outright for the WR#2 spot this year. He should get some snaps and be able to take advantage against teams' weaker DBs. If he gets behind the coverage he can torch them for some big plays.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Brown had an amazing grab in the first half. Don't know what world you live in but there's zero chance he beats out Floyd and I don't think anybody else in this thread believes that. It's possible he gets more looks and then gets the wr2 job next year if Fitzgerald leaves.
lod01
Footballguy
If these guys continue at their current pace, would Fitz evenwant to leave? Toughest division in football and they are leading it. Still waiting for a Palmer meltdown.
As small as he is, he needs an accurate QB. They need to draft a replacement for Palmer in the next year or 2.
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BeTheMatch
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Faust
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Brown, Floyd and Ellington all have 43 targets. Fitz is at 49. So all fairly close which is a pretty good formula for inconsistent weeks since none are high volume target monsters.
He's an older rookie but still a rookie and one taking a giant step up in competition. He'll get better and more consistent but I'd imagine this season will be a roller coaster. Hard to start with confidence but always usable is how I see his year going.
Why did Floyd stink? Don't know but would speculate the injury might have had an impact on him. I recall watching him run a few routes after he re-entered the game and just did not look like he was full speed.
lod01
Footballguy
Big deal Cards GM, I knew it after seeing one exhibition game. You are not special. I was one of the first people to proclaim that he is a mini Marvin Harrison.
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People were comping him to Marvin BEFORE he played in a preseason game and Keim can gloat all he wants since he spent a third round pick on him well before his first preseason game.
Sabertooth
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lod01
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jurb26
Footballguy
I'll give you credit for being one of the first here but I think you're ahead of yourself if you think you spotted it before the Cards GM because you saw it in an exhibition game. I'm guessing he noticed it long before than.Yeah, I was.
lod01
Footballguy
I just can't announce it on this board or it throws up a 'green light special' to others that are in my dynasty league. I thought this way before I posted it. Our draft was on August 2nd.
I cannot comment on players that I think are good until after our dynasty drafts.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah, I was.
I've had my league mates tailing me for years. I scouted John Brown back when he was at Mars Hill College when I was working for Blesto.
lod01
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Faust
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Cardinals Film Room: Downtown John Brown
http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-2/Cardinals-Film-Room-Downtown-John-Brown/73e889ec-5130-4264-908d-770f87807099
http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-2/Cardinals-Film-Room-Downtown-John-Brown/73e889ec-5130-4264-908d-770f87807099
loose circuits
Footballguy
Will this guy have an impact against the seahawks? Tough to start with confidence, but attractive nonetheless...
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
He might. They're better at defending taller. slower WRs than shorter, faster ones.
loose circuits
Footballguy
still tough to start a rookie WR against top 5 defense.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Seems like a forgotten man. I own him in two dynasty leagues I am in, and it just seems like his value is kind of low. Thoughts? I thought he looked great last year logging a very solid 48 - 696 - 5 stat line.
Max Power
Footballguy
I own him in a league. No one has expressed interest, but I wouldn't move him for his current value either. He is clearly a hold in my book.
Funny enough, I own Martavis Bryant in the same league, and have gotten a couple offers in the late first/early second range. I really think both guys are in the same tier though.
Funny enough, I own Martavis Bryant in the same league, and have gotten a couple offers in the late first/early second range. I really think both guys are in the same tier though.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I do to. Looking at targets last season, Brown had 100 whereas Bryant only got 48. It's funny because it seems like the tall guys get all the love. Just like real life 
EastonBlues22
Footballguy
Might be a nice sleeper in return yardage leagues, especially dynasties or ones that draft early (before less attentive owners are thinking about the KR game, or see who is returning kicks during preseason).
Arizona cut Ginn, and Brown was the primary KR backup last year (with plenty of college success/experience). Pretty sure he backs up Peterson for punts as well. Arians let Hilton do punts and some kick returns in Indy while he was OC there, so there's a precedent.
The 3rd receiver slot + some KR duty could make Brown a pretty decent option in that format. I'd at least test the waters on him if the Cardinals don't appear to address their return game during the draft.
Arizona cut Ginn, and Brown was the primary KR backup last year (with plenty of college success/experience). Pretty sure he backs up Peterson for punts as well. Arians let Hilton do punts and some kick returns in Indy while he was OC there, so there's a precedent.
The 3rd receiver slot + some KR duty could make Brown a pretty decent option in that format. I'd at least test the waters on him if the Cardinals don't appear to address their return game during the draft.
