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Kevin Walter WR, Hou, Texans (1 Viewer)

prymetyme25

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After watching the whole season i noticed the Texans use Walters in a variety of ways(slot, wide and even at Fb/H-back).

From those games he seems to have great hands and huge amount of toughness. It was his first year in the offense and he is still pretty young. So I ask is this all he is or could he become more?

At 6' 2" 214 seems to be a pretty good size target. And with the emergence of Andre and Moulds age could this guy become a viable option? Thats assuming of course we get a Qb who can read the field.

It took Easy Ed a while to develop to so just throwing something out there.

Possible sleeper?

 
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I think he's a possible sleeper...very interested to see what he can do at the combine...one of the few players where I would put a lot of emphasis on his combine numbers.

 
LHUCKS said:
prymetyme25 said:
LHUCKS said:
I think he's a possible sleeper...very interested to see what he can do at the combine...one of the few players where I would put a lot of emphasis on his combine numbers.
:shrug: He plays for the Texans
Sorry was thinking of somebody else :lmao:
Kevin Walters has that effect on people ...
 
The Texans made cap space right before free agency by releasing OT Zach Wiegert, DT Seth Payne and WR Eric Moulds. The Texans will turn to a number of their current players to step up in their absences. Young up-and-comer Kevin Walter will move into Moulds' position, starting opposite of Moulds. Walter rarely had opportunities to catch the ball last season, and will be more of a factor in the offense. He has great hands, good speed down the field and the ability to make defenders miss and make big plays

I think you guys better keep an eye on this guy!! :headbang:

 
Sporting News, says:

The Texans made cap space right before free agency by releasing OT Zach Wiegert, DT Seth Payne and WR Eric Moulds. The Texans will turn to a number of their current players to step up in their absences. Young up-and-comer Kevin Walter will move into Moulds' position, starting opposite of Moulds. Walter rarely had opportunities to catch the ball last season, and will be more of a factor in the offense. He has great hands, good speed down the field and the ability to make defenders miss and make big plays.
The guy meant 'starting opposite of Johnson.'
 
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Also, for those interested:

He's 25 years old, 6'3 and 214 lbs

Drafted by Cincy in the 7th round of 2003

Went to Houston in free agency last year

 
I thought he might be a sneaky add when they signed him away from Cincinnati a year ago. Maybe I was a year off? He seems to have always performed well when given the chance.

 
This kid was outstanding at whatever the Bengals asked him to do. Unfortunately, he was behind a big logjam at that position.

 
Are we talking about the same Kevin Walter that has less than 50 receptions in his career, 1 TD in four season and who averages less than 10 yards per catch.

Man, where can I sign up?

At the very best, he'll get like 35-40 receptions, 400 yards and 2 TD's. WR7 type numbers.

 
Are we talking about the same Kevin Walter that has less than 50 receptions in his career, 1 TD in four season and who averages less than 10 yards per catch. Man, where can I sign up?At the very best, he'll get like 35-40 receptions, 400 yards and 2 TD's. WR7 type numbers.
Don't worry. He will flourish in the high-powered Texas scheme.
 
I have no huge man love for Walter, but strange things happen in football. Joe Horn did nothing for three years in KC (he made some noise in year four) and was a Top 10 WR for four years in NO. Michael Furrey was a defensive back one year and almost led the league in receptions the next. Fantasywise, the investment on Walter is as close to nothing as you can get. If you draft him uber late and he doesn't pan out then release him and pick someone else off of the waiver wire. We're not talking a third rounder fantasy wise. We're talking 20th rounder.

 
I have no huge man love for Walter, but strange things happen in football. Joe Horn did nothing for three years in KC (he made some noise in year four) and was a Top 10 WR for four years in NO. Michael Furrey was a defensive back one year and almost led the league in receptions the next. Fantasywise, the investment on Walter is as close to nothing as you can get. If you draft him uber late and he doesn't pan out then release him and pick someone else off of the waiver wire. We're not talking a third rounder fantasy wise. We're talking 20th rounder.
:penalty: It's all about value.
 
I have no huge man love for Walter, but strange things happen in football. Joe Horn did nothing for three years in KC (he made some noise in year four) and was a Top 10 WR for four years in NO. Michael Furrey was a defensive back one year and almost led the league in receptions the next. Fantasywise, the investment on Walter is as close to nothing as you can get. If you draft him uber late and he doesn't pan out then release him and pick someone else off of the waiver wire. We're not talking a third rounder fantasy wise. We're talking 20th rounder.
:hey: It's all about value.
Exactly.The point is to know enough guys of value to draft 240 or more players (or about 1 round further than any draft you'll be in this year).

For that reason alone, the Pre Draft Survivor and Summer Survivor Leagues are a must draft for me (see the Mock Drafts R Us Forum for details).

Drafting in a 16 team league full of FBGs - it doesn't get much harder. Add in 18-20 rounds and you'll know 300+ players by the end of the draft and you'll almost never be surprised again all year (aside from maybe a rookie from "nowhere" like Colston, but we knew...).

 
May 29, 2007

What do Texans have in Walter?

Jerome Solomon, Houston Chronicle

Uh oh, Texans fans.

Two words/phrases that typically mean you're not that good: overachiever, go-getter. That is how teammates and coaches describe No. 2 receiver Kevin Walter.

Not to slam Walter - he is a battler and his teammates respect his practice work - but you have to question just how productive he will be and whether he brings enough to the table to keep defenses honest in defending Andre Johnson. This is one area I expected the Texans to do more in during the offseason.

I like an "overcoming odds" story as much as the next guy, but is this one of them? This seems like more of a "We don't have a better choice at this time" tale doesn't it?

Well, maybe not. Surely, somewhere - probably at about the same point in their careers - someone made that argument against two of my favorite NFL players - two guys I know quite well - who set examples for Walter to follow.

Walter was the 255th pick in 2003 - going in the seventh round to the Giants - only seven spots from being Mr. Irrelevant.

Keenan McCardell, a proud Waltrip Ram, was the 326th pick in 1991, going to Washington in the 12th round, just eight picks from Mr. Irrelevant. Troy Brown was the 198th pick in 1993, being claimed by New England with the second pick of the eighth and final round of that year's draft.

After four seasons in the league, Walter's best statistical year is 2005 with the Bengals, when he had 19 catches for 211 yards.

Four years into his career, Brown's best numbers were 21 grabs for 222 yards; McCardell's best season four years in was 13 receptions for 234 yards.

Thus far, only one TD for Walter, who has never started an NFL game. McCardell had four TD catches in his first four seasons (all in that 13-catch year), while Brown did not find the end zone in his first four years in the league.

Year 5: McCardell, after having been officially released five times, had 56 catches for 709 yards and four scores. Brown, a return man who had been cut a couple of times, was pulled from kick and punt return duties and made 41 catches for 607 yards and six TDs.

McCardell, a free agent who plans to play this season, has gone onto to be No. 8 on the NFL's career receptions list. Brown, also planning to play another season, is New England's all-time leading receiver and Mr. Patriots in my book.

You think this is going to be a breakout year for Walter? Will his career come close to McCardell's or Brown's?

LINK

 
From Sportingnews.com:

SCOUTING REPORT: Kevin Walter is the Texans' No. 2 wide receiver until someone steals it from him. He's made it clear he won't give it up without a fight though. Walter was one of the most impressive players after two weeks of OTAs. He knew the offense, ran his routes well and caught what was thrown at him. He seemed comfortable and confident. He still lacks experience and hasn't proven to be a big-play threat in games - mostly because he hasn't been given the opportunity. Also on Walter's side is the fact that he's a tenacious blocker - something Kubiak demands from his receivers.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/teams/texans/index.html

 
good call guy :thumbup:
Did you win any Leagues because of Him? If yes, great call. :thumbup:
Not everone plays in 10-team redraft leagues. Some of us play in 16-team Survivor leagues with 25 players on a team (and no roster moves). I had Walter on several teams and picked him up in some leagues after 100 WR were already drafted. We wound up as the #31. Sounds like a worthwhile investment to me. I also had him in a dynasty league and again was a cheap investment for several big scoring weeks.
 
good call guy :thumbup:
Did you win any Leagues because of Him? If yes, great call. :thumbup:
Not everone plays in 10-team redraft leagues. Some of us play in 16-team Survivor leagues with 25 players on a team (and no roster moves). I had Walter on several teams and picked him up in some leagues after 100 WR were already drafted. We wound up as the #31. Sounds like a worthwhile investment to me. I also had him in a dynasty league and again was a cheap investment for several big scoring weeks.
I play in a league of 8 dynasty, he's on the ww. Was for all but 2 weeks.I guess in bigger Leagues He did help some win there Leagues.So again Great call if He won you your League.Did He?
 
good call guy :thumbup:
Did you win any Leagues because of Him? If yes, great call. :thumbup:
Not everone plays in 10-team redraft leagues. Some of us play in 16-team Survivor leagues with 25 players on a team (and no roster moves). I had Walter on several teams and picked him up in some leagues after 100 WR were already drafted. We wound up as the #31. Sounds like a worthwhile investment to me. I also had him in a dynasty league and again was a cheap investment for several big scoring weeks.
I play in a league of 8 dynasty, he's on the ww. Was for all but 2 weeks.I guess in bigger Leagues He did help some win there Leagues.So again Great call if He won you your League.Did He?
nope but i play in dynasty so he went from a value of 0 to about the value of a borderline 3rd rookie pick.
 
good call guy :thumbup:
Did you win any Leagues because of Him? If yes, great call. :thumbup:
Not everone plays in 10-team redraft leagues. Some of us play in 16-team Survivor leagues with 25 players on a team (and no roster moves). I had Walter on several teams and picked him up in some leagues after 100 WR were already drafted. We wound up as the #31. Sounds like a worthwhile investment to me. I also had him in a dynasty league and again was a cheap investment for several big scoring weeks.
I play in a league of 8 dynasty, he's on the ww. Was for all but 2 weeks.I guess in bigger Leagues He did help some win there Leagues.So again Great call if He won you your League.Did He?
Walter was on teams that won titles for me last year. Did he win my league for me by himself, of course not. But stringing together several guys that do better than expected can be as big a factor as lucking out with a mega season from Tom Brady.
 
good call guy :thumbup:
Did you win any Leagues because of Him? If yes, great call. :thumbup:
Not everone plays in 10-team redraft leagues. Some of us play in 16-team Survivor leagues with 25 players on a team (and no roster moves). I had Walter on several teams and picked him up in some leagues after 100 WR were already drafted. We wound up as the #31. Sounds like a worthwhile investment to me. I also had him in a dynasty league and again was a cheap investment for several big scoring weeks.
I play in a league of 8 dynasty, he's on the ww. Was for all but 2 weeks.I guess in bigger Leagues He did help some win there Leagues.So again Great call if He won you your League.Did He?
nope but i play in dynasty so he went from a value of 0 to about the value of a borderline 3rd rookie pick.
Too bad, at least you helped David Yudkin win His League. :thumbup: Any other WR's you like?
 
good call guy :thumbup:
Did you win any Leagues because of Him? If yes, great call. :thumbup:
Not everone plays in 10-team redraft leagues. Some of us play in 16-team Survivor leagues with 25 players on a team (and no roster moves). I had Walter on several teams and picked him up in some leagues after 100 WR were already drafted. We wound up as the #31. Sounds like a worthwhile investment to me. I also had him in a dynasty league and again was a cheap investment for several big scoring weeks.
I play in a league of 8 dynasty, he's on the ww. Was for all but 2 weeks.I guess in bigger Leagues He did help some win there Leagues.So again Great call if He won you your League.Did He?
nope but i play in dynasty so he went from a value of 0 to about the value of a borderline 3rd rookie pick.
Too bad, at least you helped David Yudkin win His League. :thumbup: Any other WR's you like?
The guy i'm watching this offseason is Anthony Mix. If washington doesnt bring in a BIG wr this guy could make a little hay in the offseason. Other than the the wr i really want to target this offseason is not on a roster yet. And I cant give out that info untill after our rookie drafts.
 
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good call guy :P
Did you win any Leagues because of Him? If yes, great call. :thumbup:
Not everone plays in 10-team redraft leagues. Some of us play in 16-team Survivor leagues with 25 players on a team (and no roster moves). I had Walter on several teams and picked him up in some leagues after 100 WR were already drafted. We wound up as the #31. Sounds like a worthwhile investment to me. I also had him in a dynasty league and again was a cheap investment for several big scoring weeks.
I play in a league of 8 dynasty, he's on the ww. Was for all but 2 weeks.I guess in bigger Leagues He did help some win there Leagues.So again Great call if He won you your League.Did He?
nope but i play in dynasty so he went from a value of 0 to about the value of a borderline 3rd rookie pick.
Too bad, at least you helped David Yudkin win His League. :thumbup: Any other WR's you like?
The guy i'm watching this offseason is Anthony Mix. If washington doesnt bring in a BIG wr this guy could make a little hay in the offseason.
25 guys just picked Him up. :excited: Thanks. Good looking out. :thumbup:
 
Hasn't been a post on this thread since March. Figured I'd get it going again and see what others are feeling about Walter this season. Sleeper?

 
Hasn't been a post on this thread since March. Figured I'd get it going again and see what others are feeling about Walter this season. Sleeper?
I Like him in large fantasy leagues as a number three WR with upside if Johnson gets injured again.
 
Hasn't been a post on this thread since March. Figured I'd get it going again and see what others are feeling about Walter this season. Sleeper?
I think he's a great sleeper pick. He's clearly the texans' second best wr and AJ can't stay healthy.
 
FTRWRTR said:
xenon said:
Hasn't been a post on this thread since March. Figured I'd get it going again and see what others are feeling about Walter this season. Sleeper?
I think he's a great sleeper pick. He's clearly the texans' second best wr and AJ can't stay healthy.
Clearly-No he's not clearlyAndre Davis has come rarin' to go and I've read/heard some good things.

Here's but one article

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/5929232.html

 
Hasn't been a post on this thread since March. Figured I'd get it going again and see what others are feeling about Walter this season. Sleeper?
I think he's a great sleeper pick. He's clearly the texans' second best wr and AJ can't stay healthy.
Clearly-No he's not clearlyAndre Davis has come rarin' to go and I've read/heard some good things.

Here's but one article

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/5929232.html
Ok you can go with the 6'1, 195 lb wr who's never had more than 563 yards in his six years as a pro and I'll go with the 6'3 214 lb wr who was the team's second leading wr last year and we'll see which of us is right
 
Hasn't been a post on this thread since March. Figured I'd get it going again and see what others are feeling about Walter this season. Sleeper?
I think he's a great sleeper pick. He's clearly the texans' second best wr and AJ can't stay healthy.
Clearly-No he's not clearlyAndre Davis has come rarin' to go and I've read/heard some good things.

Here's but one article

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/5929232.html
Ok you can go with the 6'1, 195 lb wr who's never had more than 563 yards in his six years as a pro and I'll go with the 6'3 214 lb wr who was the team's second leading wr last year and we'll see which of us is right
just putting it out there is all
 
Hasn't been a post on this thread since March. Figured I'd get it going again and see what others are feeling about Walter this season. Sleeper?
I think he's a great sleeper pick. He's clearly the texans' second best wr and AJ can't stay healthy.
Clearly-No he's not clearlyAndre Davis has come rarin' to go and I've read/heard some good things.

Here's but one article

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/5929232.html
Ok you can go with the 6'1, 195 lb wr who's never had more than 563 yards in his six years as a pro and I'll go with the 6'3 214 lb wr who was the team's second leading wr last year and we'll see which of us is right
Might want to check out AD's gamelogs when AJ was out of the line up...here let me help...wk3 INDY 4/70

wk4 @ATL 5/117/TD

wk5 MIA...4/79

wk7 TEN...4/88/TD

wk9 @Oak 2/51/TD

He was avg over 17 yds a catch...I might add that Schaub likes the long ball so if AJ is out, I would not think that Walter is going to suddenly start running fly routes because that is not his specialty.

Walter had a 12.5 avg on 65/800/4 TD...not a lot of production when you consider that Houston passed for the 11th most yds in the NFL last season...I'm not seeing big upside there...

And you made a reference to what Davis has accomplished...look at some of what Walter has done.

2003: 3/18 for the entire year

2004: 8/67 for the entire year

Granted he was a rookie and then his 2nd year, but he showed nothing.

2005: 19/211/TD

2006: 17/160/0TDs

Again these are not the kind of numbers you think big upside with.

 
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Might want to check out AD's gamelogs when AJ was out of the line up...
Oh I'm confident(as much as anyone can be I guess) that Kubiak believes Andre Davis fills in if Andre Johnson gets hurt. That seems like a lock doesn't it? This spring and summer though, Davis has also learned the spot opposite Johnson. This highly talented prospect that got "taken down a peg or two" over the years is acting like "the light went on". I think it was an interview with McCain that woke me up to Davis this offseason. He said something along the lines of "They're going to have to find a way to get him in, he just looks that much better. "There's a handful of articles out there with him doing pretty well this offseason.This is what the Texans need. Maybe they backed into it with Davis, maybe they got lucky, but this is exactly what they need. He pushes Walters, Jacoby has to get it together to crack the lineup, good backup for Johnson (just in case) and to top it off a forgotten backup David Anderson is playing like "don't forget about me".If FTRWRWR believes it's smoke N mirrors by Kubiak...it could be. It seems to be working beautifully. Personally I don't. Ya gotta concede the point though MOP that this could be a very very smart camp move by Kubiak.
 
Kevin Walter is the number 2 with the Texans, I have only seen one article all summer that even hints at anything different and honestly I don't trust Manfull enough to put much into it. Andre Davis will play a ton in 3WR sets and filling in for either Walter or Johnson. Jacoby Jones apparently needs to stop partying off the field and stop always trying to make dynamic play on the field. He is being pushed more by David Anderson for the number 4 than he is making a move to get into the number 3 spot.

Fantasywise my guess is that Walter would be a safer pick. I would guess that he will return to around 65/800 range again this year. Depending on the requirements/depth of your league that may or may not have significant value to you.

Davis has big play potential if Johnson is out, but would be more hit or miss in terms of production.

 
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I think he's a great sleeper pick. He's clearly the texans' second best wr and AJ can't stay healthy.
He's the unquestioned #2 receiver opposite AJ, but I think it's debatable that he's the second-best receiver on the team. I would give the edge to Andre Davis because he has better speed and he's more of a deep threat than Walter. As for the claim that AJ can't stay healthy, he's no DJ Hackett. He's missed a total of ten games in five years, but seven of those were because of his knee injury last season. He's played all sixteen games in three seasons.
 
Davis has big play potential if Johnson is out, but would be more hit or miss in terms of production.
This basically sums up my point. No way the texans get rid of a proven #2 wr like walter for a guy with potential like davis
Proven what? That he mustered 12 yds a catch and 4 TD for the season? You make it sound like he's all world...he is easily one of the worst starting WR in the NFL. Name 10 WR out of the 64 that start according to Bob Henry's depth chart page, that are worse than Walter. 5 might be a stretch. Be honest about Walter and his abilities...he is maybe a Brian Finneran on a good day?He has 1 season of 60+ catches, and 4 seasons before of about 5-15 total for the year..and a lousy ypc avg. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but be honest. Walter is just holding the seat warm till the Texans figure something else out. He isn't a vital part of this offense, I'm sorry.
 
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Davis has big play potential if Johnson is out, but would be more hit or miss in terms of production.
This basically sums up my point. No way the texans get rid of a proven #2 wr like walter for a guy with potential like davis
Proven what? That he mustered 12 yds a catch and 4 TD for the season? You make it sound like he's all world...he is easily one of the worst starting WR in the NFL. Name 10 WR out of the 64 that start according to Bob Henry's depth chart page, that are worse than Walter. 5 might be a stretch. Be honest about Walter and his abilities...he is maybe a Brian Finneran on a good day?He has 1 season of 60+ catches, and 4 seasons before of about 5-15 total for the year..and a lousy ypc avg. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but be honest. Walter is just holding the seat warm till the Texans figure something else out. He isn't a vital part of this offense, I'm sorry.
Have you actually watched Kevin Walter? Your comments indicate you looking at stats and making that judgement. In the games, where Andre Johnson did not play, Walter was Houston's first option. he is closer to an 85 catch 1100 Bobby engram year, than Davis is to 65 1100 break out from nowhere. As a Texansfan I have an agenda in wanting both (assuming no Andre), I know which one I would put money on first. I wasn't buying the "Kevin Walter who could not beat out an aging Eric Moulds" as a legitmate NFL WR myself going into last season. Thought he was just a special teamer who can play WR in a pinch. He has won me over as a solid, not spectacular player. He is not a blazer, but does go deep on occassion, has good hands, and is a well above average blocker from that position. Finally, and most importantly, Kubiak and his staff think and treat him an NFL starter.
 
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Davis has big play potential if Johnson is out, but would be more hit or miss in terms of production.
This basically sums up my point. No way the texans get rid of a proven #2 wr like walter for a guy with potential like davis
Proven what? That he mustered 12 yds a catch and 4 TD for the season? You make it sound like he's all world...he is easily one of the worst starting WR in the NFL. Name 10 WR out of the 64 that start according to Bob Henry's depth chart page, that are worse than Walter. 5 might be a stretch. Be honest about Walter and his abilities...he is maybe a Brian Finneran on a good day?He has 1 season of 60+ catches, and 4 seasons before of about 5-15 total for the year..and a lousy ypc avg. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but be honest. Walter is just holding the seat warm till the Texans figure something else out. He isn't a vital part of this offense, I'm sorry.
You're overstating the case. He has one season of 60+ catches, and it just happens to be the one season he was an actual #2 receiver. Kevin Walter's play last year gave the Texans a huge improvement at the receiving position from the 2006 season when Eric Moulds was lined up opposite AJ. (Of course, not having Carr around was addition by subtraction). Walter isn't going to win your league, but he's nowhere near being one of the worst starting receivers in the NFL, nor is he a Brian Finneran (psst....he has a QB who can throw).To answer your challlenge, in no particular order:1.Mark Clayton2. Michael Jenkins3. Josh Reed4. Rashied Davis5. Sidney Rice6. David Patten7. Devard Darling, or whoever is #2 in KC8. Amani Toomer9. Justin McCareins10. Justin Gage11. Ike Hilliard12. Arnaz Battle/Darrell Jackson13. Derek Hagan14. Jerry Porter15. Muhsin MuhammadETA: If he's among the league worst because of his 12.31 ypc, where do you rate Marques Colston (12.27), Anquan Boldin (12.01), Laveraneus Coles (11.75), Steve Smith (11.52), Drew Bennett (11.36), Javon Walker (11.04), Derrick Mason (10.55), Wes Welker (10.49), and TJ Houshmandzadeh (10.21)?
 
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Have you actually watched Kevin Walter? Your comments indicate you looking at stats and making that judgement. In the games, where Andre Johnson did not play, Walter was Houston's first option. he is closer to an 85 catch 1100 Bobby engram year, than Davis is to 65 1100 break out from nowhere. As a Texansfan I have an agenda in wanting both (assuming no Andre), I know which one I would put money on first. I wasn't buying the "Kevin Walter who could not beat out an aging Eric Moulds" as a legitmate NFL WR myself going into last season. Thought he was just a special teamer who can play WR in a pinch. He has won me over as a solid, not spectacular player. He is not a blazer, but does go deep on occassion, has good hands, and is a well above average blocker from that position. Finally, and most importantly, Kubiak and his staff think and treat him an NFL starter.
No, he has not watched Walter play or he wouldn't say that.By the way, as a fellow Texans fan, I still have to give the edge to Davis. However, your point about his blocking ability is a good one. Walter's willingness to do whatever is asked of him and do it with maximum effort is a big reason he's still the #2 guy.
 
If he got to play against Jason David every week he'd be all-pro.

The Saints had Kenny Chesney practicing with them this week. I'm pretty sure he burned David too.

 

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