Lache Seastrunk - RB - Baylor (1 Viewer)

[Archer]

While I'm not thrilled the Skins "wasted" the pick on him, I'm glad they have identified now he is NOT an asset for the team and moved on. No sense trying to fit a round peg through a square whole.

 

[Bayhawks]

Redskins fans love to fall in love with underachieving backup position players ... Brandon Banks, Marko Mitchell, Hankerson, Malcolm Kelly, Sage Rosenfelds, Skip Hicks, Colt Brennan. Show me where any amounted to anything. Latest case...Lache Seastrunk

Uh......Alfred Morris?

 

[identikit]

Redskins fans love to fall in love with underachieving backup position players ... Brandon Banks, Marko Mitchell, Hankerson, Malcolm Kelly, Sage Rosenfelds, Skip Hicks, Colt Brennan. Show me where any amounted to anything. Latest case...Lache Seastrunk

Uh......Alfred Morris?

Exactly.

I think Alf would be in the 'overachiever' camp.

 

[3C's]

The writing was on the wall. "behind the 8 ball" and "coming along at a slower place than I would probably like" are not what you want to hear.

http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/gruden-seastrunk-bit-behind-eight-ball

Haven't found anything to support the "character issues" other than a few tweets where people are guessing that is the reason. Washington still has 2 spots open on their PS. Could still add him but they've said they have no plans.

I agree the writing was on the wall in Washington, but you could've argued the same thing about Crowell in Cleveland prior to that fourth preseason game.Lache produced with the ball in his hands, but to not even be invited to the practice squad despite spots open and to not be claimed by another team speaks volumes.

I like the kid's ability to run the football and make plays, but there are clearly other issues at play here. This league rosters dudes you wouldn't exactly want your daughter hanging out with. The NFL puts murderers, thiefs, liars, swindlers, etc on the field when they can play. To get passed on by all those teams after making explosive plays all preseason is a major red flag IMO.

Exactly. Teams will turn a blind eye to a guy who can contribute. To me his is not about character. He's a major project in pass protection and his route running isn't good. He's fast. So are thousands of other guys. Fast all by itself won't cut it.

It is definitely about his character. Teams LOVE fast. They hold guys for fast and nothing else. Jerome Mathis and Trindon Holiday made careers out of fast. Jeff Demps keeps getting tries because of it. He'll get another shot unless he's out there doing meth (which I guess is not out of the realm of impossible) and I'm going to try and hold him until then.

Okay, show me where there is anything concrete about character.

I could say the same thing about your theory. Plenty of players have been cut before getting a chance to shine. You already know that being a Steelers fan. James Harrison was cut once by the Ravens and 3 or 4 time by the Steelers and had some personality issues.

My theory is that he's not good enough right now to be a contributing player at rb. They took a chance on him but he didn't improve to a point of their liking during preseason. Is that to say he won't get another chance some day? No, but unless something comes out about character then that's nothing but people guessing because they think he's something that he's not.

 

[3C's]

Mike ‏@rpm1010 1h

Who has more defenders in the twitter universe, Lache Seastrunk or Jennifer Lawrence?

 

[Bojang0301]

I'm not sure why I was attacked. I really don't know anything about the guys character. All I was saying is that speed kills and the NFL loves it. They'll take a chance on a guy who has it. There has been twitter speculation that the guy has attitude problems. Couple that with lack of playing special teams, pass blocking ability and a limited compilation of his recieving traits he's on the street. Most teams like to keep their PS mostly from in house, so I'm really not sweating this a whole lot. He fell to the 6th and I have to assume it's because the NFL had concerns about a lot of things including his playing ability. I'm sorry though I still think he's a spell binding runner who will find a place and who deficiencies are things mostly easily learned in the NFL. Lets also not forget that RGIII gave some input on Seastrunk and was even insinuated that it was a pick to appease him some. The coaching staff always had favoritism toward Thompson and I think he's a talented back in his own right. I haven't mentioned Redd but don't think his making the team hasn't given me pause. One of the leagues I mentioned has open waivers and I definitely slipped him on my PS with limited knowledge of his ability.

 

[3C's]

I don't see where you were attacked. You said "It is definitely about character" to which I said show me something, anything, that points to character outside of guesses by those on twitter who think he's something special whereas the coaches don't agree.

From the little I saw of Thompson in game 4 it looked to me like he was better than Seastrunk. Redd definitely was.

ETA: I have little doubt that someone will eventually give him another look. Might take an injury to create an opening. Who knows.

 

[Bojang0301]

I don't see where you were attacked. You said "It is definitely about character" to which I said show me something, anything, that points to character outside of guesses by those on twitter who think he's something special whereas the coaches don't agree.

From the little I saw of Thompson in game 4 it looked to me like he was better than Seastrunk. Redd definitely was.

Well I'll back track then and say poor choice of words on my part. His ability outside his natural talents played into it, perhaps in a major way.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

It is definitely about his character.

I really don't know anything about the guys character.

Just get back to us later.

 

[Bojang0301]

It is definitely about his character.

I really don't know anything about the guys character.

Just get back to us later.

My post was reactionary. I disagree with the assertion that his cut and subsequent not being claimed/signed to this point has anything to do with his running ability. I would be in denial to say it didn't have to do with the prerequisite skill set accompanied with that to be an NFL back. Couple that with the twitter echoes of armchair reporters I wanted to be defense when there wasn't really a need to be.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

It is definitely about his character.

I really don't know anything about the guys character.

Just get back to us later.

My post was reactionary. I disagree with the assertion that his cut and subsequent not being claimed/signed to this point has anything to do with his running ability. I would be in denial to say it didn't have to do with the prerequisite skill set accompanied with that to be an NFL back. Couple that with the twitter echoes of armchair reporters I wanted to be defense when there wasn't really a need to be.

Ahhh that makes sense.

 

[3C's]

several tweets: Gruden said it's not over for Lache Seastrunk, said they could give him a look later on.

 

[fatness]

Mike ‏@rpm1010 1h

Who has more defenders in the twitter universe, Lache Seastrunk or Jennifer Lawrence?

 

[LittlePhatty]

Well I was wrong about this dude. At least I only ate the poison pill in one league. I thought he looked reasonably good in the preseason, so I'm surprised nobody has even given him a practice squad shot. He's rumored to be a pretty big mental case. Maybe that played a role.

His fingernails are creepy.

Mental case or homosexual? Nothing creepy about those nails. I've just never seen them on a straight male.

Hey, he could be a classical guitarist. Anything is possible.

 

[cstu]

He could not pass block worth a crap. His role would have been to come in on passing downs and that was not going to happen when he couldn't block.

As far as character issues, I've seen nothing reported during preseason by any of the Redskins beat reporters. There's a decent chance that, in the future when people talk about Seastrunk's character issues and are asked for substantiation, they'll link to this thread. Which so far substantiates no character issues.

Redd outplayed him in training camp and he's a UDFA. Thompson could block somewhat, could catch and could run, which is a longer list than what Seastrunk could do and Thompson didn't make the team. Royster could block, catch, and run moderately well which is a longer list than what Seastrunk could do, and Royster didn't make the team.

Seastrunk could run real fast and that's it. Impressive speed, tons of casual Redskin fans loved him for it, but he didn't earn a place on the team.

My view on Seastrunk from the very beginning was that a small RB who can't block or catch will not be able to contribute. It's a fact in my mind that Seastrunk is a very talented RB but that's not enough.

That he was cut was not a surprise, what's a surprise is that no one wanted to even put him on their PS to develop. That's what signals to me that there are character issues involved.

 

[fatness]

My view on Seastrunk from the very beginning was that a small RB who can't block or catch will not be able to contribute. It's a fact in my mind that Seastrunk is a very talented RB but that's not enough.

That he was cut was not a surprise, what's a surprise is that no one wanted to even put him on their PS to develop. That's what signals to me that there are character issues involved.

With the link posted earlier about Gruden saying Seastrunk was slow to develop, it's more likely that he's not on the practice squad due to the coaching staff not seeing as much potential for development from Seastrunk as they see from other players, some of whom are counted on to take a spot on the regular roster this year (Phillip Thomas, for example).

 

[Biabreakable]

Does anyone know if Seastrunk has been picked up by any team for their practice squad?

I am a bit confused why he would still not be on any NFL team if that is indeed the case right now. Does he plan to play in the CFL? Or some other option?

 

[3C's]

Still a free free agent.

A tweet: During Preseason, I had us going 10-6, but since we cut Lache Seastrunk, my revised prediction is 6-10. He impacts games, even if inactive.

 

[Eminence]

Free agent RB Lache Seastrunk worked out for the Packers on Monday.
Seastrunk was a sixth-round pick of the Redskins. He averaged 4.8 YPC on 24 attempts and caught two passes for 88 yards and one touchdown in the preseason, excelling in both the run and pass games, and grading out as PFF's No. 7 running back this summer. Seastrunk is an explosive athlete. Sep 8 - 6:13 PM

Promising to see there's still interest for him somewhere. I still think he holds value in a Darren Sproles / Danny Woodhead type role... hell, maybe even as a returner?

 

[oso diablo]

wonder if the Ravens might take a look

 

[saintfool]

what if he doesn't want a practice squad spot? maybe he feels he should be contributing on the active roster? he believes he is more talented and is auditioning for spots possibly? it sounds like he wants to improve his passblocking and other deficiencies but doesn't see himself as *that* from the active roster.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Fodder

 

[BigTex]

I'm holding.

 

[Bojang0301]

GB worked him out recently.

 

[Eminence]

It's got to be those finger nails... and honestly I don't blame the coaches.

 

[BIG MAC]

Signed to Carolina practice squad?

 

[DaveL]

Best of luck, move up the ranks fast (please)

 

[solorca]

Really happy about this signing to the practice squad. It's a good way for Carolina to get an extended look at him, like they are currently doing with Stephen Hill. Fozzy Whitaker got hurt on Sunday and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets put on IR. Darren Reaves is likely to get called up from the practice squad first though.

 

[Hankmoody]

The Vikings are gonna have a RB spot open soon.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

We will know on Tuesday.

 

[hotboyz]

Seastrunk will explode in that offense

 

[3C's]

 

[Eminence]

At least he's getting paid to play football. Let's work on pass protection and cut those fingernails. He needs to get a little bigger otherwise he'll be nothing more than a 3rd down back if he sees the field. I think he can run between the tackles aikin to Pierre Thomas.

I'm surprised at the situation and I recently cut him in dynasty to make room for players that were actually, you know, on a team. Assuming he clears waivers, I'm going to pick him back up.

 

[3C's]

At least he's getting paid to play football. Let's work on pass protection and cut those fingernails. He needs to get a little bigger otherwise he'll be nothing more than a 3rd down back if he sees the field. I think he can run between the tackles aikin to Pierre Thomas.

I'm surprised at the situation and I recently cut him in dynasty to make room for players that were actually, you know, on a team. Assuming he clears waivers, I'm going to pick him back up.

He'll never be a 3rd down back if he can't pass protect.

Oh, and he doesn't run well between the tackles.

 

[gianmarco]

At least he's getting paid to play football. Let's work on pass protection and cut those fingernails. He needs to get a little bigger otherwise he'll be nothing more than a 3rd down back if he sees the field. I think he can run between the tackles aikin to Pierre Thomas.

I'm surprised at the situation and I recently cut him in dynasty to make room for players that were actually, you know, on a team. Assuming he clears waivers, I'm going to pick him back up.

He'll never be a 3rd down back if he can't pass protect.

Oh, and he doesn't run well between the tackles.

Huh? Says who? Since when?

The vast majority of his runs are between the tackles

Preseason run 1

Preseason run 2

 

[3C's]

At least he's getting paid to play football. Let's work on pass protection and cut those fingernails. He needs to get a little bigger otherwise he'll be nothing more than a 3rd down back if he sees the field. I think he can run between the tackles aikin to Pierre Thomas.

I'm surprised at the situation and I recently cut him in dynasty to make room for players that were actually, you know, on a team. Assuming he clears waivers, I'm going to pick him back up.

He'll never be a 3rd down back if he can't pass protect.

Oh, and he doesn't run well between the tackles.

Huh? Says who? Since when?

The vast majority of his runs are between the tackles

Preseason run 1

Preseason run 2

Hardly any of that is what I would call between the tackles. A few in the college highlights but certainly not "vast majority." Preseason run 1 was well outside the tackle box. It was a 1 cut on an outside zone run. Preseason run 2 was in the tackle box but was a cut back to the outside of the left side of the line. He's not a between the tackles grinder. If you saw the Ravens game yesterday Lorenzon Taliaferro was running between the tackles.

 

[gianmarco]

At least he's getting paid to play football. Let's work on pass protection and cut those fingernails. He needs to get a little bigger otherwise he'll be nothing more than a 3rd down back if he sees the field. I think he can run between the tackles aikin to Pierre Thomas.

I'm surprised at the situation and I recently cut him in dynasty to make room for players that were actually, you know, on a team. Assuming he clears waivers, I'm going to pick him back up.

He'll never be a 3rd down back if he can't pass protect.

Oh, and he doesn't run well between the tackles.

Huh? Says who? Since when?

The vast majority of his runs are between the tackles

Preseason run 1

Preseason run 2

Hardly any of that is what I would call between the tackles. A few in the college highlights but certainly not "vast majority." Preseason run 1 was well outside the tackle box. It was a 1 cut on an outside zone run. Preseason run 2 was in the tackle box but was a cut back to the outside of the left side of the line. He's not a between the tackles grinder. If you saw the Ravens game yesterday Lorenzon Taliaferro was running between the tackles.

I don't think you know what "running between the tackles is". What you would call it is different than what it's actually called by everyone else.

 

[3C's]

At least he's getting paid to play football. Let's work on pass protection and cut those fingernails. He needs to get a little bigger otherwise he'll be nothing more than a 3rd down back if he sees the field. I think he can run between the tackles aikin to Pierre Thomas.

I'm surprised at the situation and I recently cut him in dynasty to make room for players that were actually, you know, on a team. Assuming he clears waivers, I'm going to pick him back up.

He'll never be a 3rd down back if he can't pass protect.

Oh, and he doesn't run well between the tackles.

Huh? Says who? Since when?

The vast majority of his runs are between the tackles

Preseason run 1

Preseason run 2

Hardly any of that is what I would call between the tackles. A few in the college highlights but certainly not "vast majority." Preseason run 1 was well outside the tackle box. It was a 1 cut on an outside zone run. Preseason run 2 was in the tackle box but was a cut back to the outside of the left side of the line. He's not a between the tackles grinder. If you saw the Ravens game yesterday Lorenzon Taliaferro was running between the tackles.

I don't think you know what "running between the tackles is". What you would call it is different than what it's actually called by everyone else.

 

[3C's]

Stewart w/ a severe knee sprain, and Tolbert w/ a hairline fracture in his leg.

Opportunity is there. Their style of running isn't tailored towards his skills but he certainly has his chance if Deangelo is out longer too. Someone has to be back there.

 

[JFS171]

Whittaker not practicing again today. Would expect we'll hear an update sometime this afternoon. DeAngelo did return to practice, but I'd be floored if they went into Sunday's game with only DW, Reaves, and Richie Brockel at the position. Brockel is a TE that can play some FB... he's not a RB. With DW coming off injury and Reaves an unproven, UDFA rookie, there's got to be at least another warm body thrown in the mix.

Could see Lache called up as he's had a week + with the playbook now. Could also go the street FA route, but that guy would have a severe and steep learning curve for the playbook.

 

[Braktastic]

Lache Seastrunk - RB - Panthers

Panthers released RB Lache Seastrunk from their practice squad and signed RB Tauren Poole.

Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert and Fozzy Whittaker are all banged up, yet the Panthers don't even want to keep Seastrunk around. It speaks volumes about the sixth-round rookie's long-term outlook. He already got cut by the team that drafted him, the Redskins.

Sep 25 - 10:30 AM

 

[DaveL]

Panthers released RB Lache Seastrunk from their practice squad and signed RB Tauren Poole.

 

[Eminence]

It's the fingernails fellas, he probably has a creepy personality to go along with it too. Realistically though, the Panthers thought him carrying the full load wasn't an option. We know he's not a 3 down guy but I am shocked nobody would have him as their return guy.

*shrugs*

 

[gianmarco]

There's gotta be something going on here with him. Just doesn't make sense.

 

[bigmarc27]

There's gotta be something going on here with him. Just doesn't make sense.

Maybe that he's not very good and people should stop thinking that if they watch a few highlights on YouTube, they can accurately judge someone's talent?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Panthers released RB Lache Seastrunk from their practice squad and signed RB Tauren Poole.

Well, you know, Tauren Poole.

 

[JFS171]

He's the Da'Rick Rogers of RBs -- mega talent, but doesn't have the work ethic and isn't coachable.

Put a fork in his career. This one's over, sadly. Shame on me twice for getting this guy on my dynasty roster. Punt.

 

[gianmarco]

There's gotta be something going on here with him. Just doesn't make sense.

Maybe that he's not very good and people should stop thinking that if they watch a few highlights on YouTube, they can accurately judge someone's talent?

Aside from the fact that clearly a LOT of people like how he looks, he was widely considered by many scouts heading into last year as the top RB in the class and a 2nd round pick. This isn't by people who just watch Youtube but this was reported everywhere. His fall was very surprising to many. And even if he's not as good as people think, there are most definitely far worse RBs that somehow maintain backup jobs and he can't even make it on a practice squad.

There is most definitely something else going on.

 

[Braktastic]

He's the Da'Rick Rogers of RBs -- mega talent, but doesn't have the work ethic and isn't coachable.

Put a fork in his career. This one's over, sadly. Shame on me twice for getting this guy on my dynasty roster. Punt.

For those claiming the Redskins and Panthers moves are such a mystery to them. I think this is the answer right there.

 

[jwb]

There's gotta be something going on here with him. Just doesn't make sense.

Maybe that he's not very good and people should stop thinking that if they watch a few highlights on YouTube, they can accurately judge someone's talent?

Aside from the fact that clearly a LOT of people like how he looks, he was widely considered by many scouts heading into last year as the top RB in the class and a 2nd round pick. This isn't by people who just watch Youtube but this was reported everywhere. His fall was very surprising to many. And even if he's not as good as people think, there are most definitely far worse RBs that somehow maintain backup jobs and he can't even make it on a practice squad.

There is most definitely something else going on.

Indeed - Seastrunk went top 3 in every devy draft I was in last year (3). Lee/Watkins, then Seastrunk. Solid, competitive leagues, with respected FBG's / staff.

I'd wager there isn't a poster in this thread that would have let Seastrunk slide were they holding a devy pick in one of those leagues. And high (top 3) devy picks are considered very valuable. So people are invested in him. Hence him getting much more buzz than a typical sixth round flop.

In 5 or 6 years of playing in devy leagues, I don't recall seeing something quite like this - someone rated so high a year ago fail to even hold onto practice squads in year 1. Even Jonathan Dwyer and Ryan Williams hung around longer.