Kareem Hunt and Left Eye and Andre Rison (1 Viewer)

[Bayhawks]

You're sort of proving my point. Why should media coverage and faux outrage be driving Hunt's career?

Let's play ceteris paribus. What do you think happens given the current sociopolitical climate of Lopes's legacy?  

The same thing that will happen to Hunt's legacy, assuming you give it more than 1 month, and he doesn't have future incidents.  As I've stated repeatedly (and you've ignored), a month after she burned down Rison's home, Lopes wasn't getting all this love that you claim she was getting.  25+ years later, after no further attempts at arson, after having gone on to have more success in the music business, and after sadly dying early, she is viewed as a great musical artist.

So, again, give it more than a month before you try to play the man-hater card.  If Hunt has no future incidents, he will go on to play elsewhere, and if he has a long enough career with the same kind of stats he put up in the first 1.5 years of his career, he will be remembered as a great football player.

Let's revisit this in 25 years when we are able to compare apples to apples, OK?

 

[Bayhawks]

Let's put it this way. You'd never have a major motion picture making O.J. jokes. Norm McDonald got fired for O.J. jokes. Yet TLC jokes (The Other Guys) are just fine and people still revere them. This belongs in football talk because it's about Kareem Hunt's career. He's a talented back who has issues and nobody to play for now because of a TMZ video. Left Eye had plenty of chances after arson. 

Defend that.  

Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle joked about OJ Simpson in their comedy routines.  Maybe if you stopped trying so hard to make a point (that is not accurate), you'd realize how ridiculous your whole premise is.

And again, what chances did Lopes have in the FIRST MONTH after she was charged with arson?  

 

[Bayhawks]

Well then ya must know if I'm around and a man starts getting rough with a woman I;m all over his ###. Men do not mistreat women....ok?

I saw the video, where did Hunt actually hurt this girl, well? YES YES YES AND YES....ya don't play that but just how much damage was actually done there? I didn't see any, did you?

Then, you might want to, I don't know, open your eyes or somethign when you watch the video.  He ran at her, smashed into the guy trying to stay between them, and knocked both of them into a wall.  The girl was clearly a little wobbly after that, then when she went down to the ground, he tried to kick her.  I guess because the kick didn't land fully, you're not gonna be "all over his ###?"  You'd wait until he landed a real solid kick, otherwise it doesn't count?  ok?

 

[JuniorNB]

Well then ya must know if I'm around and a man starts getting rough with a woman I;m all over his ###. Men do not mistreat women....ok?

I saw the video, where did Hunt actually hurt this girl, well? YES YES YES AND YES....ya don't play that but just how much damage was actually done there? I didn't see any, did you?

Blah blah blah blah blah.  So your contention is that Hunt should not have been penalized by the league?   I'm just trying to figure out if any of your circular ramblings have a point.

 

[ZenoRazon]

Then, you might want to, I don't know, open your eyes or somethign when you watch the video.  He ran at her, smashed into the guy trying to stay between them, and knocked both of them into a wall.  The girl was clearly a little wobbly after that, then when she went down to the ground, he tried to kick her.  I guess because the kick didn't land fully, you're not gonna be "all over his ###?"  You'd wait until he landed a real solid kick, otherwise it doesn't count?  ok?

That's right, what he did was wrong, totally wrong but doesn't fit......beat a woman up...at all, that simply didn't happen.

If he had a record of that kind of thing, ok   chop his #$^% head off, but he doesn't.  The guy lost it did something stupid, that does happen.

You don't go to where some of you want to go with this.

 

[ZenoRazon]

Blah blah blah blah blah.  So your contention is that Hunt should not have been penalized by the league?   I'm just trying to figure out if any of your circular ramblings have a point.

That coming from a guy.....beats women up.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!   Dude, you got a real big mouth for a know nothing.

The NFL did what they had to do, obviously.

 

[rockaction]

Actually I wasn't even talking about whether Lopes intended to burn down Rison's house. I was talking about your inability to distinguish between a property crime and a physical assault. Not to mention your inability to recognize the right of the NFL to run its business.

I won't even get into the subtle hints of sexism and misogyny.

Arson is not simply a property crime. It is one of the most serious offenses in common law because of its potential to kill people. That's why, aside from homicide and (not even) manslaughter, arson carries the most serious penalties in criminal law. Death by fire is uncool. 

Subtle hints of sexism and misogyny?  She burned a house down and is lionized twenty-five years later. If not for reverse sexism, then what?  

 

[ZenoRazon]

Just looked at the video again.

So just ignore the fact the girl was seen shoving a man, and wouldn't just back away, she kept coming.  And that kick was nothing, totally nothing.

The girl could have walked away but stayed to be a pest.

I just bet if we looked in just who she was we;d find that wasn't the first time shes had similiar  situations.  She was no...oh stop it, stop it....at all.

Yes,  he did a stupid thing, but so did everyone involved there.

 

[[scooter]]

Subtle hints of sexism and misogyny?  She burned a house down and is lionized twenty-five years later. If not for reverse sexism, then what?  

She's not lionized for burning down a house. (Not in any significant or serious manner, at least.)

If she's eulogized at all, it's because she made some popular music and because she's dead.

Your inability to recognize any of that is a sign of misogyny.

 

[Bayhawks]

That's right, what he did was wrong, totally wrong but doesn't fit......beat a woman up...at all, that simply didn't happen.

If he had a record of that kind of thing, ok   chop his #$^% head off, but he doesn't.  The guy lost it did something stupid, that does happen.

You don't go to where some of you want to go with this.

You do understand that he's being investigated for 3 different situations where he's decided that violence was a good option, right?  You do understand that he had decided to enroll himself in anger management, right? 

Maybe this is going where you don't want it to go, and you just don't want it to go there?

 

[Bayhawks]

Just looked at the video again.

So just ignore the fact the girl was seen shoving a man, and wouldn't just back away, she kept coming.  And that kick was nothing, totally nothing.

The girl could have walked away but stayed to be a pest.

I just bet if we looked in just who she was we;d find that wasn't the first time shes had similiar  situations.  She was no...oh stop it, stop it....at all.

Yes,  he did a stupid thing, but so did everyone involved there.

Did you see the part of the video WHERE HUNT CAME OUT OF HIS HOTEL ROOM to charge at the girl?  The situation was over; she was gone.  HE went after her.  He could have stayed away in his room, but he came out in order to attack a women.

You can say all you want about what happened, but you are defending a guy who WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO attack a women.  You want to defend him because someone else got in the way of him as he smashed into her, and someone else grabbed him as he was trying to kick her, so he didn't kick her harder. 

 

[rockaction]

She's not lionized for burning down a house. (Not in any significant or serious manner, at least.)

If she's eulogized at all, it's because she made some popular music and because she's dead.

Your inability to recognize any of that is a sign of misogyny.

I have no inability to recognize anything. I'm completely a real feminist. I love my mom, my nieces, and don't condescend to them. I just don't see the double standard of arson and this. It's befuddling, isn't it?  

 

[Bayhawks]

I have no inability to recognize anything. I'm completely a real feminist. I love my mom, my nieces, and don't condescend to them. I just don't see the double standard of arson and this. It's befuddling, isn't it?  

Yes, it is absolutely befuddling that you can't acknowledge the fact that the forgiveness Lopes received which allowed her to be "lionized" didn't happen 1 month after she did what she did.  

 

[ZenoRazon]

Did you see the part of the video WHERE HUNT CAME OUT OF HIS HOTEL ROOM to charge at the girl?  The situation was over; she was gone.  HE went after her.

Did you see her shove a guy and follow Hunt into where he went?  You couldn't tell she was looking for trouble, really?

 

[rockaction]

And I'm not saying she's lionized for burning down a house. I'm saying her career didn't suffer, and that the media portrays her in a sympathetic light while Hunt gets the total shaft and nobody wants to give him a second chance.  

 

[rockaction]

Yes, it is absolutely befuddling that you can't acknowledge the fact that the forgiveness Lopes received which allowed her to be "lionized" didn't happen 1 month after she did what she did.  

She was forgiven quite quickly, IIRC, and her career didn't suffer at all. 

 

[[scooter]]

She's not lionized for burning down a house. (Not in any significant or serious manner, at least.)

If she's eulogized at all, it's because she made some popular music and because she's dead.

Your inability to recognize any of that is a sign of misogyny.

I have no inability to recognize anything. I'm completely a real feminist. I love my mom, my nieces, and don't condescend to them. I just don't see the double standard of arson and this. It's befuddling, isn't it?  

What double standard? Lopes was charged and convicted; Hunt wasn't.

If there's a double standard at all, it's the fact that a man was given preferential treatment by the authorities (despite video evidence), while a woman was not.

Think about it: the police gave Hunt the benefit of the doubt, despite video evidence against him. Meanwhile, the police didn't give Lopes the benefit of the doubt, despite no video evidence against her.

 

[ZenoRazon]

Well hell....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWGX0faEN1c

 

[Bayhawks]

Did you see her shove a guy and follow Hunt into where he went?  You couldn't tell she was looking for trouble, really?

That ALL happened AFTER she was out of the apartment/hotel room, and Hunt came out after her.  You have to admit that if he hadn't come out of the hotel room with the intent of attacking her, then none of this would have happened, right?

 

[rockaction]

What double standard? Lopes was charged and convicted; Hunt wasn't.

If there's a double standard at all, it's the fact that a man was given preferential treatment by the authorities (despite video evidence), while a woman was not.

Think about it: the police gave Hunt the benefit of the doubt, despite video evidence against him. Meanwhile, the police didn't give Lopes the benefit of the doubt, despite no video evidence against her.

While machines can't make hearsay statements, witnesses can. And they can perjure themselves. Sometimes the evidence speaks for itself. Res ipsa loquitur - the thing that speaks for itself in tort law also bleeds into criminal law. If you're the only person around and a building is burnt to the ground, there's a high degree of probability you had something to do with it.  

 

[JuniorNB]

That coming from a guy.....beats women up.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!   Dude, you got a real big mouth for a know nothing.

The NFL did what they had to do, obviously.

So, after your endless babbling you come to the conclusion that the NFL handled it correctly. Ummm, ok.  So we agree.  You just felt the need to make 50 posts and explain that there are some tough chicks in the world. 

 

[ZenoRazon]

That ALL happened AFTER she was out of the apartment/hotel room, and Hunt came out after her.  You have to admit that if he hadn't come out of the hotel room with the intent of attacking her, then none of this would have happened, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWGX0faEN1c

Where does she go after being shoved, yep, right back at him....right?

It wasn't real obvious, right then she should have left?

Do we not see her shove a guy? Why?

It is totally obvious this girl ws a trouble maker, not even a debate.

 

[Bayhawks]

She was forgiven quite quickly, IIRC, and her career didn't suffer at all. 

It wasn't 1 month later, and her career did suffer until after the court case ran its course.  TLC released their second album 6 months after the arson.  Much of that music had already been recorded.  They didn't release another album for 5 years, and they had to file for bankruptcy in 1995.  

Hard to say her career didn't suffer.  Again, give it more than a month, guy.

 

[ZenoRazon]

So, after your endless babbling you come to the conclusion that the NFL handled it correctly. Ummm, ok.  So we agree.  You just felt the need to make 50 posts and explain that there are some tough chicks in the world. 

You couldn't figure a shove and a feeble kick which did nothing isn't......beating up women?  Thought you could use some schooling skippy.

That girl looked pretty healthy to me, pretty aggessive with shoving guts around. 

 

[Bayhawks]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWGX0faEN1c

Where does she go after being shoved, yep, right back at him....right?

It wasn't real obvious, right then she should have left?

Do we not see her shove a guy? Why?

It is totally obvious this girl ws a trouble maker, not even a debate.

AGAIN, all of this happened AFTER Hunt came out of his room, to go after her.....right?  

Interesting how you refuse to acknowledge this irrefutable point.

 

[rockaction]

It wasn't 1 month later, and her career did suffer until after the court case ran its course.  TLC released their second album 6 months after the arson.  Much of that music had already been recorded.  They didn't release another album for 5 years, and they had to file for bankruptcy in 1995.  

Hard to say her career didn't suffer.  Again, give it more than a month, guy.

Point taken. But arson is so serious that it befuddles me, as I said before. 

Anyway, I don't really want to be seen as a Hunt defender, more as a Lopes detractor, but we also don't speak ill of the dead so I'm treading a fine line here. Just wondering why the social outcry about Hunt and not her.  

 

[ZenoRazon]

AGAIN, all of this happened AFTER Hunt came out of his room, to go after her.....right?  

Interesting how you refuse to acknowledge this irrefutable point.

What's interesting is you refusing to ignore when she was shoved she  came back at him. Why didn' she turn and walk away?

Did she shove a guy....did she?   What does that tell you?

Come on  guy, get with some reality here, ok

A party girl with a big mouth who refused to be cool. 

I have no doubts this wasn't the first time that girl has been in similar situations.

 

[JuniorNB]

AGAIN, all of this happened AFTER Hunt came out of his room, to go after her.....right?  

Interesting how you refuse to acknowledge this irrefutable point.

It's like arguing with a wall.

 

[ZenoRazon]

It's like arguing with a wall.

I have this weird deal about  reality.  Funny that way.

While here.

Hunt's Friends' Side

But Hunt's friends paint a different picture ... saying they refused to let the accuser and another female friend hang out when they learned the women were only 19 years old.  

One of Hunt's former college teammates told police the accuser went crazy after they were told to leave -- and "began calling him and Hunt the N-word and specifically she stated, '##### you n*gger. You Ain't #####."

The accuser allegedly punched one of Kareem's female friends in the face as she tried to deescalate the situation. 

Eventually cops were called to the scene and police took two reports. So far, no arrests have been made. 

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In the video we see here refusing to back off and shoving a guy.

 

[Bayhawks]

What's interesting is you refusing to ignore when she was shoved she  came back at him. Why didn' she turn and walk away?

Did she shove a guy....did she?   What does that tell you?

Come on  guy, get with some reality here, ok

A party girl with a big mouth who refused to be cool. 

I have no doubts this wasn't the first time that girl has been in similar situations.

Again, guy, did any of this happen BEFORE Hunt came out of his room and went after her?  

 

[Bayhawks]

Point taken. But arson is so serious that it befuddles me, as I said before. 

Anyway, I don't really want to be seen as a Hunt defender, more as a Lopes detractor, but we also don't speak ill of the dead so I'm treading a fine line here. Just wondering why the social outcry about Hunt and not her.  

Because we are 25 years removed from 1 event, and only 1 month removed from (the publication of) the other.

 

[[scooter]]

What double standard? Lopes was charged and convicted; Hunt wasn't.

If there's a double standard at all, it's the fact that a man was given preferential treatment by the authorities (despite video evidence), while a woman was not.

Think about it: the police gave Hunt the benefit of the doubt, despite video evidence against him. Meanwhile, the police didn't give Lopes the benefit of the doubt, despite no video evidence against her.

While machines can't make hearsay statements, witnesses can. And they can perjure themselves. Sometimes the evidence speaks for itself. Res ipsa loquitur - the thing that speaks for itself in tort law also bleeds into criminal law. If you're the only person around and a building is burnt to the ground, there's a high degree of probability you had something to do with it.  

Kareem Hunt would have told the cops "I didn't mean to burn down the house" and the cops would have been more likely to give him the benefit of the doubt -- just like they did when he kicked the crap out of a woman. Meanwhile, Lopes said "I didn't mean to burn down the house" and the cops DIDN'T give her the benefit of the doubt; she got charged with a felony, got convicted, and ended up declaring bankruptcy.

You're creating this "double standard" fantasy that simply does not apply.

 

[ZenoRazon]

Again, guy, did any of this happen BEFORE Hunt came out of his room and went after her?  

Are  you aware of any of this?

Hunt's Friends' Side

But Hunt's friends paint a different picture ... saying they refused to let the accuser and another female friend hang out when they learned the women were only 19 years old.  

One of Hunt's former college teammates told police the accuser went crazy after they were told to leave -- and "began calling him and Hunt the N-word and specifically she stated, '##### you n*gger. You Ain't #####."

The accuser allegedly punched one of Kareem's female friends in the face as she tried to deescalate the situation. 

Eventually cops were called to the scene and police took two reports. So far, no arrests have been made. 

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We see her shoving a guy, refusing to back off, and it appears she punched another girl................right? And was using the n word, and its....oh poor baby?

 

[JuniorNB]

Are  you aware of any of this?

Hunt's Friends' Side

But Hunt's friends paint a different picture ... saying they refused to let the accuser and another female friend hang out when they learned the women were only 19 years old.  

One of Hunt's former college teammates told police the accuser went crazy after they were told to leave -- and "began calling him and Hunt the N-word and specifically she stated, '##### you n*gger. You Ain't #####."

The accuser allegedly punched one of Kareem's female friends in the face as she tried to deescalate the situation. 

Eventually cops were called to the scene and police took two reports. So far, no arrests have been made. 

And more babbling.  Care to explain why Hunt didn't remain in his room and call the front desk to have her removed?  He went out in the hall way to get involved. And then handled it terribly. Period.

 

[Bayhawks]

Are  you aware of any of this?

Hunt's Friends' Side

But Hunt's friends paint a different picture ... saying they refused to let the accuser and another female friend hang out when they learned the women were only 19 years old.  

One of Hunt's former college teammates told police the accuser went crazy after they were told to leave -- and "began calling him and Hunt the N-word and specifically she stated, '##### you n*gger. You Ain't #####."

The accuser allegedly punched one of Kareem's female friends in the face as she tried to deescalate the situation. 

Eventually cops were called to the scene and police took two reports. So far, no arrests have been made. 

Yes, I am.  That happened, THEN the girl left the room (so situation should have been over).  Then Hunt left the room, and went out in the hall to attack the girl.  He made the decision to go after her, with the intent to hurt her.  You keep justifying that, while saying she should have walked away when she was shoved.  So it’s okau for him to go after her when she was ready gone, but not okay for her to shove a guy after she’d been shoved?

 

[ZenoRazon]

And more babbling.  Care to explain why Hunt didn't remain in his room and call the front desk to have her removed?  He went out in the hall way to get involved. And then handled it terribly. Period.

Blah blah blah blah blah

 

[ZenoRazon]

Yes, I am.  That happened, THEN the girl left the room (so situation should have been over).  Then Hunt left the room, and went out in the hall to attack the girl.  He made the decision to go after her, with the intent to hurt her.  You keep justifying that, while saying she should have walked away when she was shoved.  So it’s okau for him to go after her when she was ready gone, but not okay for her to shove a guy after she’d been shoved?

Is somebody cusses you out, punches a friend in the face, ya might get a little pissed off, right?

Come on guy it isn't real obvious this girl was a real jerk?  Sure it shouldn't have come to that but if she would have left then none of this would have happened...right?

If when told....get lost....she got lost, no problems, right?

Right here......

One of Hunt's former college teammates told police the accuser went crazy after they were told to leave -- and "began calling him and Hunt the N-word and specifically she stated, '##### you n*gger. You Ain't #####."

Why didn't she leave as told to do?  Well?  But it was Hunts fault?

So if told to go away and you refuse what happens next is who's fault?

Bottom line

Hunt...how old? That won't wotk, so...see ya?

Girl....look you %^$%^% we aren't going anywhere

a friend of Hunt's a girl....he said go.

Girl....shut up WHAM~~~  (slaps her)

Hunt and friends try to get away, the girl follows them.  yep...stupid.

FINALLY....Hunt has had it, yep....pissed.

When all she had to do was go away.

 

[JuniorNB]

Is somebody cusses you out, punches a friend in the face, ya might get a little pissed off, right?

Come on guy it isn't real obvious this girl was a real jerk?  Sure it shouldn't have come to that but if she would have left then none of this would have happened...right?

If when told....get lost....she got lost, no problems, right?

Right here......

One of Hunt's former college teammates told police the accuser went crazy after they were told to leave -- and "began calling him and Hunt the N-word and specifically she stated, '##### you n*gger. You Ain't #####."

Why didn't she leave as told to do?  Well?  But it was Hunts fault?

So if told to go away and you refuse what happens next is who's fault?

So if a girl calls a black guy the n-word, you think physical violence is ok?  Interesting.

 

[ZenoRazon]

So if a girl calls a black guy the n-word, you think physical violence is ok?  Interesting.

Still babling on little man?

How about a...ok ok I apology for belittling your comments, sorry.

Try that, ok?

 

[ZenoRazon]

Mom....what happened tonight? 

girl....I punched a girl, called a couple nice guys the N  word and refused to leave them alone.

Mom....then what.

girl....would you believe that actually made them mad?

Mom.... really?  No.

girl...yes, believe it, they actually got pissed.

Mom...my poor baby, how about some warm milk. ok?

girl...I did have to shove a guy also.

Mom....forget all those bad people, here drink this.

What if we found out this girl had a history of hassles with men?

 

[Bayhawks]

Is somebody cusses you out, punches a friend in the face, ya might get a little pissed off, right?

Come on guy it isn't real obvious this girl was a real jerk?  Sure it shouldn't have come to that but if she would have left then none of this would have happened...right?

If when told....get lost....she got lost, no problems, right?

Right here......

One of Hunt's former college teammates told police the accuser went crazy after they were told to leave -- and "began calling him and Hunt the N-word and specifically she stated, '##### you n*gger. You Ain't #####."

Why didn't she leave as told to do?  Well?  But it was Hunts fault?

So if told to go away and you refuse what happens next is who's fault?

Bottom line

Hunt...how old? That won't wotk, so...see ya?

Girl....look you %^$%^% we aren't going anywhere

a friend of Hunt's a girl....he said go.

Girl....shut up WHAM~~~  (slaps her)

Hunt and friends try to get away, the girl follows them.  yep...stupid.

FINALLY....Hunt has had it, yep....pissed.

When all she had to do was go away.

She left; she was in the hall, which isn’t his property.  We don’t know why she was out there: maybe she was waiting on an Uber, maybe she was looking for her keys, maybe she had a friend who was in a different room.  It doesn’t matter; she had left.

HUNT went AFTER her, he was the aggressor.  We don’t know if any of that actually happened, because only Hunts friends are claiming it did.  What we do know is what the video shows, which is him going after her, and him attacking her.  

Youre OK with that, so there ya go.

 

[JuniorNB]

Mom....what happened tonight? 

girl....I punched a girl, called a couple nice guys the N  word and refused to leave them alone.

Mom....then what.

girl....would you believe that actually made them mad?

Mom.... really?  No.

girl...yes, believe it, they actually got pissed.

Mom...my poor baby, how about some warm milk. ok?

girl...I did have to shove a guy also.

Mom....forget all those bad people, here drink this.

What if we found out this girl had a history of hassles with men?

Then I'd still not shove and kick her. This really isn't all that difficult.  Stay in your hotel room and drink your Gray Goose and hang with the chicks. Stay out of the hallway where there's a disturbance. Especially if you have anger management issues and can't control yourself. Easy peezy

 

[Bayhawks]

Mom....what happened tonight? 

girl....I punched a girl, called a couple nice guys the N  word and refused to leave them alone.

Mom....then what.

girl....would you believe that actually made them mad?

Mom.... really?  No.

girl...yes, believe it, they actually got pissed.

Mom...my poor baby, how about some warm milk. ok?

girl...I did have to shove a guy also.

Mom....forget all those bad people, here drink this.

What if we found out this girl had a history of hassles with men?

What if we found out Hunt has a history of violence and anger issues?

 

[ZenoRazon]

It gets better and better....

Hunt's friend told police they kicked the women out of the apartment when they learned both were 19 years old, but Ottinger said that they were kicked out because she "didn't want" one of the men in the group, the report says.

Hunt's friend said that Ottinger called him and Hunt racial slurs when they were told that they needed to leave, the report says.

The two women then waited in the hallway as they tried to arrange a ride back to Kent State, the report says. Hunt's friend said he gave them $20 for a ride, and that Hunt went to bed, the report says.

Ottinger's friend said she tried to tell Ottinger that they should leave, but Ottinger "really wanted to stay" and became "very dramatic" and "very upbeat" once they were kicked out, the report says.

Hunt's friend said the women stayed out in the hallway for about 30 minutes as Ottinger continued to yell and pound on the apartment door, the report says.

Another woman who was with Hunt's group of friends told police that Ottinger hit her in the face when she went into the hallway in an attempt to get the pair to leave, the report says.

Ottinger, however, said that Hunt came out of the apartment and "shoved and pushed her," causing abrasions on her knee and hand, and a scratch to her chest, the report says.

 

[ZenoRazon]

She left; she was in the hall, which isn’t his property.  We don’t know why she was out there: maybe she was waiting on an Uber, maybe she was looking for her keys, maybe she had a friend who was in a different room.  It doesn’t matter; she had left.

HUNT went AFTER her, he was the aggressor.  We don’t know if any of that actually happened, because only Hunts friends are claiming it did.  What we do know is what the video shows, which is him going after her, and him attacking her.  

Youre OK with that, so there ya go.

Hunt's friend told police they kicked the women out of the apartment when they learned both were 19 years old, but Ottinger said that they were kicked out because she "didn't want" one of the men in the group, the report says.

Hunt's friend said that Ottinger called him and Hunt racial slurs when they were told that they needed to leave, the report says.

The two women then waited in the hallway as they tried to arrange a ride back to Kent State, the report says. Hunt's friend said he gave them $20 for a ride, and that Hunt went to bed, the report says.

Ottinger's friend said she tried to tell Ottinger that they should leave, but Ottinger "really wanted to stay" and became "very dramatic" and "very upbeat" once they were kicked out, the report says.

Hunt's friend said the women stayed out in the hallway for about 30 minutes as Ottinger continued to yell and pound on the apartment door, the report says.

Another woman who was with Hunt's group of friends told police that Ottinger hit her in the face when she went into the hallway in an attempt to get the pair to leave, the report says.

Ottinger, however, said that Hunt came out of the apartment and "shoved and pushed her," causing abrasions on her knee and hand, and a scratch to her chest, the report says.

Pound on the door?  

Yell?

Hit a woman in the face?

How about.....

Woman goes back in the room....she hit me.

Hunt...ok ok that's it.

 

[ZenoRazon]

What if we found out Hunt has a history of violence and anger issues?

The NFL didn't know that?

 

[ZenoRazon]

Then I'd still not shove and kick her. This really isn't all that difficult.  Stay in your hotel room and drink your Gray Goose and hang with the chicks. Stay out of the hallway where there's a disturbance. Especially if you have anger management issues and can't control yourself. Easy peezy

Blah blah blah blah blah...yawn.

 

[Bayhawks]

Hunt's friend told police they kicked the women out of the apartment when they learned both were 19 years old, but Ottinger said that they were kicked out because she "didn't want" one of the men in the group, the report says.

Hunt's friend said that Ottinger called him and Hunt racial slurs when they were told that they needed to leave, the report says.

The two women then waited in the hallway as they tried to arrange a ride back to Kent State, the report says. Hunt's friend said he gave them $20 for a ride, and that Hunt went to bed, the report says.

Ottinger's friend said she tried to tell Ottinger that they should leave, but Ottinger "really wanted to stay" and became "very dramatic" and "very upbeat" once they were kicked out, the report says.

Hunt's friend said the women stayed out in the hallway for about 30 minutes as Ottinger continued to yell and pound on the apartment door, the report says.

Another woman who was with Hunt's group of friends told police that Ottinger hit her in the face when she went into the hallway in an attempt to get the pair to leave, the report says.

Ottinger, however, said that Hunt came out of the apartment and "shoved and pushed her," causing abrasions on her knee and hand, and a scratch to her chest, the report says.

Pound on the door?  

Yell?

Hit a woman in the face?

How about.....

Woman goes back in the room....she hit me.

Hunt...ok ok that's it.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, the girl had it coming, blah, blah, blah, blah, it’s not ok to hit girls, blah, blah, blah, blah, unless they knock 9n your door, blah, blah, blah, blah.

 

[rockaction]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, the girl had it coming, blah, blah, blah, blah, it’s not ok to hit girls, blah, blah, blah, blah, unless they knock 9n your door, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Okay, it's kind of time to wrap the thread up. Now we're not discussing even remotely the point of the thread.  

 

[ZenoRazon]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, the girl had it coming, blah, blah, blah, blah, it’s not ok to hit girls, blah, blah, blah, blah, unless they knock 9n your door, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Nobody hit a girl guy.

A shove and a weak kick at her.

Reality is your friend, give it a shot.