werdnoynek
Footballguy
it's a quote from the letter he sent out prior to the call.
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JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
I find it hard to believe the owners would pass a vote on a deal that De Smith never agreed to, or that De would send them back to Washington if negotiations were not done.
Not to mention the deal they voted on looked mooooooore than fair for the players, IMHO.
This is a issue of Kessler being cranky, and the NFLPA needs new lawyers.
How can anyone be on the players side if they vote no or dont vote?
Not to mention the deal they voted on looked mooooooore than fair for the players, IMHO.
This is a issue of Kessler being cranky, and the NFLPA needs new lawyers.
How can anyone be on the players side if they vote no or dont vote?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
That the genius in what the owners did.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
agreed all the pressure is on the players now and they will look like complete tools if that timeline sent forward isnt met.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Eisen and Lombardi just discussing that there was NOTHING in the agreement that hadn't already been discussed. Players are out of their minds right now, running around like chickens with their heads cut off. De Smith needs to get this #### corralled (and players need to stop hitting "send" on their tweets).
drfeelgood
Footballguy
IMO the players already look like complete tools.
Kessler trying for glory. Between NFL and NBA, he is getting kicked around.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Apparently, he's just doing what he was hired to do.
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
right there.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
It's hard to tell from the press reports if the owners just ratified an 'agreement' that contains clauses that the players never agreed to, or if they passed something they think reflects the final negotiations and the players just haven't seen it yet.
If it's the first option this thing might still blow up.
If it's the first option this thing might still blow up.
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
The players are letting a lawyers run the room and run the NFLPA into the ground of a PR nightmare, if they continue to let this guy shoot for the fence.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Why? I think this may hurt the negotiations. It was a pretty underhanded move by the owners.
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
What is, voting on a deal everyone agreed to by there President De Smith?Are you really gonna believe the people who are obviously holding this up?Why? I think this may hurt the negotiations. It was a pretty underhanded move by the owners.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
If De Smith was given exclusive bargaining powers by the 32 team reps and satisfied all of the issues laid out by them in negotiations with Goodell/owners, then it seems at best confusion by the players, and at worst, an underhanded last-minute power play by the NFLPA.Why? I think this may hurt the negotiations. It was a pretty underhanded move by the owners.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
It appears at least one of the issues is that the owners effectively said the players have to reform as a union in order to sign the deal and make it happen, but the players do not want to stipulate to that.
I'd need to see what they claim was put into the agreement that wasn't agreed to before I side one way or the other. It doesn't make any sense that the players would be doing this to get more. After the owners agreed, everyone expects the players to.
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
This all don't make sense.
If all the owners had to do to sway public opinion was agree to a fake deal, why now?
Person on conf call sent Mort a message that players are calm, having businesslike conversation. Won't decide on voting until they get a full document from league.
If all the owners had to do to sway public opinion was agree to a fake deal, why now?
Person on conf call sent Mort a message that players are calm, having businesslike conversation. Won't decide on voting until they get a full document from league.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Has anyone updated Heath Evans about this?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The NFL and NFLPA lawyers have been working together to hammer out this deal for days now. To characterize it as the "owner's proposal" is lunacy. This is the deal that the owners and De Smith/NFL Players Executive Committee worked out.For the players to reject it now is insane. It's 100% obvious who is screwing up and screwing over the fans here.
Were you in the meetings and have you compared the documents agreed to between the NFLPA and the owners to the documents agreed to by the owners today? If not, your just speculating right now.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
What is, voting on a deal everyone agreed to by there President De Smith?Are you really gonna believe the people who are obviously holding this up?Why? I think this may hurt the negotiations. It was a pretty underhanded move by the owners.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Why the heck would the owners have gone through all of this if the players weren't willing to reform the union and give the owners the protection against the monopoly laws? :insane:If the players reject this on those grounds, then the owners should tell them to pound sand and see them in court. And I hope the players would get their clocks cleaned in court and end up with much less than they would get under this.
zadok
Footballguy
Exactly correct. The #####ing and moaning may continue for a few hours but it will be ratified.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It would be insane for the owners to try to pull a fast one like that. There is 0% chance that they agreed to anything other than the deal negotiated with De Smith and the Executive Committee.
Why do you say that? If the owners did try to pull a fast one it seems to be working brilliantly right now. All of the pressure is on the players to approve the deal.
zadok
Footballguy
It is abundantly clear that the rank and file player reps are not on same page as their bargaining team. They will be soon enough.
MindCrime
Footballguy
^^this
FUBAR
Footballguy
Isn't there always a segment of the workforce that doesn't like the deal their bargaining team negotiates? My dad used to be on the bargaining team for his teachers union, he hated it for that reason.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
NFLPA* fears lawsuit from Vincent Jackson
Posted by Mike Florio on July 21, 2011, 9:16 PM EDT
Chargers receiver Vincent Jackson is represented by a couple of the hardest charging agents in the business. Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod have engineered, for example, the recent holdouts of Darrelle Revis and Roddy White. Also, they threatened litigation on Jackson’s behalf last year against the San Diego Union-Tribune based on the suggestion by Kevin Acee that Jackson was broke.
There’s talk in league circles that the NFLPA* fears they’ll be the next target of the Schwartz and Feinsod hardball tactics. Specifically, we’re told the NFLPA* is concerned it will be sued if Jackson’s role in the Brady antitrust lawsuit is settled without Jackson receiving $10 million.
That’s why the NFLPA* keeps pushing the issue — and that’s why it continues to be a roadblock in a process that now has plenty of them.
Only one man can put this issue to rest. And that’s Vincent Jackson. If he truly wants nothing (as he supposedly said on an unverified Twitter page earlier this week), he needs to call a press conference and say so. Otherwise, we’ll assume he wants $10 million.
Hopefully, I won’t be sued for expressing that opinion.
Posted by Mike Florio on July 21, 2011, 9:16 PM EDT
Chargers receiver Vincent Jackson is represented by a couple of the hardest charging agents in the business. Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod have engineered, for example, the recent holdouts of Darrelle Revis and Roddy White. Also, they threatened litigation on Jackson’s behalf last year against the San Diego Union-Tribune based on the suggestion by Kevin Acee that Jackson was broke.
There’s talk in league circles that the NFLPA* fears they’ll be the next target of the Schwartz and Feinsod hardball tactics. Specifically, we’re told the NFLPA* is concerned it will be sued if Jackson’s role in the Brady antitrust lawsuit is settled without Jackson receiving $10 million.
That’s why the NFLPA* keeps pushing the issue — and that’s why it continues to be a roadblock in a process that now has plenty of them.
Only one man can put this issue to rest. And that’s Vincent Jackson. If he truly wants nothing (as he supposedly said on an unverified Twitter page earlier this week), he needs to call a press conference and say so. Otherwise, we’ll assume he wants $10 million.
Hopefully, I won’t be sued for expressing that opinion.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I wouldn't put it 0% which is why I don't have a problem with the players checking the fine print over night
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Didn't take sides until this hour. Players are the morons here and D. Smith is King Moron. Players don't know details so isn't King Moron supposed to educate the minion morons. King Moron is a total tool.
He's been tweeting for two days that it's bull#### and he's not going to do anything to hang up the livelihood of almost 2000 players. But I guess Florio is the authority here...http://twitter.com/?q=vincent+jackson#!/VincentTJackson/status/This is interesting though:http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/07/21/the-nfl-lockout-is-still-on-and-heres-demaurice-smiths-email-to-the-players/
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gethugefast1
Footballguy
Vincent Jackson, "$10 million or have all my DUIS taken off my record."
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De Smith needs to get his house in order. The NFLPA* is in complete shambles where they don't know what's actually happening. I don't understand this backlash by them, the owners obviously negotiated a deal with De Smith yet the players are calling it a power play? Didn't the players intrust De Smith to negotiate on their behalf or is he now nothing more than a figurehead without any real power whatsoever? This thing is a mess and it's the players that are screwing it up.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
LOL. Bought right into the owners marketing ploy.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
He may have 'tweeted' that, but his agents and lawyers may have something else in mind.........."""Only one man can put this issue to rest. And that’s Vincent Jackson. If he truly wants nothing (as he supposedly said on an unverified Twitter page earlier this week), he needs to call a press conference and say so. Otherwise, we’ll assume he wants $10 million."""
LOL, just saw that on twitter too..VJax is a tool for sure but I think Florio is catching the dregs of a rumor that jumped the shark two days ago. Either way, total ####storm at this point, so disappointing.
You're quoting Florio's opinion, I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
yea, that was me on twitter...have florio's comment in """quotes""" (see full post above)
Fire the Fat Man
Footballguy
I am done. Screw the NFL and NFLPA
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Completely, but they're all pissed lol
