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Smart people got on board a long time ago. Everyone is always scared to jump on the non sexy guy. I just like to jump on upside and production and he is producing. Say it any way you like but he is a top 7 RB in every league I'm in.
True but how long will a backup RB keep up top 10 status. Bush has clearly shown that when healthy he is a RB1. Can this offense continue to sustain two top FF Rbs? I'm not so sure.

Bell is a great player to have on your roster considering the ROI thus far and his value both while Bush is in the lineup and especially when Reggie is out. But I just wonder how sustainable Bell's numbers are with Bush in the lineup and if some regression to the mean here is inevitable.
I see your point and I think you are making good points and playing devils advocate but let me give you an example.. Sproles is similar to Bell not in size but sorta in role. Bell may not run a ton of carries but will always get you 6 + catches and has a chance to put in a gl score so he should be able to put up top 10 numbers with or without bush..... I see where your coming from but Think fred Jackson but better.
Yes, I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate here. I do think Sproles and F-Jax are good RBs to bring up for role comparison. Sproles is different though in that he is clearly the Saints go to RB in the passing game and no other RB on the Saints roster does what Bush does in Detroit. And F-Jax is producing with Spiller struggling, which is also not the case with Bush in Detroit.

But I agree that Bell has a defined role and should remain an attractive option, especially in PPR. I'd like nothing more than to be able to lock him into my flex spot for the rest of the season. But I would also add that expecting 100 receptions (always get you 6 + catches) is too much and that's sort of why I think a tempering of expectations is in order here.

But we shall see.

 
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Smart people got on board a long time ago. Everyone is always scared to jump on the non sexy guy. I just like to jump on upside and production and he is producing. Say it any way you like but he is a top 7 RB in every league I'm in.
True but how long will a backup RB keep up top 10 status. Bush has clearly shown that when healthy he is a RB1. Can this offense continue to sustain two top FF Rbs? I'm not so sure.

Bell is a great player to have on your roster considering the ROI thus far and his value both while Bush is in the lineup and especially when Reggie is out. But I just wonder how sustainable Bell's numbers are with Bush in the lineup and if some regression to the mean here is inevitable.
I see your point and I think you are making good points and playing devils advocate but let me give you an example.. Sproles is similar to Bell not in size but sorta in role. Bell may not run a ton of carries but will always get you 6 + catches and has a chance to put in a gl score so he should be able to put up top 10 numbers with or without bush..... I see where your coming from but Think fred Jackson but better.
Yes, I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate here. I do think Sproles and F-Jax are good RBs to bring up for role comparison. Sproles is different though in that he is clearly the Saints go to RB in the passing game and no other RB on the Saints roster does what Bush does in Detroit. And F-Jax is producing with Spiller struggling, which is also not the case with Bush in Detroit.

But I agree that Bell has a defined role and should remain an attractive option, especially in PPR. I'd like nothing more than to be able to lock him into my flex spot for the rest of the season. But I would also add that expecting 100 receptions (always get you 6 + catches) is too much and that's sort of why I think a tempering of expectations is in order here.

But we shall see.
Agreed. He's yet to have 6 catches in a game, and people are saying he's always going to get you 6+? Does not compute.

He's a solid player, a good start if/when Bush is out, but will be hit or miss when Bush is playing IMO.

 
Should make this the official "I'm starting Joique Bell over _________" thread.

Seriously considering starting him over Foster vs. Seattle this week.

 
I think tempered expectations are always good. One thing to keep in mind is that, in contrast to a team like New Orleans, which has a pretty clear history of how they like to use their RBs, the story in Detroit still being written. Bush is new to the team and is obviously an exciting piece of the puzzle. Bell has been carving himself an expanding role in the offense since last year. I don't think his role is done being defined yet. It feels like it is evolving. In part that is because he has has some success running in the red-zone and might become the GL back. Another big factor, obviously, is that Bush continues to show a propensity for getting dinged up. He has, by my count, four different injuries in just about six quarters of play (dislocated thumb, groin, hip, knee). That HAS to have the Lions revisiting whatever plan they had for Bush in the offseason.

Bell will still likely have some dud games, like many other starting RBs. And with an UDFA like Bell who played on several NFL teams before really getting his chance with the Lions, there will always be doubters of his talent. He is an interesting case study of a guy with zero/negative pedigree who is clawing his way to relevance via extraordinary effort. He already got the recent second round pick kicked to the curb (LeShoure). It remains to be seen how the Lions will work him in with Bush over the long term, but I wouldn't bet against Bell. I think will be a solid RB2 at the end of the year.

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I call him 'JOY' - 'KEE' ....has a nice little ring to it

I think he will continue to put up good FF numbers. He better....I got Murray in the RB1 slot and the only guys I have behind him are Gio Bernardo and Ahamdo Bradshawdo

 
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Just offered Bell for Michael Floyd straight up. PPR dynasty. Curious to see what the other owner does...he's already been online twice and left it out there as he contemplates what to do...

 
Just offered Bell for Michael Floyd straight up. PPR dynasty. Curious to see what the other owner does...he's already been online twice and left it out there as he contemplates what to do...
Not sure I would give up Bell for Floyd.
In dynasty? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Floyd is still young but he hasn't done much to impress yet. Joique has at least demonstrated potential high end production when given opportunities. I am not sure Detroit is sold on him but I don't think Reggie is going to last in the NFL much longer and while Joique isn't exactly young (he's 27) he is very low mileage and if Detroit gives him the opportunity you might get a couple good years out of him.

 
Just offered Bell for Michael Floyd straight up. PPR dynasty. Curious to see what the other owner does...he's already been online twice and left it out there as he contemplates what to do...
Not sure I would give up Bell for Floyd.
In dynasty? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Floyd is still young but he hasn't done much to impress yet. Joique has at least demonstrated potential high end production when given opportunities. I am not sure Detroit is sold on him but I don't think Reggie is going to last in the NFL much longer and while Joique isn't exactly young (he's 27) he is very low mileage and if Detroit gives him the opportunity you might get a couple good years out of him.
Floyd has an incredibly high ceiling, and I think right now is in a nice buy-low period. Joique has some value now, but like you said, he's 27, and I am a Reggie Bush believer, especially in that offense.Actually, in the league where I have this offer out of Bell for Floyd...I'm also the Bush owner.

 
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Just offered Bell for Michael Floyd straight up. PPR dynasty. Curious to see what the other owner does...he's already been online twice and left it out there as he contemplates what to do...
Not sure I would give up Bell for Floyd.
In dynasty? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Floyd is still young but he hasn't done much to impress yet. Joique has at least demonstrated potential high end production when given opportunities. I am not sure Detroit is sold on him but I don't think Reggie is going to last in the NFL much longer and while Joique isn't exactly young (he's 27) he is very low mileage and if Detroit gives him the opportunity you might get a couple good years out of him.
Floyd has an incredibly high ceiling, and I think right now is in a nice buy-low period. Joique has some value now, but like you said, he's 27, and I am a Reggie Bush believer, especially in that offense.Actually, in the league where I have this offer out of Bell for Floyd...I'm also the Bush owner.
Floyd has not shown a high ceiling on the field just on draft day. He could definitely turn it on but unless he turns into Julio Jones as long as Fitz is opposite him I think his ceiling is capped IMO.

Joique may never get his opportunity but if they are both given the chance I like Joique's ceiling over Floyd's because he has flashed much more with his opportunities than Floyd has.

 
Just offered Bell for Michael Floyd straight up. PPR dynasty. Curious to see what the other owner does...he's already been online twice and left it out there as he contemplates what to do...
Not sure I would give up Bell for Floyd.
In dynasty? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Floyd is still young but he hasn't done much to impress yet. Joique has at least demonstrated potential high end production when given opportunities. I am not sure Detroit is sold on him but I don't think Reggie is going to last in the NFL much longer and while Joique isn't exactly young (he's 27) he is very low mileage and if Detroit gives him the opportunity you might get a couple good years out of him.
Floyd has an incredibly high ceiling, and I think right now is in a nice buy-low period. Joique has some value now, but like you said, he's 27, and I am a Reggie Bush believer, especially in that offense.Actually, in the league where I have this offer out of Bell for Floyd...I'm also the Bush owner.
Floyd has not shown a high ceiling on the field just on draft day. He could definitely turn it on but unless he turns into Julio Jones as long as Fitz is opposite him I think his ceiling is capped IMO.Joique may never get his opportunity but if they are both given the chance I like Joique's ceiling over Floyd's because he has flashed much more with his opportunities than Floyd has.
I see what you're saying, I think it just comes down to something different for me. Floyd has ten years to take advantage of his ceiling if he reaches it, and lots of value left. If he flashes, if he explodes for a game or two (which is possible considering the targets he's been getting in the endzone/redzone), his value could blow up as well, making him a nice trade chip. Joique has 2 years or so. I like Bush too much to assume a ton of value in the time he has left as a realistically effective player, and as a tradeable commodity, there's a cap on it I think.

 
Detroit Lions' Joique Bell ranks among top 10 RBs in broken tackles thanks to powerful lower body


Kyle Meinke | kmeinke@mlive.com By Kyle Meinke | kmeinke@mlive.com Follow on Twitter

on September 28, 2013 at 6:55 AM, updated September 28, 2013 at 6:56 AM


ALLEN PARK -- What do Adrian Peterson, LeSean McCoy, Trent Richardson, Matt Forte, Frank Gore and Marshawn Lynch have in common?
They're six of the NFL's preeminent tailbacks.

And they also happen to be the only tailbacks with more broken tackles than Joique Bell.

"I didn't realize that," Bell said, shaking his head. "I just go out there and do my job"


His job is to back up Reggie Bush at tailback for the Detroit Lions, although he performed well last week in a spot start for the injured Bush. And he's shedding would-be blockers at an exceptional rate.

Bell already has broken 10 tackles, tied for seventh among NFL tailbacks, according to Pro Football Focus. But he's done it on just 34 attempts, meaning he's averaging a missed tackle on 29.4 percent of his carries.

That's a better rate than any of the NFL's top-10 rushers.

McCoy, the league's leading rusher with 395 yards, is at a 24.2-percent clip. Peterson, considered the game's greatest back, is at 21.7.

Bell said he worked on his explosiveness and acceleration within the first 10 yards of the line of scrimmage during his offseason preparations. But he's always been tremendously powerful in the lower body, which makes him difficult to handle.

He says he can squat 700 pounds, a feat mostly unheard of for tailbacks.

"I always go heavy on my legs," he said. "One day throughout the week, I go extra heavy just to keep my strength.

"I like to finish my runs. It's more than just strength. It's conditioning, it's stamina."

Receiver Nate Burleson attributed Bell's slipperiness to more than just strength. It's also vision, which he's furnished with more carries and experience over the past year.

"To break a tackle, you have to know where the hits are coming from," Burleson said. "I think now he's just becoming more confident. He knows one guy can't take him down.

"And there's so many rules protecting offensive players that if you run hard enough, you can shed a few tackles. There aren't too many guys who are clinic tacklers who are going to wrap you up."

Bell doesn't seem to have found many of them, perhaps earning himself more of a role even when Bush returns from an injured knee.

"Some games you're going to see him carrying the load, and some games not as much, and some games 50-50 as long as things stay the way they are now," offensive coordinator Scott Linehan said. "Every time we've been able to give him the ball, I've felt very good about the production that we're getting out of him."

Bell has 34 rushes for 119 yards, both team highs. He's also caught 14 passes for another 177 yards, giving him a team-best 296 yards from scrimmage.

He's broken 16 tackles overall.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2013/09/joique_bell_ranks_among_top_10.html

 
Bell has done well with Bush. He still has a great chance to score and Bush can leave a game at any point giving Bell the potential for a huge game.

 
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Sitting bell for hartline
big mistake. I have them both too, and hartline is on my bench. Joique's not going away because of Reggie Bush.
I struggle with playing them both. I don't like putting my eggs in one basket. If Detroit gets behind and abandons the run, you're screwed.
...because it's not like they ever catch the ball?
I like to diversify, so I'm making the same move Hartline > Bell

 
Joique is pretty much my new favorite player. I've always had a soft spot for bigger guys that can catch the ball (Tolbert comes to mind.) He's my current RB3, and I have the trade offer on the table to send him straight up for David Wilson...but I just can't pull that trigger.

Joique's value is pretty much locked into place in terms of floor. While I don't expect him to keep up his TD per game pace, he's going to have the chance at a goal line score weekly, while catching a couple balls for about 10 ypc. That's a great floor, and the ceiling is a game like we saw in Week 3 with Bush out.

This guy is probably the steal of 2013.

 
mbrasi said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Rick James said:
Sitting bell for hartline
big mistake. I have them both too, and hartline is on my bench. Joique's not going away because of Reggie Bush.
I struggle with playing them both. I don't like putting my eggs in one basket. If Detroit gets behind and abandons the run, you're screwed.
I think Detroit abandoned the run when Barry Sanders retired.

 
Let's see if now, several pages and a few weeks later, I'm still going to get mocked and ridiculed...

Guy is a non-talent journeyman, who because he fluked his way into a FF-big week one, convinced people to bench their starters and use him -- a freaking backup RB -- in their lineups instead.

You were nuts then, you are nuts now if you are still using him, and he will keep putting up nothing weeks except for the occasional flukes from here on forward. He's completely droppable, and if you didn't sell high, you have no business in this hobby. HTH.

 
I was hoping that Bell would be used if the Lions got a lead in the second half. That didn't happen.

Man of Zen is completely wrong; this is a very talented guy. But unless Reggie Bush goes down, Bell is simply not worth starting unless you're in a very deep league. Just not enough touches.

 
Let's see if now, several pages and a few weeks later, I'm still going to get mocked and ridiculed...

Guy is a non-talent journeyman, who because he fluked his way into a FF-big week one, convinced people to bench their starters and use him -- a freaking backup RB -- in their lineups instead.

You were nuts then, you are nuts now if you are still using him, and he will keep putting up nothing weeks except for the occasional flukes from here on forward. He's completely droppable, and if you didn't sell high, you have no business in this hobby. HTH.
You're an idiot.

Where were you last week, genius? That's what I thought.

 
Let's see if now, several pages and a few weeks later, I'm still going to get mocked and ridiculed...

Guy is a non-talent journeyman, who because he fluked his way into a FF-big week one, convinced people to bench their starters and use him -- a freaking backup RB -- in their lineups instead.

You were nuts then, you are nuts now if you are still using him, and he will keep putting up nothing weeks except for the occasional flukes from here on forward. He's completely droppable, and if you didn't sell high, you have no business in this hobby. HTH.
No, it doesn't help. And your tone is ridiculous.

 
Let's see if now, several pages and a few weeks later, I'm still going to get mocked and ridiculed...

Guy is a non-talent journeyman, who because he fluked his way into a FF-big week one, convinced people to bench their starters and use him -- a freaking backup RB -- in their lineups instead.

You were nuts then, you are nuts now if you are still using him, and he will keep putting up nothing weeks except for the occasional flukes from here on forward. He's completely droppable, and if you didn't sell high, you have no business in this hobby. HTH.
Lol.

I didn't realize you were fishing this whole time. Well done.

 
If you'd have told me the Lions were going to score 40 points on Sunday, without reading the box score, I'd not hesitate to start Joique Bell. I didn't see the game, but have to think that the gameplan dictated his usage. That and a healthy Reggie Bush. We all need to tap the brakes on the everyweek starter hype train. But going forward, still very valuable in matchup play, and an auto start whereever and whenever Bush is inactive.

 

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