Josh Hill - TE - New Orleans Saints (1 Viewer)

[Faust]

Saints TE Josh Hill flattered by Sean Payton's praise, but still driven

 

[jeaton6]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

 

[JohnnyU]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

What school did Jerry Rice go to? What about Brett Favre? Naming small schools or obsure schools like Idaho State as the reason for failure is just plain stupid. NFL history is flooded with HOFers from schools like Idaho State.

 

[jeaton6]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

What school did Jerry Rice go to? What about Brett Favre? Naming small schools or obsure schools like Idaho State as the reason for failure is just plain stupid. NFL history is flooded with HOFers from schools like Idaho State.

Yes those guys went to small schools BUT they also were drafted highly. Hill a 1st round pick like Rice. Nope. Early 2 like Favre. Nope. Drafted? Nope. I recognize there are undrafted success stories (obviously). I don't think he will fail just as a result of going to a small school. I think it also has to do with his lack of pedigree and overall talent (hence part of the reason he went to ISU to begin with...). The best thing he has going for him right now is his opportunity. Opportunity can take one far I just don't happen to believe he will amount to much and certainly wouldn't value him as highly as the top rookie TE in this class who is 4 years younger than him.

 

[JohnnyU]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

What school did Jerry Rice go to? What about Brett Favre? Naming small schools or obsure schools like Idaho State as the reason for failure is just plain stupid. NFL history is flooded with HOFers from schools like Idaho State.

Yes those guys went to small schools BUT they also were drafted highly. Hill a 1st round pick like Rice. Nope. Early 2 like Favre. Nope. Drafted? Nope. I recognize there are undrafted success stories (obviously). I don't think he will fail just as a result of going to a small school. I think it also has to do with his lack of pedigree and overall talent (hence part of the reason he went to ISU to begin with...). The best thing he has going for him right now is his opportunity. Opportunity can take one far I just don't happen to believe he will amount to much and certainly wouldn't value him as highly as the top rookie TE in this class who is 4 years younger than him.

He wasn't drafted because he was hurt and didn't participate in the combine if memory serves.

 

[saintfool]

brees-payton have shown an ability to make the unheralded player very productive. they have found diamonds in the rough time and again. i'm not hung up on his pedigree because i'm not expecting him to replace graham's production.

 

[Mookie]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

Jared Allen.

 

[TDorBust]

Have him in a deep salary league pretty cheap hoping he busts out this year.

 

[Don Quixote]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

What school did Jerry Rice go to? What about Brett Favre? Naming small schools or obsure schools like Idaho State as the reason for failure is just plain stupid. NFL history is flooded with HOFers from schools like Idaho State.

Yes those guys went to small schools BUT they also were drafted highly. Hill a 1st round pick like Rice. Nope. Early 2 like Favre. Nope. Drafted? Nope. I recognize there are undrafted success stories (obviously). I don't think he will fail just as a result of going to a small school. I think it also has to do with his lack of pedigree and overall talent (hence part of the reason he went to ISU to begin with...). The best thing he has going for him right now is his opportunity. Opportunity can take one far I just don't happen to believe he will amount to much and certainly wouldn't value him as highly as the top rookie TE in this class who is 4 years younger than him.

How about Miles Austin from Monmouth, or Victor Cruz from UMass? Both UFAs.

 

[Bri]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

Merril Hoge...know that if you listen enough

Jared Allen because he's going to be playing OLB and saw it mentioned in an article recently

 

[Bri]

Where'd the best TE ever go to school? Shannon Sharpe?

 

[Dezbelief]

Where'd the best TE ever go to school? Shannon Sharpe?

There's quite a few fantasy relevant TEs that got into college on basketball scholarships and only played a season or two of college football.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Where'd the best TE ever go to school? Shannon Sharpe?

gronk went to arizona

 

[Bri]

It's more about whether they had elite talent and were a blue chip entering the league. Today it's more about if the Saints feel he's a top talent or they need to draft/sign a top talent.

Ben Watson is old and I don't know if he's still on the Saints, but he was a top talent once he got his feet wet for sure. I would argue he never reached his potential, but plenty of people here praised and drafted the guy.

The Saints have an eye for it, especially Payton-he's coached some real good ones. Witten too IIRC.

Payton "has to" say he is comfy with Hill. I have no clue if he means that and I imagine that's where the debate comes in. It's such a key position in their O.

For FF, even if they draft someone- rookie TEs don't often produce (Payton's rook Shockey did once upon a time but...) and I think ya gotta figure Hill gets his time in 2015.

2016 could be different with some rook developing or Hill becoming a star, but for now Hill is pretty valuable to have. There's time to worry about 2016 and make moves for that season.

 

[Bri]

Where'd the best TE ever go to school? Shannon Sharpe?

There's quite a few fantasy relevant TEs that got into college on basketball scholarships and only played a season or two of college football.

Yep, I watched Tony G play hoops not football.

 

[psychobillies]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

I honestly mean no offense when I say this, but that is the worst line of reasoning I have ever read on a FF message board.

Look at it this way, since you want to compare him to TEs with better pedigrees. How has he compared so far with the high pick TEs that have been drafted around the same time as Hill? Keep in mind, Hill made his bones as a backup to one of the best in the league.

 

[Bojang0301]

Colleges and draft positions? Is this 1992, did we lose the Internet and magically forget when Priest Holmes or Antonio Gates came to the forefront of our fantasy teams? I'm not ready to declare Hill a prodigy but what a lame stance.

 

[jeaton6]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

I honestly mean no offense when I say this, but that is the worst line of reasoning I have ever read on a FF message board. Look at it this way, since you want to compare him to TEs with better pedigrees. How has he compared so far with the high pick TEs that have been drafted around the same time as Hill? Keep in mind, Hill made his bones as a backup to one of the best in the league.

If u read my later comments my argument isn't solely based on what school he went to. It also has to do with talent and pedigree. Clearly he could be a somebody I just don't think he will be and more importantly find it comical to think he's more valuable than the top rookie TE which was my main premise to begin with. I think it's more likely he's worth a 4th rounder or nothing a year from now than a 2.ETA: There are always going to be outliers like Priest, etc. Cool some of you named a few guys who beat the odds. Congrats. All things being equal I'd rather invest in guys who start with the better odds to begin with. I don't see Hill as one of those guys. Certainly not at a mid 2 price tag.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Where'd the best TE ever go to school? Shannon Sharpe?

Tony Gonzalez went to Cal-Berkley.

 

[JohnnyU]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

I honestly mean no offense when I say this, but that is the worst line of reasoning I have ever read on a FF message board. Look at it this way, since you want to compare him to TEs with better pedigrees. How has he compared so far with the high pick TEs that have been drafted around the same time as Hill? Keep in mind, Hill made his bones as a backup to one of the best in the league.

If u read my later comments my argument isn't solely based on what school he went to. It also has to do with talent and pedigree. Clearly he could be a somebody I just don't think he will be and more importantly find it comical to think he's more valuable than the top rookie TE which was my main premise to begin with. I think it's more likely he's worth a 4th rounder or nothing a year from now than a 2.ETA: There are always going to be outliers like Priest, etc. Cool some of you named a few guys who beat the odds. Congrats. All things being equal I'd rather invest in guys who start with the better odds to begin with. I don't see Hill as one of those guys. Certainly not at a mid 2 price tag.

Pedigree? I'd rather have Hill over the following TEs that were drafted in the first 3 rds.

Kyle Rudolph, Troy Niklas, C J Fiedorowicz, Jace Amaro, and Robert Housler. There are plenty more than that to choose from with so called "Pedigree".Fiedorowicz

 

[jeaton6]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton emphasized his "love" for third-year TE Josh Hill on Wednesday."This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love," Payton said. "When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables and he didnt go to the Combine, thank God." Payton went on to say he believed Hill would be perceived much differently around the league had he not been an undrafted free agent. Hill is the kind of player whose fantasy hype train could spiral out of control, but he's definitely a candidate for a major step forward in 2015.Source: ESPN.com

Mar 26 - 1:22 PM

I have him in several leagues and several owners want to trade for him, but they don't want to pay for him. They want waiver wire value, which is not going to happen. To be honest, it probably isn't worth it to trade him for a mid to late 2nd rd rookie pick. I doubt you would draft anyone at those spots that will be more valuable than Hill. I would say his true value should be early 2nd rd rookie pick and if my team needs a potential breakout TE, I wouldn't even take that right now.

mid 2nd for hill? the hype is already going off the rails. that and you own him so you are hoping to cash in but does not make him worth a mid 2nd.

who are you going to draft in a rookie draft at say 2.6 that is a better pick than Hill?

Just to play Devils Advocate... Max Williams?The rookie poles are at 2.05 and he's still sitting there.

I'd rather have Hill. By the time Williams becomes relevant Hill may be a stud. Besides, there are some who feel Williams isn't the best TE in the draft.

Lol. Hill may be a stud? Quick...name anyone that went to Idaho State off the top of your head (admittedly I can't). Ok now that that's out of the way, any offensive players from that school ever been relevant in the NFL? I'm impressed he made an NFL roster but stud relevance and mid second round pick value screams trying to pump up the hype for a quick flip.

I honestly mean no offense when I say this, but that is the worst line of reasoning I have ever read on a FF message board. Look at it this way, since you want to compare him to TEs with better pedigrees. How has he compared so far with the high pick TEs that have been drafted around the same time as Hill? Keep in mind, Hill made his bones as a backup to one of the best in the league.

If u read my later comments my argument isn't solely based on what school he went to. It also has to do with talent and pedigree. Clearly he could be a somebody I just don't think he will be and more importantly find it comical to think he's more valuable than the top rookie TE which was my main premise to begin with. I think it's more likely he's worth a 4th rounder or nothing a year from now than a 2.ETA: There are always going to be outliers like Priest, etc. Cool some of you named a few guys who beat the odds. Congrats. All things being equal I'd rather invest in guys who start with the better odds to begin with. I don't see Hill as one of those guys. Certainly not at a mid 2 price tag.

Pedigree? I'd rather have Hill over the following TEs that were drafted in the first 3 rds.

Kyle Rudolph, Troy Niklas, C J Fiedorowicz, Jace Amaro, and Robert Housler. There are plenty more than that to choose from with so called "Pedigree".Fiedorowicz

Well sure situation plays into it as well. I'm not in agreement fully with your list but some of those guys are in worse situations than Hill and haven't played up to their so-called potential. That's bound to happen just as sometimes guys who don't have much hype end up as diamonds in the rough. There's also a laundry list of guys with pedigree that I'd rather have than Hill. ASJ, Ebron, Etc, etc. Not every guy wih the pedigree will work out but again all things being equal I'd rather have the top rookie TE than a guy who may or may not even be in a good situation 2 months from now. Sorry but I can't buy into March coach speak for a guy who has 20 career receptions on an offense that is likely to shift dramatically more to the run. Certainly not at that mid 2nd round price tag you mentioned earlier.

 

[Bojang0301]

I wouldn't take Hill over Amaro or Rudolph. That is his relative value right now. I'll admit it would take something nice to get him from me but I packaged him with the 1.12 and did get Jimmy Graham. Probably best to see what you can get for him in case Funchess or Williams gets drafted.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sean Payton at the Coaches meeting:

“This Josh Hill is another player that I love. I love,” Payton said during his fourth or fifth reference to the former undrafted free agent out of Idaho State. “When you look at his runs, jumps, height, weight, speed, you look at his measurables -- and he didn’t go to the combine, thank God.

"We were doing this study last year with the draft class, and they were talking about some of the top picks at tight end. So the scouts had the board, and this is human nature, but the scout would see [Hill as a] free-agent tight end, and kinda say, 'Well, he'll come in Year 1 and probably beat out Josh Hill.' And I'm like, 'He will?' I said, 'Well, let’s throw the numbers up on the board with their measurables.' And all of a sudden, Josh Hill, you look at a 38-inch vertical jump, he's an 11 broad (jump), three-cone, whatever. And the comparables to the top tight ends in the draft a year ago, I said, 'In every category this guy's better.' There's this perception, we're the same way as coaches, if we require someone as a free agent after the draft. But when you really look at the film and watch him, if I told you this guy was our third-round draft pick, you’d be excited now.

"We’ve just got to get that little jersey off his back that says, ‘I came here as a free agent.’ I think we feel like he's got a bright future.”​

Payton even threw a reference to the fantasy football crowd during another mention of Hill, saying, “Josh Hill is a player that we value a lot. He’s not on anyone’s fantasy first three rounds, I promise you. But he’s a real good tight end, he’s versatile in the running game, in the receiving game, as a special-teams player.”

From a December 2014 press conference with Sean Payton:

Are you surprised with all the production you’ve gotten out of Josh Hill this year?



“He sure has but he played well last year. He’s going to finish this season or did finish this season leading our team in tackles on special teams. He’s exactly what we are looking for because each week you know exactly what you’re going to get. He’s talented. He can run. He’s young. But he’s consistent. Those are the things that allow you to win.”



Can you talk about how Hill is an offensive player making special teams tackles?



“It is not the norm. When you get one it is a pretty good thing. When you get a tight end that potentially is going to be your special teams player of the year that is a good thing. He is one of those players had he went to the combine he probably would have been drafted. If you just took his numbers and plugged them in, height, weight, speed, vertical jump, broad jump, production, they are pretty impressive. He was a great addition for us, a great sign for us a couple of years ago.”



Would it be fair to say it is rare to see a player who came in last year as a rookie and grow? Josh Hill had as many touchdowns as Marques Colston this year.



“I think it is hard to find a special teams player and a tight end to begin with like that and then certainly to sign his as a free agent out of college would be unique.”

This is from August 2014:

[SIZE=12pt]What areas did you want to see Josh Hill improve in?[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]“He was a free agent. One of the things about him though were all of his measurables were very comparable to mid to high draft picks and so fortunately we got a player who came in and ran exceptionally well, tested well and then the ability to play in special teams, a role in all four units is a big deal, especially at tight end. He is a quick study. I think he has very good hands and I think that he is a player that keeps getting better. He is smart. I would say he has made a very good impact and certainly opened our eyes during this time last year. For a player like him to come in as a free agent, make the roster and be active each week is a credit to him.”[/SIZE]

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Total TE receptions by year before Jimmy arrived:

2009 - 88/947/5

2008 - 108/1186/3

2007 - 76/710/4

2006 - 45/411/1

 

[cstu]

Total TE receptions by year before Jimmy arrived:

2009 - 88/947/5

2008 - 108/1186/3

2007 - 76/710/4

2006 - 45/411/1

What are your thoughts on Watson? He's getting older but I can see him killing Hill's value like he did Cameron.

 

[ghostguy123]

I wouldn't take Hill over Amaro or Rudolph. That is his relative value right now. I'll admit it would take something nice to get him from me but I packaged him with the 1.12 and did get Jimmy Graham. Probably best to see what you can get for him in case Funchess or Williams gets drafted.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Total TE receptions by year before Jimmy arrived:

2009 - 88/947/5

2008 - 108/1186/3

2007 - 76/710/4

2006 - 45/411/1

What are your thoughts on Watson? He's getting older but I can see him killing Hill's value like he did Cameron.

It's probably been said here but it might be a committee. Watson has been consistent, dependable, does everything, he's just not real dynamic, doesn't do much downfield. I had hoped the Saints might use him to expand to more of a 2 TE system but that's never happened. - Also as you know nearly half of Brees' targets have left the building, there's room for both Watson and Hill to grow but there's a lot left to be written obviously. Overall I'd be surprised if Watson surpasses 30 catches.

I guess Hill's real promise might be in the end zone. After all his pronouncements about Hill and the way Payton has gone out of his way to work him into game plans and key situations I'd be surprised if they used the 1.31 on a TE. He may not (can't really) do what Graham does, and his pass catching and other skills leave a lot to be desired (IMO raw, though he caught 118 balls in his last 2 years at Idaho St.) but I could see him hit 10 TDs. That may be the one area where Watson could creep in like he used to in Cleveland, on the GL and oh there's Watson.

 

[Bojang0301]

I wouldn't take Hill over Amaro or Rudolph. That is his relative value right now. I'll admit it would take something nice to get him from me but I packaged him with the 1.12 and did get Jimmy Graham. Probably best to see what you can get for him in case Funchess or Williams gets drafted.

Not sure what's funny. People don't know what Hill's value is right now. It's only one example. The best offer I've personally received for him in any league is a 4th. Thought this thread and board was to discuss value. Most on here are just ########s though.

 

[Dezbelief]

Total TE receptions by year before Jimmy arrived:

2009 - 88/947/5

2008 - 108/1186/3

2007 - 76/710/4

2006 - 45/411/1

What are your thoughts on Watson? He's getting older but I can see him killing Hill's value like he did Cameron.

Compare what Watson did with his 30 targets vs what Hill did with his 20 targets.

Watson is good enough and reliable enough to keep the Saints from drafting a TE this year.

Both guys are going to see the field this year and my guess is that Hill is going to be more productive than Watson.

 

[ghostguy123]

I wouldn't take Hill over Amaro or Rudolph. That is his relative value right now. I'll admit it would take something nice to get him from me but I packaged him with the 1.12 and did get Jimmy Graham. Probably best to see what you can get for him in case Funchess or Williams gets drafted.

Not sure what's funny. People don't know what Hill's value is right now. It's only one example. The best offer I've personally received for him in any league is a 4th. Thought this thread and board was to discuss value. Most on here are just ########s though.

It's funny because you robbed that guy blind.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I wouldn't take Hill over Amaro or Rudolph. That is his relative value right now. I'll admit it would take something nice to get him from me but I packaged him with the 1.12 and did get Jimmy Graham. Probably best to see what you can get for him in case Funchess or Williams gets drafted.

Not sure what's funny. People don't know what Hill's value is right now. It's only one example. The best offer I've personally received for him in any league is a 4th. Thought this thread and board was to discuss value. Most on here are just ########s though.

GET HIM !!!

 

[SproutDaddy]

I wouldn't take Hill over Amaro or Rudolph. That is his relative value right now. I'll admit it would take something nice to get him from me but I packaged him with the 1.12 and did get Jimmy Graham. Probably best to see what you can get for him in case Funchess or Williams gets drafted.

Not sure what's funny. People don't know what Hill's value is right now. It's only one example. The best offer I've personally received for him in any league is a 4th. Thought this thread and board was to discuss value. Most on here are just ########s though.

Dude thinks he is the utmost opinion in dynasty fantasy. Horrible schtick. It's what happens when it's the ONLY form of game you have. SO serious will the ALL CAPS.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Josh Hill - TE - Saints

The Saints did not select a tight end in the 2015 NFL draft.

If the Josh Hill hype machine wasn't in fifth gear before, it should be now. The 6-foot-5 third-year man with impressive Pro Day measureables is set for a massive boost in role following the trade of Jimmy Graham. The Saints, especially offensive schemer Sean Payton, haven't stopped raving about this kid since the season ended.

May 3 - 10:58 AM

 

[Dan Hindery]

What do people think of Josh Hill vs. the rookie class?

I think it depends upon team needs as for where exactly he ranks, I feel he's a value anywhere in the 3rd round and I've taken him as early as 2.10 in a league where I felt I needed to add a young TE (to backup Graham ironically).

I'm curious if he has gone in any other rookie drafts (in leagues he wasn't already owned) and if so, where.

 

[Sabertooth]

What do people think of Josh Hill vs. the rookie class?

I think it depends upon team needs as for where exactly he ranks, I feel he's a value anywhere in the 3rd round and I've taken him as early as 2.10 in a league where I felt I needed to add a young TE (to backup Graham ironically).

I'm curious if he has gone in any other rookie drafts (in leagues he wasn't already owned) and if so, where.

I've got him just ahead of Maxx Williams. Right in the 25-30 range.

 

[Dezbelief]

2.10 sounds about right, I wouldn't fault anybody that needed a starting TE grabbing him a few spots higher.

 

[J Rod]

Just got him myself at 2.10 in a PPR 14-team league (26 overall).

Was going to take Maxx Williams but he was selected one spot ahead of me. Just didn't see any rookies that stood out to me at that point.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

I offered a 2016 2nd and was denied. I just traded Maxx Williams (He went 2.5) straight up for him. He is still only 25 (tomorrow) and looks to be a starter in a passing offense that likes the TE. I'll buy to see what happens. I'm not in the camp that thinks they are going to run more.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Not my pick, but Hill went at pick 22 in a 12 team ppr I'm in. Maxx went at 18.

 

[LBH]

What do people think of Josh Hill vs. the rookie class?

I think it depends upon team needs as for where exactly he ranks, I feel he's a value anywhere in the 3rd round and I've taken him as early as 2.10 in a league where I felt I needed to add a young TE (to backup Graham ironically).

I'm curious if he has gone in any other rookie drafts (in leagues he wasn't already owned) and if so, where.

Took him at 2.12 in a recent rook draft. Maxx went 4 or 5 spots before him I think

 

[cr8f]

Have him in a deep salary league pretty cheap hoping he busts out this year.

Same here. Took for $4 in waivers.

There are quite a few HOF'ers that went to small schools or were underrated. Rod Smith was pretty good.

Antonio Gates is pretty good too.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Have him in a deep salary league pretty cheap hoping he busts out this year.

Same here. Took for $4 in waivers.

There are quite a few HOF'ers that went to small schools or were underrated. Rod Smith was pretty good.

Sean Payton loves him in an offense that uses a TE a lot with only the 34 yo Ben Watson to take away snaps as of now? I'm trying to buy in one league but the guy sees the same thing I do i guess, he wants a future first for him because thats what Eifert/Ertz/Allen went for in our league.

 

[cr8f]

Have him in a deep salary league pretty cheap hoping he busts out this year.

Same here. Took for $4 in waivers.

There are quite a few HOF'ers that went to small schools or were underrated. Rod Smith was pretty good.

Sean Payton loves him in an offense that uses a TE a lot with only the 34 yo Ben Watson to take away snaps as of now? I'm trying to buy in one league but the guy sees the same thing I do i guess, he wants a future first for him because thats what Eifert/Ertz/Allen went for in our league.

Just took him last night for $4, didn't want to say anything til waivers were processed.

Maybe if some bad news comes out in OTA's his price will drop. A 1st is pretty high. In ours Maxx Williams went in the 1st this year but rarely do TE's go that high.

 

[ClownDogs]

I have him in a 1.5ppr for TE's, 16team full idp league. A few owners are after him but the way I see it, unless I get AT LEAST a first, there is no reason to deal him imo. My team is pretty good everywhere else, so better to hold him and if he has a great start, a 1st would be easy to acquire. If he isn't any good, doesn't really hurt me since I got him as a toss in player last season.

Like someone previously said, he is a TE friendly league with a QB that liked the TE, coach loves his talent and the WR's in N.O. aren't studs.

 

[cr8f]

Graham was hurt a lot the last few years, but was still surprised they traded him. That said Hill is a better blocker and they seem to be going back to a more balanced attack, like they had in 2009.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Graham was hurt a lot the last few years, but was still surprised they traded him. That said Hill is a better blocker and they seem to be going back to a more balanced attack, like they had in 2009.

They are a pass first team, always will be, I'll wait until I see it on the field before I believe the gossip.

The Graham trade was about money and attitude more than anything.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I have him in a 1.5ppr for TE's, 16team full idp league. A few owners are after him but the way I see it, unless I get AT LEAST a first, there is no reason to deal him imo. My team is pretty good everywhere else, so better to hold him and if he has a great start, a 1st would be easy to acquire. If he isn't any good, doesn't really hurt me since I got him as a toss in player last season.

Like someone previously said, he is a TE friendly league with a QB that liked the TE, coach loves his talent and the WR's in N.O. aren't studs.

It's also worth remembering that it doesn't take much of a stat line to crack the top 10 TEs these days ... usually 60 / 700 / 6 or something around there will do the trick (Jason Witten was TE10 in one of my leagues last year with a pretty pedestrian 64 / 703 / 5).

Given you can get replacement-level production so cheaply, I'd rather take my chances on a guy like Hill who at least might have a chance (albeit a small one) of delivering a top-5 season through some combination of scheme and talent, than someone like Fleener / Walker / Donnell who might be a better bet for 60 / 700 / 6 but for whom that kind of stat line is almost certainly his ceiling.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

I have him in a 1.5ppr for TE's, 16team full idp league. A few owners are after him but the way I see it, unless I get AT LEAST a first, there is no reason to deal him imo. My team is pretty good everywhere else, so better to hold him and if he has a great start, a 1st would be easy to acquire. If he isn't any good, doesn't really hurt me since I got him as a toss in player last season.

Like someone previously said, he is a TE friendly league with a QB that liked the TE, coach loves his talent and the WR's in N.O. aren't studs.

It's also worth remembering that it doesn't take much of a stat line to crack the top 10 TEs these days ... usually 60 / 700 / 6 or something around there will do the trick (Jason Witten was TE10 in one of my leagues last year with a pretty pedestrian 64 / 703 / 5).

Given you can get replacement-level production so cheaply, I'd rather take my chances on a guy like Hill who at least might have a chance (albeit a small one) of delivering a top-5 season through some combination of scheme and talent, than someone like Fleener / Walker / Donnell who might be a better bet for 60 / 700 / 6 but for whom that kind of stat line is almost certainly his ceiling.

 

[cr8f]

Graham was hurt a lot the last few years, but was still surprised they traded him. That said Hill is a better blocker and they seem to be going back to a more balanced attack, like they had in 2009.

They are a pass first team, always will be, I'll wait until I see it on the field before I believe the gossip.

The Graham trade was about money and attitude more than anything.

It was about improving the offensive line and having someone healthy enough to play too.

Their Super Bowl year they ran a lot, whether they passed first or not.

 

[BigSteelThrill]