Kevin Jones Has Pins Removed (1 Viewer)

[Chunky Soup]

A lot of my opinions come from watching every Lions game. Stats are great and I used them to help form my opinions. But seeing how well he played can't always be shown in the numbers. You also have to look deeper into the numbers and find out WHY this happened or WHY that happened. Example is last seasons total rushing yards. He didn't have a lot of rushing attempts. Only twice did he carry more than 20 times. Part was Martz, part was the terrible run blocking, part was the Lions trailing in a lot of games and having to throw.

He has had some injury issues every year. that is a legit concern. But that does not take away from how well he played last year. If people want to overlook him because of the injuries, thats fine. But to sit and say he sucks, or he is overrated, or he doesn't run inside, or is a poor receiver, well, those things are simply not true.

I post stats because they are facts in this arguement and not opinion. I liked Kevin Jones at Virginia Tech, I felt that him and Lee Suggs would both succeed. However, I haven't seen the same player once he came into the league.You post that he wasn't good in 2005 because the whole team wasn't good.

or

In 2006, he had 61 receptions

....that is the only thing you keep coming back to, as far as a stat. You say that his rushing totals were low because of back blocking and being behind in games.

Don't you think if he was a great RB, that HE would be the reason they should be ahead in games early? or be able to overcome the bad blocking?

His yards per carry reflect him as a RB, regardless of not having 20+ carry games.

You also have not answered my earlier question that if the receptions were designed routes, why was his long reception of 2006 lower than either of his previous two seasons(2005 and 2004)?

amen . . .

You don't know much about football if you say this. Football is a TEAM game; RBs don't run well without good blocking. It's that simple. Put LJ behind the 2005 or 2006 Lions OL and he wouldn't be a top 10 fantasy pick I guarantee you that. In fact, we saw a signficant decline in LJ's YPC last year with the loss to his OL: he went from 5.2 to 4.3 in 2006. Does that mean he is on a downward cycle now? Please. You can't use statistics in such a simple minded way.

a) I put that in bold in response to the fact that 327 insists that KJ is a top 10 caliber back but he lists excuse after excuse . . . I know football is a TEAM game, that is obvious . . . and bringing up LJ is a bad example, at least HE averaged over 4 ypc , Jones didn't the last TWO years . . .b) a great RB should perform well or at least decently regardless of circumstances . . . Jones doesn't fit the bill . . .

In your opinion anyways..Detroits line was probably in a 3 way tie for the worst in NFL with OAK and HOU..only an ______(insert random profane insult) would compare KC's line with any of these 3..

KC's line is now rated well below average with all the recent losses . . .

They're still heads and shoulders above these 3..and from what I was reading we were comparing 06 stats when shields was there..this year may be worse but not DET/HOU/OAK caliber..also many of those 3 and 1, 4 and 1 situations will most likely be handled by Duckett. Him and CJ2 will ensure more offensive plays meaning more opportunities for KJones to be on the field. All I can say is I cant wait to revisit this thread once the season gets going..

see you then . . .

Dude, you should just get a new alias right now.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

The thing that seems to be prevalent is people are taking his injury issues and using them to try to say he didn't perform well when he did play. I seriously wonder how many of the people saying the negative things about KJ's actual performance even saw him play last year. I stated every possible opinion I could, and used stats and seeing him to base my views on. I stand by everything I posted. those are MY opinions.As someone said above, I am also done I respect all opinions given, whether I agree with them or not.

Why do you continue to avoid my posts or actually answer what I am asking?

 

[rascal]

When KJ is healthy he is IMO a top 15 back. Problems is staying healthy for him. I expect his ADP to fluctuate dramatically this off season, and those with late draft dates will benefit the most. If he is practicing and reportedly 100% before pre-season I think you have to assume he will be the starter at the beginning of the year. If not, then I think it is safe to assume that he will not the full starter 1-2 games.

Personally I think he will be fine for the pre-season, but I do expect him to play only 13-14 games. During those games I expect him to be a top 15 back, especially so in leagues that reward PPR. At his current ADP of RB31 he is a steal, now when that falls to RB20 when most drafts start occurring, I no longer think he will be in the steal category.

I expect:

200 carries, 800 rushing yards, 5 TD's

50 receptions, 350 receiving yards, 1 TD

This is assuming he will only play 13-14 games.

Which for my rankings is good enough to put him in the low 20's.

 

[lions327]

The thing that seems to be prevalent is people are taking his injury issues and using them to try to say he didn't perform well when he did play. I seriously wonder how many of the people saying the negative things about KJ's actual performance even saw him play last year. I stated every possible opinion I could, and used stats and seeing him to base my views on. I stand by everything I posted. those are MY opinions.As someone said above, I am also done I respect all opinions given, whether I agree with them or not.

Why do you continue to avoid my posts or actually answer what I am asking?

Go back and read my answers...and if I missed one, feel free to ask again. In post #64, I went into detail on the stats you showed. I went back and read your questions and I don't see any that were not answered.

 

[purestrength]

When KJ is healthy he is IMO a top 15 back. Problems is staying healthy for him. I expect his ADP to fluctuate dramatically this off season, and those with late draft dates will benefit the most. If he is practicing and reportedly 100% before pre-season I think you have to assume he will be the starter at the beginning of the year. If not, then I think it is safe to assume that he will not the full starter 1-2 games.Personally I think he will be fine for the pre-season, but I do expect him to play only 13-14 games. During those games I expect him to be a top 15 back, especially so in leagues that reward PPR. At his current ADP of RB31 he is a steal, now when that falls to RB20 when most drafts start occurring, I no longer think he will be in the steal category.I expect:200 carries, 800 rushing yards, 5 TD's50 receptions, 350 receiving yards, 1 TDThis is assuming he will only play 13-14 games.Which for my rankings is good enough to put him in the low 20's.

I hope you're right.I just took KJ as RB35 (6.10) in a 12-team PPR WCOFF satellite draft and I'm already having my doubts about him being healthy enough to justify my decision.

 

[fsufan]

i was listening to AM Gameday on ESPN radio and one of the host said he is hearing from Loins camp that KJ might not be able to go in 07. Just passing along what i heard.

 

[ThePittbully]

I also heard a report on the radio saying its still very possible Jones will be game ready by the beginning of the regular season

 

[turkishkamel]

I also heard a report on the radio saying its still very possible Jones will be game ready by the beginning of the regular season

anybody saying anything about KJ at this point is just talking out their @#%. he's on schedule to this point and thats all we know. now that the pins are out the tough part begins. he's gotta start running full speed in a straight line. then he's gotta be able to run and cut. there is no way to know anything definitive at this point. we really wont know anything on his real progress until camp nears. its simply wait and see with jones at this point.

 

[LHUCKS]

I also heard a report on the radio saying its still very possible Jones will be game ready by the beginning of the regular season

anybody saying anything about KJ at this point is just talking out their @#%. he's on schedule to this point and thats all we know. now that the pins are out the tough part begins. he's gotta start running full speed in a straight line. then he's gotta be able to run and cut. there is no way to know anything definitive at this point. we really wont know anything on his real progress until camp nears. its simply wait and see with jones at this point.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Jon Kitna-QB-Lions Jul. 1 - 10:04 am et

After predicting the Lions would win ten games in 2007, quarterback Jon Kitna has announced that his other goal is to throw 50 passing TDs.

"The thing I think is holding back our organization is expectations," Kitna said, admitting he was half-joking about the TD goal. "Our expectation level has to come up." He also mentioned that Kevin Jones looked good at minicamps.

Source: Detroit Free Press

Related: Kevin Jones

 

[Lash]

The only thing he (Bell) has better than KJ is more speed

i thought KJ's times were off the charts?isn't he faster than Bell?someone lemme know, i'm working on whether i should be trading for Bell as a handcuff

 

[Rushmore]

The only thing he (Bell) has better than KJ is more speed

i thought KJ's times were off the charts?isn't he faster than Bell?someone lemme know, i'm working on whether i should be trading for Bell as a handcuff

No, they weren't off the charts. If anything, they were a bit under expectations.