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JRE Podcast w/Dr. Peter McCullough - MUST WATCH (For the Open-Minded) (1 Viewer)

LawFitz

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My goodness what an amazing long-form interview, covering so much of what has gone sideways with societal Covid policy. This is a must listen/watch for anyone out there who actually wants to explore and consider all sides and angles of this issue...

It's been banned on SpewTube, Twatter, Fakebook, so you'll need to access the Joe Rogan Podcast episode directly on Spotify. It's available on their free platform, but you'll need to register for a Spotify account. The video version is only available on mobile devices from what I can tell, but you can listen to the audio version from your computer... Spotify.com. 

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WARNING: the information presented by Dr. McCullough in this interview is mind-blowing. Many here won't like it at all b/c it'll challenge so many of their dug-in narratives. Many here will surely try to attack me and/or Dr. McCullough for conveying this to you. Listen to the interview and decide for yourselves whether or not it's worth your time. I'm listening to hour 3 (of 2:45) now and it's beyond worth your time IMHO.

 
You post nonsense like this about once a week.

McCullough is a discredited hack.   After Baylor fired him for spreading misinformation about Covid, it sued him and won to keep him from claiming he was affiliated with their school since he is such an embarrassment his claim that he was still affiliated with them damaged its reputation.

You spend three hours listening to discredited conspiracy theories?  No wonder you post so much of this trash.

 
Holy ####, at ~2:19:00, Dr. McCullough reveals that someone had tried to assassinate him with a sniper attack from afar. Thank God, he survived and was able to film this session for posterity. Wowzers at that revelation. One of several in this interview that made me stop working and rewind to listen again.

 
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You post nonsense like this about once a week.

McCullough is a discredited hack.   After Baylor fired him for spreading misinformation about Covid, it sued him and won to keep him from claiming he was affiliated with their school since he is such an embarrassment his claim that he was still affiliated with them damaged its reputation.

You spend three hours listening to discredited conspiracy theories?  No wonder you post so much of this trash.
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On cue. Well done, fishman.

 
Some of McCullough's claims which have been proven false:

Asymptomatic people cannot spread Covid

Vaccinations cause spike proteins to circulate throughout a person’s body and can potentially lead to death.

Covid patients under 50 not only don't need vaccines, they don't even need treatment.

 
-fish- said:
Some of McCullough's claims which have been proven false:

Asymptomatic people cannot spread Covid

Vaccinations cause spike proteins to circulate throughout a person’s body and can potentially lead to death.

Covid patients under 50 not only don't need vaccines, they don't even need treatment.
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Don't listen to the message, folks, because Fishman doesn't like the messenger!!

BTW, Peter McCullough is a renowned and widely published Cardiologist...

Peter A McCullough

Consultant Cardiologist and Chief of the Division of Nutrition and Preventive Medicine

William Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak, Michigan

Personal History -

Dr. Peter A. McCullough was born in Buffalo, New York, on the 29th of December 1962. During high school, he and his family moved to Wichita Falls in Texas and later settled in Grapevine. He has lived and worked in various parts of the United States, including Washington and Michigan, and he now resides in Dallas, Texas. 

Academic History -

Dr. McCullough attended Baylor University and graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in 1984. He then attended the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, where he studied for his medical degree and graduated in June 1988. Following this, he undertook his residency in internal medicine at the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle, where he trained for 3 years.¹

Upon completing his residency in 1991, Dr. McCullough transferred to Grayling, Michigan, where he served for 2 years as an internal medicine attending at Mercy Hospital. Following his time at Mercy Hospital, he enrolled at the University of Michigan School of Public Health and studied a Masters degree in Public Health. 

After he graduated from the University of Michigan School of Public Health in 1994, he became a fellow in cardiovascular diseases at the Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak, Michigan. 

Career Overview -

Dr. McCullough joined the Henry Ford Heart and Vascular Institute in Detroit following his fellowship at the Beaumont Hospital, where he remained until 2000. He then moved to Kansas City, Missouri, to serve as Section Chief of Cardiology of the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine, Truman Medical Centers. 

After his time in Missouri, Dr. McCullough returned to Michigan to serve as a Consultant Cardiologist at the Beaumont Hospital, and also as Chief, Division of Nutrition and Preventive Medicine Division of Cardiology. In 2010, following his stint at Beaumont Hospital, he was appointed as the Chief Academic and Scientific officer of the St. John Providence Health System, also in Detroit. In 2014, Dr. McCullough joined Baylor University Medical Center as Vice Chief of Internal Medicine. He was also appointed Chief of Cardiovascular Research of the Baylor Heart and Vascular Institute, and Program Director of the Cardiovascular Disease Fellowship Program.²

Dr. McCullough is recognized internationally as a leading figure in the study of chronic kidney disease as a cardiovascular risk state, having over 1,000 publications to his name and over 500 citations in the National Library of Medicine.³ He is also a founder of the Cardio Renal Society of America, which is a group that dedicates itself to bringing cardiologists and nephrologists together to work on the increasing global issue of cardiorenal syndromes. He is the Co-Editor of Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine and is also currently serving as the Chair of the National Kidney Foundation's Kidney Early Evaluation Program (KEEP), the largest community screening effort for chronic diseases in America.⁴

Career Timeline -

1984: Graduated from Baylor University with a Bachelor in Science

1988: Graduated with a medical degree from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School

1991: Completed his residency at University of Washington School of Medicine

1991: Dr. McCullough begins his period as a medical attending at Mercy Hospital

1993: Studies his Masters degree in Public Health at the University of Michigan School of Public Health

1994: Begins his fellowship in cardiovascular diseases at the William Beaumont Hospital

1997: Joins the Henry Ford Heart and Vascular Institute

2000: Appointed to serve as Section Chief of Cardiology of the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine, Truman Medical Center

2002: Made a Consultant Cardiologist and Division Chief of Nutrition and Preventive Medicine at the William Beaumont Hospital

2010: Serves as the Chief Academic and Scientific officer of the St. John Providence Health System

Current: Joined Baylor University Medical Center as Vice Chief of Internal Medicine and Chief of Cardiovascular Research of the Baylor Heart and Vascular Institute

Recognition -

Dr. McCullough received the International Vicenza Award for Critical Care Nephrology for his outstanding work and contribution in the area of cardiorenal syndromes. He has also been a recipient of the Simon Dack Award from the American College of Cardiology, and his works have appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association, and other prestigious journals worldwide. He has been an invited lecturer at the New York Academy of Sciences, the National Institutes of Health, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the European Medicines Agency, and the U.S. Congressional Oversight Panel.⁵

Areas of Speciality -

Coronary Artery Disease

Chronic Kidney Disease as a Cardiovascular Risk State

High Blood Pressure

High Cholesterol

Hypertension

Sports Cardiology
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-fish- said:
Some of McCullough's claims which have been proven false:

Asymptomatic people cannot spread Covid

Vaccinations cause spike proteins to circulate throughout a person’s body and can potentially lead to death.

Covid patients under 50 not only don't need vaccines, they don't even need treatment.
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Now do fauci..

 
-fish- said:
He also claims that the vaccines cause virus mutations, which was also proven false.
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He and others make the argument that leaky vaccines give rise to mutations that escape vaccine block. There's compelling evidence for that - what you are referring to is the strawman counter that vaccines cause the mutations directly. That's not what they are saying, but you are twisting their message into something else, in order to try to disprove their position. Marek's vaccine analog is a great real-world example of how vaccine-escape leads to the rise of adaptively selected variants, particularly in the cases of leaky vaccines.

 
LawFitz said:
Holy ####, at ~2:19:00, Dr. McCullough reveals that someone had tried to assassinate him with a sniper attack from afar. Thank God, he survived and was able to film this session for posterity. Wowzers at that revelation. One of several in this interview that made me stop working and rewind to listen again.
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:lol:  What

 
stlrams said:
I know but find it humorous that people are so quick to discredit someone for getting something wrong when every expert has been wrong at some point on covid.  Great win Monday night....
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Wrong vs pushing pseudoscience that has already been disproven?  You see the difference, right?

 
stlrams said:
I know but find it humorous that people are so quick to discredit someone for getting something wrong when every expert has been wrong at some point on covid.  Great win Monday night....
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Sure I understand that. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t people that deserve to be discredited. Not claiming this doctor is the one blah blah blah. I’m just saying that just like LF is waiting for people to criticize this alternative thinking the second somebody brings up cogent argument about the alternative thinking the conversation gets distracted again by bringing up a different persons mistakes.  
 

Huge huge huge win. Feel like that is a season turning win honestly.  

 
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LawFitz said:
It's been banned on SpewTube, Twatter, Fakebook, so you'll need to access the Joe Rogan Podcast episode directly on Spotify. It's available on their free platform, but you'll need to register for a Spotify account. The video version is only available on mobile devices from what I can tell, but you can listen to the audio version from your computer... Spotify.com. 
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It wouldn’t surprise me to see an outcry to spotify to censor this

 
stlrams said:
I know but find it humorous that people are so quick to discredit someone for getting something wrong when every expert has been wrong at some point on covid.  Great win Monday night....
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This guy isn't just getting things wrong, or relying on shifting information as studies come in.   He's pushing groundless conspiracies and blatant falsehoods.   There's a reason Baylor won their lawsuit against him and has a restraining order against him ordering him not to claim he's got any affiliation with the school.   He's an embarrassment.   

 
No doubt the regulars will want to CANCEL any alternate views, but, grownups can state claims the DR has made and discuss and make up our own minds.  I'll start.  He claims a John Hopkins SARS Pandemic Scenario was more than just a training exercise.  You can find info about the SARS Pandemic Scenario here, and a link to download the book.

Argument for:  Chapter 4

Following limited evidence of success in treating SPARS patients with Kalocivir, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for this drug as a SPARS therapeutic in the United States. While Kalocivir had a positive impact against SPARS, preliminary data indicated it also caused intense stomach cramping in a statistically significant number of adult cases. Additionally, while initial hopes had been that Kalocivir would, in addition to treating the disease, prevent or reduce transmission, this was not the case. Nevertheless, due to high public demand for access to viable SPARS treatments, public health and healthcare agencies drew from existing SNS inventories of Kalocivir (several million doses) until further production of the drug could begin.
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Just the first paragraph, but, the FDA issues an EUA for a treatment that is not particularly effective with side effects.  It goes on to explain (you can read it for yourself) how the message through the news and social media diverge from everyone wanting to take the medicine to individual groups looking for natural cures and resistance from interest groups because the drug was "untested".

The first food for thought in the exercise is to figure out how to advert potential inconsistent messaging about it's safety and efficacy:

How could pre-crisis partnerships and alliances have averted the potential for inconsistent messaging around Kalocivir safety and efficacy? What are the potential effects of unaligned official messages about MCM safety and efficacy?
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While I find it a worthwhile exercise in forethought to figure out how to spread a consistent message, I find it more than curious that they chose to do it for a drug that "didn't prevent or reduce transmission"  and had a "statistically signification number" of side effects.  

In short, they practiced how to provide a consistent message that it was safe and effective even though the drug wasn't particularly safe or effective.  

 
-fish- said:
This guy isn't just getting things wrong, or relying on shifting information as studies come in.   He's pushing groundless conspiracies and blatant falsehoods.   There's a reason Baylor won their lawsuit against him and has a restraining order against him ordering him not to claim he's got any affiliation with the school.   He's an embarrassment.   
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Not to mention every time he's on TV, Fauci was an embarrassment when he lied to congress.  

 
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KarmaPolice said:
Oh man - I am ready to get my mind blown!!  

:hitsplay:  
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Enjoy your journey into ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, false claims of being retained by multiple governments, and references to studies that were pulled by journals.  Of the misinformation spread by the "disinformation dozen" this guy is the source of a lot of it.

 
-fish- said:
Enjoy your journey into ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, false claims of being retained by multiple governments, and references to studies that were pulled by journals.  Of the misinformation spread by the "disinformation dozen" this guy is the source of a lot of it.
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Hey man, some of us are open to getting our minds blown.  ;)  

 
"... the McCullough protocol, which has now been copyrighted ...". Hmmmm. I see why he is so invested in this treatment.

 
LawFitz said:
He and others make the argument that leaky vaccines give rise to mutations that escape vaccine block. There's compelling evidence for that - what you are referring to is the strawman counter that vaccines cause the mutations directly. That's not what they are saying, but you are twisting their message into something else, in order to try to disprove their position. Marek's vaccine analog is a great real-world example of how vaccine-escape leads to the rise of adaptively selected variants, particularly in the cases of leaky vaccines.
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delta variant came from India....before they instituted their vaccine program.  leaky vaccine theory fail.

junk science from a proven fraud.   

 
Lol. Joe tells him that his friend has had covid twice and he tells him "nope, you're wrong, not possible". I guess you can't be proven wrong if you just don't accept evidence that proves you wrong.

 
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Makes you wonder he was like this before he went to medical school or whether he just went off the rails at a later date.   Seems weird to study medicine but not believe in accepted science or fact-based logic.

 
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LawFitz said:
My goodness what an amazing long-form interview, covering so much of what has gone sideways with societal Covid policy. This is a must listen/watch for anyone out there who actually wants to explore and consider all sides and angles of this issue...

It's been banned on SpewTube, Twatter, Fakebook, so you'll need to access the Joe Rogan Podcast episode directly on Spotify. It's available on their free platform, but you'll need to register for a Spotify account. The video version is only available on mobile devices from what I can tell, but you can listen to the audio version from your computer... Spotify.com. 

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WARNING: the information presented by Dr. McCullough in this interview is mind-blowing. Many here won't like it at all b/c it'll challenge so many of their dug-in narratives. Many here will surely try to attack me and/or Dr. McCullough for conveying this to you. Listen to the interview and decide for yourselves whether or not it's worth your time. I'm listening to hour 3 (of 2:45) now and it's beyond worth your time IMHO.
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#GishGallop

 
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It really is fascinating to watch how political affiliation seems to determine whether you are open to and/or defend this guy vs. calling him a hack or a fraud.

 
AAABatteries said:
It really is fascinating to watch how political affiliation seems to determine whether you are open to and/or defend this guy vs. calling him a hack or a fraud.
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perhaps one group is just more gullible.  there's a reason so many on the right have defended lawsuits by claiming "no reasonable person would believe what I say"

 
timschochet said:
This is the exact same argument made by flat earthers, evolution skeptics, climate change doubters, and Holocaust deniers. Why aren’t we willing to listen to alternative views??
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also Lin Wood, Sydney Powell, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, and Sean Hannity.  

 
dkp993 said:
A big Joe Rogan fan and love his interviews.  Also a big Sam Harris fan.  Here’s what Sam Harris thinks about the Joe Rogan Dr Peter interview. Pretty long video attached to this as well. 
 

https://mobile.twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/1471991180233625602
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Thanks for posting that video. That guy skewers conspiracy theories, anti-vaxxers, censorship, mandates and big tech. Everyone should be able to find something to like about that video. 🙂

I honestly would love to read @LawFitz response to this video, since he is such a big fan of the Rogan interview.

 
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Wierd, but not suprising. Nobody took me up on my discussion.  I mean this guy is probably nuts, yet, you have nothing.  Tharts notable. Regular people. 

 
tonydead said:
Wierd, but not suprising. Nobody took me up on my discussion.  I mean this guy is probably nuts, yet, you have nothing.  Tharts notable. Regular people. 
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Note what all their messages polluting this thread are based upon... Attack the Messenger!!!

Well done, boys.

 
AAABatteries said:
It really is fascinating to watch how political affiliation seems to determine whether you are open to and/or defend this guy vs. calling him a hack or a fraud.
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Why bring politics into it?

Either he's a hack and a fraud (he is) or he's not.

Truth still exists and if one side abandons it, it's not a "both sides" thing.

 
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