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[gethugefast1]

Kevin Smith - RB - Lions

Beat writer Anwar Richardson believes Kevin Smith will be released if Jahvid Best (concussions) gets cleared.

Smith is a healthy scratch in Week 6. Per Richardson, the coaches "believe he didn't hit the hole hard enough, and lacked a burst of speed" during his short-lived stint as the starter this season. Smith is now clearly behind Mikel Leshoure, Joique Bell and Keiland Williams on the depth chart.

Source: MLive.com Oct 14 - 12:21 PM

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2012/10/detroit_lions_ask_anwar_questi_2.html#incart_river

 

[djmich]

Kevin Smith - RB - LionsBeat writer Anwar Richardson believes Kevin Smith will be released if Jahvid Best (concussions) gets cleared.Source: MLive.com Oct 14 - 12:21 PMhttp://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2012/10/detroit_lions_ask_anwar_questi_2.html#incart_river

Good god the Packers would love this.

 

[Boone22]

Kevin Smith - RB - LionsBeat writer Anwar Richardson believes Kevin Smith will be released if Jahvid Best (concussions) gets cleared.Source: MLive.com Oct 14 - 12:21 PMhttp://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2012/10/detroit_lions_ask_anwar_questi_2.html#incart_river

As the Smith owner I would love this!!!

 

[SameSongNDance]

Beat writer Anwar Richardson believes Kevin Smith will be released if Jahvid Best (concussions) gets cleared.

Smith is a healthy scratch in Week 6. Per Richardson, the coaches "believe he didn't hit the hole hard enough, and lacked a burst of speed" during his short-lived stint as the starter this season. Smith is now clearly behind Mikel Leshoure, Joique Bell and Keiland Williams on the depth chart.

I think he may be rosterable now. I really have zero room though.

 

[Sea Duck]

There are two absurd notions about this: one, that a player could actually switch teams in mid-season and be productive (it's extremely rare in the NFL); and two, that Kevin Smith could be one of those players.

It's not happening.

 

[Run It Up]

There are two absurd notions about this: one, that a player could actually switch teams in mid-season and be productive (it's extremely rare in the NFL); and two, that Kevin Smith could be one of those players.

It's not happening.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Kevin Smith - RB - LionsBeat writer Anwar Richardson believes Kevin Smith will be released if Jahvid Best (concussions) gets cleared.Source: MLive.com Oct 14 - 12:21 PMhttp://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2012/10/detroit_lions_ask_anwar_questi_2.html#incart_river

As the Smith owner I would love this!!!

Me too, I have to say.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Inactive today fwiw

 

[Boone22]

There are two absurd notions about this: one, that a player could actually switch teams in mid-season and be productive (it's extremely rare in the NFL); and two, that Kevin Smith could be one of those players.

It's not happening.

You mean like when Kevin Smith came off his couch in Nov of last year and was productive for the Lions? And that was without any training camp or practice up until that point.

 

[SCT]

This guy must really suck in practice on a daily basis because his game performances have not been so bad that he should be cut.

 

[Sea Duck]

There are two absurd notions about this: one, that a player could actually switch teams in mid-season and be productive (it's extremely rare in the NFL); and two, that Kevin Smith could be one of those players.

It's not happening.

You mean like when Kevin Smith came off his couch in Nov of last year and was productive for the Lions? And that was without any training camp or practice up until that point.

No. Go back and re-read the part about switching teams. Smith was able to be productive last year because he was already familiar with Detroit's system. But if he switches teams mid-season, it would take him several weeks to learn the new playbook and acclimate to the system. And who knows if his skillset would even be a good fit for whatever team he ended up with?? Lots of players have been great under one system and then mediocre under a different system.You can make all the pseudoscience arguments that you want, but the bottom line is this: IT RARELY HAPPENS.

Go ahead and give me a list of all the players who: A) switched teams mid-season, and B) were actually productive after the switch. Go ahead. Show me that list. I'm waiting.

 

[Nugget]

I was completely wrong on Kevin Smith this season. I don't quite understand it as he was productive week 1 and OK week 2 against the 49ers defense. I've never seen a quick, non injury drop off.

I may suppport the decision if the Lions were 3-1 instead of 1-3, but I still don't get it.

 

[backpedal]

Well, for this one I'm going with the theory that 32 NFL teams know better than me.

This is almost always a terrible argument and I hate when I see posters fall back on this. NFL coaches and GMs make horrific decisions all of the time, often times in extremely obvious "looks bad on paper" ways. Relying upon the judgment of NFL coaches and GMs for player assessment is just not a good strategy unless you, yourself, have a history of terrible judgment. Don't do that. Think for yourself, come up with your own opinions based on the information that is available to you. Often times, the GMs and coaches don't have much more information than we do and make poor decisions anyways.None of that means that Kevin Smith is going to get his starting job back on the Lions, but you shouldn't write him off because some GMs passed on him. Further, if Bayhawks is correct, he didn't test the free agent market, anyways. Those GMs may not have even had a chance to pass on him.

This post was in response to a guy saying he is feature back material and a good stash as a lotto ticket. Which he is not. I stand by my statement that 32 NFL teams can look at a 5 year vet and determine that. So he is not a lottery ticket. What you can know better than 32 NFL teams is if a guy will have some relevance to your fantasy team like you said. Which is completely different than stashing this guy as a lottery ticket hoping he becomes a feature back. Like I said above I absolutely would plug this guy in given injuries to Leshore and Best. But when those guys are healthy Smith is back off my team.

Priest Holmes says hi.Priest Holmes says hi.

 

[FF Ninja]

There are two absurd notions about this: one, that a player could actually switch teams in mid-season and be productive (it's extremely rare in the NFL); and two, that Kevin Smith could be one of those players.

It's not happening.

You mean like when Kevin Smith came off his couch in Nov of last year and was productive for the Lions? And that was without any training camp or practice up until that point.

No. Go back and re-read the part about switching teams. Smith was able to be productive last year because he was already familiar with Detroit's system. But if he switches teams mid-season, it would take him several weeks to learn the new playbook and acclimate to the system. And who knows if his skillset would even be a good fit for whatever team he ended up with?? Lots of players have been great under one system and then mediocre under a different system.You can make all the pseudoscience arguments that you want, but the bottom line is this: IT RARELY HAPPENS.

Go ahead and give me a list of all the players who: A) switched teams mid-season, and B) were actually productive after the switch. Go ahead. Show me that list. I'm waiting.

This was not the same Lions team that Smith played for prior to 2011. I'm pretty sure it was an all new offense, so he might as well have been playing on a different team. Just because he knew where to park at the facility doesn't mean he knew the playbook.I think Lynch was not shabby in 2010 when he switched team. Averaged about 60 yards and half a TD per game. 9 ppg in non-PPR. Almost 11 ppg in PPR. Seattle was a bad team that year, too. Blount wasn't a mid-season move, but he got cut in training camp by Tennessee and he was productive very quickly for the Bucs. Chris Ogbannaya went from the Texans to the Browns last year and actually averaged 4.6 ypc in that craphole. Wasn't Samkon Gado a guy claimed off a practice squad to play for the Packers one year?

Smith seems like a well-rounded RB who is pretty driven. Now that the Lions have (or should I say potentially) given him a chip on his shoulder, I think he could easily be productive IF a team wants/needs to give him feature touches.

 

[Sea Duck]

There are two absurd notions about this: one, that a player could actually switch teams in mid-season and be productive (it's extremely rare in the NFL); and two, that Kevin Smith could be one of those players.

It's not happening.

You mean like when Kevin Smith came off his couch in Nov of last year and was productive for the Lions? And that was without any training camp or practice up until that point.

No. Go back and re-read the part about switching teams. Smith was able to be productive last year because he was already familiar with Detroit's system. But if he switches teams mid-season, it would take him several weeks to learn the new playbook and acclimate to the system. And who knows if his skillset would even be a good fit for whatever team he ended up with?? Lots of players have been great under one system and then mediocre under a different system.You can make all the pseudoscience arguments that you want, but the bottom line is this: IT RARELY HAPPENS.

Go ahead and give me a list of all the players who: A) switched teams mid-season, and B) were actually productive after the switch. Go ahead. Show me that list. I'm waiting.

This was not the same Lions team that Smith played for prior to 2011. I'm pretty sure it was an all new offense, so he might as well have been playing on a different team. Just because he knew where to park at the facility doesn't mean he knew the playbook.I think Lynch was not shabby in 2010 when he switched team. Averaged about 60 yards and half a TD per game. 9 ppg in non-PPR. Almost 11 ppg in PPR. Seattle was a bad team that year, too. Blount wasn't a mid-season move, but he got cut in training camp by Tennessee and he was productive very quickly for the Bucs. Chris Ogbannaya went from the Texans to the Browns last year and actually averaged 4.6 ypc in that craphole. Wasn't Samkon Gado a guy claimed off a practice squad to play for the Packers one year?

Lynch is a decent example (although you were a bit off with your stats -- he averaged 7.4 fantasy points per game in non-PPR, and 9.2 ppg in PPR).But I'm not seeing too many other success stories here. Samkon Gado had been on Green Bay's practice squad before he was promoted to the starting lineup. Ogbonnaya was decent as a backup but he wasn't fantasy relevant.

 

[tdhartis]

I think this would be more aptly named, "Kevin Smith Scratch-Off."

 

[Cookiemonster]

I think he'd be better than anybody the Steelers have been trotting out. Hope he is cut.

 

[Run It Up]

I think he'd be better than anybody the Steelers have been trotting out. Hope he is cut.

Wouldn't count on it now, looks like Best isn't gonna be cleared this season, they will hold on to Smith for depth at his cheap price tag.

 

[bbuster]

The K.Smith hate in unfounded. He looked good before getting shafted and IMO should be playing somewhere for someone this year.

I agree. Busted his ### for the Lions and now hardly sees a snap.

Rush Rece Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G YScm RRTD Fmb AV2008 22 DET RB 34 16 12 238 976 8 50 4.1 61.0 14.9 39 286 7.3 0 27 2.4 17.9 1262 8 2 82009 23 DET RB 34 13 13 217 747 4 31 3.4 57.5 16.7 41 415 10.1 1 63 3.2 31.9 1162 5 3 52010 24 DET 34 6 0 34 133 0 15 3.9 22.2 5.7 11 123 11.2 0 27 1.8 20.5 256 0 0 22011 25 DET rb 30 7 4 72 356 4 43 4.9 50.9 10.3 22 179 8.1 3 28 3.1 25.6 535 7 1 42012 26 DET RB 30 4 2 29 115 1 19 4.0 28.8 7.3 6 46 7.7 1 12 1.5 11.5 161 2 0 Career 46 31 590 2327 17 50 3.9 50.6 12.8 119 1049 8.8 5 63 2.6 22.8 3376 22 6 19Is that what they call that? The only reason he has had a job the past few years is because his replacements have been injured, he knows the system and he is cheap (700k 1 year deal).

These stats seem to only prove that those who are confused as to why the Lions have completely disrespected/abandoned Smith this season. He goes from starting this season and averaging 4ypc to not getting ANY carries. 3 of those years he averaged under 4ypc, but 2 of them were 3.9. Even in the off year of 3.4ypc, he added 41 receptions. If LeShoure came in an tore it up, I might understand, but he's averaging 3.6 ypc.What am I missing here?

 

[Run It Up]

The K.Smith hate in unfounded. He looked good before getting shafted and IMO should be playing somewhere for someone this year.

I agree. Busted his ### for the Lions and now hardly sees a snap.

Rush Rece Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G YScm RRTD Fmb AV2008 22 DET RB 34 16 12 238 976 8 50 4.1 61.0 14.9 39 286 7.3 0 27 2.4 17.9 1262 8 2 82009 23 DET RB 34 13 13 217 747 4 31 3.4 57.5 16.7 41 415 10.1 1 63 3.2 31.9 1162 5 3 52010 24 DET 34 6 0 34 133 0 15 3.9 22.2 5.7 11 123 11.2 0 27 1.8 20.5 256 0 0 22011 25 DET rb 30 7 4 72 356 4 43 4.9 50.9 10.3 22 179 8.1 3 28 3.1 25.6 535 7 1 42012 26 DET RB 30 4 2 29 115 1 19 4.0 28.8 7.3 6 46 7.7 1 12 1.5 11.5 161 2 0 Career 46 31 590 2327 17 50 3.9 50.6 12.8 119 1049 8.8 5 63 2.6 22.8 3376 22 6 19Is that what they call that? The only reason he has had a job the past few years is because his replacements have been injured, he knows the system and he is cheap (700k 1 year deal).

These stats seem to only prove that those who are confused as to why the Lions have completely disrespected/abandoned Smith this season. He goes from starting this season and averaging 4ypc to not getting ANY carries. 3 of those years he averaged under 4ypc, but 2 of them were 3.9. Even in the off year of 3.4ypc, he added 41 receptions. If LeShoure came in an tore it up, I might understand, but he's averaging 3.6 ypc.What am I missing here?

That its only been 3 weeks and that they are gonna use Leshoure for the rest of the season regardless because they drafted him. That and they know entirely what Smith is capable of (not much).

 

[FF Ninja]

Lynch is a decent example (although you were a bit off with your stats -- he averaged 7.4 fantasy points per game in non-PPR, and 9.2 ppg in PPR).But I'm not seeing too many other success stories here. Samkon Gado had been on Green Bay's practice squad before he was promoted to the starting lineup. Ogbonnaya was decent as a backup but he wasn't fantasy relevant.

Is yahoo lying to me? I'm seeing 573 rushing yards, 6 TDs, 21 rec, 138 yards. Add that up and divide by 12 and you get 8.925 pts in SS. Not sure where you are getting 7.4 from.But bottom line is that you aren't seeing any success stories because there haven't been many opportunities for there to be a success story. Kevin Smith could easily have been one, but it looks like Best isn't cleared to play so we'll probably never know how this could have panned out.

 

[jon_mx]

This is like buying a $1 lotto ticket where the top prize is $1.

 

[SameSongNDance]

This is like buying a $1 lotto ticket where the top prize is $1.

13/62/1 and 4 receptions for 29 yards and another TD equates to a $1 prize? Your standards are too high.

 

[Interseptopus]

IMO in deep leagues the patient Kevin Smith owner will be rewarded at some point this season with some kind of production. Starter worthy? Maybe not, but perhaps if the matchup is right.

People forget, Cedric Benson switched teams very late in training camp. He knew none of the plays, but still did fairly well. Yes, it took him abou 3-4 weeks to learn the offense well and hit his stride, but if Smith were released week 8 or 9, someone might grab him (green bay, Pittsburgh) and he could be a decent flex play weeks 12-17

 

[tdhartis]

What leads people to believe if released he would be signed and eventually getting significant carries elsewhere? He was signed off the street last year by Detroit when anyone could have had him for pennies. Sure, Mendenhall and his comrades haven't been impressive this year, but do you think Smith is above the talent level of Rashard and could do any better at this point in his career? Alex Green has only had 1.5 games to truly show his ability, and I came away satisifed if not impressed. Same thing, could he do any better, and why would they care to take the gamble? GB won a SB using Starks and Kuhn. I don't think they would be interested. Plus, with Best likely done for the season if not his career, I don't think they would release him given how little they are paying for his services. I just don't see it.

 

[Shutout]

What leads people to believe if released he would be signed and eventually getting significant carries elsewhere? He was signed off the street last year by Detroit when anyone could have had him for pennies. Sure, Mendenhall and his comrades haven't been impressive this year, but do you think Smith is above the talent level of Rashard and could do any better at this point in his career? Alex Green has only had 1.5 games to truly show his ability, and I came away satisifed if not impressed. Same thing, could he do any better, and why would they care to take the gamble? GB won a SB using Starks and Kuhn. I don't think they would be interested. Plus, with Best likely done for the season if not his career, I don't think they would release him given how little they are paying for his services. I just don't see it.

I think people are looking around at all the teams that appear on the surface to need a RB. It seems thinner this year (I don't know if that is actually true or not, maybe seems that way to me because I ahve been hit with injuries at RB). So maybe people are connecting dots and trying to find their players on to teams.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Lions waived FB Keiland Williams.

Williams had been activated ahead of a healthy Kevin Smith in Week 6, so this is a sign that the staff still has a sliver of faith in Smith. Regardless, a roster spot was needed for secondary help as Bill Bentley (shoulder) and Jacob Lacey (concussion) are both in doubt for Week 7.

The plot thickens.

 

[SlevinKelevra]

IMO in deep leagues the patient Kevin Smith owner will be rewarded at some point this season with some kind of production.

Yeah, they will be rewarded in week 17 when they already out in any league

 

[Nucker101]

Lions waived FB Keiland Williams.

Williams had been activated ahead of a healthy Kevin Smith in Week 6, so this is a sign that the staff still has a sliver of faith in Smith. Regardless, a roster spot was needed for secondary help as Bill Bentley (shoulder) and Jacob Lacey (concussion) are both in doubt for Week 7.

The plot thickens.

Williams should be able to land a 3rd string job somewhere, he's a pretty decent back. I guess this move means that Smith will remain on the roster unless traded.