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Ka'Deem Carey, RB (CHI) (2 Viewers)
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Xue
Footballguy
They're comparing running styles and past college usage. Ford ran a lot to the edge and isn't has good as Carey between the tackles.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Carey has the skillset to be an every down back. He might not have the talent, and he doesn't immediately have the opportunity. But trestman likes him, and I like the trestman offense, so I see him as a high value lottery ticket. If he becomes a feature back in that offense next year or two years from now, he could be elite.
In dynasty he's undervalued, imo. Its legitimately possible that his game doesn't translate to the nfl, or that the bears draft a better player and he never even gets a shot. But you're paying such a low price for the upside, that the risk is well worth it. You don't get many shots at potentially elite guys 30 picks into a dynasty draft.
In redraft, he's also undervalued. Forte isn't a big injury risk, but carey would be a do everything back in a very good offense if he went down. Again, this isn't a guy worth drafting as one of the top backups off the board, but if you can get him late, he's a guy you could end up riding to a title by the end of the season.
In dynasty he's undervalued, imo. Its legitimately possible that his game doesn't translate to the nfl, or that the bears draft a better player and he never even gets a shot. But you're paying such a low price for the upside, that the risk is well worth it. You don't get many shots at potentially elite guys 30 picks into a dynasty draft.
In redraft, he's also undervalued. Forte isn't a big injury risk, but carey would be a do everything back in a very good offense if he went down. Again, this isn't a guy worth drafting as one of the top backups off the board, but if you can get him late, he's a guy you could end up riding to a title by the end of the season.
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Khy
Footballguy
Geez, that's like stealing to me. I took him at like RB5 in one league and as late as the 7th on another. I'm a big fan of Carey's game, he reminds me a lot of Foster when I was him run. Not elite speed but elite vision and patience. The league I snagged him at 5 is a deep 16 team 45 man roster league where I own Forte and really wanted to handcuff him.
Lucky Dolfan 81
Footballguy
Small and slow and is a strong inside between the tackles runner...? maybe in college, but I would have to see that in the NFL to believe. will be holding onto Ford.
Khy
Footballguy
Ford is a mediocre talent at best. Carey is a Arian Foster clone. Great vision, good body control, good agility but not game breaking speed.
Lucky Dolfan 81
Footballguy
Not according to nfl.comFord is a mediocre talent at best. Carey is a Arian Foster clone. Great vision, good body control, good agility but not game breaking speed.
Carey - 5' 9" - 207lbs
Foster - 6' 1" - 227 lbs
Khy
Footballguy
That's essentially the exact same BMI. Which is more what I look at than actual height and weight exacts.Not according to nfl.comCarey - 5' 9" - 207lbsFord is a mediocre talent at best. Carey is a Arian Foster clone. Great vision, good body control, good agility but not game breaking speed.
Foster - 6' 1" - 227 lbs
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
I got him at 4.07 rookie (14 teams, IDP), the 9th RB off the board.
1. Sankey
2. West
3. Hyde
4. Freeman
5. Mason
6. Storm Johnson
7. Hill
8. Crowell
I took Carey, then Sims, Andre Williams and Seastrunk went immediately afterward.
1. Sankey
2. West
3. Hyde
4. Freeman
5. Mason
6. Storm Johnson
7. Hill
8. Crowell
I took Carey, then Sims, Andre Williams and Seastrunk went immediately afterward.
Khy
Footballguy
Same, maybe I'm going crazy but in all my leagues he's gone off the board right after Sankey, Hyde, Mason, Freeman, Hill as about the 6th back. In one league we had a huge run of RBs and I took him early 2nd in a 14 team league. I don't get Storm Johnson and Crowell going ahead of him though, that's simply insanity to me.
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
Khy
Footballguy
Yeah, I mean when I watch him on tape he looks amazing. His speed (similar to Foster as I said above) isn't as huge of an issue cause he has a fast first step like Foster. And I'm not sure how you guys like your RBs. But I'll happily take a guy who is getting 4 yards on every run and randomly breaking off a couple for 10-20 yards a game. I don't need a home run hitter at the position. If Forte goes down I think Carey could easily still put up tons of numbers. Probably not that elite RB1 status that Forte holds when healthy but he might flirt with low end RB1 numbers in his stead.Good post. That's about where I have him, homerism aside. You can definitely make a case for those guys you mentioned, even West if you are buying the running with first team stuff. Crowell and Storm Johnson? Not so much. I'm happy about it though
Not sure about Storm, but this is why I can see Crowell going before Carey. Obviously a much riskier pick, but the elite upside Crowell possesses is attractive enough to take him over Carey. I think most people view Crowell as this huge lotto ticket and Carey as a good-not-great talent in a rather below average RB class. Forte has 2(?) years left on his deal, so its not like Carey has a clear cut path to the starter role. As a 4th round pick, Chicago is not majorly invested in him, so who's to say they don't take another RB in the next two drafts if a better one comes along? I like Carey, but I have no problem with taking Crowell before him.Yeah, I mean when I watch him on tape he looks amazing. His speed (similar to Foster as I said above) isn't as huge of an issue cause he has a fast first step like Foster. And I'm not sure how you guys like your RBs. But I'll happily take a guy who is getting 4 yards on every run and randomly breaking off a couple for 10-20 yards a game. I don't need a home run hitter at the position. If Forte goes down I think Carey could easily still put up tons of numbers. Probably not that elite RB1 status that Forte holds when healthy but he might flirt with low end RB1 numbers in his stead.Good post. That's about where I have him, homerism aside. You can definitely make a case for those guys you mentioned, even West if you are buying the running with first team stuff. Crowell and Storm Johnson? Not so much. I'm happy about it though
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Spin
Footballguy
Our draft went:
1.01 - Sankey - I owned this pick and the guy at 1.2 traded me 1.2 + 2.8 to move up and grab Sankey. We're all from Nashville and his team name is Go Titans!
1.06 - Hyde - My Pick
1.11 - Freeman
2.07 - Mason
2.10 - Storm Johnson
3.01 - Terrance West
3.02 - Jeremy Hill
3.04 - Isaiah Crowell - Same guy who took West, traded up to 3.04 to take Crowell (also owns Tate)
3.08 - Andrew Williams
3.11 - Carey - My Pick
4.01 - Seastrunk
etc
Bucky86
Footballguy
Spin
Footballguy
Khy
Footballguy
Man... I feel like the DJax owner is losing pretty big there. Does the guy just not have a starting RB but a bunch of depth at WR?
Nero
Footballguy
Enter Pierre Thomas! I think Carey is just a marginal talent, but I do believe he would beat out Ford if it came to that.
ISUDESTROYERS
Footballguy
Bull crap....I'm as die hard Bear Fan as you can get. Objectively...the guy is a slow plodder. All his runs [except 2] were 1 yard and 2 yard flops. The other 2 runs were 11 and 12 yards. His yards per carry for 2 preseason games is barely over 2 yards/carry....AND YOU CALL HIM A STUD? Trust me....this guy is no fantasy gem that you hope him to be.
bostonfred
Footballguy
For what it's worth, Carey was never going to be a speed guy. But as he gets better, he should be better at reading his blocks and finding yards. Here is what Waldman said pre draft http://mattwaldmanrsp.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/kadeem-carey-ii.jpg
JFS171
Footballguy
Yeah Waldman loved him. I think Carey has some talent... and the handcuff here certainly isn't Michael Ford unless he got hurt last night. Ford didn't see a single carry... he returned one kick. Looks like he could lose his roster spot here.
That said, there just might be a certain minimum standard bar a RB needs to hit athletically to have success in the NFL, and I'm not sure Carey hits it.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Might be, but there does seem to be a bit of a learning curve for guys like this and if his natural physical talent isn't going to get him there alone, then he may need a few weeks to develop the skills. I think he has the ability but it remains to be seen whether he can translate it to the NFL. Right now I'd say good news is that he had a couple longer runs and got a touchdown, so there's some stuff to work with, but the bad news is his running isn't consistently good enough yet for any kind of workload.
Xue
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Holding, but only because I'm a Forte owner.Bucky86 said:
Casting Couch
Footballguy
I'm seeing him being dropped in a number of dyno leagues, and rightfully so.
Bucky86
Footballguy
Yeah, I have him in two leagues and I'm not a Forte owner. Was hoping he would show well and I could trade him. Really thinking of dumping him.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
You guys know Waldman loves him, right?
Also, he has a large catch radius.
Also, he has a large catch radius.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I like that the note just below that one on Rotoworld says that Ka'Deem Carey might not even dress for game days this year. Rotoworld has its collective finger on the pulse of the Bears, for sure.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
He could have been cut, and I wouldn't have questioned it.
bostonfred
Footballguy
14 for 72 in garbage time...
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Arrow pointing up?
packer_junkie
Footballguy
The nice thing about Carey is that the bears are TERRIBLE. If forte gets knicked at all, he isn't playing and they will just sit him and ride Carey to the finish line. Guys like Mccoy, Lynch, Murray, Lacy are gonna be rushed back because of the tight playoff race.
Other handcuffs on crap teams...
Blue- not as much upside at Carey
Chris Johnson-- they're moving it better and ivory is fragile
Not many others that aren't a part of a handcuff or a god awful rushing offense
Other handcuffs on crap teams...
Blue- not as much upside at Carey
Chris Johnson-- they're moving it better and ivory is fragile
Not many others that aren't a part of a handcuff or a god awful rushing offense
battlebaby
Footballguy
Only as a flier in super, super deep leagues or dynasty. The most interesting thing about Carey is that the Bears have kept him on the 53-man roster despite the fact that he doesn't play special teams at all. But it's Langford's show as long as Forte is out, and that might not even be that long.
