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Josh Gordon - August 1, 2016 (2 Viewers)

Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter 8m8 minutes ago

Cleveland's message for Josh Gordon: Browns go with their 5th WR, Colorado State's Rashard Higgins.
They've done a good job of stocking the cupboard finally. Hue's doing good things, rational things. If Gordon shows up fit and clean in the middle of 2016 well good for all of them. (Not really expecting that though).

 
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Gordon has nearly thrown away all of his value. When Soulfly goes MIA and can't find anything positive to say about you, you know the end is near. Forum followers are stuck in the middle of the forest wondering how we got here. We trusted, we believed, we knew Soul would lead us to the promised land. Now we are out of water and food and have no place to sleep. We tired and weary. The Browns have moved on (rightfully so) and I believe Gordon is too dumb to realize what he has done. If this clown ever gets reinstated, you would be wise to sell as fast as you can. It's only a matter of time before he ####s it up again. I was one of his biggest supporters and longtime holders. Not any more. His #### is tired.

 
If you own him you hold him til August. 

Nothing has changed. After that, the decision is easy. Reinstated, you hold, if not, you sever all ties.

 
If you own him you hold him til August. 

Nothing has changed. After that, the decision is easy. Reinstated, you hold, if not, you sever all ties.
Sever all ties. - Soulfly. 

As a long time follower Soul, I never thought I would hear those words come out of your mouth. Damn it Gordon! What have you done?!!!

 
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If you own him you hold him til August. 

Nothing has changed. After that, the decision is easy. Reinstated, you hold, if not, you sever all ties.
Only because you have no other choice outside of cutting him. Even at fire sale prices I think one would have trouble finding a buyer outside of maybe a team in full rebuild mode who would give a What the heck! late round pick.

And it isn't true nothing has changed. The Browns went whole hog (so to speak) acquiring WRs in the draft. It is obvious that even if Gordon is reinstated, they don't envision him as part of their future plans. Best case scenario is that, if he is reinstated he gets traded to another team, but I doubt few teams would want to deal with what would be at the very least a PR nightmare (think he will quit hanging out with Johnny?) and one toke away from another indefinite suspension.

 
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On the whole `living w johnny`thing, has ANYONE seen any evidence of this besides a report, which was confirmed by nobody?

Let's not forget, he was living with a Bronco that entire morning, then one account suddenly says "nah, it's gordon".... and then suddenly that was the truth in the afternoon.

His social media use has gone near dormant... I suspect Rosenhaus gave him the "Manziel ultimatum"... he's still a client, but come August, if the reinstatement doesnt happen... he wont be. nor will he ever play in the NFL again. 

He's friends w manziel, of that there is no doubt. but I am more than certain they dont live together.

 
On the whole `living w johnny`thing, has ANYONE seen any evidence of this besides a report, which was confirmed by nobody?

Let's not forget, he was living with a Bronco that entire morning, then one account suddenly says "nah, it's gordon".... and then suddenly that was the truth in the afternoon.

His social media use has gone near dormant... I suspect Rosenhaus gave him the "Manziel ultimatum"... he's still a client, but come August, if the reinstatement doesnt happen... he wont be. nor will he ever play in the NFL again. 

He's friends w manziel, of that there is no doubt. but I am more than certain they dont live together.
Let me get this straight; there is an unsubstantiated, but also unrefuted, report that Gordon is/was living with Manziel & you are ignoring that, but you are "more than certain they don't live together," although there is no support for that belief?

That's about par for the course for your rationale throughout this thread.

 
If you own him you hold him til August. 

Nothing has changed. After that, the decision is easy. Reinstated, you hold, if not, you sever all ties.
I finally jumped off the train two weeks ago. I sold for the 1.12 basically. That could end up being a sell low type deal, but I just wasn't encouraged by his decisions this offseason. Still wish him the best of luck, but dont want to deal with the headache.

 
Let me get this straight; there is an unsubstantiated, but also unrefuted, report that Gordon is/was living with Manziel & you are ignoring that, but you are "more than certain they don't live together," although there is no support for that belief?

That's about par for the course for your rationale throughout this thread.
Wait... so because ONE source CHANGED the story from "manziel is living w Von Miller" to "manziel is living Gordon", the story magically becomes fact? 

It needs to be refuted for your approval?

In essence, Gordon can also be living with Charles Manson and Donald Trump, until it is refuted. Correct? 

Better yet... find me ANY evidence where it was shown they are living together. Besides a "report" that ever so quickly vanished and never heard from again

 
Which is it Bayhawks... Does Manziel live with Von Miller, or Gordon?

Both? 

Does he have a timeshare w various NFL players? Is Manziel couchsurfing across the league?

 
Wait... so because ONE source CHANGED the story from "manziel is living w Von Miller" to "manziel is living Gordon", the story magically becomes fact? 

It needs to be refuted for your approval?

In essence, Gordon can also be living with Charles Manson and Donald Trump, until it is refuted. Correct? 

Better yet... find me ANY evidence where it was shown they are living together. Besides a "report" that ever so quickly vanished and never heard from again
How about this?  Since there's already one report (that neither Gordon, Manziel, nor Rosenhaus has refuted) that they are/were living together, why don't you find ANY evidence that shows they aren't/weren't living together. 

Once you've found one report that they weren't living together, we can discuss which might be true.  Since there is no such report (just your hopeful delusions), I won't hold my breath.

 
:lol:

ok, so I need to prove that Gordon ISN'T living with someone?

Rich. Extremely rich. 
How can you even start to laugh at someone else's point as if it is rediculous when you have spent the better half of 2 yrs making a rediculous amount of rediculous statements on this board?

 
Ok, Soulfly3 honesty time.

In redraft THIS season, I probably take him AFTER a brown, julio, beckham and deandre.

That's it. No one else I'd rather have.

I am a "risk taker" though. That's just how I play. Fantasy is fun, the money means nothing... It's just the fun of being right in a league w the same 11 other dudes for the past nearly 15yrs.
Bump

 
On the whole `living w johnny`thing, has ANYONE seen any evidence of this besides a report, which was confirmed by nobody?
Nice deflection, but the concern is Gordon hanging out with Johnny not living with him (reports of living together were debunked early and you don't hear much about that any more). 

The NFL is very image conscious and has said something to the effect that players represent the league in public. If Gordon had any sense at all, he wouldn't have gotten within a mile of Johnny while he is seeking reinstatement as it doesn't suggest a commitment to sobriety or rehabilitation of his prior drug use when he is associating with someone who appears to be currently using (see Manziel's rented Malibu home).

 
Nice deflection, but the concern is Gordon hanging out with Johnny not living with him (reports of living together were debunked early and you don't hear much about that any more). 
I do hope you're joking. 

You do see the 3-4 posts above where Im specifically asked about PROVING gordon and manziel dont live together, right? 

 
I do hope you're joking. 

You do see the 3-4 posts above where Im specifically asked about PROVING gordon and manziel dont live together, right? 
Not representative of discussions by sportswriters, football pundits and people in general on social media. You want to act like it is still a big deal, but it has been generally dismissed - and sure if you want to bring it up as a deflection you can get people to talk about it, but most everyone has moved on from that meme.

 
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Not representative of discussions by sportswriters, football pundits and people in general on social media. You want to act like it is still a big deal, but it has been generally dismissed - and sure if you want to bring it up as a deflection you can get people to talk about it, but most everyone has moved on from that meme.
I'm not deflecting from anything.

I am waiting for a decision in August like everyone else. Because chatter until that time means nothing. 

Sell if you wanna sell. Cut if you wanna cut. Hold if you wanna hold.

 
I'm not deflecting from anything.

I am waiting for a decision in August like everyone else. Because chatter until that time means nothing. 

Sell if you wanna sell. Cut if you wanna cut. Hold if you wanna hold.
It may be like Waiting For Godot. :hophead:

He can apply for reinstatement in August, but there is no guarantee the decision will be made in August. I have a feeling Goodell will take his sweet time on this and anything less than taking 60 days would be a surprise. And judging from their draft picks I don't think we will hear a peep out of the Browns if there is a delay.

I hope for his owners sake a decision is made in August, as it a roster spot which will remain in limbo until there is some resolution, as he can't be cut and there is no current trade market.

 
It may be like Waiting For Godot. :hophead:

He can apply for reinstatement in August, but there is no guarantee the decision will be made in August. I have a feeling Goodell will take his sweet time on this and anything less than taking 60 days would be a surprise. And judging from their draft picks I don't think we will hear a peep out of the Browns if there is a delay.

I hope for his owners sake a decision is made in August, as it a roster spot which will remain in limbo until there is some resolution, as he can't be cut and there is no current trade market.
Sure. or conversely, a decision could be made immediately. 

I'll just wait and see. There's nothing else to do... Except for bust nuts over my new WR Coleman  <3 so much swoon

 
Tunsil smoking from a masked bong and STILL being drafted 13th overall means good things for Gordon IMO. The nfl brand could not have looked worse than a highly regarded would-be  top 4 pick smoking pot in a video released right before the draft.

 
Tunsil smoking from a masked bong and STILL being drafted 13th overall means good things for Gordon IMO. The nfl brand could not have looked worse than a highly regarded would-be  top 4 pick smoking pot in a video released right before the draft.
What was worse, when the panel all had to backtrack about lacking empathy for Tunsil, or when Goodell had to lay down that huge hug on a guy who just released to the world he can inhale about 3/4 of a gram in one hoot on draft night?

:lol:  

 
:lol:

ok, so I need to prove that Gordon ISN'T living with someone?

Rich. Extremely rich. 
The last report we have of Manziel's living situation is that he was living with Gordon.  If you have anything more recent, please share.

Since you don't, you'll try to change the subject, or deflect the topic away from the fact that your belief that Gordon isn't living with Manziel is nothing more than your own personal, desperate hope.

 
The last report we have of Manziel's living situation is that he was living with Gordon.  If you have anything more recent, please share.

Since you don't, you'll try to change the subject, or deflect the topic away from the fact that your belief that Gordon isn't living with Manziel is nothing more than your own personal, desperate hope. continued trolling which, for whatever reason, people are still falling for.

 
The last report we have of Manziel's living situation is that he was living with Gordon.  If you have anything more recent, please share.

Since you don't, you'll try to change the subject, or deflect the topic away from the fact that your belief that Gordon isn't living with Manziel is nothing more than your own personal, desperate hope.


Not representative of discussions by sportswriters, football pundits and people in general on social media. You want to act like it is still a big deal, but it has been generally dismissed - and sure if you want to bring it up as a deflection you can get people to talk about it, but most everyone has moved on from that meme.


Nice deflection, but the concern is Gordon hanging out with Johnny not living with him (reports of living together were debunked early and you don't hear much about that any more). 
:doh:

 
A few people on a message board that respond directly to a topic you initiate is not necessarily representative of the world outside of the Shark Pool forum. If you want to keep stirring the pot, and posting about Gordon living with Manziel, you will always get a response.

Truth is, while there is a valid concern about his continued hanging out with Johnny, the living together meme has pretty much died down after reports seemed to confirm that those rumors were not true: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25552468/report-manziel-isnt-living-with-josh-gordon-roomie-situation-is-now-weird

But, you will probably keep throwing out that red herring and insisting that is really what everyone is talking about to, just to discredit Gordon's critics.

 
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On the whole `living w johnny`thing, has ANYONE seen any evidence of this besides a report, which was confirmed by nobody?

Let's not forget, he was living with a Bronco that entire morning, then one account suddenly says "nah, it's gordon".... and then suddenly that was the truth in the afternoon.

His social media use has gone near dormant... I suspect Rosenhaus gave him the "Manziel ultimatum"... he's still a client, but come August, if the reinstatement doesnt happen... he wont be. nor will he ever play in the NFL again. 

He's friends w manziel, of that there is no doubt. but I am more than certain they dont live together.


Wait... so because ONE source CHANGED the story from "manziel is living w Von Miller" to "manziel is living Gordon", the story magically becomes fact? 

It needs to be refuted for your approval?

In essence, Gordon can also be living with Charles Manson and Donald Drumpf, until it is refuted. Correct? 

Better yet... find me ANY evidence where it was shown they are living together. Besides a "report" that ever so quickly vanished and never heard from again
Well Soul I believe you are aware that I have been trying to be a reasonable voice in this thread while also being in the "Pro-Gordon" camp (translation: Soulfly Side).

So, in light of that fact, I hope you take this with more than a dismissive grain of salt.

Who cares who he is or isn't living with?  The bottom line is that he failed another drug test.  You can try to spin it as "just a diluted sample" but that report also said the diluted sample "contained THC metabolites".  The league saying he may get an August reinstatement hearing is nice but it doesn't change the fact that he ####ed up HUGE.  And honestly, at this point, he cannot be trusted.  The best case scenario is that even if he is reinstated he is going to miss all OTAs and at least some of TC which puts him behind the eight ball so it will likely be even longer before he provides any kind of ROI.  He is also going to be low man on the totem pole, and I believe Hue will keep him there, which means he will have to work even harder.

If you have him, you hold him. I agree with that but at this point you have to consider all offers because the reality is that he could turn out to never be more than a wasted bench slot.

 
I don't care if Gordon is living with Tony Robbins, the guy is a complete moron and probably uses his one-hitter when he sits down and talks to GODel

 
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Tunsil smoking from a masked bong and STILL being drafted 13th overall means good things for Gordon IMO. The nfl brand could not have looked worse than a highly regarded would-be  top 4 pick smoking pot in a video released right before the draft.
My concern isn't the tease elements of pot...it's the overall decision process.  He had been suspended for 10 games, and during that time frame didn't study film or playbook.  The lack of work ethic does not bode well

 
My concern isn't the tease elements of pot...it's the overall decision process.  He had been suspended for 10 games, and during that time frame didn't study film or playbook.  The lack of work ethic does not bode well
I'd agree with this. He didn't look good at all in 2014 after the layoff and he played all of 2013. I'm sure Soulfly would interject about his 8-120 game in his first week back, but that was on 16 targets. Pure volume, his play was terrible, hence they threw to him less and less the rest of the year. He was completely out of sync on routes and with the QBs. His layoff will now be all of 2015 and all of 2016's off season. He is pretty useless for 2016 even if he gets reinstated at some point, which I don't think will happen.

 
How can he study a play book or review film with other players and coaches while he is suspended? Is he allowed to dive into that stuff with players outside the team facilities? Does he have to work a regular job so he can pay bills while not pulling an NFL paycheck? 

 
How can he study a play book or review film with other players and coaches while he is suspended? Is he allowed to dive into that stuff with players outside the team facilities? Does he have to work a regular job so he can pay bills while not pulling an NFL paycheck? 
He can review the playbook I believe, but not have contact with the team (not sure how that works).  He worked as a car salesman last year, not sure what he's doing now.

Also, I think that even if he does get reinstated that the Browns could try and trade him for picks.  They drafted 5 WRs, that doesn't show any confidence in their current corps.

 
Their current corps does stink. Drafting all those WRs was a good idea regardless.

Anyways, like I said months ago, I dont doubt at all, that if reinstated, he gets shipped off for picks. Esp w how pick hungry the Browns are proving to be

 
Their current corps does stink. Drafting all those WRs was a good idea regardless.

Anyways, like I said months ago, I dont doubt at all, that if reinstated, he gets shipped off for picks. Esp w how pick hungry the Browns are proving to be
No...no chance any team ships "picks" to Cleveland in exchange for Josh Gordon.

 
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He can review the playbook I believe, but not have contact with the team (not sure how that works).  He worked as a car salesman last year, not sure what he's doing now.

Also, I think that even if he does get reinstated that the Browns could try and trade him for picks.  They drafted 5 WRs, that doesn't show any confidence in their current corps.
I thought they changed those rules last season and players can now be at team facilities while suspended.

 
ESPN Browns reporter Pat McManamon believes the Browns' draft moves seem to "indicate the team is moving on" from suspended WR Josh Gordon.
Lazy reporting, especially on May 11th... This was talked about as the draft was happening. 

That being said, I do think the Browns would try to trade him if he was to be reinstated. Said it many times. 

I dont like the idea, as it really doesnt make sense, when you basically own him for 2 more years on a peanut deal... But hey... 

ETA:

This is what Grossi has said on Gordon (not that it means anything, more than a report)

Gordon  "With the new culture here, Gordon would be traded if he was reinstated.  Maybe to somewhere like new england with an established authoritarian coach.  He just wouldnt fit into the culture here. 

 
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