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My best pal & i built a trippin cabin - 2x4s, greenhouse plastic - near some pot plants we grew in a state forest N of Salem when we were teens. Our see-thru walls led to some really cool tricks of light at night which we saw as wood animals with either the face of J Edgar Hoover or Uncle Ho. Depending which it was we'd either cry out "Oh, lawdylawdy - Jedgar come fuh me now, chile!" like we was Steppin Fetchit or scream "AAAAH!! THE BLOOD RED HANDS OF HO CHI MINH!!!! (which was the title of a propanda piece from Readers Digest that ol peeps made all us kids read). I miss acid....
Yeah, thats sort of the perception i have in my mind of him, too. And ive read a lot of military histories of Vietnam. The background political climate, and the look into life from the Vietnamese perspective is really eye-opening. If he had been American, he'd be a hero with his own holiday. I like Burns' portrayal of him like a modern day Lao Tse.
Except he was willing to send men into combat for a cause he thought we couldn't win. The second episode actually lowers my opinion of him.
I think, at least as portrayed in the series, and echoed by one of the Marines in Episode 3, he was the last one that was acting ideologically and honestly, regarding policy. I feel like he really believed that a loss to the Communists in Asia would have been crippling to our country. The fact that it was politically expedient for him may have swayed him, but i feel like he picked the lesser of two evils, in his mind. But i definitely understand your viewpoint.
wow is it free???PBS app on Roku is
All 10 episodes streaming and they have the explicit version.
one thing I heard Burns illlustrate with Sam Harris, but not to great detail so I'm interested to see if it plays out in the doc, its probably a canard that JFK would have gotten us out of the war, he was reeling from looking soft with the bay of pigs and while perhaps he wouldn't have escalated, its easy to idealize and romanticize him thinking he would have solved all our problems.Autumn Wind said:
well, if you have Roku. then you just have to register your device online at pbs.org.
he's really coming off as more ineffectual as President than i remember him having been painted in other historical accounts.
A Better War by Sorley was a good read, imo.Jefferson the Caregiver said:
The TCL TVs with Roku are the shiznit. Perfect bedroom TV, dirt cheap in the 40"-46" segment.
The scary thing is how they pointed out that Johnson kept most of JFK's senior staff because he didn't feel as confident about his skills in foreign affairs as JFK. Oof.
I disagree with their assertion as to the reason - LBJ was a brilliant, complex man with a deep sense of honor but his every public act was for appearance's sake. The Apple/Germond old-guard reporters i got to know on the press train during JCarter's campaign used to say the Old Man got a chub every time he saw a parade march and that was the major reason Johnson believed more boots on the ground would cure all war ills.
Your draft number 337 was not called in 1970.
have PBS app on roku, only seeing "broadcast version"PBS app on Roku is
All 10 episodes streaming and they have the explicit version.
yeah. my best pal's year (he was a couple yrs older than me, mine was the last year of a mass callup & drew safe) was expected to be a heavy callup. we went camping & got loaded and listened to WBCN's relay coverage - no instant info in those days - of the draw (number drawn for each calendar day chronologically), mixed with anti-war songs & such.. my pal was born @ quarter after midnight and the day before his birthday was NUMERO UNO. his day was in the 300s and, the second he found out he was safe, he bolted down the trail to his car. i followed closely enough to get in before he took off, he drove a million mph to his house and, when i got in there he was spinning his mother around, kissing her like a machine gun, thanking her for waiting those extra few minutes before squirting him out. good times...
This thing is 10 episodes long?PBS app on Roku is
All 10 episodes streaming and they have the explicit version.
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If I try to access shows 6 - 10 it tells me I need a membership to WETA Passport which is our local PBS station. Not sure if that is a local thing or all PBS stations
This is a tough one for me because clearly he know as far back as 1965 that this was a disaster waiting to happen. Apparently he told LBJ twice to freeze the new troops and stop the bombings and it just bounced off of him. By 1967 he just mentally checked out. could he have tried harder sure but not sure if it would have helped
Errol Morris' interview/documentary with McNamara "The Fog of War" is a good companion piece to the Burns/Novick film. There's a Vimeo stream of it.
