IIRC, after the Keshawn Johnson / Tampa Bay incident in 2003, the NFLPA stepped in and put a cap on the number of games that a player could be suspended for conduct detrimental.
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
No. Britt will get a monster contract.
I remember something like that too. However, the way Britt is playing, he is being gifted the starting spot. If Munchak wanted to suspend Britt the whole year (along Bob's line) then he could just suspend him then sideline him for drops and poor production. In some other world, Washington is starting not the WR prototype guy. Williams is a prototype backup, full effort, great attitude, attends everything...it's not illogical to present that Britt should be sidelined either.
Eagles and their fans always seem to think Britt is better than he is because of that one standout performance. If I were GM, I'd see if they were interested first.
Baltimore plays em' twice a year and I can't recall reading of any big concern by them. I'd be surprised if they were very positive about Britt.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
Is this dude drop-able in 12teamers?
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I wish the Pats would trade for Britt or get him in FA next year...I do not own him but I like to see potentially high WR talent play with some solid QB instead of the mess that is Tennessee. Just look at Larry Fitz to know how a bad QB can screw up any good WR. And I am not saying Britt is anywhere close to Larry but if he works out and stays healthy all off season, he is still young and talented enough that he can be a FF stud if he has a decent QB throwing to him. Just having Hasselbeck back out there was better than freaking Locker
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Never did figure out what many on these boards saw in this guy. There is no stand out talent with Britt and even if there was, the QB in Tennessee isn't making anyone into a star.
Obviously it depends on your league's settings, but I'd be pretty hard-pressed to drop a guy coming off a 9 target game unless there was some smoke coming from the coaching staff about reducing his role.
Britt was drafted in a lot of leagues as a WR4 or WR5. I think he's still a worthwhile gamble in that range.
From 2010 to 2011, only Calvin Johnson averaged more points per game. Britt played with some pretty crappy QBs during that time, too.
Unfortunately, once Britt got on the field, it became clear that he's not the same WR he was two years ago. I don't know if the injuries are still bothering him or what.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
as adam has pointed out, he has had some success with lesser QBs*...
even if he goes to another team (at this point, approaching 100% by 2014?), maybe the biggest issue is that he has had multiple knee surgeries, and hasn't looked the same...
i'm not sure he has even looked 80% of what he was...
* though to call him top five requires some proration, such as first three games in 2011 when he got off to great start... he had about 300 yards and 3 TDs in first three games before tearing ACL... that projected to 1,600 yards and 16 TDs... likely unsustainable, but he wouldn't have needed to in order to be top 5...
that is the tantalizing physical ability, athleticism and promise he once had, before the knee injuries...
in 2010, he had 775 yards and 9 TDs in 12 games, a meatier and less speculative proration (with 4 X games under his belt compared to 2011) to about 1,000+ yards and 12 TDs...
he was looking like an ascendant player coming off the 2010 season and first three games of 2011, before knee injury/ies...
** likely to complicate any kind of prospective free agent contract next year, he was also probably top five in arrests since 2010-2011, so there are grave knucklehead concerns (though he has seemed to have done a better job avoiding trouble in last year or so)...
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Hope this a joke.
cstu
Footballguy
If he were to go to a team it would probably be one that doesn't have a great shot at the playoffs and can afford to take the risk. The Panthers maybe.
cstu
Footballguy
Or even worse: a two- or three-year deal. (If there's no guaranteed money in the later years, longer contracts are worse for the player, and better for the team, than shorter contracts.)
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
This was my feeling too, but despite all the talent in the world, he's a guy who has always been inconsistent at best; adding his attitude on top pf everything else it just seems way more probable that the team turn to Wright and Washington (who lead the team in receiving targets overall) and let Britt continue to mouth off and check out until they can dump him on another team.
I know what Britt can do -- just don't think he wants to step up and do it, and with this latest mouthing off incident, I see a situation that will likely get worse, not better, for Britt.
I'm in a 14-teamer, and dropping him for Burleson or Washington, two players who I think can bring more consistency to a possible flex play than Britt.
No pro-ration required. From my Kenny Britt spotlight:
For evidence of this home run potential, we need look no further than Kenny Britt's 2010 and 2011 seasons. Both years were marred by serious injuries, but he played three healthy stretches in those two years. From week 1 to week 7 of 2010,Kenny Britt played in six games, putting up 23 receptions, 434 yards, 7 TDs, and a 2 point conversion. He reached the end zone in each of the six games, and ranked as the #5 fantasy receiver over that seven week span. Then, he tore his hamstring and missed six weeks while recovering. He returned at the end of the year to play from week 14 to week 17. Over that span, he put up 19 receptions, 341 yards, and 2 touchdowns, once again ranking as the #5 fantasy receiver. Then Britt opened 2011 on fire, catching 17 passes for 289 yards and 3 touchdowns in two and a half games, once again ranking as the #5 receiver, before tearing his ACL and missing the rest of the year. In 13 games, Britt caught 59 passes for 1064 yards and 12 touchdowns, with a two-point conversion thrown in for good measure. Over the two years, only Calvin Johnson scored more fantasy points per game. Perhaps most impressively, Kenny Britt did all of this despite playing with three different quarterbacks. Six of his games were with Kerry Collins, four were with Vince Young, and three were with Matt Hasselbeck. None of those quarterbacks is still starting in the NFL.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
i'm calling it prorated, you are calling it PPG production...
i think we agree he missed 19 of 32 games combined in 2010-2011...
six of which he missed in 2010...
he didn't finish top five for the season, but for the games he played...
he missed 13 games in 2011...
needless to say he didn't finish top five for that season either, but at the time he left...
as i said, 2010 was a more impressive proration, as he got in more than half a season...
three games in 2011 (or two and a half, if you prefer), not so much...
at what point do you draw the line on what i call proration and you call PPG production...
if he had one game at #1 WR production in 2011 (instead of three, or two and a half), would it be fair to call him a "#1 WR?" on a PPG basis for that time frame?
i wouldn't have brought it up if you had used the PPG qualifier...
part of the issue is, where would you draft a "top 5 WR" if he was only going to play three games?
a lot lower than #5... so the same descriptive term can have different meanings depending on the context...
perhaps it isn't so cut and dry that he was a top 5 WR FOR THOSE SEASONS IN QUESTION (granted he was on PPG basis, but that may not be very meaningful in season he played three games... as i said, more so in the season he played 10)...
clearly, if he is going to have gaping voids in his seasons, that makes him worth a bit less than if he didn't...
again, somebody could play two games, or one (close to britt in 2011) and have an awesome PPG average...
maybe i'm reading too much into this, but to say any player is top five or 10 or whatever, there is an assumption that is over a meaningful stretch of games... that standard was met to a greater degree in 2010, not at all in 2011...
especially with a player like britt with a checkered medical history, it may not make sense to assume he would have been top five for the season, if he had just played 16 games instead of two and a half... that is the point, he gets hurt... a lot...
he tore first a hamstring and than secondly an ACL, in the span of less than twelve months... given that track record, britt seemingly isn't the kind of player it would be safe to make health/durability-based assumptions on...
but perhaps this exercise was unnecessary, right?
we both agree he hasn't looked the same since that phenomenal but all too brief few games in 2011... and since he is two years removed from it, and still has been unable to return to form, it would be hard to not conclude that maybe he never will...
* the below quote from the britt spotlight is the CRUX of where i think we differ, and though you call it PPG scoring, i refer to it as prorating... above you broke out what you called his three "healthy stretches" of six, than four, than three games, over a span of two seasons... than you aggregate them, divide them by number of games, and note only johnson did better...
so, don't get me wrong, that is impressive... but in real life, fantasy seasons don't get to straddle production from several different years... in the 2013 fantasy season, i don't get to roll "stretches" from last season into this one... or for that matter, from future season/s... i only get :this: season (we also don't get to abstain from playing on weeks when britt is out
)... in 2010, britt owners were happy for 10 games, not for six... in 2011, yes for three games, not for 13... the multi-season stat aggregation glosses over this... another way to look at this matter, the flip side, as it were... how many points less than top 5 britt did an owner actually get in 2011, with the WR that he needed to replace him with for those 13 games he missed (that could get kind of complicated to account for, if next WR in order slides into his place, than the next WR slides into THAT place, etc., until starter spots are filled - but likely there would be SOME loss that could be accounted for)...
"In 13 games, Britt caught 59 passes for 1064 yards and 12 touchdowns, with a two-point conversion thrown in for good measure. Over the two years, only Calvin Johnson scored more fantasy points per game."
** miles austin had strong, season long production in 2009-2010 (32 games, 150-2,361-18)...
in 2011, austin was the #1 WR after two weeks... he missed six games that season (much like britt in 2010), but on a PPG basis, produced approximately like a top 15 WR (depending on format)... he finished closer to a top 50 WR at end of the season, playing 10 games... hypothetically, if he had torn his ACL after those first two games, when he was #1, would it make sense to call him a #1 WR?
in 2012, danny amendola was the #1 WR after two weeks... he missed five games (similar to britt in 2010 and austin in 2011), on a PPG basis, produced approximately like a top 20 WR... for the season, he was close to top 50... so again, if he blows his knee out after two weeks, would that have made him a #1 WR?
collapsing multi-season or in-season "stretches" and leaving out the barren intervals can cause as much mischief at times, as it can illuminate... the more so, when we are dealing with players that historically may have had difficulty putting together sustained stretches of health for multiple seasons in their career (such as britt, austin and amendola - and in austin's case, though he played 16 games last year, he wasn't necessarily healthy for the duration, which caused his play to suffer at times, for stretches)...
i think we agree he missed 19 of 32 games combined in 2010-2011...
six of which he missed in 2010...
he didn't finish top five for the season, but for the games he played...
he missed 13 games in 2011...
needless to say he didn't finish top five for that season either, but at the time he left...
as i said, 2010 was a more impressive proration, as he got in more than half a season...
three games in 2011 (or two and a half, if you prefer), not so much...
at what point do you draw the line on what i call proration and you call PPG production...
if he had one game at #1 WR production in 2011 (instead of three, or two and a half), would it be fair to call him a "#1 WR?" on a PPG basis for that time frame?
i wouldn't have brought it up if you had used the PPG qualifier...
part of the issue is, where would you draft a "top 5 WR" if he was only going to play three games?
a lot lower than #5... so the same descriptive term can have different meanings depending on the context...
perhaps it isn't so cut and dry that he was a top 5 WR FOR THOSE SEASONS IN QUESTION (granted he was on PPG basis, but that may not be very meaningful in season he played three games... as i said, more so in the season he played 10)...
clearly, if he is going to have gaping voids in his seasons, that makes him worth a bit less than if he didn't...
again, somebody could play two games, or one (close to britt in 2011) and have an awesome PPG average...
maybe i'm reading too much into this, but to say any player is top five or 10 or whatever, there is an assumption that is over a meaningful stretch of games... that standard was met to a greater degree in 2010, not at all in 2011...
especially with a player like britt with a checkered medical history, it may not make sense to assume he would have been top five for the season, if he had just played 16 games instead of two and a half... that is the point, he gets hurt... a lot...
he tore first a hamstring and than secondly an ACL, in the span of less than twelve months... given that track record, britt seemingly isn't the kind of player it would be safe to make health/durability-based assumptions on...
but perhaps this exercise was unnecessary, right?
we both agree he hasn't looked the same since that phenomenal but all too brief few games in 2011... and since he is two years removed from it, and still has been unable to return to form, it would be hard to not conclude that maybe he never will...
* the below quote from the britt spotlight is the CRUX of where i think we differ, and though you call it PPG scoring, i refer to it as prorating... above you broke out what you called his three "healthy stretches" of six, than four, than three games, over a span of two seasons... than you aggregate them, divide them by number of games, and note only johnson did better...
so, don't get me wrong, that is impressive... but in real life, fantasy seasons don't get to straddle production from several different years... in the 2013 fantasy season, i don't get to roll "stretches" from last season into this one... or for that matter, from future season/s... i only get :this: season (we also don't get to abstain from playing on weeks when britt is out
)... in 2010, britt owners were happy for 10 games, not for six... in 2011, yes for three games, not for 13... the multi-season stat aggregation glosses over this... another way to look at this matter, the flip side, as it were... how many points less than top 5 britt did an owner actually get in 2011, with the WR that he needed to replace him with for those 13 games he missed (that could get kind of complicated to account for, if next WR in order slides into his place, than the next WR slides into THAT place, etc., until starter spots are filled - but likely there would be SOME loss that could be accounted for)..."In 13 games, Britt caught 59 passes for 1064 yards and 12 touchdowns, with a two-point conversion thrown in for good measure. Over the two years, only Calvin Johnson scored more fantasy points per game."
** miles austin had strong, season long production in 2009-2010 (32 games, 150-2,361-18)...
in 2011, austin was the #1 WR after two weeks... he missed six games that season (much like britt in 2010), but on a PPG basis, produced approximately like a top 15 WR (depending on format)... he finished closer to a top 50 WR at end of the season, playing 10 games... hypothetically, if he had torn his ACL after those first two games, when he was #1, would it make sense to call him a #1 WR?
in 2012, danny amendola was the #1 WR after two weeks... he missed five games (similar to britt in 2010 and austin in 2011), on a PPG basis, produced approximately like a top 20 WR... for the season, he was close to top 50... so again, if he blows his knee out after two weeks, would that have made him a #1 WR?
collapsing multi-season or in-season "stretches" and leaving out the barren intervals can cause as much mischief at times, as it can illuminate... the more so, when we are dealing with players that historically may have had difficulty putting together sustained stretches of health for multiple seasons in their career (such as britt, austin and amendola - and in austin's case, though he played 16 games last year, he wasn't necessarily healthy for the duration, which caused his play to suffer at times, for stretches)...
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Where do you get your PPG stats from? Any way you could talk to FBG about implementing a PPG column in the data dominator?
VaTerp
Footballguy
I have been high on Britt the last two years b/c I thought the potential ROI was really good based on the relatively cheap buying price and his tremendous upside.
But in pre-season I noticed that he did not look good at all. Very stiff, rounding most of his routes, and just not looking anything like the player who, when healthy, flashed WR1 ability. I have him in one redraft league where I'm forced to play him or Vincent Brown until Gronk gets back but if he doesnt look significantly better in the next few weeks he will be a strong candidate for the WW.
Maybe he needs a change of scenery but right now its looking more and more like he's more on track to be out of the league in a few years than he is take advantage of his immense talent. Aw well.....
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Simple as this: Britt will do nothing for fantasy owners this year. He needs new scenery and will get it next year. A trade this year to a good team is just a bonus.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
I disagree. 
at Ron Washington. That's the way football go.
at Ron Washington. That's the way football go.
simsarge
Footballguy
Never understood how guys like this can't seem to just shut their pie hole. IF he shuts his mouth and does his job for another 3 months he gets a pay raise and a shot at getting on a team that he can help win something. Now he'll be lucky to get signed to a This-is-your-last-chance-doofus-don't-screw-it-up, incentive heavy contract.
JFS171
Footballguy
Should be noted that Britt caught a 40+ yarder last week down the sideline over Jonathan Joseph that was called back for a hold in the backfield. Add that to his other lines and he's got a 5 reception for 65-70+ yard day against a pretty good defense.
Watched a good bit of the game since it was on in my market, and Britt was open a lot - some of the lack of production was on Locker looking at other WRs, or flat out poor throws. I know Cecil mentioned that Britt gave poor effort on one throw high and behind on a third down where they really needed it. IMO he grossly undersold the blame to Locker for such a terrible throw. Britt ran a quick slant and was two yards ahead of Joseph with 15 yards up the middle of the field to run to if the throw if halfway decent. Locker threw the ball three feet behind him and at least 9 feet in the air. The Houston announcers were even saying what an easy throw it was for Locker and how he was lucky it didn't get picked off with such poor placement. The fact that Britt even got a hand to it was remarkable IMO.
Regardless, the only real hope for steady production this year is a trade, or you sit on him till 2014 in dynasties.
Watched a good bit of the game since it was on in my market, and Britt was open a lot - some of the lack of production was on Locker looking at other WRs, or flat out poor throws. I know Cecil mentioned that Britt gave poor effort on one throw high and behind on a third down where they really needed it. IMO he grossly undersold the blame to Locker for such a terrible throw. Britt ran a quick slant and was two yards ahead of Joseph with 15 yards up the middle of the field to run to if the throw if halfway decent. Locker threw the ball three feet behind him and at least 9 feet in the air. The Houston announcers were even saying what an easy throw it was for Locker and how he was lucky it didn't get picked off with such poor placement. The fact that Britt even got a hand to it was remarkable IMO.
Regardless, the only real hope for steady production this year is a trade, or you sit on him till 2014 in dynasties.
cstu
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
CUT
JFS171
Footballguy
Perhaps we're talking about different plays. 4th Quarter, Locker throwing from the endzone to Britt down the far sideline from the camera. Was caught by Britt, ruled a reception, and spotted by the sideline official.
Flag for an illegal block or holding or formation or something brought it back. I don't recall what exactly.
Either my memory is completely shot at 30, or we're talking about different plays.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Kenny is living off of his rookie contract, not 2 games in 2011. His pay is the same this year whether or not the Titans decide to give him enough targets to become a fantasy superstar. Kenny Britt knows that in 15 weeks he is free of that contract and will be a UFA. Will there be some terms in his new contract in regards to being a doofus? Probably. Is the guy a knucklehead? Probably. Regardless, the man has Gronk paws and a large catch radius. If you throw it near him, he will catch it.
Barring a bum knee, he will get paid and his new team will hold him in much higher esteem than the Titans did Jared Cook and Kenny Britt.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Thanks for the info. I have enjoyed your posts in this forum a great deal.
I do not plan on starting Britt this week, but I truly believe he will have a big game this weekend vs SD.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Telling yall, this is the week Britt lights it up.
Max Power
Footballguy
Are they starting a new QB? Tennessee has the 32nd ranked passing attack in the NFL. And it's not even close. Locker only had about 60 passing yards going into the 4th quarter last week. This passing game is an avoid until further notice.
habsfan
Footballguy
Agree here. QB /overall passing attack (and the fact that 2011 was a long time ago) are the reasons I cut bait on him. His attitude has little to do with it.
cstu
Footballguy
Use the Historical Data Dominator, instead. A couple of years back, Drinen added the ability to sort by "Statistic #1 / Statistic #2". Set statistic #1 to points, set statistic #2 to games played, and voila- you can sort by points per game.
Yeah, I know Britt's been a bit of a distraction this week but Tenn probably still thinks they have a chance at a wild card spot so they can't afford to bench Britt. If Wright is limited or out, Britt will get plenty of targets. I think SD scores at least 21 points so there will be some passing going on.
JFS171
Footballguy
We're talking about different plays -- definitely was NOT that play.
First of all, it came from the end zone or at least inside the 10, passing left to right on the screen (believe it was 4th quarter) -- not from the 40 yard line. And the play was called back due to penalty (holding or illegal shift or something), meaning it's not showing up in the box score as an incomplete pass. Not sure if rewind shows penalized plays - my guess is no in an effort to speed things up.
He caught the ball - 40+ yards down the 'far' sideline (TV view), over Joseph, in bounds -- moving left to right on the screen, with Locker throwing from near the end zone. It was initially marked by the head linesman as a reception, but called back due to penalty. It happened.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
As a Britt owner, I can't put this guy in my lineup. Britt will blow up a few games, but for the most part, if you tick off the coaches they are not going to call the play in your direction. Combine that with Locker at QB and you end up with a last option flex play.
If the Titans can get any trade value for him, they should do it.
If the Titans can get any trade value for him, they should do it.
Not Sleeping
Footballguy
I dropped him this week for Fleener. I also had Vincent Brown, Andre Roberts, and Kendall Hunter as potential droppables, but Britt "won" the get-off-my-roster contest.
BlueBlazer05
Footballguy
I have an extra roster spot, and I'm debating between picking up Britt or Doug Baldwin. It's a keeper league, plus either one is gonna stay on my bench anyways, so I may go with Britt just in case the light finally turns on for him or his situation changes.
