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Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash - TMZ (1 Viewer)

culdeus said:
Still not sure how to feel about the rape thing.  I suppose we look past it as a one time deal?   I have to think lebron does this in the middle of metoo he goes away for 10 years.  
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Not if the alleged victim doesn't testify.

 
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skillz said:
Payne Stewart is another.  That one was odd in that he was flying in the air for a few hours already dead until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed.  He had just won the US Open too. 
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This is the one I thought of as well. Just unimaginable. 

 
-fish- said:
Dear Basketball

Released for free today.   For those that don't know, it's his 2015 letter to the Player's Tribune announcing his retirement, made into a short animated film that won an Oscar in 2018.  
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So good. Sitting at my kitchen table after making breakfast for my youngest daughters and I’m wailing like a baby. Him waking into that white light at the end got me.
 

Both my daughters play basketball. I’m still  so crushed. 

 
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After reading through this thread, I'm touched by the number of guys and gals who were impacted by Kobe's life and career.   We all have those people we admire for various and sundry reasons. Even though many of us never knew or met our heroes, we feel like we knew them as a friend of family member. Their passing leaves a void in our lives just like the passing of someone we knew and loved.

I will tell you that when someone passed that I felt like you feel about Kobe, I bawled my eyes out.  I cried harder for this person that I ever will for most anyone save my wife and boys.   It hurts, it's painful, and it sucks.  If you take the best things about their life and apply to your own, and remember what they did, that person never truly dies.

Bro hugs for all of you Kobe fans.

 
Tom Servo said:
After reading through this thread, I'm touched by the number of guys and gals who were impacted by Kobe's life and career.   We all have those people we admire for various and sundry reasons. Even though many of us never knew or met our heroes, we feel like we knew them as a friend of family member. Their passing leaves a void in our lives just like the passing of someone we knew and loved.

I will tell you that when someone passed that I felt like you feel about Kobe, I bawled my eyes out.  I cried harder for this person that I ever will for most anyone save my wife and boys.   It hurts, it's painful, and it sucks.  If you take the best things about their life and apply to your own, and remember what they did, that person never truly dies.

Bro hugs for all of you Kobe fans.
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Well said, Tom. You're a bigger man than I. Grief comes in all forms and manifests itself in highly individualized ways; to respect that is to remember our own losses.

RIP to those involved. 

 
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Tom Servo said:
If you take the best things about their life and apply to your own, and remember what they did, that person never truly dies.

Bro hugs for all of you Kobe fans.
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Bro huh right back Tom.

Im trying my best to do more and be more. Trying to use his love for basketball and life as inspiration to improve my life and the others around me. 
 

We can all do so much more. Yes it’s a little corny but it’s true. Life’s daily grind can stagnate your life as you slowly fall into patterns of non productivity. 
 

I want more. More for me, more for my wife and certainly more for my girls. I’m a girl dad too!! 
 

I mentioned before that my little brother passing rocked me a few months ago and changed me. First time I felt a loss like that. My grandfather who raised me and whom I consider the closest ting to a father I had passed, he was 97. I was sad but I mean cmon, 97! 
 

Point is... since then I quit smoking weed, got back into training hard and really stopped getting so angry and frustrated at a lot of life’s hurdles. I’m Irish/German so I’m about as hot tempered as you can get. I’ve managed to get ahold of all that anger. 
 

Im rambling. Point is, we can all do so much more than we are and there isn’t a person reading this that can deny that. Don’t waste your time looking at TMZ or twitter or spending hours and hours here. Take an online class. Listen to a audiobook, read a book, improve yourself. Open your mind. Grow as a person. 
 

ETA - Write down 3-5 things you want to get done this morning. It can be something as simple as making a doctors appointment or renewing your tags. If you manage to get a whopping 3-5 tasks done everyday you will be doing more than 90% of the population. 

 
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culdeus said:
Still not sure how to feel about the rape thing.  I suppose we look past it as a one time deal?   I have to think lebron does this in the middle of metoo he goes away for 10 years.  
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Hey fame, money and privilege gets people out of many jams.

It was way before my time but I watched the special on Ted Kennedy, Ted was drunk and responsible for a women's death and nothing ever happened, he went on to have a long career in the public eye and even ran for POTUS. 

Kobe did apologize and had the financial means to pay the women off to keep from going to trial and possible jail so if the women was happy who are we to judge.

Now if the same happened to both today with social media and shows like TMZ it would be a totally different story.

 
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That woman lost all credibility with me when she showed up to the medical examiners evaluation with another mans (Not Kobe’s)  seamen and pubic hairs on her panties. 
 

The case was dropped which had nothing to do with Kobe’s fame or money. Settling out of court is not a admission of guilt. Kobe apologized, said he understood that while he believed in his heart that it was consensual, he understood that she doesn’t feel the same. Wife forgave him, victim allegedly forgave him and since he grew as a person and became so much more to so many. 
 

We all make mistakes and if we grow from them to become better people what more can you ask for? 
 

Last I will say on that subject. 

 
I gotta get off the internet. Can't sit here and cry all day watching all these clips and tributes and stories. Just brutal 

 
fissure man said:
That woman lost all credibility with me when she showed up to the medical examiners evaluation with another mans (Not Kobe’s)  seamen and pubic hairs on her panties. 
 

The case was dropped which had nothing to do with Kobe’s fame or money. Settling out of court is not a admission of guilt. Kobe apologized, said he understood that while he believed in his heart that it was consensual, he understood that she doesn’t feel the same. Wife forgave him, victim allegedly forgave him and since he grew as a person and became so much more to so many. 
 

We all make mistakes and if we grow from them to become better people what more can you ask for? 
 

Last I will say on that subject. 
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Is this true?  I never heard this, although I also never went looking for it, so it could totally be true.

 
fissure man said:
Bro huh right back Tom.

Im trying my best to do more and be more. Trying to use his love for basketball and life as inspiration to improve my life and the others around me. 
 

We can all do so much more. Yes it’s a little corny but it’s true. Life’s daily grind can stagnate your life as you slowly fall into patterns of non productivity. 
 

I want more. More for me, more for my wife and certainly more for my girls. I’m a girl dad too!! 
 

I mentioned before that my little brother passing rocked me a few months ago and changed me. First time I felt a loss like that. My grandfather who raised me and whom I consider the closest ting to a father I had passed, he was 97. I was sad but I mean cmon, 97! 
 

Point is... since then I quit smoking weed, got back into training hard and really stopped getting so angry and frustrated at a lot of life’s hurdles. I’m Irish/German so I’m about as hot tempered as you can get. I’ve managed to get ahold of all that anger. 
 

Im rambling. Point is, we can all do so much more than we are and there isn’t a person reading this that can deny that. Don’t waste your time looking at TMZ or twitter or spending hours and hours here. Take an online class. Listen to a audiobook, read a book, improve yourself. Open your mind. Grow as a person. 
 

ETA - Write down 3-5 things you want to get done this morning. It can be something as simple as making a doctors appointment or renewing your tags. If you manage to get a whopping 3-5 tasks done everyday you will be doing more than 90% of the population. 
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Fantastic post - sometimes tragedy can snap the rest of us back to reality and to be better - good luck!

 
fissure man said:
That woman lost all credibility with me when she showed up to the medical examiners evaluation with another mans (Not Kobe’s)  seamen and pubic hairs on her panties. 
 

The case was dropped which had nothing to do with Kobe’s fame or money. Settling out of court is not a admission of guilt. Kobe apologized, said he understood that while he believed in his heart that it was consensual, he understood that she doesn’t feel the same. Wife forgave him, victim allegedly forgave him and since he grew as a person and became so much more to so many. 
 

We all make mistakes and if we grow from them to become better people what more can you ask for? 
 

Last I will say on that subject. 
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The case was so long ago.  Read through the wiki on it and  it seems like the above is pretty accurate

 
fissure man said:
That woman lost all credibility with me when she showed up to the medical examiners evaluation with another mans (Not Kobe’s)  seamen and pubic hairs on her panties. 
 

The case was dropped which had nothing to do with Kobe’s fame or money. Settling out of court is not a admission of guilt. Kobe apologized, said he understood that while he believed in his heart that it was consensual, he understood that she doesn’t feel the same. Wife forgave him, victim allegedly forgave him and since he grew as a person and became so much more to so many. 
 

We all make mistakes and if we grow from them to become better people what more can you ask for? 
 

Last I will say on that subject. 
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Seems far fetched.   Maybe the story wasn't totally clean but I can't see how that didn't factor here.    

 
my top five cliched Kobe hottakes so far:

5. What about the other people who died??

4. What about the troops??

3. What about that girl he raped???

2. I'm a news reporter reporting news but I'm going to break down sobbing because I met him twice!

1. Hug your kids!!

 
culdeus said:
Seems far fetched.   Maybe the story wasn't totally clean but I can't see how that didn't factor here.    
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Just for the sake of clarity, the criminal case was dropped before going to trial, almost certainly because the victim decided she would not testify.  There could be other reasons, but it sure seemed at the time that was the main reason.  In his written apology (which I thought was excellent, but many others found lacking), Kobe specifically stated that he did not pay her any money.  The defense had dug up some damning stuff on her, and it seems likely they would have made things very difficult for her.  I'm sure it would have been a terrible experience, but we really don't know for certain the reasons for her decisions.  In his apology, Kobe also specifically noted that he was aware she was going to file a civil lawsuit, which she did.  That lawsuit was settled, almost certainly in consideration of payment to her as plaintiff.  Anyone can do the math here, but there's no escaping the fact we all have to fill in some gaps with our own personal assumptions.  There were only two people in the room, and I think it is entirely possible that, when all was said and done, one of them thought one thing and the other had a different opinion as to what happened.

 
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CletiusMaximus said:
my top five cliched Kobe hottakes so far:

5. What about the other people who died??

4. What about the troops??

3. What about that girl he raped???

2. I'm a news reporter reporting news but I'm going to break down sobbing because I met him twice!

1. Hug your kids!!
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Maybe Im being sensitive cause Im hurting but you can be better than this. 

I can only guess people who type stuff like this have never felt true loss in their lives. Once you have, you get a far more  perspective on how fragile life is. How its more important to value your time on this earth. The people in it. 

I still fail from time to time but I'm trying. I try my best to think about what I post and why I'm posting it. Is it hurtful? Am I just saying something to get attention, a laugh? Does my post have a value? Will it positively affect others? (effect? I always get confused by those two). 

 
fissure man said:
That woman lost all credibility with me when she showed up to the medical examiners evaluation with another mans (Not Kobe’s)  seamen and pubic hairs on her panties. 
 

The case was dropped which had nothing to do with Kobe’s fame or money. Settling out of court is not a admission of guilt. Kobe apologized, said he understood that while he believed in his heart that it was consensual, he understood that she doesn’t feel the same. Wife forgave him, victim allegedly forgave him and since he grew as a person and became so much more to so many. 
 

We all make mistakes and if we grow from them to become better people what more can you ask for? 
 

Last I will say on that subject. 
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I know someone that was intimately involved in the case in Colorado on a daily basis. This is not the time or the place to be discussing it, and I can't be posting details about it on a message board. Let's just say something happened and it wasn't 100% above board. But there is a lot of gray zone and involves the type of stuff that goes on during dates and focuses on what is consensual and what's not.

But people should be aware that the woman involved did not want to come forward at all and she did not ever want the case to proceed. It took a whole bunch of people to convince her to report it. I forget some of the other details, but the sheriff and/or DA were up for reelection or wanted to run for office and put their aspirations and self interests above those involved.

 
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fissure man said:
Maybe Im being sensitive cause Im hurting but you can be better than this. 

I can only guess people who type stuff like this have never felt true loss in their lives. Once you have, you get a far more  perspective on how fragile life is. How its more important to value your time on this earth. The people in it. 

I still fail from time to time but I'm trying. I try my best to think about what I post and why I'm posting it. Is it hurtful? Am I just saying something to get attention, a laugh? Does my post have a value? Will it positively affect others? (effect? I always get confused by those two). 
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I'm just reacting to what I've seen on television and twitter.  I'm always baffled and bemused that so many people feel a need to tell others how they should feel, how they should mourn, what they should say or think, or not say or not think, what should be important to them and not important to their feelings.

 
Mr. Ham said:
This is consistent with my recollection. It’s at best in the grays. I think Kobe would even have admitted that in retrospect. It can’t be swept away with the “woman wanted attention, money” or “she was a slut.” It was and remains complicated.
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He did in his apology. I’m paraphrasing here but IIRC, He said while that he thinks in his heart that it was consensual, he understood that she doesn’t see it that way and he could never comprehend how awful she must feel. 

 
fissure man said:
He did in his apology. I’m paraphrasing here but IIRC, He said while that he thinks in his heart that it was consensual, he understood that she doesn’t see it that way and he could never comprehend how awful she must feel. 
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I believe that was part of the agreement that she'd drop the case.  If he admitted that.

 
If I remember right he also bought his wife a 4 Million Dollar diamond, thought being that was at least as much as he paid her off for.  

 
culdeus said:
If I remember right he also bought his wife a 4 Million Dollar diamond, thought being that was at least as much as he paid her off for.  
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Somebody I know personally was cheated on by her husband and while she's not typically into jewelry I'm told she has demanded a "Kobe Bryant Ring". 

ETA - The Settlement was 2.5 million and the ring was 4 million. 

 
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Anarchy99 said:
I know someone that was intimately involved in the case in Colorado on a daily basis. This is not the time or the place to be discussing it, and I can't be posting details about it on a message board. Let's just say something happened and it wasn't 100% above board. But there is a lot of gray zone and involves the type of stuff that goes on during dates and focuses on what is consensual and what's not.

But people should be aware that the woman involved did not want to come forward at all and she did not ever want the case to proceed. It took a whole bunch of people to convince her to report it. I forget some of the other details, but the sheriff and/or DA were up for reelection or wanted to run for office and put their aspirations and self interests above those involved.
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I dont know if this a common phenomenon, but my old HS crew developed pocket communities (the product of one person finding a cool spot and inviting buds out who found it cool too and relocated) in western locales - two specifically, Napa Valley & Vail. Because those have developed into big tourist destinations, a lot of those friends have become bigwigs in the hospitality biz in those locations. My Vail friends (Eagle, where the Kobe incident occurred, is where most of those friends live cuz it was cheaper backinaday) were 100% "oh, yeah, he did that" and identified Mr Bryant as one of those celebs with a warning label in that regard.

 
As usual, everyone concentrates on the negative. 
 

Y’all have an awesome day. Headed to the gym to play some basketball for the first time in a few months. 

 
fissure man said:
Maybe Im being sensitive cause Im hurting but you can be better than this. 

I can only guess people who type stuff like this have never felt true loss in their lives. Once you have, you get a far more  perspective on how fragile life is. How its more important to value your time on this earth. The people in it. 

I still fail from time to time but I'm trying. I try my best to think about what I post and why I'm posting it. Is it hurtful? Am I just saying something to get attention, a laugh? Does my post have a value? Will it positively affect others? (effect? I always get confused by those two). 
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You suck at guessing.

 
culdeus said:
If I remember right he also bought his wife a 4 Million Dollar diamond, thought being that was at least as much as he paid her off for.  
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I always thought it strange that giving your wife money would make your sexual indiscretions less of an issue.  I can’t wrap my head around having a marriage that shallow.  To each their own though.  It’s probably not uncommon.

 
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eoMMan said:
To be fair, all of the current news coverage and publicity out there is treating him like Mother Theresa. It's like the affair/rape settlement never happened. 
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Grieving i understand. Kobe Bryant was a singular talent and a touchstone of a certain generational aspiration. But a poor choice for the present & ongoing media canonization - not only for the Colorado incident but for being the NBA's first 40%er and countless other acts of basketball selfishness in the closing years of his career. I can only conclude that, just like everything else the media does these days, that the root lies in the OJ phenomenon - more people will be watching if you have Kobe stuff on right now. That's not coverage, it's hype.

 
Getzlaf15 said:
A friend of mine at my brokerage here in Boise, just posted a tribute to his cousin, Chistina Mauser, who was on the helicopter.  So sad.
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We live next door to Mauser's best friend.  Multiple tragedies occurred here, that's for sure.

 
eoMMan said:
To be fair, all of the current news coverage and publicity out there is treating him like Mother Theresa. It's like the affair/rape settlement never happened. 
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If they were, they wouldn't even mention it in his looking back on his life.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Wearing that ring around is basically a billboard for the time your husband cheated. It’s weird.
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Who are you to judge? As a woman I can see both sides. She wore it as a promise from him that things were going to change. He happens to be rich so it wasn't going to be a 4k ring. 

 
-fish- said:
This isn't even close to true.   
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I'll admit, I'm not a big "news guy" anymore, but I was watching the big 3 (CNN, MSNBC, and FOXNews) all day Sunday and it never came up.  Even places like TMZ didn't really touch it.  

I haven't watched anything more since Sunday, but it seemed like no one ever mentioned that.  Has it changed?  Is it the big news sites or is it smaller news sites hoping to generate clicks?

 
TheIronSheik said:
I'll admit, I'm not a big "news guy" anymore, but I was watching the big 3 (CNN, MSNBC, and FOXNews) all day Sunday and it never came up.  Even places like TMZ didn't really touch it.  

I haven't watched anything more since Sunday, but it seemed like no one ever mentioned that.  Has it changed?  Is it the big news sites or is it smaller news sites hoping to generate clicks?
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Well, a Washington Post writer brought it up and got suspended for it, so.......

 
TheIronSheik said:
I'll admit, I'm not a big "news guy" anymore, but I was watching the big 3 (CNN, MSNBC, and FOXNews) all day Sunday and it never came up.  Even places like TMZ didn't really touch it.  

I haven't watched anything more since Sunday, but it seemed like no one ever mentioned that.  Has it changed?  Is it the big news sites or is it smaller news sites hoping to generate clicks?
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While it should be brought up and discussed at some point when people discuss his legacy it probably didn’t need to be done 2 hours after it was discovered he was incinerated on a mountain next to his daughter. 

 
Capella said:
While it should be brought up and discussed at some point when people discuss his legacy it probably didn’t need to be done 2 hours after it was discovered he was incinerated on a mountain next to his daughter. 
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To be clear, I'm not saying it should have by any means.  I was just responding to the thread where someone said the coverage has pretty much not touched on it at all, then the reply came back saying that wasn't true.  I was just asking where that was happening because I haven't seen much, if any.  

 
TheIronSheik said:
To be clear, I'm not saying it should have by any means.  I was just responding to the thread where someone said the coverage has pretty much not touched on it at all, then the reply came back saying that wasn't true.  I was just asking where that was happening because I haven't seen much, if any.  
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I know. Didn’t mean that to sound accusatory. I just don’t think Sunday was the time to really dive into it. 

 
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