Kellen Clemens Vs. Washington (1 Viewer)

[NorrisB]

Clemens looks good in controlling the game like a leader...his numbers arent huge but hes really managing the game well and making good decisions he looks 10x better than pennington McCareins is his preferred receiver on 3rd down. He threw to him at least twice today on 3rd and long and got first downs both times. He also completed a key 3rd down pass to him against the Ravens. This is probably because they have worked together so much on the 2nd team in practice. Arm strength is very good but I'm not buying cannon yet. It'll be interesting to see how the game plan changes now that he is behind center. A little bit too improvisational at the moment. Tries things close to the line of scrimmage on broken plays that are dangerous when he should just be getting outside the tackle box and throwing it away. Has gotten lucky with this so far, that won't continue for long. He looks good. No guarantees but I'm comfortable with him for the rest of the season. No INT's today was HUGE. That's progress anybody can measure. Brad Smith played horrible dropping two easy passes. Clemens got a lot of different guys involved on offense...Baker had a good number of grabs, Smith got a bunch of chances, Kowaleski (sp?) got a TD grab, and he even went to Wright once or twice. He's got good mobility as well.

 

[thayman]

He looked much better than his stats showed IMO. If Coles was playing the Skins lose this game.

 

[Young 8]

i agree, very good game

WRs didn't help him:

- Smith ---> 2 drops

- Cotchery ---> 1 fumble and one costly drop in OT

 

[BusMan]

Quick snapshot of Clemens' targets:

Smith - 11 (two end zone looks)

Cotchery - 11

Baker - 6

Washington - 5

McCareins - 5

[thrown away] - 2

Jones - 2

Wright - 1

Kowalewski - 1

 

[Bri]

McCareins is his preferred receiver on 3rd down. He threw to him at least twice today on 3rd and long and got first downs both times. He also completed a key 3rd down pass to him against the Ravens. This is probably because they have worked together so much on the 2nd team in practice.

I understand your practice time logic here but the stats don't really support it.Note target stats above

 

[fatness]

He overthrew several receivers today but overall looked quite good.

 

[Kiddnets]

As a JEt fan I was thrilled with KC's game - showed all the things Jaws was raving about at the draft when he proclaimed KC the best QB in the draft over LEinart, YOung and Cutler (may be on his way!) - he put his team in a position to win. Not too upset they blew it as usual - could use a top 5 pick on this team!!!

 

[Rovers]

The Jets once again lost due to poor execution and mistakes, but the difference was that Clemens wasn't responsible for any of that. Ferguson is now in my opinion, an official bust based on his draft slot.Two very costly penalties, the Smith drops, and an O linethat has trouble keeping the pass rush off the QB long enough to go deep. Clemens' ability to run bailed the O line out on several occassions. As a Jets fan, I am very comfortable going forward with the cow farmer from Oregon as the team QB. Pennington can still start for an NFL team, but only one with a running game and an O line that can pass block. I'll watch the game again tomorrow.... but at first glance, I thought he played very well given consideration to all extenuating circumstances.

 

[NorrisB]

McCareins is his preferred receiver on 3rd down. He threw to him at least twice today on 3rd and long and got first downs both times. He also completed a key 3rd down pass to him against the Ravens. This is probably because they have worked together so much on the 2nd team in practice.

I understand your practice time logic here but the stats don't really support it.Note target stats above

You must have a reading comprehension problem, I said third down

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Big time Jets fan here...

One of the most impressive things for me, regarding Clemens' performance, was his athleticism and rushing ability...

He showed excellent pocket presence and footwork, sliding out of the pocket, keeping his eyes downfield until the last moment, and then when he did decide to run, he demonstrated deceptive speed..

Hell, he was practically the Jets leading rusher today...

And it wasn't forced at all...

He looked great...

And kudos to Chad for how gracefully he has handled this whole thing...

I love Chad, and really respect him, and it was fun to see him celebrating when Kowalewski scored...

 

[circelli17]

He showed a lot more athleticism and "Game Smarts" than he was previously given credit for. Clemens pulled it down and ran for the sticks on a number of occasions to pick up key 3rd downs knowing exactly what he needed. He looks like a keeper

 

[sheerterror]

The normally sure-handed Cotchery, IMO, had his worst game as a Jet today, dropping passes that he would normally come down with. Brad Smith also had a few key drops that didn't help the Jets out, and I'm fairly confident that some of this was a result of the receivers not being used to catching balls with as much zip on them as Clemens throws with. Catching a ball with more velocity and rotation to it is much different than catching a floater from Pennington, and I think it's something the receivers were a bit unaccustomed to in a game scenario. I think this will improve when the Jets play again in week 11. It didn't surprise me that yet again, the Jets managed to find a way to blow this game in the 2nd half, but as was stated earlier, this team needs as good of a draft pick as it can get, and based off of what was seen today, I don't think it will need to be spent on a QB.

 

[NorrisB]

The normally sure-handed Cotchery, IMO, had his worst game as a Jet today, dropping passes that he would normally come down with. Brad Smith also had a few key drops that didn't help the Jets out, and I'm fairly confident that some of this was a result of the receivers not being used to catching balls with as much zip on them as Clemens throws with. Catching a ball with more velocity and rotation to it is much different than catching a floater from Pennington, and I think it's something the receivers were a bit unaccustomed to in a game scenario. I think this will improve when the Jets play again in week 11. It didn't surprise me that yet again, the Jets managed to find a way to blow this game in the 2nd half, but as was stated earlier, this team needs as good of a draft pick as it can get, and based off of what was seen today, I don't think it will need to be spent on a QB.

 

[Bri]

McCareins is his preferred receiver on 3rd down. He threw to him at least twice today on 3rd and long and got first downs both times. He also completed a key 3rd down pass to him against the Ravens. This is probably because they have worked together so much on the 2nd team in practice.

I understand your practice time logic here but the stats don't really support it.Note target stats above

You must have a reading comprehension problem, I said third down

3rd down passing offense WR targetsBrad Smith

Brad Smith

Baker

sack

Cotch

sack

sack

Smith

Leon

Cotch

Wright

***McCariens

Leon

Cotch

Cotch

McCareins targets came 3 times on first down, once on second, and once on third down

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?g...7&week=REG9

 

[Reaper]

The normally sure-handed Cotchery, IMO, had his worst game as a Jet today, dropping passes that he would normally come down with.

You know.... It's just unfortunate... At first I cursed Cotchery but, you have to give credit to the Skins for the sandwich hit as well.. We say Cotch "normally" comes up with the plays but, does he get hit like that often?There were a few plays where Skins players caught a ball and a Jet defensive player, specifically Elam, would check himself and make the sure tackle but didn't POP the Wr.... Sometimes that makes all the difference in the world.... If the Skins simply tackle Cotchery and don't pop him, the Jets get at least a FG and the game is looking good for the Jets.The Leon Washington drop killed me - Guess the ball could have had less air or been thrown deeper but DAMNNNNNNN.... There were so many opportunities for the Jets in this game.Still good signs from Clemens. Now he has a bye week to look it over and work his tail off and hopefully his next game is a bit better and maybe the Jets Just sell out and stop the run somehow???At least I own Portis

 

[MCguidance]

The normally sure-handed Cotchery, IMO, had his worst game as a Jet today, dropping passes that he would normally come down with. Brad Smith also had a few key drops that didn't help the Jets out, and I'm fairly confident that some of this was a result of the receivers not being used to catching balls with as much zip on them as Clemens throws with. Catching a ball with more velocity and rotation to it is much different than catching a floater from Pennington, and I think it's something the receivers were a bit unaccustomed to in a game scenario. I think this will improve when the Jets play again in week 11. It didn't surprise me that yet again, the Jets managed to find a way to blow this game in the 2nd half, but as was stated earlier, this team needs as good of a draft pick as it can get, and based off of what was seen today, I don't think it will need to be spent on a QB.

I think what he said is the most important thing. I also believe it may be a bit early to declare that, but I would, at this point, agree. I would say that the Jets have two HUGE needs. One, is the O line. They need a big left guard to really solidify the left side of the line (assuming Brick can live up to his draft position -- because thus far he has been average at best) and get the running game back to where it was when Curtis was there. Second, they need another big run clogger for the defensive line -- assuming they stay in the 3-4 scheme. The scheme itself is great, but the years before Mangini were spent drafting for a 4-3 defense, not a 3-4. I do not believe for an instance that most of the players are not athletic enough that they cannot be converted, but the drafting was tailored for a different scheme. I would say that the Oline is the more pressing need -- and this amazes me considering they drafted two studs not so long ago (Brick and Mangold - Mangold by the way is very good, if you check out his assignment percentage). The game is won and lost in the trenches. You can draft Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montanta, whoever, but if you don't protect them, they aren't going to be successful. I think Clemens is going to be a very good player, but we need to protect the kid.

 

[Max Power]

Is Mangini coming back?

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

Clemens showed some promise.

As others have mentioned, his WRs across the board had a couple of bad drops/alligator arm attempts that really would've changed the results of the game & Clemens' stats.

 

[sheerterror]

The normally sure-handed Cotchery, IMO, had his worst game as a Jet today, dropping passes that he would normally come down with. Brad Smith also had a few key drops that didn't help the Jets out, and I'm fairly confident that some of this was a result of the receivers not being used to catching balls with as much zip on them as Clemens throws with. Catching a ball with more velocity and rotation to it is much different than catching a floater from Pennington, and I think it's something the receivers were a bit unaccustomed to in a game scenario. I think this will improve when the Jets play again in week 11. It didn't surprise me that yet again, the Jets managed to find a way to blow this game in the 2nd half, but as was stated earlier, this team needs as good of a draft pick as it can get, and based off of what was seen today, I don't think it will need to be spent on a QB.

I think what he said is the most important thing. I also believe it may be a bit early to declare that, but I would, at this point, agree. I would say that the Jets have two HUGE needs. One, is the O line. They need a big left guard to really solidify the left side of the line (assuming Brick can live up to his draft position -- because thus far he has been average at best) and get the running game back to where it was when Curtis was there. Second, they need another big run clogger for the defensive line -- assuming they stay in the 3-4 scheme. The scheme itself is great, but the years before Mangini were spent drafting for a 4-3 defense, not a 3-4. I do not believe for an instance that most of the players are not athletic enough that they cannot be converted, but the drafting was tailored for a different scheme. I would say that the Oline is the more pressing need -- and this amazes me considering they drafted two studs not so long ago (Brick and Mangold - Mangold by the way is very good, if you check out his assignment percentage). The game is won and lost in the trenches. You can draft Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montanta, whoever, but if you don't protect them, they aren't going to be successful. I think Clemens is going to be a very good player, but we need to protect the kid.

Agreed, especially with the last few statements. That's why I've been getting a kick out of the few people that have been suggested the Jets will draft McFadden. They simply don't need McFadden, they need linemen at all costs...either o-linemen that can pass protect consistently and open up better holes in the running game, or d-linemen who can actually *gasp* get pressure on the QB, as well as stop the run. Pressuring the QB will help out the secondary a ton too, and I don't think it's necessarily fair that the Jets secondary is taking so much blame for how porous they've been...it's difficult to cover a man downfield when the quarterback has time to make a sandwich before he throws the ball.

 

[Kiddnets]

The normally sure-handed Cotchery, IMO, had his worst game as a Jet today, dropping passes that he would normally come down with. Brad Smith also had a few key drops that didn't help the Jets out, and I'm fairly confident that some of this was a result of the receivers not being used to catching balls with as much zip on them as Clemens throws with. Catching a ball with more velocity and rotation to it is much different than catching a floater from Pennington, and I think it's something the receivers were a bit unaccustomed to in a game scenario. I think this will improve when the Jets play again in week 11. It didn't surprise me that yet again, the Jets managed to find a way to blow this game in the 2nd half, but as was stated earlier, this team needs as good of a draft pick as it can get, and based off of what was seen today, I don't think it will need to be spent on a QB.

I think what he said is the most important thing. I also believe it may be a bit early to declare that, but I would, at this point, agree. I would say that the Jets have two HUGE needs. One, is the O line. They need a big left guard to really solidify the left side of the line (assuming Brick can live up to his draft position -- because thus far he has been average at best) and get the running game back to where it was when Curtis was there. Second, they need another big run clogger for the defensive line -- assuming they stay in the 3-4 scheme. The scheme itself is great, but the years before Mangini were spent drafting for a 4-3 defense, not a 3-4. I do not believe for an instance that most of the players are not athletic enough that they cannot be converted, but the drafting was tailored for a different scheme. I would say that the Oline is the more pressing need -- and this amazes me considering they drafted two studs not so long ago (Brick and Mangold - Mangold by the way is very good, if you check out his assignment percentage). The game is won and lost in the trenches. You can draft Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montanta, whoever, but if you don't protect them, they aren't going to be successful. I think Clemens is going to be a very good player, but we need to protect the kid.

Agreed, especially with the last few statements. That's why I've been getting a kick out of the few people that have been suggested the Jets will draft McFadden. They simply don't need McFadden, they need linemen at all costs...either o-linemen that can pass protect consistently and open up better holes in the running game, or d-linemen who can actually *gasp* get pressure on the QB, as well as stop the run. Pressuring the QB will help out the secondary a ton too, and I don't think it's necessarily fair that the Jets secondary is taking so much blame for how porous they've been...it's difficult to cover a man downfield when the quarterback has time to make a sandwich before he throws the ball.

While the JEts don't "need" McFadden they do need a game breaker like him - TJ is a serviceable RB but even an awful offense like Minny is great when AP is running wild. Who do you gameplan for on the JEts O now? Nobody is scaring anyone - I would not hesitate to grab a stud WR or RB even though it isnt a need because a gamebreaker is required to get to the next level IMO. The OL can be addressed in FA or mid draft - Brick is having a good year, MAngold is a stud, Bender may get a shot to fill the G role - rest need upgrade but not 1st or 2nd rd upgrade IMO. Solid FA signings should be enoughDraft should grab a gamebreaker in the top 5 or a big time NT - the rest of the picks should go to the defense - only safe players are Revis, Harris and Rhodes - rest can go IMO and that is scray - D Rob has something like a $9M cap # next year -

All thats left is to develop KC and look forward to next year - bummer for week 10!

 

[Bizkiteer]

IMO - He looked really good! He moved really well and brought a new dimension to the Jets game. His numbers were only lacking due to opportunity as Leon Washington returned a KO for a TD and the 'Skins recovered an on-side kick. Thus, at least two series that he would have put up some numbers, but never got the chance. He impressed me and if he continues to play like that, he'll be the Jets man for years to come.

 

[corpcow]

Clemens looks good in controlling the game like a leader...his numbers arent huge but hes really managing the game well and making good decisions he looks 10x better than pennington McCareins is his preferred receiver on 3rd down. He threw to him at least twice today on 3rd and long and got first downs both times. He also completed a key 3rd down pass to him against the Ravens. This is probably because they have worked together so much on the 2nd team in practice. Arm strength is very good but I'm not buying cannon yet. It'll be interesting to see how the game plan changes now that he is behind center. A little bit too improvisational at the moment. Tries things close to the line of scrimmage on broken plays that are dangerous when he should just be getting outside the tackle box and throwing it away. Has gotten lucky with this so far, that won't continue for long. He looks good. No guarantees but I'm comfortable with him for the rest of the season. No INT's today was HUGE. That's progress anybody can measure. Brad Smith played horrible dropping two easy passes. Clemens got a lot of different guys involved on offense...Baker had a good number of grabs, Smith got a bunch of chances, Kowaleski (sp?) got a TD grab, and he even went to Wright once or twice. He's got good mobility as well.

He may not have a cannon by Favre standards, but when we're used to seeing Chad's wet-noodle (and I'm a FAN of Chad), it is relatively cannon-like. I do feel more comfortable with him making tough throws especially at the end of the game when you have to go to the sideline and the defense sits back on the routes (which is where Chad REALLY struggled). I also noticed that the play calling was much more creative with Kellen than it has been with Chad, unlike last year, so I wonder how much of that helped. All in all, I feel good about him so far... gives me hope for an otherwise lost season. Oh, and Harris is a MONSTER.

 

[nittanylion]

I've been a big fan of Clemons since his college days, and have been pleased to see the progression he's made. I was very concerned on Sunday, as I thought he had more than a puncher's chance to beat the Redskins. He looked very confident out there, and I would agree that the entire Jets offense looked more 'alive' with him at the helm.

So from a fantasy perspective, what's the word out of Jet land...

...barring injury is Clemons the clear-cut starter the rest of the 07 Season, or is there still a threat that Pennington might resume the role of Starter?

The Jets have a nice Fantasy Playoff schedule...what are our expectations?

 

[sheerterror]

The normally sure-handed Cotchery, IMO, had his worst game as a Jet today, dropping passes that he would normally come down with. Brad Smith also had a few key drops that didn't help the Jets out, and I'm fairly confident that some of this was a result of the receivers not being used to catching balls with as much zip on them as Clemens throws with. Catching a ball with more velocity and rotation to it is much different than catching a floater from Pennington, and I think it's something the receivers were a bit unaccustomed to in a game scenario. I think this will improve when the Jets play again in week 11. It didn't surprise me that yet again, the Jets managed to find a way to blow this game in the 2nd half, but as was stated earlier, this team needs as good of a draft pick as it can get, and based off of what was seen today, I don't think it will need to be spent on a QB.

I think what he said is the most important thing. I also believe it may be a bit early to declare that, but I would, at this point, agree. I would say that the Jets have two HUGE needs. One, is the O line. They need a big left guard to really solidify the left side of the line (assuming Brick can live up to his draft position -- because thus far he has been average at best) and get the running game back to where it was when Curtis was there. Second, they need another big run clogger for the defensive line -- assuming they stay in the 3-4 scheme. The scheme itself is great, but the years before Mangini were spent drafting for a 4-3 defense, not a 3-4. I do not believe for an instance that most of the players are not athletic enough that they cannot be converted, but the drafting was tailored for a different scheme. I would say that the Oline is the more pressing need -- and this amazes me considering they drafted two studs not so long ago (Brick and Mangold - Mangold by the way is very good, if you check out his assignment percentage). The game is won and lost in the trenches. You can draft Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montanta, whoever, but if you don't protect them, they aren't going to be successful. I think Clemens is going to be a very good player, but we need to protect the kid.

Agreed, especially with the last few statements. That's why I've been getting a kick out of the few people that have been suggested the Jets will draft McFadden. They simply don't need McFadden, they need linemen at all costs...either o-linemen that can pass protect consistently and open up better holes in the running game, or d-linemen who can actually *gasp* get pressure on the QB, as well as stop the run. Pressuring the QB will help out the secondary a ton too, and I don't think it's necessarily fair that the Jets secondary is taking so much blame for how porous they've been...it's difficult to cover a man downfield when the quarterback has time to make a sandwich before he throws the ball.

While the JEts don't "need" McFadden they do need a game breaker like him - TJ is a serviceable RB but even an awful offense like Minny is great when AP is running wild. Who do you gameplan for on the JEts O now? Nobody is scaring anyone - I would not hesitate to grab a stud WR or RB even though it isnt a need because a gamebreaker is required to get to the next level IMO. The OL can be addressed in FA or mid draft - Brick is having a good year, MAngold is a stud, Bender may get a shot to fill the G role - rest need upgrade but not 1st or 2nd rd upgrade IMO. Solid FA signings should be enoughDraft should grab a gamebreaker in the top 5 or a big time NT - the rest of the picks should go to the defense - only safe players are Revis, Harris and Rhodes - rest can go IMO and that is scray - D Rob has something like a $9M cap # next year -

All thats left is to develop KC and look forward to next year - bummer for week 10!

I agree with you to some degree about the Jets needing a game breaker - which I don't consider Jones to be. But, IMO, we have one in Leon Washington. I may overrate him a little bit in my mind, but the guy is extremely talented and isn't being used nearly as much as he should be...and that's tough to believe considering the fact that Jones isn't getting an overwhelming number of touches himself. But to me, Washington getting the ball in the open field (which hasn't happened nearly enough this season) has major game breaking potential - see the Miami game last year. If the running game itself can improve via upgrades on the O-line and becomes more consistent, the occasional touches for Leon combined with what I think will be a pretty explosive receiving corp. Now that Clemens is in, I expect him to be able to utilize Coles and Cotchery's best skills, getting YAC. We do have the elements of a pretty good offense, I think things just need to be tightened up. Aside from Faneca who would likely be too expensive, are there any other good FA OL?

 

[NorrisB]

The normally sure-handed Cotchery, IMO, had his worst game as a Jet today, dropping passes that he would normally come down with. Brad Smith also had a few key drops that didn't help the Jets out, and I'm fairly confident that some of this was a result of the receivers not being used to catching balls with as much zip on them as Clemens throws with. Catching a ball with more velocity and rotation to it is much different than catching a floater from Pennington, and I think it's something the receivers were a bit unaccustomed to in a game scenario. I think this will improve when the Jets play again in week 11. It didn't surprise me that yet again, the Jets managed to find a way to blow this game in the 2nd half, but as was stated earlier, this team needs as good of a draft pick as it can get, and based off of what was seen today, I don't think it will need to be spent on a QB.

I think what he said is the most important thing. I also believe it may be a bit early to declare that, but I would, at this point, agree. I would say that the Jets have two HUGE needs. One, is the O line. They need a big left guard to really solidify the left side of the line (assuming Brick can live up to his draft position -- because thus far he has been average at best) and get the running game back to where it was when Curtis was there. Second, they need another big run clogger for the defensive line -- assuming they stay in the 3-4 scheme. The scheme itself is great, but the years before Mangini were spent drafting for a 4-3 defense, not a 3-4. I do not believe for an instance that most of the players are not athletic enough that they cannot be converted, but the drafting was tailored for a different scheme. I would say that the Oline is the more pressing need -- and this amazes me considering they drafted two studs not so long ago (Brick and Mangold - Mangold by the way is very good, if you check out his assignment percentage). The game is won and lost in the trenches. You can draft Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montanta, whoever, but if you don't protect them, they aren't going to be successful. I think Clemens is going to be a very good player, but we need to protect the kid.

Agreed, especially with the last few statements. That's why I've been getting a kick out of the few people that have been suggested the Jets will draft McFadden. They simply don't need McFadden, they need linemen at all costs...either o-linemen that can pass protect consistently and open up better holes in the running game, or d-linemen who can actually *gasp* get pressure on the QB, as well as stop the run. Pressuring the QB will help out the secondary a ton too, and I don't think it's necessarily fair that the Jets secondary is taking so much blame for how porous they've been...it's difficult to cover a man downfield when the quarterback has time to make a sandwich before he throws the ball.

While the JEts don't "need" McFadden they do need a game breaker like him - TJ is a serviceable RB but even an awful offense like Minny is great when AP is running wild. Who do you gameplan for on the JEts O now? Nobody is scaring anyone - I would not hesitate to grab a stud WR or RB even though it isnt a need because a gamebreaker is required to get to the next level IMO. The OL can be addressed in FA or mid draft - Brick is having a good year, MAngold is a stud, Bender may get a shot to fill the G role - rest need upgrade but not 1st or 2nd rd upgrade IMO. Solid FA signings should be enoughDraft should grab a gamebreaker in the top 5 or a big time NT - the rest of the picks should go to the defense - only safe players are Revis, Harris and Rhodes - rest can go IMO and that is scray - D Rob has something like a $9M cap # next year -

All thats left is to develop KC and look forward to next year - bummer for week 10!

I agree with you to some degree about the Jets needing a game breaker - which I don't consider Jones to be. But, IMO, we have one in Leon Washington. I may overrate him a little bit in my mind, but the guy is extremely talented and isn't being used nearly as much as he should be...and that's tough to believe considering the fact that Jones isn't getting an overwhelming number of touches himself. But to me, Washington getting the ball in the open field (which hasn't happened nearly enough this season) has major game breaking potential - see the Miami game last year. If the running game itself can improve via upgrades on the O-line and becomes more consistent, the occasional touches for Leon combined with what I think will be a pretty explosive receiving corp. Now that Clemens is in, I expect him to be able to utilize Coles and Cotchery's best skills, getting YAC. We do have the elements of a pretty good offense, I think things just need to be tightened up. Aside from Faneca who would likely be too expensive, are there any other good FA OL?

I personally feel that they need a DE, Shaun Ellis' skills have eroded.

 

[corpcow]

The normally sure-handed Cotchery, IMO, had his worst game as a Jet today, dropping passes that he would normally come down with. Brad Smith also had a few key drops that didn't help the Jets out, and I'm fairly confident that some of this was a result of the receivers not being used to catching balls with as much zip on them as Clemens throws with. Catching a ball with more velocity and rotation to it is much different than catching a floater from Pennington, and I think it's something the receivers were a bit unaccustomed to in a game scenario. I think this will improve when the Jets play again in week 11. It didn't surprise me that yet again, the Jets managed to find a way to blow this game in the 2nd half, but as was stated earlier, this team needs as good of a draft pick as it can get, and based off of what was seen today, I don't think it will need to be spent on a QB.

I think what he said is the most important thing. I also believe it may be a bit early to declare that, but I would, at this point, agree. I would say that the Jets have two HUGE needs. One, is the O line. They need a big left guard to really solidify the left side of the line (assuming Brick can live up to his draft position -- because thus far he has been average at best) and get the running game back to where it was when Curtis was there. Second, they need another big run clogger for the defensive line -- assuming they stay in the 3-4 scheme. The scheme itself is great, but the years before Mangini were spent drafting for a 4-3 defense, not a 3-4. I do not believe for an instance that most of the players are not athletic enough that they cannot be converted, but the drafting was tailored for a different scheme. I would say that the Oline is the more pressing need -- and this amazes me considering they drafted two studs not so long ago (Brick and Mangold - Mangold by the way is very good, if you check out his assignment percentage). The game is won and lost in the trenches. You can draft Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montanta, whoever, but if you don't protect them, they aren't going to be successful. I think Clemens is going to be a very good player, but we need to protect the kid.

Agreed, especially with the last few statements. That's why I've been getting a kick out of the few people that have been suggested the Jets will draft McFadden. They simply don't need McFadden, they need linemen at all costs...either o-linemen that can pass protect consistently and open up better holes in the running game, or d-linemen who can actually *gasp* get pressure on the QB, as well as stop the run. Pressuring the QB will help out the secondary a ton too, and I don't think it's necessarily fair that the Jets secondary is taking so much blame for how porous they've been...it's difficult to cover a man downfield when the quarterback has time to make a sandwich before he throws the ball.

While the JEts don't "need" McFadden they do need a game breaker like him - TJ is a serviceable RB but even an awful offense like Minny is great when AP is running wild. Who do you gameplan for on the JEts O now? Nobody is scaring anyone - I would not hesitate to grab a stud WR or RB even though it isnt a need because a gamebreaker is required to get to the next level IMO. The OL can be addressed in FA or mid draft - Brick is having a good year, MAngold is a stud, Bender may get a shot to fill the G role - rest need upgrade but not 1st or 2nd rd upgrade IMO. Solid FA signings should be enoughDraft should grab a gamebreaker in the top 5 or a big time NT - the rest of the picks should go to the defense - only safe players are Revis, Harris and Rhodes - rest can go IMO and that is scray - D Rob has something like a $9M cap # next year -

All thats left is to develop KC and look forward to next year - bummer for week 10!

I agree with you to some degree about the Jets needing a game breaker - which I don't consider Jones to be. But, IMO, we have one in Leon Washington. I may overrate him a little bit in my mind, but the guy is extremely talented and isn't being used nearly as much as he should be...and that's tough to believe considering the fact that Jones isn't getting an overwhelming number of touches himself. But to me, Washington getting the ball in the open field (which hasn't happened nearly enough this season) has major game breaking potential - see the Miami game last year. If the running game itself can improve via upgrades on the O-line and becomes more consistent, the occasional touches for Leon combined with what I think will be a pretty explosive receiving corp. Now that Clemens is in, I expect him to be able to utilize Coles and Cotchery's best skills, getting YAC. We do have the elements of a pretty good offense, I think things just need to be tightened up. Aside from Faneca who would likely be too expensive, are there any other good FA OL?

I personally feel that they need a DE, Shaun Ellis' skills have eroded.

Looking at Scout.com's overall ranking right now for the 2008 draft class (which doesn't include any jrs yet) - the top 5 is Early Doucet, and then 2 DTs, a DE, and an OT. In fairness, the Jr class is much stronger at the offensive skills positions, but just looking down this list it is decidedly heavy on offensive and defensive linemen and MLB/OLB.