Chadstroma
Footballguy
PLEASE!!! That would make my off season although I do not see it happening.Black said:This late in the game, you assume TB has a plan...right?How about Gruden back to OAK?
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Jon Gruden fired in TB (1 Viewer)
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Bruce Allen was the right guy to fire. Neither Chucky or Monte have been playing with full decks for a long time. The defensive line was horrible and the offensive line not much better. They lucked out with the Antonio Bryant reemergence last year, but other than that the skill positions have been mediocre too. Instead of focusing on the "collapse" the Glazers should have focused on what a miracle it was to even be competitive with that 53-man roster.
Too bad they can't bring back Rich McKay.
Too bad they can't bring back Rich McKay.
gump
Footballguy
I'm not shocked.
There was definitely smoke regarding Gruden's reported inability to work well with others. He has plenty of enemies in the organization and area. His offenses were frenetic. And his team flat out disappeared in December.
But I honestly thought the Glazers would give it another year...mainly because I assume this will cost them money (firing and new hiring)...and I didn't think the Glazers would want to spend that money right now.
:fingerscrossed: for Shanny.
There was definitely smoke regarding Gruden's reported inability to work well with others. He has plenty of enemies in the organization and area. His offenses were frenetic. And his team flat out disappeared in December.
But I honestly thought the Glazers would give it another year...mainly because I assume this will cost them money (firing and new hiring)...and I didn't think the Glazers would want to spend that money right now.
:fingerscrossed: for Shanny.
gump
Footballguy
This is why I'm actually pretty excited about this move. I'd honestly resigned myself to the thought that the Glazers were losing the butts on ManU and elsewhere, and were going to spend as little as possible on the Bucs the next few years.Now...that's obviously not the case. Maybe they've got someone in their back pocket...AND...will actually spend some money on FA?!?!
Bruce Allen is a real loss. He did great things for a team that was in a horrible cap position these last few years. Would'nt be surprised if they went back to Oak. at some point
Getting rid of the GM makes me think they have a plan in place, and did BA like they did Rich McKay years ago. The Glazers pretty much leap frogged the GM, and did what they wanted. Maybe they have plans for a coach/GM (Holmgren, Shanny, Parcels).
I doubt they wuld go after a defensie minded HC if they just put Raheem Morris in at DC. Him at HC is a good possibility, but I would hope they have something better planned.
I think this all is a result of the article speculation the Glazers were going broke. Now they just said they were not by firing a coach and GM with 2 years remaining.
Gruden got the O scoring points last season, and even in the last press conference Monte said "that last one was on me." The old Bucs should have ran the table with the O scoring 2 TD's. Problem is, this isn't the old Bucs. Things change, and no matter how great a coach may be sometimes a change can give you that extra boost they need. See Gruden replacing Dungy.
Getting rid of the GM makes me think they have a plan in place, and did BA like they did Rich McKay years ago. The Glazers pretty much leap frogged the GM, and did what they wanted. Maybe they have plans for a coach/GM (Holmgren, Shanny, Parcels).
I doubt they wuld go after a defensie minded HC if they just put Raheem Morris in at DC. Him at HC is a good possibility, but I would hope they have something better planned.
I think this all is a result of the article speculation the Glazers were going broke. Now they just said they were not by firing a coach and GM with 2 years remaining.
Gruden got the O scoring points last season, and even in the last press conference Monte said "that last one was on me." The old Bucs should have ran the table with the O scoring 2 TD's. Problem is, this isn't the old Bucs. Things change, and no matter how great a coach may be sometimes a change can give you that extra boost they need. See Gruden replacing Dungy.
The bright side is that we don't have to defend him anymore to idiots that don't know football.idiot: I can't stand JGme: Why, he just runs the O, and they put up 27idiot: he just treats the players bad
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Gruden brough the team from one of the worst, to one of the best in cap position while winning 3 conference championships.
T Bell
Footballguy
The Super Bowl ring notwithstanding, I've always thought that Gruden's best work to date was getting his Raiders teams to consistently win despite how dysfunctional that organization had already become.
But, a 6th rounder would have worked.Yeah, the knock on Gruden was that he won a SB with "Dungy's team." If you want to look at it that way Calahan got to a SB with JG's team.
Huge TB fan here and all I can say is that it was time for a change, and I am a big Gruden supporter. There is occaision where mgt needs to turnover. Businesses do it all the time. Gruden had some successful years in Tampa, including our most successful ever. People point that it was never as good as Dungy but fail to point out the salary cap hell Gruden inherited, along with the 4 lost #1 draft picks between him coming from Oakland and the Meyshawn debacle (Gruden was traded for two firsts (02/03) and two seconds(02/04) to Oakland). Meyshawn for two firsts (both in 2000 before Gruden arrived).
Tampa mortgaged its future for the Superbowl run giving up 4 first round picks and 2 seconds over a 4 year period. Frankly, I'm shocked that Tampa has been as successful as they have been without that influx of young depth that would now be in it's prime.
My thoughts are that Gruden will go somewhere else this year (I've been saying for the last few weeks that he is PERFECT for the Cowboys) and will be very successful, making the Bucs look like they made a mistake but I don't think they did. I'm a Gruden fan, and hope that he succeeds wherever he ends up. I'd bet that he will.
As far as TB and coaches that could come in, I don't expect much this coming year as the cupboard is fairly bare. I think that will show quickly once our great "new" coach and GM show up. At least we are 45 million under the cap, so they can spend some money if allowed by the Glazer's.
Tampa mortgaged its future for the Superbowl run giving up 4 first round picks and 2 seconds over a 4 year period. Frankly, I'm shocked that Tampa has been as successful as they have been without that influx of young depth that would now be in it's prime.
My thoughts are that Gruden will go somewhere else this year (I've been saying for the last few weeks that he is PERFECT for the Cowboys) and will be very successful, making the Bucs look like they made a mistake but I don't think they did. I'm a Gruden fan, and hope that he succeeds wherever he ends up. I'd bet that he will.
As far as TB and coaches that could come in, I don't expect much this coming year as the cupboard is fairly bare. I think that will show quickly once our great "new" coach and GM show up. At least we are 45 million under the cap, so they can spend some money if allowed by the Glazer's.
TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
This goes back to my thought of the 'Zers not spending money next year...but I'm not sure why they would fire Gruden in this scenario...unless it was forced by Gruden not cooperating.
Rovers
Footballguy
Why? So he can talk Favre into coming back? No thanks. Ryan is the guy... I pray and hope.
bostonfred
Footballguy
There's no way you fire your GM and coach a couple weeks into the offseason so you can promote a coach from within.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
+1Why? So he can talk Favre into coming back? No thanks. Ryan is the guy... I pray and hope.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Ridiculous. WTF are they thinking in Tampa???
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Are they giving rings for cap position now? Because the roster is mediocre at best.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Only if Bruce comes with him. Gruden has no quarrel with Big Al, AFAIK.
T Bell
Footballguy
I thought Al ran him out of there because he was flirting with other jobs too much.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I think they both currently share a mutual respect regardless of the circumstances surrounding Gruden's exit. That's all.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
How can you fire a guy who took you to the playoffs 1 every 2 years he was there, despite having no real franchise QB ever? If only idiot fans realized how difficult it is to sustain success without a great QB....look at any team that does well continuously vs one that does not.
I hate the NFL fan culture these days. All this "fire everyone" every year crap is what hurts franchises more than it helps them. Ask folks in Cleveland or Cincy or Houston etc etc....how changing regimes does not help you get anywhere
I hate the NFL fan culture these days. All this "fire everyone" every year crap is what hurts franchises more than it helps them. Ask folks in Cleveland or Cincy or Houston etc etc....how changing regimes does not help you get anywhere
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T Bell
Footballguy
Based upon what? Honestly, I'd like to know as you're the only one I've ever heard say anything like this.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
That was quick - it better be Ryan cause to hire Schotty over a guy like Gruden would be a joke....I think Tanny wants a rookie coach so he can keep his juice. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/200...in_gruden.html+1Why? So he can talk Favre into coming back? No thanks. Ryan is the guy... I pray and hope.
Jets not interested in Gruden
by Dave Hutchinson/The Star-Ledger
Friday January 16, 2009, 6:55 PM
The Jets have no interest in hiring Jon Gruden, fired Friday by the Tampa Bay Bucaneers, as their head coach.According to my sources, the Jets are well aware of the firing of Jon Gurden by the Tampa Bay Bucs within the hour, but he's not on their radar.
The Jets are content to await the results of this weekend's playoff games and Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan remains atop their wish list, followed by current offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. Cardinals assistant head coach/offensive line coach Russ Grimm is also in the mix but Ryan is the clear favorite.
That, of course, could change until the Jets officially call a news conference, but from what I'm hearing Ryan is their guy.
While Gruden does have a history with quarterback Brett Favre, having worked with him in Green Bay in 1992 through 1994, the Jets are looking for a young, passionate coach who can connect with their young players, said someone familiar with the club's thinking.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
More surprised to see Allen let go. I think he's better as a GM than Gruden as a coach, but maybe Tampa homers disagree.
Gruden won a Super Bowl but I don't think he's currently one of the top coaches in the league. His last playoff win was that Super Bowl. He's been three games under .500 the last six years.
Gruden won a Super Bowl but I don't think he's currently one of the top coaches in the league. His last playoff win was that Super Bowl. He's been three games under .500 the last six years.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Tim Ryan has a show on Sirius NFL Radio. He also works for FOX as a game analyst. He worked a Tampa game around the time that Kiffin was fired. In the pre-game production meeting, Ryan asked Gruden about Al Davis, figuring maybe he would pile on the old man. But Gruden said "I have nothing but respect for Mr. Davis, and I enjoyed my time in Oakland." Ryan was relating the story, and the way he told it, Gruden wasn't just feeding a line of BS. He got the sense that he was being genuine. Now as far as Al goes, I have no evidence that he doesn't hold any grudges against Gruden. But if he recycled Art Shell, he can probably find his way to bringing back Chucky. He realizes that he's 164 years old, and his opening days might be limited.
skbatmen
Footballguy
I like Gruden. But, he was arrogant. He was supposed to be an offensive genius, but the offense failed him and the defense carried the team year in and year out (until the final collapse). When the team lost their last four games, I said he is lucky to keep his job. After all, the Jets and Broncos suffered the same collapse at the end of the season and both coaches lost their jobs.
I think the Bucs wanted to hire Raheen Morris (http://www.buccaneers.com/team/staffdetail.aspx?coachid=100). He has been interviewed by a few of the teams that recently fired their coach. Tampa may have fired Gruden to move Morris to head coach.
I have my whole family crossing their fingers, arms, legs, eyes, anything I can get them to cross in hopes that TONY DUNGY comes HOME !!!!!
I think the Bucs wanted to hire Raheen Morris (http://www.buccaneers.com/team/staffdetail.aspx?coachid=100). He has been interviewed by a few of the teams that recently fired their coach. Tampa may have fired Gruden to move Morris to head coach.
I have my whole family crossing their fingers, arms, legs, eyes, anything I can get them to cross in hopes that TONY DUNGY comes HOME !!!!!
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PewterFan
Footballguy
My sources (ESPN News) tells me that this just happened.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raheem_MorrisWow. Bet he never could have imagined leapfrogging Kiffin and Gruden in the same offseason.
buster c
Footballguy
which conference would that be?
gump
Footballguy
I always thought Allen was a Gruden puppet...but then I heard he forced Gruden to pass on AP to pick Gaines Adams. Either way....
gump
Footballguy
Is that deal with the 'Fins still an out, if Wayne H sells?
Slider
Footballguy
Dungy won with Kiffen's D. Then went to Indy and showed what he knew on D. Peyton got him a Bowl. I can't believe somebody would act like Dungy was a great coach. Great guy? Yep. Great coach? Maybe not.
Gadzooks
Footballguy
Exactly what I was thinking. Wasn't Parcells rumored to be going there right before Gruden? Could be wrong, but I thought he had some kind of relationship with Glazer. Why wait this long after the season to do it, unless maybe the Tuna made a call that he'd be available soon and wants to run the whole show?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm with Chase, Gruden isn't a special coach. I would rather go with someone like McDaniels or Ryan and hope you find a great one.
