TheFanatic
Footballguy
Can this guy officially retire so I can get my salary cap space back in my contract league. This chump is going to eat up a roster spot and cap dollars for me. Crap...
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Justin Blackmon Suspended Indefinitely (1 Viewer)
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pghrob
Footballguy
The NFL is ill equipped to deal with how to support potential superstars who struggle with chronic use of recreational alcohol and marijuana. They have proven that they do not yet have a solution on how to find a way to help these young, talented, but troubled users who cannot control their desire to use these recreational substances. Until the figure out a way to help them, the NFL and its fans are going to be left wondering what could have been with guys like Blackmon and perhaps Gordon.
JaxBill
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
sheesh
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Justin Blackmon - WR - Jaguars
Justin Blackmon was arrested on marijuana possession charges Wednesday night.
According to police in Edmond, Oklahoma, Blackmon was stopped for a traffic violation and officers could smell an odor of marijuana coming from the car. After a search, marijuana was found and Blackmon was taken into custody. It's the latest transgression for the Jaguars wideout, who was suspended for a year last October following repeated violations of the substance-abuse policy. This certainly won't help Blackmon as he aims to get reinstated for the 2015 season.
Source: Newson6.com
Jul 24 - 10:17 AM
Justin Blackmon was arrested on marijuana possession charges Wednesday night.
According to police in Edmond, Oklahoma, Blackmon was stopped for a traffic violation and officers could smell an odor of marijuana coming from the car. After a search, marijuana was found and Blackmon was taken into custody. It's the latest transgression for the Jaguars wideout, who was suspended for a year last October following repeated violations of the substance-abuse policy. This certainly won't help Blackmon as he aims to get reinstated for the 2015 season.
Source: Newson6.com
Jul 24 - 10:17 AM
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Are there any weed nicknames after these guys yet?
Black 'Jamaica' mon
Black 'Jamaica' mon
Donnybrook
Footballguy
It only been 2 years but man I am glad the Vikings went with Matt Kalil over Blackmon and Claiborne.
I can still recall Brian Baldinger making the argument that the Vikings didn't require a left tackle because they have a mobile QB in Christian Ponder. Some of these NFL commentators have no clue.
I can still recall Brian Baldinger making the argument that the Vikings didn't require a left tackle because they have a mobile QB in Christian Ponder. Some of these NFL commentators have no clue.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Jeebus Frock'n Cripes! 
How hard life must be when you are, young, rich, in great physical condition.
Poor Justin Blackmon.
How hard life must be when you are, young, rich, in great physical condition.
Poor Justin Blackmon.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
To society? Its not a big deal, to the NFL its the same as the .09 debate with Gordon. It's an inability to follow league rules; nothing less, nothing more.
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JaxBill
Footballguy
Mostly agree with this. The league could structure these suspensions better to help the player more instead of punishment being the main objective. (i.e. no contact with team during suspension). It is difficult to get out of Stage 3 of this program once you're in.
But given the leash that Blackmon has been allowed, I don't think anybody can help him until he helps himself.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
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VaTerp
Footballguy
I don't think it matters if they are potential superstars or not, but agree the NFL is ill equipped to deal with recreational alcohol and marijuana use among it's players. My personal opinion, which I realize may be unpopular, is that it's ridiculous that in a league that basically pushes abuse of painkillers and other prescription drugs chooses to penalize players for marijuana use, which is less harmful and has documented medical benefits. I also find it ironic that a league that generates hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue from alcohol advertising and sales has such a seemingly strict standard for players who enter the "drug program." I think the NFL and NFLPA needs to completely rethink the way they approach the drug program in the next CBA. It's ludicrous to me that guys' careers are threatened for recreational marijuana use.
That said, the current rules are the rules and at this point Blackmon deserves whatever punishment he gets. When you have that much to lose it's just beyond any reason that he would put himself in position to have this latest arrest. He obviously needs help, and to help himself, as his decision making indicates much larger problems than recreational drug use.
DUIs are a serious issue and should be dealt with by state legal and judicial systems. But I just think society as a whole, and the NFL in particular, has the whole weed and alcohol thing completely wrong.
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Warhogs
Footballguy
Remember that when we refer to the NFL we are really talking about the NFL and the player's union. I really wish the sides would get together and make rehab a requirement when a player gets suspended. I'm not sure that rehab is always that successful either but they need to come up with a solution to force these guys to look at their lifestyle and understand what an opportunity they are blowing for themselves.
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Insoxicated
Forget the debate on whether weed should be illegal or not. Bottom line is these morons are put in a scenario where it's:
"If you stop smoking weed (or do it in the offseason and don't get caught in public with it), then we will pay you $50-100 million dollars"
And these idiots respond by promptly sparking one up. No sympathy IMO.
"If you stop smoking weed (or do it in the offseason and don't get caught in public with it), then we will pay you $50-100 million dollars"
And these idiots respond by promptly sparking one up. No sympathy IMO.
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steveski
Footballguy
I can now say with 90% certainty that Blakmon is done with the NFL. I was hoping that the no news about him lately was good news and that he was doing everything to get over an addiction/problem. It's pretty clear now that it isn't the case. Gordon has a better chance of playing again than this guy does, IMO.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I don't complain about players often as I expect to be burnt with injuries and suspensions, it's always been part of fantasy play... but, damn, this guy is burning me after an unwarrented large investment. Not sure, even now, I can cut him loose after such a big investment. I saw a guy hold onto Ricky Williams during that fiasco and get a championship out of it.... ugh.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Something has to give with pot. I'm not trying to debate the justification of Blackmon's suspension but weed is becoming socially acceptable, even legal in multiple states. Sure some jobs should still test for it: police, military, public jobs, anything nuclear, etc... NFL Football player who doesn't get tested for HGH is not one of them. Especially if the Ray Rice story holds true.
steveski
Footballguy
If you can't avoid doing drugs to be guaranteed millions of dollars then you have a problem. I love steak but if I were guaranteed millions of dollars I'd never eat one again and I'd be out there holding a sign protesting at the slaughter house.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I am guessing this increases the Jags chances of getting their signing bonus back. Detroit successfully sued Charles Rogers for breach of contract due to his drug use.
12punch
Footballguy
12punch
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
RoosterScott
Footballguy
I would hope so but it will probably come only 20 years after the fact like the concussion issue lawsuits. The kid first has to admit he has a problem. Just like Gordon I think the worst is yet to come with these kids. Crack cocaine, meth...all drugs that typically follow these additions.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Agreed, but to put it in perspective, it would be a whole lot easier to say "screw it, I'm heading to Luger's" as an umarried 25 year old with no kids who has already made far more money than an average American will see in their lifetime. My priorities today in my 40s with a family to provide for are totally different than they were in my early 20s -- partying it up every night >>>> working hard / finishing school back then, and my ### was dead broke. God only knows what I would have done if I had a few million to play with, but I can pretty much guarantee that "being responsible" wouldn't have been super high on the list.
False Start
Footballguy
Is steak a mind altering substance? While I understand your point, the comparison is apples to oranges.Agreed, but to put it in perspective, it would be a whole lot easier to say "screw it, I'm heading to Luger's" as an umarried 25 year old with no kids who has already made far more money than an average American will see in their lifetime. My priorities today in my 40s with a family to provide for are totally different than they were in my early 20s -- partying it up every night >>>> working hard / finishing school back then, and my ### was dead broke. God only knows what I would have done if I had a few million to play with, but I can pretty much guarantee that "being responsible" wouldn't have been super high on the list.
cstu
Footballguy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Witz
Footballguy
You've obviously never had a great steak.Is steak a mind altering substance? While I understand your point, the comparison is apples to oranges.Agreed, but to put it in perspective, it would be a whole lot easier to say "screw it, I'm heading to Luger's" as an umarried 25 year old with no kids who has already made far more money than an average American will see in their lifetime. My priorities today in my 40s with a family to provide for are totally different than they were in my early 20s -- partying it up every night >>>> working hard / finishing school back then, and my ### was dead broke. God only knows what I would have done if I had a few million to play with, but I can pretty much guarantee that "being responsible" wouldn't have been super high on the list.
Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
The reason you say that is because you do not feel that this is an addiction or an illness. That(illness) may or may not be true, but the hypocrisy here is what I am interested in. When the owner of the Colts is found with $18,000 in cash stuffed in a bag plus bottles and bottles of prescription meds, for that guy we want to get him treatment and treat this as a serious illness. But for marijauna we want to ban the guy from the league even though the owners of the teams are allowed to smoke crack, snort blow, inhale prescription meds at an alarming rate, it's just another day in Roger Goodell's "As The NFL Turns"
It's simple, everyone knows that marijauna is no big deal so enough of the grand standing and not feeling any mercy or pity because there really isn't any need for you to give any to begin with. Only the NFL suspends players for marijauna...think the NFL is the only league where players smoke pot?
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I also smoked bales of weed and drank like a fish at that point in my life. And dropped acid at concerts, ate completely unhealthy garbage, was totally financially irresponsible with credit cards and college loans, went to class when I felt like it, etc.Is steak a mind altering substance? While I understand your point, the comparison is apples to oranges.Agreed, but to put it in perspective, it would be a whole lot easier to say "screw it, I'm heading to Luger's" as an umarried 25 year old with no kids who has already made far more money than an average American will see in their lifetime. My priorities today in my 40s with a family to provide for are totally different than they were in my early 20s -- partying it up every night >>>> working hard / finishing school back then, and my ### was dead broke. God only knows what I would have done if I had a few million to play with, but I can pretty much guarantee that "being responsible" wouldn't have been super high on the list.
The point is that a guy in his early / mid 20s acting like an irresponsible moron isn't really too outrageous looking at the big picture. Yeah, the multiple arrests are a problem, but overall, both Gordon and Blackmon are just basically being relatively normal young dumbasses. They just happen to be under a microscope and in a career where that stuff really matters. It doesn't make them terrible people no matter how disappointed their FF owners and Jags / Browns fans are.
12punch
Footballguy
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
Yep. My idealistic side says let these guys smoke and get them off the painkillers, but pragmatic side says keep it clean for 5 or 6 years and get that second contract and never have to work again and spend the rest of your life doing whatever you want.
cstu
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
I do not want to suspend him from the league but the difference is that the players union agreed to this. They are solely the ones to blame and if they cared enough about this issue then they wouldn't have agreed to such a strict policy. 99% of the league's players think they are smart enough to beat the testing system so they voted in favor of a plan that only punishes stupid people.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Justin Blackmon - WR - Jaguars
Speaking Thursday, Jaguars owner Shad Khan said the team has "no plans" to release troubled WR Justin Blackmon.
With Blackmon already indefinitely suspended, the Jags have little to gain by cutting him loose following his Wednesday arrest for marijuana possession. Blackmon does not count toward the 90-man roster. The best time to re-evaluate Blackmon's standing with the team will be if/when he's reinstated. It's not going to happen in 2014.
Source: Mark Long on Twitter
Jul 24 - 1:24 PM
Speaking Thursday, Jaguars owner Shad Khan said the team has "no plans" to release troubled WR Justin Blackmon.
With Blackmon already indefinitely suspended, the Jags have little to gain by cutting him loose following his Wednesday arrest for marijuana possession. Blackmon does not count toward the 90-man roster. The best time to re-evaluate Blackmon's standing with the team will be if/when he's reinstated. It's not going to happen in 2014.
Source: Mark Long on Twitter
Jul 24 - 1:24 PM
msommer
Footballguy
Did you have an income in the millions and a job that gave you lots of public scrutiny?I also smoked bales of weed and drank like a fish at that point in my life. And dropped acid at concerts, ate completely unhealthy garbage, was totally financially irresponsible with credit cards and college loans, went to class when I felt like it, etc.Is steak a mind altering substance? While I understand your point, the comparison is apples to oranges.Agreed, but to put it in perspective, it would be a whole lot easier to say "screw it, I'm heading to Luger's" as an umarried 25 year old with no kids who has already made far more money than an average American will see in their lifetime. My priorities today in my 40s with a family to provide for are totally different than they were in my early 20s -- partying it up every night >>>> working hard / finishing school back then, and my ### was dead broke. God only knows what I would have done if I had a few million to play with, but I can pretty much guarantee that "being responsible" wouldn't have been super high on the list.
The point is that a guy in his early / mid 20s acting like an irresponsible moron isn't really too outrageous looking at the big picture. Yeah, the multiple arrests are a problem, but overall, both Gordon and Blackmon are just basically being relatively normal young dumbasses. They just happen to be under a microscope and in a career where that stuff really matters. It doesn't make them terrible people no matter how disappointed their FF owners and Jags / Browns fans are.
If not, then perhaps your experience is not directly comparable to that of drafted NFL players under contract
cstu
Footballguy
Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
It sounds great the way you frame this, I mean it.
I don't feel the players have or had much leverage, the owners wore them down big time in the las off season mini strike. The players have given in to a lot and behind the curtains, the players offered hgh testing/ban for the marijauna concession and were refused. I've heard it mentioned a few times in passing on the talk radio circuit.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Nope. Guy has to retire or die to get out of the contract. Or trade him away, but who would take him? Ah well, this is the final year of his contract for me. He'll be WW fodder during the season.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
And we need to stop saying that the League is ill prepared to deal with these guys with drug problems. It's not really their responsibility to do so. It's their responsibility to run a clean game. If these guys are too stupid to put down the bong or the bottle, then they can make a living somewhere else. Probably with a broom or a mop once they blow all the cash.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Of course I didn't. But being able to run faster and jump higher than other people doesn't have a whole lot to do with how responsible a person is now does it?Did you have an income in the millions and a job that gave you lots of public scrutiny?If not, then perhaps your experience is not directly comparable to that of drafted NFL players under contractI also smoked bales of weed and drank like a fish at that point in my life. And dropped acid at concerts, ate completely unhealthy garbage, was totally financially irresponsible with credit cards and college loans, went to class when I felt like it, etc.The point is that a guy in his early / mid 20s acting like an irresponsible moron isn't really too outrageous looking at the big picture. Yeah, the multiple arrests are a problem, but overall, both Gordon and Blackmon are just basically being relatively normal young dumbasses. They just happen to be under a microscope and in a career where that stuff really matters. It doesn't make them terrible people no matter how disappointed their FF owners and Jags / Browns fans are.Is steak a mind altering substance? While I understand your point, the comparison is apples to oranges.Agreed, but to put it in perspective, it would be a whole lot easier to say "screw it, I'm heading to Luger's" as an umarried 25 year old with no kids who has already made far more money than an average American will see in their lifetime. My priorities today in my 40s with a family to provide for are totally different than they were in my early 20s -- partying it up every night >>>> working hard / finishing school back then, and my ### was dead broke. God only knows what I would have done if I had a few million to play with, but I can pretty much guarantee that "being responsible" wouldn't have been super high on the list.
Guys like Blackmon and Gordon are either addicts or just don't care that much about football. Either way, I don't see how making judgmental calls on the morality of a couple of kids as being super helpful or productive to the discussion.
