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K. Moreno vs D. Brown vs L. McCoy - Rookie RB showdown (1 Viewer)

Ysatnaf_Gnik

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I know 3 weeks is a very small sample size, but we were able to see some of these guys have to offer....

Who do you think will be the more successful RB:

1) This year

2) From 2010 on (for Dynasty Purposes).

Interesting to see your takes on these 3.

 
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I know 3 weeks is a very small sample size, but we were able to see some of these guys have to offer....Who do you think will be the more successful RB:1) This year2) From 2010 on (for Dynasty Purposes).Interesting to see your takes on these 2.
1) Moreno2) Moreno
 
I actually think once addai is out of the picture_ D Brown will be the back to have.

Aren't you guys forgetting about L. MaCoy? Westbrook is almost gone...he should be better FF wise than the other 2 rookies...

 
I know 3 weeks is a very small sample size, but we were able to see some of these guys have to offer....

Who do you think will be the more successful RB:

1) This year

2) From 2010 on (for Dynasty Purposes).

Interesting to see your takes on these 2.
1) Moreno :lmao: 2) Moreno
FIXED1-Donald Brown

2-Donald Brown

Brown had Addai holding him back. Moreno has Buckhalter. :goodposting:

 
I know 3 weeks is a very small sample size, but we were able to see some of these guys have to offer....Who do you think will be the more successful RB:1) This year2) From 2010 on (for Dynasty Purposes).Interesting to see your takes on these 2.
1) Moreno2) Moreno
;) I agree 100% Moreno is the most talented and best suited to be a 3-down back of the 3, and has the least amount of competition ahead of him (Westy>>Addai>>Bucky)Interesting, a Ysatnaf_Gnik thread that's not about Matt Jones. :headbang:
 
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What has Moreno done to warrant all this love for this year? Buckhalter looks like the better back to me so far.
:hophead: Meanwhile, McCoy has looked outstanding.

Moreno might be the better back to own this year (redraft), but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if McCoy had the better (fantasy) career.

All three look like keepers at this point though.

 
What has Moreno done to warrant all this love for this year? Buckhalter looks like the better back to me so far.
Simply put, numbers:Rushing attempts:Moreno - 46McCoy - 34D. Brown - 29And let's not forget that 20 of McCoy's attempts were this past week with Westy out (up until then he only had 9 and 5). The last two weeks Moreno has gotten 17 and 21 - and Buckhalter isn't hurt. Your point is well taken, but it seems Denver is happy to force the ball to Moreno (and he's doing well, averaging over 4 YPC since week 1). The fact is, while Buckhalter has been good, he hasn't had over 100 carries in a season in over 5 years and he's 31 years old with two bad knees. Yes, he's been good, but the Broncos already seem to be trying to establish Moreno as the starter. And in terms of D. Brown, well, lets just say Addai aint going anywhere soon (he's only 26). Addai has 36 carries to Brown's 29 - and in every game the two have been within 5 carries of each other (i.e. they're seem to be splitting the load almost exactly 50/50).
 
Same can be said for McCoy since Westbrook doesn't look like he will last much longer.

Fantasy wise (the purpose of this discussion) McCoy will have the better career.

 
What has Moreno done to warrant all this love for this year?
You mean besides getting drafted first, going to the team with the best offensive line in the league, and being given the biggest workload?
 
Same can be said for McCoy since Westbrook doesn't look like he will last much longer.Fantasy wise (the purpose of this discussion) McCoy will have the better career.
I'm curious what makes you say he will have the best fantasy career? Is it the situation he is starting his career in?
 
I wouldn't write off Beanie just yet. He's still in the conversation at least in my opinion.

Right now for the long run I'd rank them:

1. Moreno

2. Brown

3. Beanie

4. McCoy

 
What has Moreno done to warrant all this love for this year?
You mean besides getting drafted first, going to the team with the best offensive line in the league, and being given the biggest workload?
Are we also forgeting Moreno's been injured since beginning of preseason...supposedly not even 100% yet.Are Brown and McCoy playing at full health capacity?
 
Team ROFLCOPTERS said:
mambomambo said:
Same can be said for McCoy since Westbrook doesn't look like he will last much longer.Fantasy wise (the purpose of this discussion) McCoy will have the better career.
I'm curious what makes you say he will have the best fantasy career? Is it the situation he is starting his career in?
don't get me wrong, I think Moreno is the better RB, but McCoy situation for the next 6 yrs will be better than Moreno's.
 
Team ROFLCOPTERS said:
mambomambo said:
Same can be said for McCoy since Westbrook doesn't look like he will last much longer.Fantasy wise (the purpose of this discussion) McCoy will have the better career.
I'm curious what makes you say he will have the best fantasy career? Is it the situation he is starting his career in?
don't get me wrong, I think Moreno is the better RB, but McCoy situation for the next 6 yrs will be better than Moreno's.
6 years? What did you do, steal Marty McFly's sports almanac?
 
Team ROFLCOPTERS said:
mambomambo said:
Same can be said for McCoy since Westbrook doesn't look like he will last much longer.Fantasy wise (the purpose of this discussion) McCoy will have the better career.
I'm curious what makes you say he will have the best fantasy career? Is it the situation he is starting his career in?
don't get me wrong, I think Moreno is the better RB, but McCoy situation for the next 6 yrs will be better than Moreno's.
6 years? What did you do, steal Marty McFly's sports almanac?
Oh my...here we go again....how many times do I have to say I came back from 2015.... :wall: Facts are Facts buddy...
 
I know 3 weeks is a very small sample size, but we were able to see some of these guys have to offer....

Who do you think will be the more successful RB:

1) This year

2) From 2010 on (for Dynasty Purposes).

Interesting to see your takes on these 2.
1) Moreno :unsure: 2) Moreno
FIXED1-Donald Brown

2-Donald Brown

Brown had Addai holding him back. Moreno has Buckhalter. :lmao:
I'm not at all convinced the Addai is better than Buckhalter.
 
I know 3 weeks is a very small sample size, but we were able to see some of these guys have to offer....

Who do you think will be the more successful RB:

1) This year

2) From 2010 on (for Dynasty Purposes).

Interesting to see your takes on these 2.
1) Moreno2) Moreno
:no: :no: Donald Brown is going to be the best RB of the 2009 class, by far..this guy is going to take over the Colts starting RB duties at some point this season..going forward, he's going to be the workhorse RB the Colts have been looking for..Brown has already proven to his doubters that he can play at the pro level..he's going to be an absolute stud in future years. Addai won't be back in a Colts uni in '10..like we've said before, in Bill Polian we trust. he didn't draft Brown to split with Addai, he drafted him to REPLACE Addai..

Moreno , thus far, cannot stay healthy and just as we all feared, he's deeply embroiled in a RBBC with Buckhalter and the other Denver RB's ( Hillis, etc).as long as Josh 'I love RBBC' McDaniels is calling the shots, Moreno is nothing more than a

10-15 carry/week guy..

going forward, Moreno is another Ray Rice or Derrick Ward ('08), i.e., a between the 20's RB, while Buckhalter steals his thunder as the redzone RB..( exactly what McGahee is to Ray Rice).

 
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I know 3 weeks is a very small sample size, but we were able to see some of these guys have to offer....

Who do you think will be the more successful RB:

1) This year

2) From 2010 on (for Dynasty Purposes).

Interesting to see your takes on these 2.
1) Moreno2) Moreno
:no: :no: Donald Brown is going to be the best RB of the 2009 class, by far..this guy is going to take over the Colts starting RB duties at some point this season..going forward, he's going to be the workhorse RB the Colts have been looking for..Brown has already proven to his doubters that he can play at the pro level..he's going to be an absolute stud in future years. Addai won't be back in a Colts uni in '10..like we've said before, in Bill Polian we trust. he didn't draft Brown to split with Addai, he drafted him to REPLACE Addai..

Moreno , thus far, cannot stay healthy and just as we all feared, he's deeply embroiled in a RBBC with Buckhalter and the other Denver RB's ( Hillis, etc).as long as Josh 'I love RBBC' McDaniels is calling the shots, Moreno is nothing more than a

10-15 carry/week guy..

going forward, Moreno is another Ray Rice or Derrick Ward ('08), i.e., a between the 20's RB, while Buckhalter steals his thunder as the redzone RB..( exactly what McGahee is to Ray Rice).
:no:
 
I know 3 weeks is a very small sample size, but we were able to see some of these guys have to offer....

Who do you think will be the more successful RB:

1) This year

2) From 2010 on (for Dynasty Purposes).

Interesting to see your takes on these 2.
1) Moreno2) Moreno
:no: :no: Donald Brown is going to be the best RB of the 2009 class, by far..this guy is going to take over the Colts starting RB duties at some point this season..going forward, he's going to be the workhorse RB the Colts have been looking for..Brown has already proven to his doubters that he can play at the pro level..he's going to be an absolute stud in future years. Addai won't be back in a Colts uni in '10..like we've said before, in Bill Polian we trust. he didn't draft Brown to split with Addai, he drafted him to REPLACE Addai..

Moreno , thus far, cannot stay healthy and just as we all feared, he's deeply embroiled in a RBBC with Buckhalter and the other Denver RB's ( Hillis, etc).as long as Josh 'I love RBBC' McDaniels is calling the shots, Moreno is nothing more than a

10-15 carry/week guy..

going forward, Moreno is another Ray Rice or Derrick Ward ('08), i.e., a between the 20's RB, while Buckhalter steals his thunder as the redzone RB..( exactly what McGahee is to Ray Rice).
Except for the fact that Moreno's touches have gone up each week (guessing low touches week 1 partially due to pre-season knee injury) and are more than "10-15"week 1: 8

week 2: 17

week 3: 21

I own both Moreno & Brown (redraft)...I actually do think Brown will end up being "better" long term, but not because of limited touches for Moreno as you incorrectly state, and I still don't get all these assumptions about him taking over as a primary RB..it'll be RBBC. Oh, and using the "he was drafted high", how's that working for Beanie Wells (who I also own :no: )?

 
I know 3 weeks is a very small sample size, but we were able to see some of these guys have to offer....

Who do you think will be the more successful RB:

1) This year

2) From 2010 on (for Dynasty Purposes).

Interesting to see your takes on these 2.
1) Moreno2) Moreno
:no: :no: Donald Brown is going to be the best RB of the 2009 class, by far..this guy is going to take over the Colts starting RB duties at some point this season..going forward, he's going to be the workhorse RB the Colts have been looking for..Brown has already proven to his doubters that he can play at the pro level..he's going to be an absolute stud in future years. Addai won't be back in a Colts uni in '10..like we've said before, in Bill Polian we trust. he didn't draft Brown to split with Addai, he drafted him to REPLACE Addai..

Moreno , thus far, cannot stay healthy and just as we all feared, he's deeply embroiled in a RBBC with Buckhalter and the other Denver RB's ( Hillis, etc).as long as Josh 'I love RBBC' McDaniels is calling the shots, Moreno is nothing more than a

10-15 carry/week guy..

going forward, Moreno is another Ray Rice or Derrick Ward ('08), i.e., a between the 20's RB, while Buckhalter steals his thunder as the redzone RB..( exactly what McGahee is to Ray Rice).
a whole lot of wrong here.1. Moreno can't stay healthy - I'm not sure you should be drawing that conclusion based on 3 games, which, coincidentally, Moreno has not missed.

2. Moreno has had >15 carries in 2/3 of his career games...not sure how you conclude that he will be a career 10-15 carry/week guy. The data doesn't bear that out.

3. Buckhalter steals carries in the redzone - I'm not sure where you got that from, but it's patently untrue. The rotation right now is "rotate by possession, and if someone gets the hot hand, go with them". In fact, looking at he last two games, Moreno has 2x as many red zone carries as Buckhalter.

Week 2 RZ carries:

1-9-CLE9 (9:14) Direction Change... K.Moreno up the middle to CLV 5 for 4 yards (B.Pool).

2-6-CLE5 (8:37) K.Moreno right guard to CLV 2 for 3 yards (A.Elam, D.Jackson).

1-10-CLE16 (13:05) C.Buckhalter up the middle to CLV 14 for 2 yards (E.Barton, A.Rubin).

1-2-CLE2 (12:22) P.Hillis right guard for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

week 3 RZ carries:

1-10-OAK16 (9:06) C.Buckhalter right end to OAK 8 for 8 yards (D.Bryant).

2-2-OAK8 (8:36) C.Buckhalter up the middle to OAK 1 for 7 yards (T.Howard, R.Brown).

1-6-OAK6 (7:40) K.Moreno left end to OAK 4 for 2 yards (T.Branch, R.Brown).

2-2-OAK2 (6:42) P.Hillis left guard to OAK 1 for 1 yard (Team).

3-1-OAK1 (6:02) P.Hillis up the middle to OAK 1 for no gain (Team).

4-1-OAK1 (5:16) L.Jordan up the middle to OAK 1 for no gain (Team).

2-5-OAK18 (4:13) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to OAK 14 for 4 yards (T.Howard).

3-1-OAK14 (3:34) K.Moreno right guard to OAK 5 for 9 yards (Team).

1-5-OAK5 (2:55) C.Buckhalter up the middle to OAK 2 for 3 yards (T.Kelly; T.Branch).

1-3-OAK3 (1:59) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to OAK 3 for no gain (R.Seymour).

1-10-OAK14 (11:34) (Shotgun) K.Moreno right end to OAK 7 for 7 yards (T.Howard).

2-3-OAK7 (11:02) K.Moreno left end for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-OAK13 (13:59) C.Buckhalter left end to OAK 6 for 7 yards (T.Branch).

2-3-OAK6 (13:22) K.Moreno right end to OAK 4 for 2 yards (M.Mitchell, T.Branch).

3-1-OAK4 (12:41) K.Moreno left end to OAK 6 for -2 yards (T.Branch).

1-10-OAK18 (1:08) L.Jordan up the middle to OAK 18 for no gain (R.Brown).

2-10-OAK18 (:22) K.Orton kneels to OAK 19 for -1 yards.

totals:

Moreno - 10

Buckhalter - 5

Hilis - 3

Jordan - 2

Orton - 1

IMO, this RZ split is pretty telling. Looking at the whole drives, there were times in the oak game where Buck came out and Moreno came in to finish out the drive. If anything, McD seems to trust Moreno more than Buck in the RZ.

 
Team ROFLCOPTERS said:
mambomambo said:
Same can be said for McCoy since Westbrook doesn't look like he will last much longer.Fantasy wise (the purpose of this discussion) McCoy will have the better career.
I'm curious what makes you say he will have the best fantasy career? Is it the situation he is starting his career in?
don't get me wrong, I think Moreno is the better RB, but McCoy situation for the next 6 yrs will be better than Moreno's.
6 years? What did you do, steal Marty McFly's sports almanac?
Oh my...here we go again....how many times do I have to say I came back from 2015.... :lmao: Facts are Facts buddy...
Make sure you check the flux capacitor. And there are apparently two sets of facts for most people. Just saying.
 

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