rockaction
Footballguy
They also, per PFF, cover slot receivers especially well. But I'd still start Godwin. Actually, I am.
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Kenny Stills Train ..... (1 Viewer)
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Chaser1439
Footballguy
started this thread 6 years ago and never been more excited to own KENNY STILLS!!! He is going to go off this week and for the foreseeable future. Got him for $11 on $100 FAAB budget ... GLTA!!!
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Rankings on Stills still fairly low. I wonder why? The talking heads on fantasy radio are basically saying he's a must pick up with Fuller on the shelf. Stills becomes the #2 and can fly. It's Watson throwing him the ball. What's not to like? Recovered from his injury, correct? Good to go. I'm thinking of dropping C Davis, whom I have drunk the juice before, and going with Stills at WR #3 / Flex / bye / Flex.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm seeing WR35 or so, which seems right.
I guess you gotta weigh whether Tannehill is Davis's savior or not and how much volume Stills will get with DeAndre and Keke there.
Cool predicament. Two guys playing roles that were going to be just left in the aftermath but for changes.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ugh. Sorry, dude. If it makes you feel any better, I rostered him until I watched him pull up lame that game in Week Four. Extra ####ty, or I'd have held him.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It’s all good, my FAAB has been well spent, most of it went to Gallman when Barkley got hurt. I was immediately able to turn Gallman into Lamar Jackson.
rockaction
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Stills is primed for a monster this week for sure but beyond that I don't see why he wouldn't be same feast-or-famine-or-famine-or-famine guy he has always been. Fuller is the same way.
They disappoint just often enough to be relegated to your bench then blow up and send you chasing points that never materialize until they get sent back to the bench.
Again, love Stills this week but that's it.
They disappoint just often enough to be relegated to your bench then blow up and send you chasing points that never materialize until they get sent back to the bench.
Again, love Stills this week but that's it.
shadrap
Footballguy
Yep, whether for Miami, N.O. Seems like he blows up for one game & then has three real duds in a row. Not looking at stats but that's what I recall.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I hate having guys go on Thursday night. So I am leaning Stills over McLaurin for this week
Yes, my bad. I was thinking Oakland and typing NY. Probably because they both suck at covering.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
With Coutee's injury history, if he blows up this week hes apt to lose a limb in the process.
I have Stills as a "WR4"- ish kind of bench guy in one league. He will probably have several starts in the right matchups where people would want to trot him out.
Actually, this week is probably one of the best games to fire him up rest-of-season. I probably won't get to use him because I have other options, but for those needing a week or two, this could be a good spot to utilize him.
TZM
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Released Tate from Cinci to grab Stills, WR5/6 on my team. Great match up this week.
Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
I'm tempted to pick him up just for this week. I am just not sure I want to bench a reliable starter for Stills upside this week.
Well, this is arguably the best situation Stills has ever had. I mean, he played with Brees, but he was pretty one dimensional then, and had to contend with Graham, Colston, and Cooks.
In theory, Stills could/should be more productive than Fuller was. He's almost as explosive, and has much better hands. Its just a matter of getting Watson's trust. Fuller arguably should have been fantasy's #1 overall WR these past 4 games, if he didn't drop like 4 TD's, including 2 over 40 yards. So, there is certainly room for Stills to be a high-end WR2, its just a matter if he will.
I wouldn't be totally shocked to see him get heavily involved early, as Oakland may sell out to stop Hopkins, and force Stills/Coutee to beat them in Fuller's absence. Anywhere from 4-60 to 8-150-2 seems within reason to me.
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Chaka
Footballguy
I am not certain you can say Stills has better hands than Fuller, let alone "much better hands."
Fuller shoulda-woulda-coulda... didn't. As he shoulda-woulda-coulda... hasn't throughout his career.
There are a lot of ways to explain away Stills consistently inconsistent production. "He was only a rookie/2nd year player with too much competition when he played with Brees." "Tannehill doesn't play to his strengths." Or "Tannehill sucks."
Whatever. If you're open, Brees finds you. Jarvis Landry produced remarkably well in the exact same situation as Stills. And there wasn't any more competition for looks than he has now.
I like Stills this week, a lot, and he does have his best QB since Brees. He has put up decent year end numbers a couple times.
But banking on anything more than the occasional monster game bookended by multiple nothing-burgers feels like wishful thinking.
If he is used as the big play threat that he has been for most of his career, and nothing suggests that he won't be, then he simply will not receive enough volume to make him a viable week-over-week play. He's a dart throw occasional single-handed week winner.
But if was trying to hit dead-red-center with him, this would be the week I threw that dart.
Chaka
Footballguy
FTR I am starting Lockett, Waller and Hooper (we combine WR &TE) and am considering picking up Stills for a one week play but can't pull the trigger on him with my much more consistent options.
However if Matt Ryan doesn't play I may make the move and acquire/start Stills over Hooper (although I can easily see the argument for Schaub giving Hoop a ton of volume)
Love the ceiling, hate the floor.
However if Matt Ryan doesn't play I may make the move and acquire/start Stills over Hooper (although I can easily see the argument for Schaub giving Hoop a ton of volume)
Love the ceiling, hate the floor.
as a fuller owner im thoroughly disapointed fuller got hurt (again), but i feel pretty good about having acquired stills. i liked that last week stills basically replaced fuller's role (on a snap count basis at least he played 95% of snaps), a little disapointed he only got 5 targets as fuller had been getting around 8-10 per game. I would agree with the thoughts that stills is probably not a good every week play, but worth spot starts depending on matchup.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Exactly where I am at. Add A.J. Brown to the mix.
My first choice is to drink the juice for first round pick C Davis in 2017. Tough call. I can see one or the other or perhaps both having good games. I like Stills with a long TD in this home game against OAK. Davis has let me down soooo many times in the past and I swore I would never...lol.
Ironically, wasn't it Tannehill that held back Stills a tad? Now it's Tanny helping Davis? Hmm
I may run out of adds (5) and stick with Davis, unless I see injury concerns, etc.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Same exact situation.
Stills has a terrific match up and Davis seems like he had an instant connection with Tannehill.
Davis is #22 projection this week on a site or two, if he is starting I think you almost have to go that way.
The good news is it's only Thursday and you can go back and forth on it 100x the next 3 days
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Ohhhh it's you MoP lol. Glad to know there are others out there laboring over such a simple choice LOLSame exact situation.
Stills has a terrific match up and Davis seems like he had an instant connection with Tannehill.
Davis is #22 projection this week on a site or two, if he is starting I think you almost have to go that way.
The good news is it's only Thursday and you can go back and forth on it 100x the next 3 days
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Davis has a little more consistency in terms of targets. Stills has had 3 games in the 12-15 range, Davis 2 games of 20+, but it felt like Davis was the clear #1 target for Tannehill.
Stills has 22 TD in his last 47 starts
Davis has 6 TD in his last 29 starts
Go ahead, how do you read the tea leaves here this week? Do you take QB into consideration?
LawFitz
Footballguy
I have Stills and AJ Brown in right now ahead of Cooks and the ghost of Josh Gordon. Yes, my WRs are a mess. Luv Stills and Browns' matchups this week.
Cooks has been a bust this season, thx to the Rams awful OL turning Jared Goof back into a pumpkin. That said, Cooks is due for some mean regression at home with his own nice matchup vs. Cincy, so I'll be going back and forth between these three names the next few days for sure.
My one concern about Stills is ironically my same reason for optimism... The Raiders are pretty high on the 2nd-rd rookie CB replacing Conley this week (Travon Mullen). He is a big part of why they shipped Conley. He is a total wildcard. Probably, he plays like a rookie and gets toasted one or eight times. Or maybe he breaks out and shuts Stills down. At least we know for sure we are getting the suck with the Bucs and Bengals' secondaries.
Cooks has been a bust this season, thx to the Rams awful OL turning Jared Goof back into a pumpkin. That said, Cooks is due for some mean regression at home with his own nice matchup vs. Cincy, so I'll be going back and forth between these three names the next few days for sure.
My one concern about Stills is ironically my same reason for optimism... The Raiders are pretty high on the 2nd-rd rookie CB replacing Conley this week (Travon Mullen). He is a big part of why they shipped Conley. He is a total wildcard. Probably, he plays like a rookie and gets toasted one or eight times. Or maybe he breaks out and shuts Stills down. At least we know for sure we are getting the suck with the Bucs and Bengals' secondaries.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
There has to also be folks who are running RBs in their flex spots vs Kenny Stills
Mel Gordon for example, 3 games in a row of single digits vs Stills this week?
J. Williams, J.Howard, J.Mixon, Ty Johnson...some of the folks are thinking about it.
Mel Gordon for example, 3 games in a row of single digits vs Stills this week?
J. Williams, J.Howard, J.Mixon, Ty Johnson...some of the folks are thinking about it.
wormburner
Footballguy
Rankings are always slow to adjust. They want to see it before they believe it. Watson has been sacked only twice in the last two games. Fuller had 3 TD's two weeks ago and dropped 3 TD's last week. Stills moves into the Fuller roll in a situation where there are now only two other players vying for targets. He's going to be a monster for sure. I can see 160/2 and I'm not exaggerating.
wormburner
Footballguy
With that awesome thought in mind, and I hope you're right, if he has such a game would you sell high or ride the train?
Chaka
Footballguy
I would like to see these drops from last week. I'm looking now. Do you have a source for the video?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Fuller drops Three TDs
I went to type it into google and it came right up so there might be better video quality.
Chaka
Footballguy
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I definitely prefer Watson over Tanny MoP. Stills is primed to have opportunities. I really don't care too much for TEN as a team either. Solid D and Henry. AJ Brown or C Davis for a score. Both not so sure.
I'm talking myself into Stills over C Davis lol.
Edit: Well with 4 of 5 adds so far, better hold off with the switch.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Ryan didn't practice, but I wonder if the coach again intoned that he was either on track or planning to play like he did yesterday.
Chaka
Footballguy
Could be. Could be gamesmanship. Either way Ryan is clearly not 100%
I can make an argument that Schaub may be even better for Hooper than Ryan too.
But the reality is I think Stills is poised for a week winning performance. The Raiders could go into Houston and do what they did in Indy but I just don't see that happening.
rockaction
Footballguy
Sure, wasn't questioning your decision. More like thinking out loud because I have Schaub in a Superflex to fill in for Darnold (did you see Monday?) and Mayfield (NE, again). I'm trying to figure out whether or not to cut Schaub, as it's a one-time usage, so I'm attuned to the Ryan thing.
Chaka
Footballguy
New England is a mirage. Their seven opponents have combined for 12 wins and Buffalo, who has faced a similarly easy schedule has five of those wins and that game was by far their toughest win.
They simply have not been tested.
Cleveland isn't very good but they are better than their record, I think. Cle is one of the few teams with WRs that compare with Atl's and Mayfield has far, far, far more ability than Schaub ever had. At this point I think many of us seasoned FFers were a little shocked last week when we realized that Schaub was still in the league.
You have to go with Mayfield IMO.
rockaction
Footballguy
Darnold against JAX it is, then.
rockaction
Footballguy
In all seriousness, Mayfield scored zero points against SF. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Nothing.
I think he gets just flat out single-digit skunked again by NE, who I do not think are paper tigers at all. They're just not as good as they've shown and are feasting on a lot of guys with barely a year's experience (like Mayfield) along the way.
But thanks for the input.
I think he gets just flat out single-digit skunked again by NE, who I do not think are paper tigers at all. They're just not as good as they've shown and are feasting on a lot of guys with barely a year's experience (like Mayfield) along the way.
But thanks for the input.
Chaka
Footballguy
Fair enough. Didn't Darnold put up negative points last week? Against New England of course but, while not paper tigers (and i never said they were) they faced Big Ben, Fitzpatrick/Rosen, Luke Fall, Josh Allen, Colt McCoy, Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold.
The Pittsburgh win was a.good one, I think, but that is one of the least challenging schedules I have ever seen, let alone for a SB champ.
What's Schaub's upside vs Seattle? 200 and 2? What's his downside? 0?
Mayfield is leading the league in turnovers but, to be fair, this is only Schaub's first start.
What about Mayfield? Same downside but the upside is an order of magnitude greater.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes, Darnold indeed put up negative points last week against the NEP. Yep, the NEP's opening schedule has been nearly littered with criminal ease.
And I'm also inclined to agree with you and say that I think Schaub's upside is indeed likely, for me, around 250 plus two vs. Seattle, which I'd take. That would be eighteen points. What does Baker average this year in my league? 13.06. I can't imagine that number increasing against NE when he can't even throw on certain teams that others have destroyed (I'm thinking of the LA Rams).
So it's really an easy decision depending on who's hurt in my lineup. But enough about me and back to Kenny...
Chaka
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
If you line them up, it's hard to start a WR2 speed specialist boom or bust vs the No 1 option in another offense. Davis is in year 3 and has been highly touted with good reason. Pretty sure a solid QB or better system would lead to better production, just my opinion.
Chaka
Footballguy
Being the #1 option, which is not certain, doesn't necessarily translate to getting more opportunities.
Even if you remove Fuller's 16 target game (the role Still presumably steps into) he is averaging as many targets/game as Davis. But the 16 target game did happen so...
Davis may get 8 targets, which would be his season high, but Stills should probably expect that many as well. I'll take Watson targets over Tannehill targets.
