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I watched every minute of last night's game and I own neither JJ nor MBIII, but I simply can't see how anyone can judge JJ by what he did or didn't do last night. MBIII was clearly set up to succeed with 3 carries from inside the 3, to the draw plays in the 2nd half. The 2nd down run from the 2 was as bad a run as any I've seen all year. He had the whole side wide open and fell down. Very few RB's get three in a row from there and he had another hole on 3rd down. JJ meanwhile, had no red-zone touches, ran 6-7 1st down runs vs. a gap/run blitz package and had nowhere to go. He had no draws, no 3rd down chances, no screens, no misdirection, and only one pass with no yac potential.

Bottom line, I just can't see how Dallas benefits from an offensive game plan like this. Only MBIII was given a chance to get anything going. JJ clearly was not. Both backs have to be looking over their shoulders thinking they have to be perfect or they'll be on the bench. Dallas didn't win because of what they did on offense and they should've lost because of offense. They couldn't do anything on 3rd down, they couldn't run, and they couldn't control the clock, they nearly fumbed the game away at the end. Hopefully the figure it out this week, but what happened last night wasn't good for anyone.
Agent 86 nailed it, Parcells will smarten up and choose one back to be the dominant ball carrier. I say Julius. :thumbup:
 
I would like to see JJ supporters actually bring something to the table besides "JJ is better" or "MBIII played weak D's"

So, here is the challege for JJ owner/supporter: Please give me statistical information that shows why JJ is better than MBIII, for the year, for last nights game. I don't want opinions/excuses, show me the numbers!!!!! I want Facts and not Opinions.
My goodness, Mel must be right. MBIII is three times the RB that JJ is. They played in the same game last night and MBIII had 30 more yards and a TD. Didn't you guys see that? Where was this brilliant fellow when we were all drafting? What could we have been thinking to not draft MBIII ahead of JJ back in August. The fact that JJ was #1 going into the season was all windowdressing. Those games he had last year were a mirage. Mel, you're the best.
LMAO Oh that's good sarcasm. Mel is that a picture of you? If it is... um sweet picture man. (now that's sarcasm)
 
Still no response to the requested statistics for the pair of backs I provided...... hmmmm. Julius has had the better of the pair's first 3 games started. Which still does not me a damn thing.... but I provided them.

 
I would like to see JJ supporters actually bring something to the table besides "JJ is better" or "MBIII played weak D's"

So, here is the challege for JJ owner/supporter: Please give me statistical information that shows why JJ is better than MBIII, for the year, for last nights game. I don't want opinions/excuses, show me the numbers!!!!! I want Facts and not Opinions.
Can't do this until they play an equal number of games..... which I suggested a few times. If Barber is better after, so be it. I am an owner of neither..... but I do think Jones is a better player.Curtis Martin was the most injury prone individual in college (I went to Pitt at the same time).... he always had an injury and even missed the majority of his senior season. His initial NFL career was also filled with questions of his durability, and some inury concern. He was even "challenged" by another RB for his 1st 2 years..... (the name escapes me at the moment). Parcells said A LOT of the same thinsg about Martin that he has been saying about Jones.

All that said, the jury is still out..... we shall see.
My point exactly ........... only opinionsIts funny because MBIII supporter brings stats to the table, JJ supporter brings opinion and trys to play the tallent card. You reference Curtis Martin, thats funny because he was a 3rd round pick I believe, I guess you can find tallent ANYWHERE in the draft.

You can't compare JJ last year to JJ this year. Different team, no MBIII. JJ this year to MBIII this year.
What is your point? The stats for Marion Barber do not mean a thing against Julius's this year. But if you want stats for both of their first 3 games (starts) of their careers here they are:Julius Jones

Week 11 @ BALTIMORE : 81 yrds rushing

Week 12 vs. Chicago: 150 yrds rushing, 2TD

Week 13 @ Seattle: 198 yrds rushing, 3 TD

Total: 429 yrds rushing, 5 TD

Marion Barber III

Week 7 @ Seattle: 95 yrds rushing

Week 8 vs. Arizona: 127 yrds rushing, 2TD

Week 10 @ Philadelphia: 46 yrds rushing, 1TD

Total: 268 yrds rushing, 3 TD

Looks better so far for Julius to me...... but it is still not a fair comparrison. We will see after they START the same number of games.
You are comparing last years Jones stats to this years MBIIIs.....I don't know if you understand that there are to many variables involved to do so. MBIII was not even on the team, and then you ask for a response? I hope you realize how dumb that was.
 
I would like to see JJ supporters actually bring something to the table besides "JJ is better" or "MBIII played weak D's"

So, here is the challege for JJ owner/supporter: Please give me statistical information that shows why JJ is better than MBIII, for the year, for last nights game. I don't want opinions/excuses, show me the numbers!!!!! I want Facts and not Opinions.
Over the final 7 games of last year, JJ averaged 128 total yards and a TD per game.Over the first 4 games of this year when JJ was healthy he averaged 104 total yards and 0.75 TD per game.

Yes Barber has looked decent in his 3 career starts but JJ's number speak for themselves. He's a solid back. Oh and one last thing..... Parcells hates fumblers and Barber has 3 fumbles in 83 touches this year. Not good.

 
Im waiting for those stats? Instead of statistical evidence I get ripped by JJ fans, and they only reply with opinions. You know why? Because you can't prove statistically that JJ is better than MBIII. :boxing: This will be responded to by more opinions and no statistics or true evidence. Just more proof that MBIII should get 20 carries a game.

 
Im waiting for those stats? Instead of statistical evidence I get ripped by JJ fans, and they only reply with opinions. You know why? Because you can't prove statistically that JJ is better than MBIII.

:boxing:

This will be responded to by more opinions and no statistics or true evidence. Just more proof that MBIII should get 20 carries a game.
Dumb? I gave you exactly what you asked for....... You are a schmuck.... there is NOTHING that will make you agree. You asked for stats, and I provided them. Julius has had the better of the first 3 career starts, period, end of story. By your backwards logic, NOBODY can provide stats for Julius Jones that will satisfy your "criteria". Barber was not on the team last year, Julius was injured this year... you are not worth it.As I have said, we will see. If Barber earns the job as the starter, good for him. I still have an OPINION that Julius Jones is the more dynamic and explosive back between the two.

 
I would like to see JJ supporters actually bring something to the table besides "JJ is better" or "MBIII played weak D's"

So, here is the challege for JJ owner/supporter: Please give me statistical information that shows why JJ is better than MBIII, for the year, for last nights game. I don't want opinions/excuses, show me the numbers!!!!! I want Facts and not Opinions.
Over the final 7 games of last year, JJ averaged 128 total yards and a TD per game.Over the first 4 games of this year when JJ was healthy he averaged 104 total yards and 0.75 TD per game.

Yes Barber has looked decent in his 3 career starts but JJ's number speak for themselves. He's a solid back. Oh and one last thing..... Parcells hates fumblers and Barber has 3 fumbles in 83 touches this year. Not good.
:goodposting: Zing! There is a stat.... but of course it will not be the type of stat that needs to be provided......
 
Far be it for me to be to attempt to be a voice of reason, but I simply don't understand why people "pimp" a player (for example Barber or Jones in this thread) beyond the confines of reason.As fantasy football players, shouldn't we examine the situation, and try to determine a players value now and going forward and make moves accordingly?Determine value (and perceived value) and then buy, sell or hold.In one league I have Julius Jones, but that doesn't mean I'll senselessly argue that Barber poses no threat. I want information to assess weather Jones' value is going up or down and make the "right" move. Should I sell now or hold? In another league I have Barber but that doesn't mean that I'll senselessly argue that he has hands down took the starting job from Jones. It won't help my team to delude myself.The only answer I have as to why some people don't wan't to look at a player and a position with the appropriate emotional distance is that they want to engage in "pissing matches."So, as I end my rant, piss away.

 
Far be it for me to be to attempt to be a voice of reason, but I simply don't understand why people "pimp" a player (for example Barber or Jones in this thread) beyond the confines of reason.

As fantasy football players, shouldn't we examine the situation, and try to determine a players value now and going forward and make moves accordingly?

Determine value (and perceived value) and then buy, sell or hold.

In one league I have Julius Jones, but that doesn't mean I'll senselessly argue that Barber poses no threat.  I want information to assess weather Jones' value is going up or down and make the "right" move.  Should I sell now or hold?

In another league I have Barber but that doesn't mean that I'll senselessly argue that he has hands down took the starting job from Jones.  It won't help my team to delude myself.

The only answer I have as to why some people don't wan't to look at a player and a position with the appropriate emotional distance is that they want to engage in "pissing matches."

So, as I end my rant, piss away.
VERY :goodposting:
 
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Dont flame me, its my first post. This reminds me of moore/bennett last year. Same arguements, different players. The difference here is that Parcels is much smarter then Tice. JJ will be the majority carrier this year but I think that MB3 will be the man next year, mid season. JJ doesnt seem like he wants it as bad as a 4th round draft pick from MN.Flame away. :boxing:

 
Another thing that definately is going in Barber's way is the pass protection. While Parcels hate fumbles, he loves some1 who can actually pick up the blitz. Barber wasn't just blocking people, he was blowing them up on Monday night. Granted he did make a bit of a booboo by blocking the corner coming on the outside one time when he should have taken Trotter coming up the middle, but at least he blocked somebody. I think it'll be RBBC for a little while, but Barber played better than Jones did on Monday night.

 
Another thing that definately is going in Barber's way is the pass protection. While Parcels hate fumbles, he loves some1 who can actually pick up the blitz. Barber wasn't just blocking people, he was blowing them up on Monday night. Granted he did make a bit of a booboo by blocking the corner coming on the outside one time when he should have taken Trotter coming up the middle, but at least he blocked somebody.
Daanswr4, you are right about Barber's pass protection. He totally lit up the blitzer on that long bomb to Peerless. I mean, knocked the guy off his feet.On that Trotter play you referenced, I am not sure if Trotter should have been Barber's guy or the fullback, Polite's, guy. Both Polite and Barber went for the corner blitzer. Both left Trotter "unescorted" towards Bledsoe. My initial take was that Polite should have taken Trotter. But, thinking about it later, Barber perhaps should have taken Trotter since he could see Polite taking the corner. : :shrug: :

 
It's totally flawed to use stats from 3 games against mediocre competition and draw any conclusions based on that. JJ is the starter regardless of Barbers astounding 3 games (dripping with sarcasm). Barber has averaged a whopping 4 ypc with 3 fumbles in less than 100 carries. Barber has been a good backup and if JJ can't stay healthy this situation may bear closing monitoring but right now JJ is starter. Note: I have neither Barber nor JJ but have played fantasy football for more than 2 weeks.....

 
It is really :eek: to see how well Barber plays when given the chance for being a rookie. The guy blocks so well and picks up blitzes extremely well for someone with limited experience in the NFL. To see Parcels trusting him as a rookie in the playoff run in must win games out there at the end of 4th quarters blocking and taking hand offs shows me that this guy has great talent.Barber is earning his playing time. JJ is losing playing time to Barber because he is not as complete an all around back as Barber right now in their young careers. Right now Barber if given the ball as much as JJ would produce at par to or probably better then Jones. Jones is lucky that he had that great finish to last season otherwise he would would be on the bench and Barber would be starting. Right now it seems clear to me that Barber is playing better when given the chance.

 
What is the deal with JJ? He doesn't seem to be the same runner he was last year. He appears tentative and is always running with both arms covering the ball (which must affect his balance). Is he still hurt?I'm an MB3 owner and never expected this late in the season that MB3 would look better than JJ when both were healthy and playing.

 
Julius supporter who realizes that both guys are works in progress, and that Barber looked better than JJ yesterday. No explanation for what's going on with JJ. He still looks great on draw plays though.

 
No question Barber looked better yesterday. Much stronger. I'm wondering if JJ's ankle is bothering him more than he's letting on. He doesn't look the same as last year.

 
Blurb from Matt Mosely in the Dallas Morning News...

Cowboys have a good Barber: In addition to lending his last name to cheesy headlines, rookie running back Marion Barber is becoming a pretty good player.

A week after he was basically frozen out of the Cowboys' game plan in a 17-10 loss to the Giants, Barber came through with a clutch performance against the Chiefs.

He finished with 15 carries for 82 yards and had two catches for 32 yards. His 5.5 yards per carry was a sight for sore eyes. And even though Bill Parcells will want no part of this topic, Barber may be the best back on the team right now.

I’m an admitted Julius Jones apologist, but he has not regained last season’s form. There’s just not the same burst. Meanwhile, Barber is grinding out yards between the tackles. The guy looked like a poor man’s Larry Johnson on Sunday.

He had the clutch 11-yard first-down catch to extend the Cowboys’ game-winning drive with 3:11 left. He then had runs of eight and four before making a 21-yard catch to the Chiefs’ 6-yard line with 1:13 left.

Quarterback Drew Bledsoe, wide receiver Terry Glenn and tight end Jason Witten had big days, but the Cowboys don’t win without Barber.

I still think Jones is a good back, but based on Sunday’s results, Barber should be the starter.

And I never thought I would use those words.

:coffee:

 
Jones dynasty owner checking in.This will be very interesting to watch as it unfolds. Tune in next week. If JJ is on the pine then all bets are off. Maybe I'll dump and take a shot at Bush.

 

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