(Keeper league) DeMarco M. (1 Viewer)

[3quinox]

What would you give for Demarco Murray? I have him and have gotten some offers already but have no idea where his value should be. Standard non ppr league. Whats the best keeper strategy for him? Is he just a solid Rb2 and no more, if thats the case, I can sell high right now. Also If i keep him it will take up my first or second round pick.

Feel free to post your question ill answer any of em. Thanks

 

[Tony Reali]

we lose a draft pick depending on where our player was drafted.

i picked up murray on waivers. i'd like to try to trade him for a 3rd or 4th round pick

 

[Crazy Tony]

I drafted Murray in our Dynasty league #9 overall in our rookie/FA draft.

When healthy and given opportunity he won right to be every week starter and even set a franchise record 258yds in single game. Better than a guy named Emmit Smith, Dickerson...etc.

Still, I don't see reason to exlcude Felix Jones and clear cut starter won't be determined especially with the way RBs get injured.

Consider his value dropped a little since he's on IR and there is UNKNOWN and presence of Felix Jones.

Also remind people what he did accomplish and that when healthy he beat out all of the competition to kick ### and has definite upside.

Usually, I try to present deals that people can say yes to.

Last year...if you'd traded a guy like Murray for a QB like Eli...whose was coming off a 25 INT season... it would've paid off huge. I would look for some player that you think will break out like that. Beware of 2012 Rookies...as there is no guarantee when they'll be able to contribute. 2011 class of NEWTON...AJ Green..Murray, Helu, JJones, Ponder/Dalton, Gabbert...etc....no clear indication of when they'll payoff.

You might See if you can trade him for both Michael LeShoure and Javid Best. Or just try to get a player and a pick...or upgrade one of your pick.

 

[Concept Coop]

Murray looked really good and I am still a fan of his. His injury concerns are there, although, the "plagued" word would be premature.

Felix Jones is not the answer at RB - Murray is and will beat out Felix if he needs to. He is more balanced and consistant.

I still think Murray is a top 12 dynasty back. Don't play in traditonal keeper leagues, however.

 

[faulkfan]

If healthy I think he is a top 12 RB going forward with the potential to be top 5. He has ALL the skills and really only lacks a coach who will give him more opportunities.

 

[Shutout]

Was in the right place at the right time but every single "concern" of his going in reared its head within a month's time frame. His durability concern showed itself. The criticism of whether he could bring the same level of energy each and every week showed itself. And, honestly, once he went from being the kid with the fresh legs when he stepped in against a terrible run defense, he seemed to lose it quick over the next few weeks and was playing average at the end.

He and Felix are forever attached. You need both or you need to avoid both because the Cowboys are going to use both. These guys are carbon copies of one another. Both can be used interchangeably in the Cowboys offense and its really just a matter of "which guy will be healthy and fresh at any given time".

I don't see how anyone can honestly look at these guys and honestly think that either is going to come in and push the other to the side as it would be needed to be a top back like people are saying. Felix looked GREAT the other night in the Giants game and Demarco looked GREAT at times when he had a chance. ABout the only difference right now is Felix actually has a chance to end this season making a case why he, and not Demarco, should be the guy next year.

People need to take notice that when Demarco came onto the scene, it was like all the stars aligning. He was fresh and everybody else had played over a month already. Demarco hadn't looked all that apparently great in the games he had played in up till then. He also got some great matchups in those first few games to help. And probably most importantly, when he started for the Cowboys, the team was in the process of making a shift to protect Romo and his rib injury and the Cowboys became a much more balanced team and got on a little winning streak. They are actually more balanced now than they have been in a long time and I think they will stay with that.

 

[Football Jones]

Murray looked really good and I am still a fan of his. His injury concerns are there, although, the "plagued" word would be premature. Felix Jones is not the answer at RB - Murray is and will beat out Felix if he needs to. He is more balanced and consistant. I still think Murray is a top 12 dynasty back. Don't play in traditonal keeper leagues, however.

Absolutely. Murray is more talented than Felix & that will show itself. Murray is a fast, tough RB with outstanding receiving skills.He's got the kind of ability & situation where he could lead the league in rushing. Murray has big-time potential in either PPR or non-PPR leagues.

 

[Abraham]

I have him 5th in dynasty Rbs behind foster, McCoy, rice, and Peterson.

 

[Concept Coop]

These guys are carbon copies of one another. Both can be used interchangeably in the Cowboys offense and its really just a matter of "which guy will be healthy and fresh at any given time". I don't see how anyone can honestly look at these guys and honestly think that either is going to come in and push the other to the side as it would be needed to be a top back like people are saying. Felix looked GREAT the other night in the Giants game and Demarco looked GREAT at times when he had a chance. ABout the only difference right now is Felix actually has a chance to end this season making a case why he, and not Demarco, should be the guy next year.

Very early in the process I called Demarco Murray a Felix clone. As far as I know, that comparison hadn't been thrown out there yet. But I was wrong. They are not the same back. Murray has the balance needed to be an every down back and Felix doesn't. Felix can look like Murray when the holes are there. But Murray can turn a 1 yard gain, into a 3 yard gain, and a 3 yard gain into a 10 yard gain. Felix is taken down by the first guy more often than not. The Cowboys will use both - most teams use more than one guy - and Murray and Felix do have their similarities. They both run tall, they both have top end speed, they both move in diagonals (Priest Holmes) and they both lack elite lateral movement. But Murray is a better, more natural receiver, and, most importantly, has much better balance. Both guys have slashing homerun ability, so both will have chances to be relevant. But Murray is the only one of the two that has a bell cow skill set. Not to mention that Felix has never been healthy AND well conditioned for any stretch of time.

 

[Topes]

If you had typed the name "Murray" in the thread title, folks would find your thread when searching for DeMarco Murray.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Murray is a screaming sell right now and this offseason. Every single time a non-elite rookie RB has a few good games people fall in love and pay for the upside. Lots of times the guy in question ends up being Julius Jones.

Murray is a decent player who had some strong games mainly against bad teams and defenses. He also had some average games. He's on a pass first team, and likely to stay in some form of timeshare with Felix Jones, who has a similar profile. I'm guessing that at least one guy in every league sees him as the surefire next big thing and will overpay. Multiple people in this thread are calling him top-5 or saying he's going to lead the league in rushing - top 10 RB value should be available - SELL SELL SELL!

 

[Concept Coop]

Murray is a screaming sell right now and this offseason. Every single time a non-elite rookie RB has a few good games people fall in love and pay for the upside. Lots of times the guy in question ends up being Julius Jones.Murray is a decent player who had some strong games mainly against bad teams and defenses. He also had some average games. He's on a pass first team, and likely to stay in some form of timeshare with Felix Jones, who has a similar profile. I'm guessing that at least one guy in every league sees him as the surefire next big thing and will overpay. Multiple people in this thread are calling him top-5 or saying he's going to lead the league in rushing - top 10 RB value should be available - SELL SELL SELL!

You are right, guys like Julius, Helu, Blount, Slaton, etc come along every year. That doesn't mean you write off every rookie drafted outside of the first round. You have to separate the Shonn Green's from the LeSean McCoy's, not lump them together.So, we need to look at Murray's body of work and decide on his talent. His talent is what will make him great, or below average. He is was taking contact and getting extra yards, unlike Felix. His vision is MUCH better than Felix's. His ability to make the fist person miss, then get north and south was impressive. He runs behind his pads well, which I didn't expect as he runs high. His footwork, which was questioned, has been great. He has essentially been used in a role that didn't play to his strengths, and he excelled. That is big. Once Dallas can alter it's offense to get Murray out of the backfield more, watch out. And, to top it off, he has something that even Ray Rice and many other great RBs don't and never will: Homerun, 4.35 speed. And how anyone can suggest selling AFTER a season ending injury and Felix, so far, looking good, is beyond me.

 

[solorca]

My league is probably a bit different than most of yours, but we can only keep two players at the same round we drafted them, and only for one season. I am already keeping Lesean McCoy as a first rounder, and originally planned on keeping Murray as a 17th rounder. The way things played out over the past month (first, losing carries to Felix...then getting hurt), I am reconsidering it. I have the other options that I could keep in his place...

Roddy White - 2nd rounder (most likely will not keep)

Tony Romo - 3rd rounder (a lot of QB's are kept in my league, but even so, I'll probably not keep him)

Percy Harvin - 6th rounder (interesting thought with how well he's played)

Marshawn Lynch - 8th rounder (probably one of my top choices)

Right now, Lynch, Murray, and Harvin are my top choices for the final spot, but I think I would go with Lynch. A month ago, Murray was a no-brainer.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Given that setup, Lynch for an 8th and Murray for a 17th both seem like no-brainers. That's better value than McCoy for a 1st even though McCoy is a better player.

 

[solorca]

Given that setup, Lynch for an 8th and Murray for a 17th both seem like no-brainers. That's better value than McCoy for a 1st even though McCoy is a better player.

It's a reasonable option, but I can't see myself letting McCoy go, even at the first round price. Basically the top 24 players will be kept, so the dropoff that I would have by letting McCoy go would be a huge loss for my team. I'd rather use my 1st rounder on a top 5 player than risk keeping a potential bust like Murray or Lynch (I know everyone is a potential bust, but they are both more risky than McCoy, by a long shot).I agree with you about the value, but with only two keepers, I think the best choice is to pick my best overall player and then keep another later round guy. Plus, I think that I may be able to get either Lynch or Murray with my second round pick if I let them go. No chance McCoy would make it through the 7-8 people who will have first rounders in my league.

 

[Concept Coop]

My league is probably a bit different than most of yours, but we can only keep two players at the same round we drafted them, and only for one season. I am already keeping Lesean McCoy as a first rounder, and originally planned on keeping Murray as a 17th rounder. The way things played out over the past month (first, losing carries to Felix...then getting hurt), I am reconsidering it. I have the other options that I could keep in his place...Roddy White - 2nd rounder (most likely will not keep)Tony Romo - 3rd rounder (a lot of QB's are kept in my league, but even so, I'll probably not keep him)Percy Harvin - 6th rounder (interesting thought with how well he's played)Marshawn Lynch - 8th rounder (probably one of my top choices)Right now, Lynch, Murray, and Harvin are my top choices for the final spot, but I think I would go with Lynch. A month ago, Murray was a no-brainer.

Murray is the no-brainer here, IMO. Murray was not losing carries to Felix. Murray has had less than 20 carries twice, since starting. The first was the Philly debacle - Felix was injured. The 2nd was week 13. The Cowboys' offense was sluggish - Murray had 12. Felix had 6. Felix has had 5, 0, and 6 carries since coming back from injury (until NYG). Murray was clearly the starter and was being given a starter's workload.

 

[Abraham]

Felix and murray have very few similarities as interior runners.