Ladarius Green's value (2 Viewers)

[Scooby1974]

Part of that is because Green played a bunch in the slot. Not that that's a bad thing.

yep, hes like jimmy graham. Eddie royal injury is more beneficial to him than gates injury. Speaking of which, anybody know royals status going forward?

Green is as fast and twice as big as Royal. Does Royal keep his job after injury with the way Green is playing?

 

[duaneok66]

They play different positions.

I guess what you are saying is that will the Chargers run more 2TE sets in the future? I think that this would have happened regardless of Royal's performance.

 

[shadyridr]

They play different positions.

I guess what you are saying is that will the Chargers run more 2TE sets in the future? I think that this would have happened regardless of Royal's performance.

they both play in the slot. One is called a TE, the other is called a WR but theres little difference between their roles.

 

[LawFitz]

They play different positions. I guess what you are saying is that will the Chargers run more 2TE sets in the future? I think that this would have happened regardless of Royal's performance.

they both play in the slot. One is called a TE, the other is called a WR but theres little difference between their roles.

Exactly. Think Aaron Hernandez. Actually, don't.

 

[chargerhonk]

They play different positions. I guess what you are saying is that will the Chargers run more 2TE sets in the future? I think that this would have happened regardless of Royal's performance.

they both play in the slot. One is called a TE, the other is called a WR but theres little difference between their roles.

Exactly. Think Aaron Hernandez. Actually, don't.

Shoot, that's a funny joke!

 

[Hoss Style]

For Dynasty purposes, I am curious what the consensus is on where to rank Green. Is he entering most people's discussion of Top 5-10? Clearly Graham, Gronk and Julius Thomas are well ahead of Green, but what about Jordan Cameron? Jordan Reed? Would you rank Green ahead of veteran's with a shorter shelf life, such as Vernon Davis or Jason Witten? How does Green's dynasty value compare to other young TE talents such as Eifert, Ertz, Fleener or Dwayne Allen? What sayeth the Pool?

For the record, I have Green ranked #8 for Dynasty purposes:

1. Graham

2. Gronkowski

3. J. Thomas

4. Jordan Cameron

5. Vernon Davis

6. Jordan Reed

7. Tyler Eifert

8. Ladarius Green

After another good showing, I may be moving Green up a spot or two in my dynasty rankings. I was concerned that I may have ranked Green a bit too high, even for Dynasty purposes, but based on what I am seeing here, perhaps I have him ranked lower than some.

Pretty good ranking there, imo. I own both Cameron and Green and have Green ranked higher than Cameron for Dynasty - but I'm doing that on the assumption that Gates starts declining quick and Cameron still will have QB woes. But if Cleveland gets a stud at QB in the draft and that QB starts performing right off the bat (or they keep Hoyer and he plays well) - then I'd have to reevaluate the entire thing.

1. Graham
2. Gronk (only because of injury history - if healthy he's #1)
3. JT
4. V Davis
5. J Reed
6. L Green (I think he'll get his chance to shine next year)
7. J Cameron (with good young QB? He moves up a few spots)
8. J Witten (I think he can have 2-3 more productive years)

I've seen Eifert a few times and I'd probably have him at 9. I guess I'm not sold as much on him as others. I also would like to work in Clay, from Miami, but I need to see a bit more from him yet. He could easily be up there next year, though.

 

[Run It Up]

You think it would be awesome owning 5 stud TEs in a 1.5TEPPR dyno league, but its suffering. Can only start two, cannot get reasonable value from anyone, had to actually trade Reed midseason for Amendola and Cook, not the worst but I haven't given up on either of them.

My 1.5te PPR Dynasty Rankings:
1a. Gronk, when healthy hes absolutely better than Graham

1b. Graham, I own Graham in pretty much every league I'm in, and I'm pretty scared he gets reclassified as a WR (which in some instances will solve my WR problems.)

3. J. Thomas, I think Manning has at least 1 good year left in him.

4. V. Davis, I don't believe in Kaepernick in the slightest, but Davis is imo the best non-fantasy TE in the nfl.

5. J. Reed

6. L. Green

7. Z. Ertz

8. T. Eifert

9. J. Cameron

10. Cook/Pitta/Housler/Clay/Kelce

 

[Hoss Style]

You think it would be awesome owning 5 stud TEs in a 1.5TEPPR dyno league, but its suffering. Can only start two, cannot get reasonable value from anyone, had to actually trade Reed midseason for Amendola and Cook, not the worst but I haven't given up on either of them.

My 1.5te PPR Dynasty Rankings:

1a. Gronk, when healthy hes absolutely better than Graham

1b. Graham, I own Graham in pretty much every league I'm in, and I'm pretty scared he gets reclassified as a WR (which in some instances will solve my WR problems.)

3. J. Thomas, I think Manning has at least 1 good year left in him.

4. V. Davis, I don't believe in Kaepernick in the slightest, but Davis is imo the best non-fantasy TE in the nfl.

5. J. Reed

6. L. Green

7. Z. Ertz

8. T. Eifert

9. J. Cameron

10. Cook/Pitta/Housler/Clay/Kelce

No Witten in your top 14? Do you think he's just going to fall off a cliff next year? (no sarcasm, really interested to see if you think he's not top 10 the next year or two).

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Ladarius Green played on 61-of-67 snaps (91.0 percent) in Sunday's loss to the Bengals.

In-line option Antonio Gates played on 62 snaps, creating a two-tight end base formation. "That's a package we're building," Gates said. "It'll be good for us to help us win football games." Green is the 6'6/238 athletic freak with 4.4 wheels that is now averaging an absurd 22.1 yards per catch on the season and has two touchdowns on 11 targets in his last two games. The Chargers coaches have clearly identified him as a player that needs to be featured in the passing game and will be rewarded for it. Green will be a borderline TE1 against the Giants even if Eddie Royal (chest, toe) returns.


Source: Union-Tribune San Diego

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's worth noting (per Mike Clay from PFF) that Green was in for 61 of 67 snaps. Gates played a similar amount, so San Diego was running a number of two TE sets.

Clay also stated that they ran a similar number of passing routes, although the exact numbers weren't provided.

Great info. Thanks.

This is good, right?

Is this contingent on Royal being out or the opponent, or are they truly working him in?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

It's worth noting (per Mike Clay from PFF) that Green was in for 61 of 67 snaps. Gates played a similar amount, so San Diego was running a number of two TE sets.

Clay also stated that they ran a similar number of passing routes, although the exact numbers weren't provided.

Great info. Thanks.

This is good, right?

Is this contingent on Royal being out or the opponent, or are they truly working him in?

could be a combo

No royal means that Keenan,Vbrown (bleh) and Seji was your top three WR.

Green needs to be involved more

 

[JuniorNB]

I think that with Green's height and athletic ability, the Chargers are seeing how the Saints use Graham's attributes and are going to eventually try to turn him into that kind of a weapon. By this time next year, I could see him being a top 3-5 tight end in the league.

 

[Run It Up]

You think it would be awesome owning 5 stud TEs in a 1.5TEPPR dyno league, but its suffering. Can only start two, cannot get reasonable value from anyone, had to actually trade Reed midseason for Amendola and Cook, not the worst but I haven't given up on either of them.

My 1.5te PPR Dynasty Rankings:

1a. Gronk, when healthy hes absolutely better than Graham

1b. Graham, I own Graham in pretty much every league I'm in, and I'm pretty scared he gets reclassified as a WR (which in some instances will solve my WR problems.)

3. J. Thomas, I think Manning has at least 1 good year left in him.

4. V. Davis, I don't believe in Kaepernick in the slightest, but Davis is imo the best non-fantasy TE in the nfl.

5. J. Reed

6. L. Green

7. Z. Ertz

8. T. Eifert

9. J. Cameron

10. Cook/Pitta/Housler/Clay/Kelce

No Witten in your top 14? Do you think he's just going to fall off a cliff next year? (no sarcasm, really interested to see if you think he's not top 10 the next year or two).

I think it will be a combination of regression and the position as a whole becoming much more competitive. Honestly I would put him in that abstract ~10th tier of TEs with Cook, Pitta, Housler, Clay and Kelce. Could easily finish in the top 10, but I think he is a tier below the rest.

 

[Saint]

Have to admit.... he didn't have receptions last week, but being in on 91% of the offensive snaps. That speaks volumes to me.

Here's his snap counts since the Week 8 Bye.

Week 9 6%Week 10 30%Week 11 31%Week 12 41%Week 13 92%I definitely like what I see and he is probably due for a big game soon.

 

[LawFitz]

I think we all need to slow our roll a bit until we see his snap percentages after Royal gets back. People around here and other threads are talking like the 2 TE formation is now their base offense. Reality is most of those snaps were LG working from the slot in the role Royal normally plays. Until/unless LG proves to have overtaken Royal or Gates on the depth chart he is high risk for a bust any given week.

 

[Saint]

I think we all need to slow our roll a bit until we see his snap percentages after Royal gets back. People around here and other threads are talking like the 2 TE formation is now their base offense. Reality is most of those snaps were LG working from the slot in the role Royal normally plays. Until/unless LG proves to have overtaken Royal or Gates on the depth chart he is high risk for a bust any given week.

Law, where are you getting the lineup information? I would like to roll that into my data if possible.

 

[OG_GF]

On NFL Fantasy Live they said Gates had a good matchup.

Hmmmmmm.

 

[(HULK)]

On NFL Fantasy Live they said Gates had a good matchup.

Hmmmmmm.

What are you doing over here? FFToday down?

I've got to decide between Green or Cameron this week, figure a lot of people in this thread have to do the same. Consider this my blackdot.

 

[JuniorNB]

On NFL Fantasy Live they said Gates had a good matchup.

Hmmmmmm.

What are you doing over here? FFToday down?

I've got to decide between Green or Cameron this week, figure a lot of people in this thread have to do the same. Consider this my blackdot.

Green or Pansy-### Jordan "I can't play, I have a headache" Reed for me. At least the pansy has an early game this time.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think that with Green's height and athletic ability, the Chargers are seeing how the Saints use Graham's attributes and are going to eventually try to turn him into that kind of a weapon. By this time next year, I could see him being a top 3-5 tight end in the league.

I think we all need to slow our roll a bit until we see his snap percentages after Royal gets back. People around here and other threads are talking like the 2 TE formation is now their base offense. Reality is most of those snaps were LG working from the slot in the role Royal normally plays. Until/unless LG proves to have overtaken Royal or Gates on the depth chart he is high risk for a bust any given week.

Interesting.

Maybe it's not so much about snaps, obviously being on the field is important, but opportunities & touches. Maybe Green's touches are not coming from Royal so much as from Woodhead in terms of the overall gameplan. And production begets more opportunities too of course. Green's doing a lot with these chances.

It started from the first play.

Ladarius Green was positioned out wide to the left. Antonio Gates was in-line, next to the right tackle.

The two receiving tight ends shared the field.

"That's a package we're building," Gates said. "It'll be good for us to help us win football games."

Gained in a Chargers loss Sunday to the Bengals was a long look at an offensive wrinkle. Gates and Green worked together, sometimes bunched with Green trotting pre-snap from one side of Gates to the other, and the result was Green's most action in any game of his NFL career.

It wasn't close, either.

A week earlier, the 23-year-old Green played a career-high 29 offensive snaps versus the Chiefs. He responded with four catches for a career-high 80 yards, including a 60-yard score that was his first NFL touchdown. Versus Cincinnati, he more than doubled that snap total, taking 61 of a possible 67 reps on offense.

Gates logged 62 plays.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/dec/02/chargers-ladarius-green-antonio-gates-tight-end/

 

[Isotopes]

If Gates has a good matchup, that means that Green has a good matchup also.

I think it is safe to assume he will get 5-7 targets. His ypc average is great - I think it is over 20 on the year...so he runs the deep/intermediate routes. Touchdowns are tough to predict, and he hasn't really scored from inside the 10 that I can see.....so, I think his floor is 2-3 catches for 40-50 yards....but has potential that is much higher. He has scored in two straight games, so the chances of him having a statline of 5-100-1 is not at all unrealistic.

 

[ImTheScientist]

They play different positions.

I guess what you are saying is that will the Chargers run more 2TE sets in the future? I think that this would have happened regardless of Royal's performance.

I watched the game and Green was mostly lined up in the slot. Sounds like you didn't see it.

 

[Phenix]

Last I checked, Royal is not anything special. Could easily be passed for snaps.

Especially for someone with a better skill set and a much bigger mismatch for opposing defenses.

 

[Isotopes]

What is Royals status? Is he likely to return or still a ?

 

[LawFitz]

Last I checked, Royal is not anything special. Could easily be passed for snaps.

Especially for someone with a better skill set and a much bigger mismatch for opposing defenses.

I don't disagree with this, but until it actually happens, there's a legit risk that it won't. What we Green owners need is for Royal to be out again this week and for LG to have a true breakout performance in his stead.

 

[The Hank]

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[LawFitz]

I think we all need to slow our roll a bit until we see his snap percentages after Royal gets back. People around here and other threads are talking like the 2 TE formation is now their base offense. Reality is most of those snaps were LG working from the slot in the role Royal normally plays. Until/unless LG proves to have overtaken Royal or Gates on the depth chart he is high risk for a bust any given week.

Law, where are you getting the lineup information? I would like to roll that into my data if possible.

NFL Game Rewind

The greatest fantasy football tool by far.

 

[JuniorNB]

They play different positions.

I guess what you are saying is that will the Chargers run more 2TE sets in the future? I think that this would have happened regardless of Royal's performance.

I watched the game and Green was mostly lined up in the slot. Sounds like you didn't see it.

The first part of your post was actually helpful. I thought maybe you grew up for thirty seconds. But then you had to add your little sissy dig. There's really no hope for you. You're just a little punk troll. Oh well. I guess that's how you get your jollies. Sad, really.

 

[ebsteelers]

On NFL Fantasy Live they said Gates had a good matchup.

Hmmmmmm.

What are you doing over here? FFToday down?

I've got to decide between Green or Cameron this week, figure a lot of people in this thread have to do the same. Consider this my blackdot.

cameron or clay for me... but considering green on the wire also.

fbg has cameron as the 4th ranked te this.. now i dk if they have higher cause they feel a lack of production from tes this week or just still confident in him

 

[steelwind]

Green is good for 80 yards 1 TD this week. Book it.

 

[cstu]

On NFL Fantasy Live they said Gates had a good matchup.

Hmmmmmm.

What are you doing over here? FFToday down?

I've got to decide between Green or Cameron this week, figure a lot of people in this thread have to do the same. Consider this my blackdot.

cameron or clay for me... but considering green on the wire also.

fbg has cameron as the 4th ranked te this.. now i dk if they have higher cause they feel a lack of production from tes this week or just still confident in him

I don't know how anyone could be confident in him when he did very little last week against the 2nd worst defense against TE's.

 

[battlebaby]

On NFL Fantasy Live they said Gates had a good matchup.

Hmmmmmm.

What are you doing over here? FFToday down?

I've got to decide between Green or Cameron this week, figure a lot of people in this thread have to do the same. Consider this my blackdot.

cameron or clay for me... but considering green on the wire also.

fbg has cameron as the 4th ranked te this.. now i dk if they have higher cause they feel a lack of production from tes this week or just still confident in him

I don't know how anyone could be confident in him when he did very little last week against the 2nd worst defense against TE's.

If you play Cameron, you're really hoping for the same thing that you're hoping for with Green...a TD. But while Green's been on a hot streak and is trending up, Cameron's been cold for a while and is still trending down...especially if Caleb Hanie is starting on Sunday. Giants haven't been playing great against TEs recently, and it's looking like Royal is going to sit out again this week...gotta go with Green.

 

[Pietaster2]

Green is good for 80 yards 1 TD this week. Book it.

It really looks like the stars are aligning for Green, doesn't it? Lesser known young player with great measurables who was down on the depth chart proves himself as the season wears on, gets opportunities, does much with them, and becomes an increasing part of an offense. This happens every year as teams figure out who they are. It happened earlier this year in San Diego when they figured out who Keenan Allen was. Now they're figuring out what they have in Green.

This is the late season WW gem that will win some people championships. This kind of upside can overcome other deficiencies on your roster. I'm all in. Waived Cameron for him and will bench Gates this weekend. Those guys haven't done much for me, now it's time to give the kid a shot.

 

[Isotopes]

On NFL Fantasy Live they said Gates had a good matchup.

Hmmmmmm.

What are you doing over here? FFToday down?

I've got to decide between Green or Cameron this week, figure a lot of people in this thread have to do the same. Consider this my blackdot.

cameron or clay for me... but considering green on the wire also.

fbg has cameron as the 4th ranked te this.. now i dk if they have higher cause they feel a lack of production from tes this week or just still confident in him

I don't know how anyone could be confident in him when he did very little last week against the 2nd worst defense against TE's.

His 13 points were a welcomed addition to my fantasy lineup.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

On NFL Fantasy Live they said Gates had a good matchup.

Hmmmmmm.

What are you doing over here? FFToday down?

I've got to decide between Green or Cameron this week, figure a lot of people in this thread have to do the same. Consider this my blackdot.

cameron or clay for me... but considering green on the wire also.

fbg has cameron as the 4th ranked te this.. now i dk if they have higher cause they feel a lack of production from tes this week or just still confident in him

About those rankings, they seem very data dependent, that is when situations like this arise where players for one reason or another (QB changes, injuries) start to decline FBG continues to rank them highly. I'd really like to ask them if they are looking at every single player's current situation or are they just plugging in? (By the way Bloom has Cameron much much much lower).

 

[Chaser1439]

Green is good for 80 yards 1 TD this week. Book it.

It really looks like the stars are aligning for Green, doesn't it? Lesser known young player with great measurables who was down on the depth chart proves himself as the season wears on, gets opportunities, does much with them, and becomes an increasing part of an offense. This happens every year as teams figure out who they are. It happened earlier this year in San Diego when they figured out who Keenan Allen was. Now they're figuring out what they have in Green.

This is the late season WW gem that will win some people championships. This kind of upside can overcome other deficiencies on your roster. I'm all in. Waived Cameron for him and will bench Gates this weekend. Those guys haven't done much for me, now it's time to give the kid a shot.

I have the same feeling about Green this week. I am having a hard time benching Julius Thomas for him, but with everything on the line, if Thomas is out, I will opt to go with Green over Martellus Bennett.

 

[socrates]

Gotta love the enthusiasm here. I am all in on Green's Dynasty value, but you cannot ignore what he is doing right now. With Royal's playing status in question, Green is looking like a solid play for fantasy playoff games this week! I have zero confidence that Jordan Cameron is anything more than a desperation play at this point. Last week, it was a bold move to plug Green into your lineup over Cameron. Now, given his recent trend, Green actually may be the safer play. Count me in.

 

[Phenix]

I'm in, but debating Cook instead against a horrible Arizona D against as the TE.

Ugh, these decisions can be the difference between a win and loss.

Count me in as drafting an elite TE early.

 

[Squintz82]

I'm really debating playing him over Fleener. While Fleener seems like a much safer play, Eddie Royal didn't practice again today and looks like Green could benefit.

 

[battlebaby]

I'm in, but debating Cook instead against a horrible Arizona D against as the TE.

Ugh, these decisions can be the difference between a win and loss.

Count me in as drafting an elite TE early.

If it helps in your decision at all...Scott Wells is out for the year and Jake Long is reportedly not looking likely to play this week. Rams OL will be struggling with the Cardinals' front 7, so they're likely going to need the TE to stay in to block more in this game.

 

[Phenix]

I'm in, but debating Cook instead against a horrible Arizona D against as the TE.

Ugh, these decisions can be the difference between a win and loss.

Count me in as drafting an elite TE early.

If it helps in your decision at all...Scott Wells is out for the year and Jake Long is reportedly not looking likely to play this week. Rams OL will be struggling with the Cardinals' front 7, so they're likely going to need the TE to stay in to block more in this game.

Some good points!

 

[Otis]

I'm in, but debating Cook instead against a horrible Arizona D against as the TE.

Ugh, these decisions can be the difference between a win and loss.

Count me in as drafting an elite TE early.

If it helps in your decision at all...Scott Wells is out for the year and Jake Long is reportedly not looking likely to play this week. Rams OL will be struggling with the Cardinals' front 7, so they're likely going to need the TE to stay in to block more in this game.

Or they'll need him to pop out as an extra safety valve for short dink and dunk gains....

 

[battlebaby]

I'm in, but debating Cook instead against a horrible Arizona D against as the TE.

Ugh, these decisions can be the difference between a win and loss.

Count me in as drafting an elite TE early.

If it helps in your decision at all...Scott Wells is out for the year and Jake Long is reportedly not looking likely to play this week. Rams OL will be struggling with the Cardinals' front 7, so they're likely going to need the TE to stay in to block more in this game.

Or they'll need him to pop out as an extra safety valve for short dink and dunk gains....

It's possible, but with how Cook torched ARI in Week 1, I can't imagine that Bowles wouldn't scheme the defense to account for him at all times, especially in the red zone. Take away that monster Week 1 game and Cook has been a ~4 catches for ~45 yards guy all year...only had a TD in 2 other games this year and has disappointed in similar "good on paper" match-ups (e.g., Week 3 @ DAL, Week 5 vs. JAX). He's not someone I'd feel good about rolling with even if the Rams OL was completely healthy, great match-up or not.

 

[Otis]

I'm in, but debating Cook instead against a horrible Arizona D against as the TE.

Ugh, these decisions can be the difference between a win and loss.

Count me in as drafting an elite TE early.

If it helps in your decision at all...Scott Wells is out for the year and Jake Long is reportedly not looking likely to play this week. Rams OL will be struggling with the Cardinals' front 7, so they're likely going to need the TE to stay in to block more in this game.

Or they'll need him to pop out as an extra safety valve for short dink and dunk gains....

It's possible, but with how Cook torched ARI in Week 1, I can't imagine that Bowles wouldn't scheme the defense to account for him at all times, especially in the red zone. Take away that monster Week 1 game and Cook has been a ~4 catches for ~45 yards guy all year...only had a TD in 2 other games this year and has disappointed in similar "good on paper" match-ups (e.g., Week 3 @ DAL, Week 5 vs. JAX). He's not someone I'd feel good about rolling with even if the Rams OL was completely healthy, great match-up or not.

Totally agree, just playing devil's advocate. No way I'd start Cook.

 

[Phenix]

Eddie Royal (chest/toe, questionable) missed practice again Friday.

San Diego's slot receiver hasn't practiced since October, and didn't play in last week's game. His Week 14 status is up in the air. With Royal out, the Chargers have begun playing two-tight end offense featuring Ladarius Green.

 

[timoleander]

Eddie Royal (chest/toe, questionable) missed practice again Friday.

San Diego's slot receiver hasn't practiced since October, and didn't play in last week's game. His Week 14 status is up in the air. With Royal out, the Chargers have begun playing two-tight end offense featuring Ladarius Green.

This might be the nudge I need to drop Jordan Cameron for Green. Cameron's 2-4 points isn't much to risk, I figure.

 

[Phenix]

Eddie Royal (chest/toe, questionable) missed practice again Friday.

San Diego's slot receiver hasn't practiced since October, and didn't play in last week's game. His Week 14 status is up in the air. With Royal out, the Chargers have begun playing two-tight end offense featuring Ladarius Green.

This might be the nudge I need to drop Jordan Cameron for Green. Cameron's 2-4 points isn't much to risk, I figure.

You have not picked him up already?

If Royal does not play, I believe this game will put Green on even the novice level fantasy players map.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

play him if Royal is out.

I can see coach McCoy getting creative with him even more.

It also takes pressure off of Keenan Allen

 

[timoleander]

Eddie Royal (chest/toe, questionable) missed practice again Friday.

San Diego's slot receiver hasn't practiced since October, and didn't play in last week's game. His Week 14 status is up in the air. With Royal out, the Chargers have begun playing two-tight end offense featuring Ladarius Green.

This might be the nudge I need to drop Jordan Cameron for Green. Cameron's 2-4 points isn't much to risk, I figure.

You have not picked him up already?

If Royal does not play, I believe this game will put Green on even the novice level fantasy players map.

I have a FAAB bid on him at this moment. Dropping Cameron for him, especially with news that Royal didn't practice again today.

"Receiver Eddie Royal (toe/chest) was the only San Diego player that did not practice on Friday." http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=san-diego-chargers&i=TWT&id=2308&w=1divj&src=desktop&wjb

 

[steelwind]

100 yards and 2 TDs this week. Book it.