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Soulfly3
Footballguy
he had 52 receptions last year.
he can catch the ball.
everyone has drops
WilsonTheVolleyball
Footballguy
In a hypothetical of Bush decides football is not his calling, joins a group of monks, and retires to Tibet to never be seen again? Sure. Both those guys would fall to the second round knowing what we know now about Spiller. So one guy is on an average-at-best offense with a rookie quarterback that sees a 50/50 split between him and a capable backup who not only vultures touchdowns, but even takes away recpetions, or a guy who is on a high powered offense who can catch the ball on a pass happy team that plays a minimum of 8 games in a dome.
Yeah, I would take Bell over Spiller. Not by much, but I would pull the trigger on that.
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Situation is only part of the equation. "Rare" is rather subjective here, as it's even rare to occupy the back-up RB job in the NFL but I wholeheartedly believe he has starter potential. Stats aside, he passes the eyeball test with flying colors. It becomes all the more obvious when you compare him to a true middling talent like Leshoure.
How is your question pertinent to the discussion of who to start THIS WEEK? The guy clearly said he was talking week-to-week value. If Bell got to face the Skins D every week then, yes, I'd take him in the 1st round. I wouldn't if we were redrafting for the real schedule though.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Thank you. I don't see how starting Bell this week over Spiller equates to drafting Bell first in a hypothetical redraft today. The two questions are very different.
Rare is actually pretty easily defined, and Bell is not. Having "starter potential" is a far cry from having rare talent, as is comparing him to LeShoure.
Situation is by far the biggest part of the equation here. Bell isn't that good.
Chaka
Footballguy
Tons of overanalysis going on in here.
You would think the Skins were a historically bad defense and the Lions were a historically potent offense for RBs.
Over the first two weeks of the season Washington faced the best running offense and simply the best offense in the NFL and there is nothing to suggest either of those things are a fluke. I am not sure Washington, who has a whole lot of talent on both sides of the ball, is as bad as all that based upon who they have faced and what we have seen.
I understand the argument to start Bell over a guy like Spiller but Spiller is undeniably a rare talent for guys like him the matchup really doesn't matter. IMO you don't bench a rare talent for an unknown, particularly when the rare talent is going up against an average, at best, defense. Come on, it's the Jets. Their offense if pathetic, Buffalo will be in this game and even if they weren't Spiller is an excellent pass catcher. Spiller is one of those guys who has a significantly higher probability than the vast majority of RBs (including Joique Bell) of breaking off that one play that makes your entire week.
I like Bell, I think he can be a solid producer in Detroit, heck I am starting him this week, but my other options are BenJarvus, Snelling and Eddie Lacy. Of course Bell could out produce Spiller, but to start him over Spiller? That's just crazy talk.
You would think the Skins were a historically bad defense and the Lions were a historically potent offense for RBs.
Over the first two weeks of the season Washington faced the best running offense and simply the best offense in the NFL and there is nothing to suggest either of those things are a fluke. I am not sure Washington, who has a whole lot of talent on both sides of the ball, is as bad as all that based upon who they have faced and what we have seen.
I understand the argument to start Bell over a guy like Spiller but Spiller is undeniably a rare talent for guys like him the matchup really doesn't matter. IMO you don't bench a rare talent for an unknown, particularly when the rare talent is going up against an average, at best, defense. Come on, it's the Jets. Their offense if pathetic, Buffalo will be in this game and even if they weren't Spiller is an excellent pass catcher. Spiller is one of those guys who has a significantly higher probability than the vast majority of RBs (including Joique Bell) of breaking off that one play that makes your entire week.
I like Bell, I think he can be a solid producer in Detroit, heck I am starting him this week, but my other options are BenJarvus, Snelling and Eddie Lacy. Of course Bell could out produce Spiller, but to start him over Spiller? That's just crazy talk.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
I think the trending opinion is that Bell will be "the guy" this week due to Bush's injury, and Spiller is splitting carries with Fred Jackson. And if Buffalo is up in the second half, pounding the ground attack, that's seems more like Fred's job.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Why are people so worried about Fred Jackson? Spiller touched the ball 22 times against New England and 20 times vs Carolina. So long as he is getting 21 touches/game who cares how many touches Fred Jackson gets?
You've got an almost guarantee of 21 touches for CJ freaking Spiller (an unquestionably rare talent) vs a complete unknown regarding talent and touches in Bell (and that holds even presuming Bush is out). Not sure how this is even close.
False Start
Footballguy
I'm confused as to how he can't catch either. He had those 52 catches in limited time last year too.Soulfly3 said:
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Just to drive the point home, his 52 receptions came on 68 targets.
76%
And ya, I know they're not WR type catches.. but for ####s n giggles,
Foster: 40 rec on 58 targets = 69%
McCOy: 54 on 67 = 81%
So... ya
boots11234
Footballguy
I'm starting Bell as my QB and WR!!!
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
@AdamSchefter: Due to knee injury, Lions RB Reggie Bush is not expected to play today vs. Washington. He is expected to play next week.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@EyeOnNFL: Reggie Bush expected to play vs. Redskins Sunday, via @daverichard http://t.co/wF7MIt4hFO
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Those reports are a little contradicting.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
@FootballGuysForum: Reggie Bush expected to be very confused by internet forums today http://t.co/HeRud34uiE
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
Reports on the radio this morning that Bush has experienced swelling in his knee and will not suit up. Bell and Riddick (not Leshoure which is interseting) will be #1 and #2.
Source: 97.1 the ticket (Detroit sports talk radio)
Source: 97.1 the ticket (Detroit sports talk radio)
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Start em if you got em.
Tusken Raider
Footballguy
Jimbo Slice
Footballguy
Bush sits, then bells in over pierce.
Banger
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
I like that better as a bell owner because there would be a chance leshoure vultures a td since he lady that role last year.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@EyeOnNFL: Our bad on Reggie Bush news. Now it looks like he wont play, as first reported by @AdamSchefter http://t.co/0z2O8JChgi
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Reggie is not playing . Bad news for the Lions.
Kuz
Footballguy
I wouldn't do that. Forte has been great so far this year. Who else do you have at RB.. You must be stacked..
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm rolling with Bell/Pierce as my RB2 and 3 over Ridley, Gio and DWill. Lets go!
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Never thought I would be in this situation in Week 3, and also be pretty pumped about the match-ups.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I've been feeling the same way. The Skins run D is not nearly as bad as it played the first 2 weeks and they have said the focus all week is on getting back to basics and stopping the run.
Bell should get his in the passing game, and the Lions will move the ball so he should get an opportunity to find the endzone. I will likely play him as my flex over Starks and Mendenhall but I think those expecting RB1 numbers are going to be disappointed.
We shall see.
Bush expected to sit this one out. http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/9688034/week-3-inactives-fantasy-football
I wish I had a way to get him into my lineup. Seriously debating putting him in over Foster, although I think that's going a bit too far.
I wish I had a way to get him into my lineup. Seriously debating putting him in over Foster, although I think that's going a bit too far.
WilsonTheVolleyball
Footballguy
Yeah, Forte is very safe. High floor. I'm a Spiller and Forte owner and Forte is absolutely in. Spiller is the one I'm probably going to bench this week for Joique.
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Chaka
Footballguy
I like the way he has looked too and I think he could be very good in this offense, I just think it is a mistake to start him over Spiller. Bell hasn't flashed anything like Spiller's talent.
WilsonTheVolleyball
Footballguy
Talent times opportunity. Spillers talent is greater than Bell's. Won't argue that. But Bell's opportunity is far greater this week than Spillers. Plus Spiller usually has trouble with the Jets. Granted, this is a new offensive scheme that Rex hasn't coached against yet, but the Jets usually shut Spiller down.
