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Knowshon Moreno hurt in first practice session (1 Viewer)
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cobalt_27
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Yeah, I'm trying to figure out where those 3 wins come from. This is a terrible team.
Yes. But part of that is because of people like us. There is this insane race to be first with the information that reporters now run with things they wouldn't have considered going to print with 5 years ago. I was out of touch this morning and sent the Moreno update to our guys about 45 minutes later than some of our competition. I will get lots of "old news" replies back from people that wanted the info instantly.
It's cool that we've raised the bar but when we value speed above all else, it leads to some really sketchy reports.
That's not an excuse as you are responsible for what you write. More of an observation I've noticed lately.
J
Casting Couch
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The pupil will never come close to achieving Master status.
cr8f
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identikit
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The Denver Post is now describing Knowshon Moreno's right leg injury as a "popped" hamstring.
"Moreno no doubt popped his pretty good," writes the Post's Lindsay Jones. Jones points out that a "popped" leg muscle is better news than a torn knee ligament, but bum hamstrings can be very tricky to recover from. Stay tuned.
"Moreno no doubt popped his pretty good," writes the Post's Lindsay Jones. Jones points out that a "popped" leg muscle is better news than a torn knee ligament, but bum hamstrings can be very tricky to recover from. Stay tuned.
JohnnyU
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Reports: Knowshon Moreno's injury is serious
A league source tells the Denver Post that Knowshon Moreno's left leg injury "appears to be serious." ESPN's Adam Schefter seconds the report.
Vic Lombardi of CBS 4 Denver reported that Moreno might have torn his ACL, but his story seemed shaky, and Lombardi "re-tweeted" the Denver Post's report that it's a hamstring injury. The Post is confident that Moreno's injury is to his hamstring -- not his knee. Still, Moreno is going to be sidelined indefinitely. We'll be on the lookout for more updates throughout the day. Aug. 1 - 2:28 pm et
Source: Lindsay Jones on Twitter
A league source tells the Denver Post that Knowshon Moreno's left leg injury "appears to be serious." ESPN's Adam Schefter seconds the report.
Vic Lombardi of CBS 4 Denver reported that Moreno might have torn his ACL, but his story seemed shaky, and Lombardi "re-tweeted" the Denver Post's report that it's a hamstring injury. The Post is confident that Moreno's injury is to his hamstring -- not his knee. Still, Moreno is going to be sidelined indefinitely. We'll be on the lookout for more updates throughout the day. Aug. 1 - 2:28 pm et
Source: Lindsay Jones on Twitter
HellToupee
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Weiner Dog
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Lindsay Jones on Twitter:
NFL source to Mike Klis: Fear is a torn hamstring for Moreno.
NFL source to Mike Klis: Fear is a torn hamstring for Moreno.
BlitzPickup
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I'm hearing it could be a torn hamstring. Doesn't that require surgery? What is the recovery time for such an injury. I hope I'm hearing wrong....
BlitzPickup
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Maybe they did know... Hope not though.
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I'm not sure I'd like either of those guys. It could be Westy or maybe a trade for Lynch, Parmalee, Sutton...?
I don't either, but in 16 team deep roster dynasties, you gotta make moves here and there and get lucky sometimes
cobalt_27
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Absolutely agree. But, it makes you wonder where these guys get their information. Obviously, somebody doesn't have the first clue what he's writing about. And, this seems to happen a lot more frequently now for the reasons you outlined.
treat88
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Depends on which portion was torn and where the tear occurred.Could be a complete tear and not show up anatomically if it was to one of the smaller tendons or mid-muscle belly.The hamstrings are a relatively complex group of muscles so it's not always an easy diagnosis.
Alex P Keaton
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Any chance that they trade for someone like Marshawn Lynch?
bonesman
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Or Vinny Testiverde.
thanks for that breakdown. if the hammy tore from a smaller tendon or something, how long does it typically take to recover?
BlitzPickup
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RT @VicLombardi: A hammy tear could keep him out anywhere between 1-3 months. In extreme cases, could cost him the season.
Shutout
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Whew! If it is the hammy, in ANY shape, I like that better than an ACL.
Hammys are probablly the most common injuries in training camps as guys are getting back into shape and using those muscles in ways they haven't in a while, etc, etc.
From what I have observed over the years, the key with anything less than a true completely torn hamstring is how the medical staff treats it. It can't be rushed, yet the players need to be out there so they push and sometimes have setbacks. I think it was about 3 seasons ago that a rash of high profile WRs had this issue in camp. Hopefully the team will be smart and play it right.
I would guess that if its pretty significant, by the time you account for time lost and rest needed and all, this could be something that keeps Moreno out for the first week or two of the season but I definitely wouldn't expect him to miss the first 6 weeks or anything. And, of course, if it is THAT significant, we will know because the Broncos would likely put him on the pup.
Hammys are probablly the most common injuries in training camps as guys are getting back into shape and using those muscles in ways they haven't in a while, etc, etc.
From what I have observed over the years, the key with anything less than a true completely torn hamstring is how the medical staff treats it. It can't be rushed, yet the players need to be out there so they push and sometimes have setbacks. I think it was about 3 seasons ago that a rash of high profile WRs had this issue in camp. Hopefully the team will be smart and play it right.
I would guess that if its pretty significant, by the time you account for time lost and rest needed and all, this could be something that keeps Moreno out for the first week or two of the season but I definitely wouldn't expect him to miss the first 6 weeks or anything. And, of course, if it is THAT significant, we will know because the Broncos would likely put him on the pup.
treat88
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Again, it depends.Full avulsion that requires surgical intervention 6-8 weeks for basic healing followed by rehab back to playing shape.Any type of complete tear needing surgery would end up being a "most of the season" type situation.Non-surgical and/or partial tears and the 1 to 3 months time frame quoted above may be accurate.
Warhogs
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For anyone speculating on a time frame for this. Could you state what you are basing this on? Are you a physician, a trainer, did your sister pull her hamstring in track and field? I would like to know you have some sort of expertise before seeing your estimate of time missed.
Nothing to add but to say - Excellent thread - Guys. This is what the Shark Pool is supposed to be. 
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to you.J
Warhogs
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As a guy with Lynch on a couple of dynasty rosters I would like to see him traded but if I had a RB injury I think I would be looking to sign Westbrook as a free agent long before trading something for Lynch if I was filling a hole created by injury.
Doesn't seem to be the kind of guy McDaniels wants on his team. Anything is possible I guess but I wouldn't think McDaniels would want another troubled player after he's been cleaning house.
MrSoup
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Agreed.
crnerblitz
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Shefter on espn news said that Smith is the backup behind CBuck and Moreano.
BlitzPickup
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Maybe time to take a serious look at Toney Baker.
That's a fair point.To play the other side of that coin though - McDaniels is the disciple of a guy that seemed to cherish taking the "troubled" Corey Dillons and Randy Mosses of the league and making them shine.Just a thought.J
MrSoup
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Moss and Dillon are/were good football players though.Marshawn Lynch, not so sure about.
I could see that, would just seem strange to me if it happened. We'll all find out soon enough because if Moreno does miss significant time the speculation will be rampant.
LBH
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also the culture in NE was different than it is in denver. NE had a strong vet presence and a lot of success making it less risky to take on 1 or 2 guys with percieved character issues
Sopranos25
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Good situation for Westy.. Nice fill in for a season..
No Way Jose
Footballguy
With all these injuries...he seems like a guy that could get a call.....but remember he is suspended for the first few games.
JohnnyU
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http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04...f-l/#more-41773RB Toney Baker, North Carolina State
Why Baker is Overlooked: Baker was also a top high school prospect, but he had a major knee injury during his sophomore year. Complications from the surgery also caused Baker to miss his junior season. When Baker returned to the lineup as a senior, he gained a total of 1,128 yards from scrimmage with 9 touchdowns – not impressive enough for him to vault back into the collective conscience of talent evaluators.
Why Baker Has Promise: At just a shade under 5’10”, 235 pounds, Baker has the balance and strength to gain yardage after contact. Runners with this height-weight dimension are generally effective power runners at the pro level because they have a low center of gravity to power through hits. What also stands out is Baker’s patience on zone plays to press the hole and find the cutback, and his shiftiness on trap plays to get small in narrow creases. A good receiver out of the backfield, Baker’s size and talents are reminiscent of former N.F.L. starters Leroy Hoard and Gary Brown.
Bottom Line: Baker might be ignored during the draft because of the severity of his injury and a 40-yard dash time of 4.5 to 4.6 seconds. However, Baker ran this time at a weight of 235 pounds, 10 pounds more than his playing weight. Jamal Lewis, Willis McGahee and Frank Gore are all examples of runners who needed two full years to regain some of their pre-injury speed and quickness. If Baker can do the same, he has the conceptual skills, instincts and versatility to make a roster and eventually surprise.
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