La'el Collins stock just dropped (2 Viewers)

[Faust]

Draft wait continues for LSU lineman La'el Collins:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000489903/article/draft-wait-continues-for-lsu-lineman-lael-collins

 

[Deamon]

Rumours are he's going today. I'm sure the team that takes him will first get his word (or in writing if that's allowed) that he'll sign.

 

[Max Power]

Not looking good for the kid. This is about the only draft story left for me to follow.

 

[Insein]

Supposedly if he gets drafted hr can choose to not sign with that team and go back in the draft next year. If he gets undrafted he can't go back next year.

 

[David Dodds]

Crazy for teams not to take a chance at this late stage on him. Yes I know he says he won't sign, but if no charges get brought, what's he really going to do to even be a 4th round selection next year (without playing college football)?

 

[Pantherz]

So now he can't enter the draft in 2016. If he signs as an UDFA, he will be severely limited with how much a team can pay him. Did his agent make a huge mistake by telling teams he wouldn't sign? I don't see what they accomplished here.

 

[Freelove]

I'm sure plenty of interested teams contacted his agent.

If drafted, he was guaranteed the right to sit out and re-enter in 2016. Precedents have been set, and all that. I likewise assume his agent assured teams that this was precisely what he'd do -- not the worst plan in the world, for a guy with first round talent and no real interest in risking life and limb for a huge paycut.

If undrafted, he might be able to get into next year's draft, but odds seem against it. Greg Aiello certainly already said no, and there's plenty of reason to believe he would have to go the FA route. So if you're a team actually hoping to draft him, not drafting him might be the only chance you have.

 

[cstu]

Crazy for teams not to take a chance at this late stage on him. Yes I know he says he won't sign, but if no charges get brought, what's he really going to do to even be a 4th round selection next year (without playing college football)?

Let's be real here, David - if teams believed he had any chance of being innocent they would have drafted him in the 7th.

 

[Freelove]

So now he can't enter the draft in 2016. If he signs as an UDFA, he will be severely limited with how much a team can pay him. Did his agent make a huge mistake by telling teams he wouldn't sign? I don't see what they accomplished here.

Seems like there may be a battle about the CBA language looming.

 

[Max Power]

Can't a free agent sign for any rate? Is there still a rookie scale for udfas?

 

[ZWK]

If Tennessee drafted him, every news story about him would say "Tennessee Titan La'El Collins". That's the main downside in the second half of the draft. If you think it's not worth taking that risk in the 4th round in order to get a 1st round talent, then it's probably not worth it to you to take that risk in the 7th round either.

 

[David Dodds]

Crazy for teams not to take a chance at this late stage on him. Yes I know he says he won't sign, but if no charges get brought, what's he really going to do to even be a 4th round selection next year (without playing college football)?

Let's be real here, David - if teams believed he had any chance of being innocent they would have drafted him in the 7th.

Being innocent and being charged can be two different things. He is a very big man. I am going to guess even if he is implicated in this, he will not have been the trigger man. So until they have the killer in custody, it might be very hard to connect any dots (if he is guilty).

1st round talent. If he even has a 10% chance of not being charged, it's not worth the risk in the 7th round? How many 7th round players actually contribute?

 

[msommer]

Can't a free agent sign for any rate? Is there still a rookie scale for udfas?

Apparently there is according to nfl.com. question is, though, is that set in stone on the basis of accrued years or does it switch off next off season?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Crazy for teams not to take a chance at this late stage on him. Yes I know he says he won't sign, but if no charges get brought, what's he really going to do to even be a 4th round selection next year (without playing college football)?

Let's be real here, David - if teams believed he had any chance of being innocent they would have drafted him in the 7th.

Being innocent and being charged can be two different things. He is a very big man. I am going to guess even if he is implicated in this, he will not have been the trigger man. So until they have the killer in custody, it might be very hard to connect any dots (if he is guilty).

1st round talent. If he even has a 10% chance of not being charged, it's not worth the risk in the 7th round? How many 7th round players actually contribute?

so, you draft him, he refuses to sign, then he goes back in the draft --- you just wasted that pick.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Can't a free agent sign for any rate? Is there still a rookie scale for udfas?

no, there's a scale

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Can't a free agent sign for any rate? Is there still a rookie scale for udfas?

no, there's a scale

Yeah, there is an allotted money pool for bonuses and no more than the minimum salary.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/5/10/5703808/undrafted-free-agent-signings-tracker-2014-nfl-draft

 

[David Dodds]

so, you draft him, he refuses to sign, then he goes back in the draft --- you just wasted that pick.

That's the risk every time you select a player that significantly slides down the board. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu may not sign for 7th round money either. You take the risk to lock up their rights for a year.

 

[cstu]

Crazy for teams not to take a chance at this late stage on him. Yes I know he says he won't sign, but if no charges get brought, what's he really going to do to even be a 4th round selection next year (without playing college football)?

Let's be real here, David - if teams believed he had any chance of being innocent they would have drafted him in the 7th.

Being innocent and being charged can be two different things. He is a very big man. I am going to guess even if he is implicated in this, he will not have been the trigger man. So until they have the killer in custody, it might be very hard to connect any dots (if he is guilty).

1st round talent. If he even has a 10% chance of not being charged, it's not worth the risk in the 7th round? How many 7th round players actually contribute?

That's my point - I don't think he has anywhere near a 10% chance of not being charged.

Someone who knew her well murdered a pregnant woman and there appear to be no other potential suspects.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

so, you draft him, he refuses to sign, then he goes back in the draft --- you just wasted that pick.

That's the risk every time you select a player that significantly slides down the board. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu may not sign for 7th round money either. You take the risk to lock up their rights for a year.

yeah, but this dude has come right out and said he won't sign -- there's no gambling.

plus, you have to use a common sense approach to the dynamics of this --- what happens if ekpre-whosis doesn't sign?

this just happens to be a very unusual case --- how often do 7th round guys refuse to sign and go back into the draft?

 

[David Dodds]

That's my point - I don't think he has anywhere near a 10% chance of not being charged.

Someone who knew her well murdered a pregnant woman and there appear to be no other potential suspects.

Yes I get that some teams would agree with your assessment, but all 32 think it's a slam dunk that he is charged? I doubt they know any more than what we know. A pregnant woman (likely carrying his baby) was murdered. Sure he deserves to be the primary suspect, but in this country you only get charged when they can PROVE you had a hand in this crime. Motive alone does not convict someone. Perhaps it is a slam dunk case, but I have not heard anything yet to indicate that. When OJ was able to beat murder, I think there is always a chance in a jury trial.

It looks like teams would rather just negotiate with him on their terms (when they know more) as an unrestricted free agent. I am just shocked by it is all.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Crazy for teams not to take a chance at this late stage on him. Yes I know he says he won't sign, but if no charges get brought, what's he really going to do to even be a 4th round selection next year (without playing college football)?

Let's be real here, David - if teams believed he had any chance of being innocent they would have drafted him in the 7th.

Being innocent and being charged can be two different things. He is a very big man. I am going to guess even if he is implicated in this, he will not have been the trigger man. So until they have the killer in custody, it might be very hard to connect any dots (if he is guilty).

1st round talent. If he even has a 10% chance of not being charged, it's not worth the risk in the 7th round? How many 7th round players actually contribute?

That's my point - I don't think he has anywhere near a 10% chance of not being charged.

Someone who knew her well murdered a pregnant woman and there appear to be no other potential suspects.

I really don't read about or follow any of these kinds of stories, but why is it the guy who impregnated her has to be the guy who murdered her?

I'm assuming this is actually the baby daddy

 

[David Dodds]

yeah, but this dude has come right out and said he won't sign -- there's no gambling.

plus, you have to use a common sense approach to the dynamics of this --- what happens if ekpre-whosis doesn't sign?

this just happens to be a very unusual case --- how often do 7th round guys refuse to sign and go back into the draft?

His agent, who gets paid by the size of the deal, has said it. And he said it before day 2 started likely in an attempt to get someone to use an earlier pick on him. If he does not get charged, and goes back in the draft, I doubt he will go before the 4th round a year removed from college football. Money is still going to suck. and he will have lost a year of money.

 

[Willie Neslon]

There would be a PR hit teams just don't want to take, especially in the wake of the Aaron Hernandez murder. "(team) drafts player who is person of interest in murder of pregnant woman." Sends a bad message and the NFL is hyper concerned about image these days.

 

[Mister CIA]

My suspicion is that there is an ongoing phone/text history between Collins and the victim and law enforcement is fully aware; and so is the NFL. I'm not saying the guy is guilty, but it sure feels like dots are being connected.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I think these recent events with hernandez, rice, and peterson have scared teams off this kind of controversy.

they actually mentioned it on the nfl coverage --- I was only half listening but I think it was mayock who said he called 5 or 6 gm's about this and they basically said he needs to put himself in their shoes and think about what kind of problems it creates for the team.

 

[David Dodds]

My suspicion is that there is an ongoing phone/text history between Collins and the victim and law enforcement is fully aware; and so is the NFL. I'm not saying the guy is guilty, but it sure feels like dots are being connected.

Yes there may very well be. We will know soon if he shows up to any team for a workout.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

if he was completely exonerated and they find the real killers, I wonder if his best option would be to play a year in canada, or something like that.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

My suspicion is that there is an ongoing phone/text history between Collins and the victim and law enforcement is fully aware; and so is the NFL. I'm not saying the guy is guilty, but it sure feels like dots are being connected.

Yes there may very well be. We will know soon if he shows up to any team for a workout.

pretty sure he's been worked out already as much as he needs to be by anybody interested

 

[Mister CIA]

if he was completely exonerated and they find the real killers, I wonder if his best option would be to play a year in canada, or something like that.

If he's innocent his best option is to ramp up his workout routine to 11 and post links daily on youtube (and never say a word).

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Profootballtalk reports LSU G/T La'El Collins "plans to sign with a team after he is cleared."

 

[lod01]

If I was a GM I would have used a 7th on him simply because how often does a 7th rounder even do something. Teams really over rate their 6th and 7th rd. draft picks.

 

[Faust]

La'el Collins goes undrafted; not eligible for '16 draft

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000490639/article/lael-collins-goes-undrafted-not-eligible-for-16-draft

 

[Faust]

Limited options for La'el Collins after he goes undrafted in 2015 NFL draft:

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/02/lael-collins-undrafted-2015-nfl-draft

 

[Chasers Dawg]

if he was completely exonerated and they find the real killers, I wonder if his best option would be to play a year in canada, or something like that.

They have to sign 2 yr deals in the CFL and the NFL honors them. Not sure how that works with NFL Rookie status years

 

[Dr Oadi]

Crazy for teams not to take a chance at this late stage on him. Yes I know he says he won't sign, but if no charges get brought, what's he really going to do to even be a 4th round selection next year (without playing college football)?

Let's be real here, David - if teams believed he had any chance of being innocent they would have drafted him in the 7th.

Being innocent and being charged can be two different things. He is a very big man. I am going to guess even if he is implicated in this, he will not have been the trigger man. So until they have the killer in custody, it might be very hard to connect any dots (if he is guilty).

1st round talent. If he even has a 10% chance of not being charged, it's not worth the risk in the 7th round? How many 7th round players actually contribute?

No team is going to sign a player who is being questioned in the death of a woman. Head lines. NFL Team Drafts woman killer. Protests scheduled at noon.

 

[Raider Nation]

Fascinating and tragic all at once. I'm torn on whether I'd want the Raiders to sign him. On the one hand, it's highway robbery if he had nothing do with it. On the other hand, if he indeed contracted someone to kill her at his behest, the team comes off looking horrible.

 

[davearm]

Crazy for teams not to take a chance at this late stage on him. Yes I know he says he won't sign, but if no charges get brought, what's he really going to do to even be a 4th round selection next year (without playing college football)?

Let's be real here, David - if teams believed he had any chance of being innocent they would have drafted him in the 7th.

Being innocent and being charged can be two different things. He is a very big man. I am going to guess even if he is implicated in this, he will not have been the trigger man. So until they have the killer in custody, it might be very hard to connect any dots (if he is guilty).

1st round talent. If he even has a 10% chance of not being charged, it's not worth the risk in the 7th round? How many 7th round players actually contribute?

That's my point - I don't think he has anywhere near a 10% chance of not being charged.

Someone who knew her well murdered a pregnant woman and there appear to be no other potential suspects.

You have no idea what other suspects the police have identified.

And you definitely have no idea if the perp knew the victim well.

 

[Bob Magaw]

There may have been reports police were operating under the assumption that the victim knew the murderer, and may have let them into her residence.

Assuming Collins was not the only person she knew, that in itself wouldn't point exclusively to one person.

 

[cstu]

You have no idea what other suspects the police have identified.

And you definitely have no idea if the perp knew the victim well.

You know what I do know? That Collins just lost $5M and hasn't been seen anywhere.

 

[Shawnky]

Good god. Couple of you are coming off as straight up aholes

 

[Jeremy's Spoken]

You have no idea what other suspects the police have identified.

And you definitely have no idea if the perp knew the victim well.

You know what I do know? That Collins just lost $5M and hasn't been seen anywhere.

This says a lot!!!

If he could have said something to save his draft status - he would have!

I guarantee he knows who killed her...

 

[Bob Magaw]

You have no idea what other suspects the police have identified.

And you definitely have no idea if the perp knew the victim well.

You know what I do know? That Collins just lost $5M and hasn't been seen anywhere.

The police reportedly have scheduled an interview for Monday. I wouldn't expect a barnstorming tour or press junket in the interim.

 

[cstu]

You have no idea what other suspects the police have identified.

And you definitely have no idea if the perp knew the victim well.

You know what I do know? That Collins just lost $5M and hasn't been seen anywhere.

The police reportedly have scheduled an interview for Monday. I wouldn't expect a barnstorming tour or press junket in the interim.

Why not if he's completely innocent (no bad break up, couldn't be the father)?

 

[cstu]

Anyone want to take bets with me on his innocence?

If he isn't charged or is found not guilty, you win, if he's found guilty, I win.

 

[trader jake]

so, you draft him, he refuses to sign, then he goes back in the draft --- you just wasted that pick.

That's the risk every time you select a player that significantly slides down the board. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu may not sign for 7th round money either. You take the risk to lock up their rights for a year.

Apples and oranges, no?

 

[Bob Magaw]

You have no idea what other suspects the police have identified.

And you definitely have no idea if the perp knew the victim well.

You know what I do know? That Collins just lost $5M and hasn't been seen anywhere.

The police reportedly have scheduled an interview for Monday. I wouldn't expect a barnstorming tour or press junket in the interim.

Why not if he's completely innocent (no bad break up, couldn't be the father)?

For reasons related to it not being a good idea to not hire a lawyer.

You realize potentially being the father and not being the murderer aren't mutually exclusive propositions?

Earlier you went on about how he should initiate talks with the police, and the fact that he hadn't, pointed to his guilt. Than it came out that the police would schedule an interview later. Your criticism was incoherent in that context.

 

[domvin]

If I am a gm, I still snag with a 5th, 6th, or 7th, and promise the intent to compensate accordingly based on talent. Hell, 4th rounders get cut, let alone 6th and 7th rounders. Backlash would not deter me.......guy is innocent right now and has an impeccable history

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

If I am a gm, I still snag with a 5th, 6th, or 7th, and promise the intent to compensate accordingly based on talent. Hell, 4th rounders get cut, let alone 6th and 7th rounders. Backlash would not deter me.......guy is innocent right now and has an impeccable history

wat

 

[Faust]

Examining why it's better for La'el Collins that he went undrafted:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25172161/examining-why-its-better-for-lael-collins-that-he-went-undrafted

 

[Sweetness_34]

After the recent Ray Rice, ADP, Greg Hardy, Aaron Hernandez fiascos, no NFL team wants to deal with these negative headlines. Also, if Collins was drafted today and refused to sign, he could have re-entered the draft next year. By not getting drafted, now he cannot re-enter the draft next year.