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Josh Gordon - August 1, 2016 (2 Viewers)
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JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Not if I signed a contract saying I can't and then took whatever it was they promised to pay me in return.
I guess maybe I shouldn't have signed the contract?
People limit their rights all the time by contract. Not sure why this should be any different.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Ive said multiple times, I have him as the #5 in redraft this season if he is reinstated.
And no, I wouldnt take any rookie pick for him, but Ive also said I play a riskier game than most, and prefer to have players I like on my team, that can also help me win.
I wouldnt knock someone for taking 1.03, so long as they took Coleman.
And no, I wouldnt take any rookie pick for him, but Ive also said I play a riskier game than most, and prefer to have players I like on my team, that can also help me win.
I wouldnt knock someone for taking 1.03, so long as they took Coleman.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Several folks where I work were fired for drinking at a local establishment in their company logo'd shirts. Someone reported them (not sure if they were acting obnoxious or anything, details weren't released) to the CEO and they were let go. So I guess the answer is, yes, yes they can.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Many many years ago I worked at a gas station. Got off at 10pm and went out drinking with a buddy and eventually a girl. Stayed out drinking until I had to be at work at 2pm the next day (bought a 12 pack when the bars closed, them went and ate) then back to drinking among other things. Not sure how I made it to work and on time. Was trashed. Boss was pouring coffee down my throat. Ended up wayy short that night. BUT- Ended up working for that company for 19+ years mostly in cstores w gas , 16.5 as a manager.
massraider
Footballguy
Flash is clearly excited to be part of the 2016 Browns.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
He is, which is why they SHOULD keep him. I also hope they have the sense to do it.
But perhaps this office wants to seriously start fresh. I get that feeling, dont you?
No, I've been under the impression that they are going 100% by their analytics and cutting bait with anyone who doesn't fit their models.
The problem with this approach, is that it's looking like their models have not identified any talent worth bringing in.
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
They've signed 4 guys in FA, so far. Still kind of early... And let' be honest, the team seems like they're going to build thru the draft first and foremost.
Alvin Bailey, Demario Davis, Rahim Moore and Justin Tuggle.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well giving away their only skill talent on offense would be one way to start fresh I guess.
massraider
Footballguy
I believe 100% that when you are as low as the Browns are right now, you get players that can't go anywhere for 4 years. That's the draft. They would have to overpay for talent right now, and get talent that valued money over anything, I think they should have re-signed Schwartz on a long term deal, but Gipson and Mack? Eh.....
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I'm personally not bothered by the guys we lost in FA. I'm really not.
So what, we went up with a 4-10 record? 5-10 maybe with those guys here? What does that matter?
Bomb this thing to the ground, and build from the floor up, using the kings of analytics - and go from there.
There's no POSITIVE difference between 0-16 and 5-11... except for getting a worse draft pick
So what, we went up with a 4-10 record? 5-10 maybe with those guys here? What does that matter?
Bomb this thing to the ground, and build from the floor up, using the kings of analytics - and go from there.
There's no POSITIVE difference between 0-16 and 5-11... except for getting a worse draft pick
Braktastic
Footballguy
I was typing nearly the same thing. I believe it was announced on 1/20 that we would know within 60 days. Should we expect to hear something tomorrow? That is when organizations typically like to announce news they hope misses the media cycle, which is not to say that I think that means he won't be reinstated. I just think that if he is reinstated the NFL isn't going to want to advertise that one of their players that served a year-long suspension for substance abuse has been readmitted.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
No concern about the Browns . . . how to put this delicately. . . less than stellar track record on draft day? They've drafted one first team All Pro player (Joe Thomas) in the past 25 years. That matches the Redskins with the fewest (they only had Champ Bailey).
# of first team All Pro players drafted since 1992 (based by who drafted them, not where they were an All Pro player):
12 players: CAR, NE
11 players: BAL, DEN, PIT, SEA, IND
10 players: DAL, SF, TEN
9 players: SD, KC
8 players: NOS, NYG, OAK, TB
7 players: ARI, CIN, CHI, NYJ, STL
6 players: HOU, MIA, PHI
5 players: ATL, GB, MIN
4 players: JAX
3 players: DET
2 players: BUF
1 player: CLE, WAS
# of first team All Pro players drafted since 1992 (based by who drafted them, not where they were an All Pro player):
12 players: CAR, NE
11 players: BAL, DEN, PIT, SEA, IND
10 players: DAL, SF, TEN
9 players: SD, KC
8 players: NOS, NYG, OAK, TB
7 players: ARI, CIN, CHI, NYJ, STL
6 players: HOU, MIA, PHI
5 players: ATL, GB, MIN
4 players: JAX
3 players: DET
2 players: BUF
1 player: CLE, WAS
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Best explanation I have seen:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000625769/article/josh-gordon-applies-for-reinstatement-to-nfl
The key point I took:
- 5. All individuals involved in the process will take steps to enable the Commissioner to render a decision within 60 days of the receipt of the application.
Also worth noting that the onus is heavily on the player to demonstrate why he should be, rather than the NFL demonstrating why he shouldn't be:
- The application should include all pertinent information about the Player's:
- (a) Treatment;
- (b) Abstinence from Substances of Abuse throughout the entire period of his banishment;
- (c) Involvement with any Substances of Abuse related incidents; and
- (d) Arrests and/or convictions for any criminal activity, including Substances of Abuse-related offenses.
DropKick
Footballguy
I say tomorrow is the day. Let me call Roger before he goes to bed. Should be fun here tomorrow night.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So when is the deadline for this again?
And what happens if for some reason he is not re-instated? Does that mean he is automatically suspended for some games this year?
And what happens if for some reason he is not re-instated? Does that mean he is automatically suspended for some games this year?
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I assume no decision works in favor of the player. The union probably goes berserk
trader jake
Footballguy
The NFL under Goodell is either 1) very rule of law or 2) they do whatever the hell they want and figure it out/are willing to lose the lawsuit laterHankmoody said:
Appreciate the effort but (sadly) I don't believe it has anything to do with anything really. Goodell will issue or not issue something whenever the heck he pleases.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Um, you think the Commish fought for the time limit he has to make a decision?
Indulge us all.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I am asking if he does not get reinstated at this "deadline" I have heard about.
However, no idea why you think "no decision" works in favor of the player. I would think reinstatement would be preferred.
Kevrunner
Footballguy
I don't feel good about Josh's chances now. Just seems that something is not right and now Josh is off to Trinidad (how can he not give in to temptation there). If I had to bet, I don't think he get's reinstated, just a hunch. Rooting for him to get reinstated, own him on a few dynasty teams, but just getting a bad feeling.
tone1oc
Footballguy
At this point he's either trolling his twitter followers or he knows he ain't getting reinstated. I have no idea which..
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Off to Trinidad w/ my mom once again.. Home away from from Home.. Trini x Haitians bond runs deep..
You guys aren't honestly worried, from this tweet... right?
He can be anywhere in the world and be reinstated. Doesnt need to be sitting at Roger's desk.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Rooming with Ricky Williams?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Not worried about him going to Trinidad or Haiti, but I'm wondering how this would affect random testing. What if he gets called in for a drug test? A missed test is considered a failed test.@JOSH_GORDONXII 8h8 hours ago
Off to Trinidad w/ my mom once again.. Home away from from Home.. Trini x Haitians bond runs deep..#stayprayedup#godbless
You guys aren't honestly worried, from this tweet... right?
He can be anywhere in the world and be reinstated. Doesnt need to be sitting at Roger's desk.
Chaka
Footballguy
I believe players in the program are required to notify the league anytime they leave the country far in advance. Apparently this allows the league to set up testing, if they decide to, in whatever location the player is travelling to.
IF Gordon followed protocol and notified the league of his plans it should not be an issue.
Braktastic
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see what the decision is. I don't follow this stuff all that closely. Has there been a precedent set for players being reinstated after a suspension of this type? All I remember is Justin Blackmon, and it seems like Goodell treats these like "three strikes and you're out" not "three strikes and you can come back".
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Blackmon continued to get in trouble with DUIs and has obviously kept drinking (and maybe even failed drug tests). That is why he has not been reinstated.
For what we know, Gordon has stayed clean apparently and at least has not been in trouble with the law.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
All I know is that if my fate were in Rog The Great's hands, the only thing I would be tweeting are pictures of me in church, of me at AA/NA meetings, and me at home alone on a Saturday night watching Neftlix (rated PG only). This is not an "innocent until proven guilty" thing. The player is suspended until the league believes there is a reason to lift it. We don't know the quality of his appeal documentation, but hopefully he was smart enough to get a professional involved in preparing it and it's got a thesis on each key bullet point the policy requires demonstration of.
Has a player ever returned from an indefinite suspension? Was that what Ricky Williams was? Was that under Goodell?
Has a player ever returned from an indefinite suspension? Was that what Ricky Williams was? Was that under Goodell?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Technically speaking, any player suspended for one year = an indefinite suspension. A player can ask to be reinstated when the year is over, but there are terms and conditions that must be met and the league has to sign off on the reinstatement. It's not automatic (as we are seeing with Gordon).
Braktastic
Footballguy
Yeah. That's exactly what I'm getting at. Is there a precedent, under Goodell? Glad I'm not the only one that can't think of an example.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Has Gordon been reinstated yet?
matttyl
Footballguy
Some defensive back did it. I think from Tampa Bay, then the Redskins?
ETA - Tanard Jackson.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Soulfly3
Footballguy
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massraider
Footballguy
80+ catches, 1,000+ yards, 7+ TDs.
Sky the limit? Yes. But sky seems like it's hanging a bit lower in CLE.
He'll see as many targets as he can handle. But what would your priority be on defense?