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Jon Kitna (1 Viewer)
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
What's Young's ADP?
And still he won't finish the year as the starting QB.CBS Ranking: #14WSL ADP: #104200 Yards Passing, 23 TDsMy first value play of the year at QB...keep drafting VY.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
In WSL's he was #9Like taking candy from a baby...I love media hype.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
So, Young was QB9 and Kitna was QB10? Where is the "candy from a baby" part? I'd say that the "Jon Kitna starts all year and performs close to his 2006 level" and the "VY continues to improve on last year's totals" are pretty even bets.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Where I draft him in the 10th round and get QB#5 production out of him.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I make projections on every player just like every other prognosticator...I just happen to be right more than most. Please don't hijack the thread. This is for Kitna discussion.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Kinta = undervalued.
Vince young = overvalued.
I agree
Vince young = overvalued.
I agree
LHUCKS
Footballguy
And Ron Dayne.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
He's had lots of respect from me. I had him ranked in the Top 5 prior to LAST YEAR.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I remember...very nice.
hutchins929
Footballguy
If the Lions pick OT Joe Thomas at #2 then I see Kitna as potentially a top 5 QB next season.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
As much as I disagree with LHUCKS rankings half the time, stop this crap.ANYONE who projects is going to be wrong sometimes. Cherrypicking examples is crap. It's the broad picture that matters.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
That's really not saying much considering he was top 8 in most scoring systems last year.
D-BO
Footballguy
I think the draft will have alot to do with it. Thomas or CJ in Motown Kitna is potential top 5. If Quinn or Russell come to town I'd be less optimistic.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
9 Vince Young 79 70 80 76.33
10 Jon Kitna 74 69 91 78.00
actually looks like wsl1 & 2 got it right, but wsl3 threw off the adp
10 Jon Kitna 74 69 91 78.00
actually looks like wsl1 & 2 got it right, but wsl3 threw off the adp
Skipdog77
Footballguy
Provided JK decides to throw it to the guys wearing the same uniform as him this year.
whoknew
Footballguy
Who will start?And still he won't finish the year as the starting QB.CBS Ranking: #14WSL ADP: #104200 Yards Passing, 23 TDsMy first value play of the year at QB...keep drafting VY.
After Furrey's production last year, it's probably a better idea that they trade down this year. As long as Kevin Jones recovery seems OK since QB WR RB(Peterson) seem to be the "top" of the draft this year trading down seems like the smart move here. I'd figure Martz ummm I mean Marinelli would be comfy with those as his WRs. Colts have great WRs but the rest of the best teams seem to just be OK at WR. Do you see this as a pressing need for every team to have two great top end WRs?It's a shame the Lions haven't hired Bloom to pick for them and instead have Millen making picks.Re this thread, I have no prob with Kitna being considerred a top QB for FF I just want to know that McCown(sp?) is firmly on the bench. I had him ranked highly last year(he and Warner
) and would have no probs doing it again. I don't recall a Martz QB NOT doing well so...
duaneok66
Footballguy
Furrey is not a true #2 . . . he had a good year, but he really is a slot guy . . . and its not about having two top end WRs, its BPA . . .the QBs have issues and they dont really need a running back with an injury history . . .Johnson is the pick . . .After Furrey's production last year, it's probably a better idea that they trade down this year. As long as Kevin Jones recovery seems OK since QB WR RB(Peterson) seem to be the "top" of the draft this year trading down seems like the smart move here. I'd figure Martz ummm I mean Marinelli would be comfy with those as his WRs. Colts have great WRs but the rest of the best teams seem to just be OK at WR. Do you see this as a pressing need for every team to have two great top end WRs?It's a shame the Lions haven't hired Bloom to pick for them and instead have Millen making picks.Re this thread, I have no prob with Kitna being considerred a top QB for FF I just want to know that McCown(sp?) is firmly on the bench. I had him ranked highly last year(he and Warner) and would have no probs doing it again. I don't recall a Martz QB NOT doing well so...
But what if I say Johnson isn't a true #2 either? The draft previews sure rave about him enoughThis seems like square peg in round hole to meFurrey is not a true #2 . . . he had a good year, but he really is a slot guy . . . and its not about having two top end WRs, its BPA . . .the QBs have issues and they dont really need a running back with an injury history . . .Johnson is the pick . . .After Furrey's production last year, it's probably a better idea that they trade down this year. As long as Kevin Jones recovery seems OK since QB WR RB(Peterson) seem to be the "top" of the draft this year trading down seems like the smart move here. I'd figure Martz ummm I mean Marinelli would be comfy with those as his WRs. Colts have great WRs but the rest of the best teams seem to just be OK at WR. Do you see this as a pressing need for every team to have two great top end WRs?It's a shame the Lions haven't hired Bloom to pick for them and instead have Millen making picks.Re this thread, I have no prob with Kitna being considerred a top QB for FF I just want to know that McCown(sp?) is firmly on the bench. I had him ranked highly last year(he and Warner) and would have no probs doing it again. I don't recall a Martz QB NOT doing well so...
ThePittbully
Footballguy
I picked him up in the 15th round in my dynasty start up last season, hows that for value
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Obviously a great pickup, but the only major difference when you guys (plural) go out on a limb you may get ribbed from your league mates. When we (staff) go against the grain we hear about it in volumes. Last year I had Kitna ranked ahead of All-American boy Tom Brady and I just about received death threats from irrate Patriot fans (the infamous "whiny tool" brigade).I also had McNabb ranked 12th because I felt he was an injury waiting to happen. (We are instructed to rank players based on where we think they will finish in the year-end rankings.) I also had Vick in my Top 5 QBs and subscribers actually wrote to the site owners insisting that I get booted off of the staff or they wanted their money back. It's tough keeping thousands of subcribers happy . . .
crnerblitz
Footballguy
Can I have your FBG number when the turk shows up? I think in Dynasty leagues Kitna is much further down the board than he should be. I have him ranked as QB17 and I think I need to review that. It's just that I dont think he will have the job past the 2008 season. In redrafts I would give him a serious bump into the top 10. I dont usually do redrafts anymore so im not bothering with any rankings for that at this point.Any chance I can get a linkey to those WSL drafts. I am trying to get a feel for some ADP data.
Tau837
Footballguy
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought someone bumped your Kitna thread from last year. What's next, a Rivers bashing thread?CBS Ranking: #14WSL ADP: #104200 Yards Passing, 23 TDsMy first value play of the year at QB...keep drafting VY.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Hop to the mock draft forum, drafts starting in April
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Another year of disrespect for Kitna, another thread pointing it out.
duaneok66
Footballguy
If your rankings were just like every other prognosticator's rankings, what good would you be???
duaneok66
Footballguy
you're typing this with a straight face?? You are honestly questioning the fact that RWilliams and Johnson can play alongside each other??But what if I say Johnson isn't a true #2 either? The draft previews sure rave about him enoughThis seems like square peg in round hole to meFurrey is not a true #2 . . . he had a good year, but he really is a slot guy . . . and its not about having two top end WRs, its BPA . . .the QBs have issues and they dont really need a running back with an injury history . . .Johnson is the pick . . .After Furrey's production last year, it's probably a better idea that they trade down this year. As long as Kevin Jones recovery seems OK since QB WR RB(Peterson) seem to be the "top" of the draft this year trading down seems like the smart move here. I'd figure Martz ummm I mean Marinelli would be comfy with those as his WRs. Colts have great WRs but the rest of the best teams seem to just be OK at WR. Do you see this as a pressing need for every team to have two great top end WRs?It's a shame the Lions haven't hired Bloom to pick for them and instead have Millen making picks.Re this thread, I have no prob with Kitna being considerred a top QB for FF I just want to know that McCown(sp?) is firmly on the bench. I had him ranked highly last year(he and Warner
comfortably numb
Footballguy
IMO the only thing keeping Kitna from putting up top 4-8 #'s will be, if DET takes Quinn or Russell at #2. If they take a Qb AND get off to a bad start, I can see DET wanting to throw in their new young prize. Other than that and injury of course, I would pencil him in for Tier 2 #'s
NorrisB
Footballguy
HUCKS your problem is you take system players, and thats why guys like Dayne and Bledsoe blew up in your face, Kitna like Dayne and Bledsoe are system players.
Vince Young finished 11th in fantasy points where as Kitna finished 6th in fantasy points, and Young only started 13 games. Young is the franchise QB, and he is far less likely to be unseated then is Kitna because his production is from the system. Kitna was QB6 and that is pretty much his ceiling with a much lower floor then Young. Young will continue to improve and will be better then Kitna.
Vince Young finished 11th in fantasy points where as Kitna finished 6th in fantasy points, and Young only started 13 games. Young is the franchise QB, and he is far less likely to be unseated then is Kitna because his production is from the system. Kitna was QB6 and that is pretty much his ceiling with a much lower floor then Young. Young will continue to improve and will be better then Kitna.
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I don't see this as much of a reply for discussionYou say I want a #3 to continue to play #2WR slot, you're saying you want a #1 to play the #2 spot. This is why I think they should just draft elsewhere(trade down)duaneok66 said:you're typing this with a straight face?? You are honestly questioning the fact that RWilliams and Johnson can play alongside each other??Bri said:But what if I say Johnson isn't a true #2 either? The draft previews sure rave about him enoughThis seems like square peg in round hole to meduaneok66 said:Furrey is not a true #2 . . . he had a good year, but he really is a slot guy . . . and its not about having two top end WRs, its BPA . . .the QBs have issues and they dont really need a running back with an injury history . . .Johnson is the pick . . .Bri said:After Furrey's production last year, it's probably a better idea that they trade down this year. As long as Kevin Jones recovery seems OK since QB WR RB(Peterson) seem to be the "top" of the draft this year trading down seems like the smart move here. I'd figure Martz ummm I mean Marinelli would be comfy with those as his WRs. Colts have great WRs but the rest of the best teams seem to just be OK at WR. Do you see this as a pressing need for every team to have two great top end WRs?It's a shame the Lions haven't hired Bloom to pick for them and instead have Millen making picks.Re this thread, I have no prob with Kitna being considerred a top QB for FF I just want to know that McCown(sp?) is firmly on the bench. I had him ranked highly last year(he and Warnerduaneok66 said:) and would have no probs doing it again. I don't recall a Martz QB NOT doing well so...
duaneok66
Footballguy
According to most (if not all), Johnson is a can't miss prospect; you can't say that about anyone else . . . why would you pass on him if he's there at #2??I don't see this as much of a reply for discussionYou say I want a #3 to continue to play #2WR slot, you're saying you want a #1 to play the #2 spot. This is why I think they should just draft elsewhere(trade down)duaneok66 said:you're typing this with a straight face?? You are honestly questioning the fact that RWilliams and Johnson can play alongside each other??Bri said:But what if I say Johnson isn't a true #2 either? The draft previews sure rave about him enoughThis seems like square peg in round hole to meduaneok66 said:Furrey is not a true #2 . . . he had a good year, but he really is a slot guy . . . and its not about having two top end WRs, its BPA . . .the QBs have issues and they dont really need a running back with an injury history . . .Johnson is the pick . . .Bri said:After Furrey's production last year, it's probably a better idea that they trade down this year. As long as Kevin Jones recovery seems OK since QB WR RB(Peterson) seem to be the "top" of the draft this year trading down seems like the smart move here. I'd figure Martz ummm I mean Marinelli would be comfy with those as his WRs. Colts have great WRs but the rest of the best teams seem to just be OK at WR. Do you see this as a pressing need for every team to have two great top end WRs?It's a shame the Lions haven't hired Bloom to pick for them and instead have Millen making picks.Re this thread, I have no prob with Kitna being considerred a top QB for FF I just want to know that McCown(sp?) is firmly on the bench. I had him ranked highly last year(he and Warnerduaneok66 said:
Team Legacy
Footballguy
somebody should post a MASTER "predictions" thread, that could list guys like Lhucks predictions so the rest of us could see..
For example:
LHUCKS -
Kitna = Value play
VY = overrated
TL -
Plax = Value
Jacobs = SOD
etc...
For example:
LHUCKS -
Kitna = Value play
VY = overrated
TL -
Plax = Value
Jacobs = SOD
etc...
How can anyone sit there and say that Jon Kitna will lead their team to a SuperBowl? It just aint gonna happen. I like the guy, his values, his leadership, but when it boils down to it he is not going to lead a team to win the league championship. Just like in Atlanta: there is no way a guy like Warrick Dunn will take a team to the dance either
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If you are commenting on fantasy football, I completely disagree. If your team is LOADED with talent at RB and WR and wait on a QB and end up with Kitna you are golden. It does not take a great QB to win at fantasy football. In fact, in many cases I would suggest that burning an early pick on a QB is a poor fantasy practice.I regularly wait until every other franchise has taken at least one QB (sometimes two) and normally my teams are no worse the wear. Last year the "losers" I ended up with were Kitna (ranked 6th), Brees (ranked 2nd), Vick (ranked 4th), and Rivers (ranked 9th).If you mean NFL football I agree, but are the Lions really going anywhere? Certainly they have flaws that extend pretty far beyond who their QB is. And I would never count out a Martx offense from really clicking and having an extrememly potent offense.
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Well hasn't that been the Lions reasoning for years now? How's that been working out?Pretending they're the Pats and can afford to just take the best available player seems to have not been working out. Trading down to the proper spot and taking the best OT or best DE or ...many other positions just seems like a much more practical solution IMO. Often times trading down equals more picks like give up 1 get 2 and I can't see how that's a bad move for the Lions.Go about this another way-Do you think Kitna is capable of much more than 4208 yards in a season?I imagine the Lions would be happy if Kitna threw for 4200 again.Do you think Johnson will outproduce 98 catches for 1086 yards? I imagine the Lions would be happy if their rookie WR got 98 and 1086.So how much of an improvement will Johnson really be for the team then?Sims looked good, real good. Did you see an improved defense? Sure ya did, their run D statistically improved 4-5 spots in 06 from 05. They added a key part.I'm saying instead of Johnson get a "key cog" like Sims.Patrick Willis? With Willis and Sims wrapping up everything they can Bailey's speed would "kill".How about a shut down CB to replace Bly?IMO They're not good enough to draft for depth yet
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PatsFanCT
Footballguy
Uh-hmm... Dan OrlovskyWho will start?And still he won't finish the year as the starting QB.CBS Ranking: #14WSL ADP: #104200 Yards Passing, 23 TDsMy first value play of the year at QB...keep drafting VY.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Yes he will. Marinelli loves Kitna.And still he won't finish the year as the starting QB.CBS Ranking: #14WSL ADP: #104200 Yards Passing, 23 TDsMy first value play of the year at QB...keep drafting VY.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I've got a feeling that come August the hype for players like VY and Leinart and Cutler, etc. will continue thus pushing them up the ranking while Kitna will slide to a real value pick after the hot players are goneColin Dowling said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yes he will. Marinelli loves Kitna.And still he won't finish the year as the starting QB.CBS Ranking: #14WSL ADP: #104200 Yards Passing, 23 TDsMy first value play of the year at QB...keep drafting VY.
As does Martz
