LATERAL to Williams -- TD Pass for Culpepper ? (1 Viewer)

[bonscott]

This is the correct way to score this:Culpepper: 59 yard TD passMoss: 1 Reception 44 yards recievingM. Williams: 0 Receptions 15 yard recieving TDScore and award bonus points accordingly.

Fanball is scoring it as a 15 rushing TD for Moe, which is correct. NFL.COM will change that box score I guarantee it. No way that is a passing TD for Culp.

You might want to check on your Fanball message board where they posted this:

As posted by Charch in the Commissioner Forum:We've talked with Elias this morning, and we'll be ruling it as follows:- Culpepper gets credit for a 59-yard touchdown pass.- Moss gets a reception and the yardage before the lateral, 44 yards.- Moe gets a 15-yard receiving touchdown, but no reception on the play.

Sounds like it will get changed to the way the NFL and Elias sports is scoring the official stat. Pretty much every service I know of is scoring this as a C-Pepp 59 yard TD pass, as it should be. Some of you may not like it but come on, this is the way the NFL scores these types of plays in the stats and has done so for over a decade. Why are you questioning it?

 

[Marvelous]

I'll make some quick comments:1. For stat purposes, a lateral is treated exactly like a handoff. It really is not a pass. So if the qb lateral to a rb who then runs the ball, it is a running play and the linemen can block as they would on a running play.2. The lateral does not change a passing play into a running play. On a passing play, it is all yards after the catch when it occurs after the catch.3. As others have mentioned, Culpepper gets 1 completions, 59 yds, 1 td. Moss gets 1 reception, 44 yards, Williams, 0 receptions, 15 yards receiving, 1 td receiving. Whether you agree with the logic or not, this is how the NFL will score it and compile the stats.4. Last year, there was a play were Vick threw the ball and it was batted up in the air. An offensive lineman caught the ball, like 12 yards behind the line of scrimage. He laterals to Vick, who runs for 27 yards (no td). I went through the stats for the whole game. Vick was credited for 1 pass completion for 15 yards and 0 receptions for 27 yards.

 

[quadcity]

Unless you own Pep, why do most of you guys follow the "not for fantasy" NFL rule book? Seriously, score the play (all plays) in FF logically and not necessarily the way the NFL interprets its owns freak plays.Pep gets passing yards to Moss.Moss gets receiving yards from Pep.Moe gets rushing yards and the TD.Pep does not get the passing TD because he did not throw it to Moe (logic). Had Moss been tackled this would not be an issue (logic and fact).Moe does not get receiving yards because he did not catch a pass that originated from behind the line of scrimmage (logic and the first pass play ended when moss lateraled the ball and hence became the backwards pass and no more than one forward pass is allowed).If anything, I could see Moss owners wanting points for a heads up play or Moe owners wanting even more for a heads up play.Either way, Moe gets the TD since he crossed the goaline.Quad

 

[Raptors]

The official on the field ruled that Moss made a backward "PASS" - seems to me he should get a TD credit...(Moss owner)

To my knowledge there is no such thing as a "backwards pass". By defintion a ball tossed backwards is a lateral (even if thrown by the QB). Therefore any "backwards pass" is actually a running play. The NFL rules are very clear about this and if a pass thrown backwards is not caught, the ball is live (and is a fumble).

 

[Raptors]

CPep to Moss = pass (no dispute here)Moss to Moe = lateral = rushing play (by definition any "backwards pass/lateral" is a rushing play as the ball is live)I fully expect when the NFL reviews this play later in the week it wil be scored as follows:CPep - 44 yards passing, 0 TDsMoss - 44 yards receiving, 0 TDsMoe - 15 yards rushing, 1 rushing TD

 

[Nomad]

I fully expect when the NFL reviews this play later in the week it wil be scored as follows:CPep - 44 yards passing, 0 TDsMoss - 44 yards receiving, 0 TDsMoe - 15 yards rushing, 1 rushing TD

They haven't in the previous instances of exactly the same occurance or nearly the same, so why would they now?

 

[bryhamm]

I agree with Furman here. Once the ball crosses the line of scrimmage, the type of play is in essence "locked in". Once the ball left Culpepper's hand and was caught, everything else is YAC (yards after catch).Those suggesting that it becomes a rush once Moss laterals the ball are saying that this should be scored as a passing and a rushing play. How can you look in the stats and see 1 rushing attempt and 1 pass completion/reception for only 1 play.This is why Moe Williams is credited with receiving yards (YAC) but no reception. You cannot have 2 receptions on only 1 play from scrimmage.

 

[AB in DC]

Yes, and remember folks, it's not like this is the first time this has happened. Every time I remember seeing it, it has always been scored just as Elias/NFL score it here: a passing TD and all the passing yards for the QB, a reception and the partial yardage to the pass receiver, and the rest of the receiving yards and TD (but no reception) to the recipient of the lateral. Yes, it is weird that a player can have 0 receptions for 15 yards, but it is a pass play, so it's a natural ruling.

 

[rambunxious]

Two points:1.) For anybody using CBS SportsLine as a source of "official" information, check again. In the same game, Rod Smith was reported to have a LOST fumble accoring to CBS. However, officially, it was a FORCED fumble (it was the play where Chavous made an INT, Smith stripped him, and Johnstone recovered for the Vikings. So let's please forget about the NFL.com/CBS SportsLine "official" scoring. My league's all did NOT charge Smith with a fumble lost, even though CBS SportsLine called it one.2.) For those of you stating Moss' lateral was a "backward pass", there is NO SUCH THING. It's called a lateral for a reason. The result of a lateral is NOT a pass. It's rushing yards from that point forward. ESPN.com at least has some freakin' knowledge.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

I was wondering when the call would be posted correctly. Culpepper has to get a TD pass because it wasn't a fumble. Williams gets a receiving TD but no reception and Moss would have to get 49-50 yards and the reception.

 

[Nomad]

2.) For those of you stating Moss' lateral was a "backward pass", there is NO SUCH THING. It's called a lateral for a reason. The result of a lateral is NOT a pass. It's rushing yards from that point forward. ESPN.com at least has some freakin' knowledge.

Two points:1) The NFL rulebook defines a Backward Pass (see earlier post) so clearly there is SUCH A THING, but you are partially right on the rest of your statement, which leads us to...2) The resulting yards after a backward pass are dependent upon the manner in which in the ball first crossed the line of scrimmage. If it was via a forward pass, yards after the catch (whether by the receiver of the forward pass or by a teammate who catches a subsequent backward pass) are categorized as receiving yards [see prior example from 1994 involving Marino and Keith Jackson; and prior example regarding Tiki Barber and Ron Dixon]. If the ball is first advanced over the line of scrimmage via a rush, all yards after that point are considered rushing yards, even if the original rusher throws a backward pass to a teammate [see prior example of Trung Canidate].

 

[gigantor]

any new news on this crap?

 

[bonscott]

Any news about what? NFL and Elias scored the play the way that type of play has been scored for the last 20 years. What kind of news are you looking for? The stats aren't going to change so all you people who think "it's not right" need to just get over it because it's scored this way every time. If your league rules disagree for some really odd reason then simply change your scores and quit complaining about it. Most real league commish services allow the Commish to manualy change scores if needed so just do it.

 

[Oils_well]

I wonder how this would have been scored if he did "fumble" it forward.would they blow it dead as a forward lateral if someone punched the ball out and it went forward and another plauyer on the same team caught it.if not how would it then be scored????adding fuel to the fire

 

[TheLaw]

I had no idea that the nfl considers latterals to be forward passes.... I told our league that laterals would be considered handoffs because in my view theres not a bit of difference between a toss sweep pitch and a lateral .....just the player delivering the ball and that a lateral would be scored as a rushing td......

A toss play is considered a RUN because it begins behind the line of scrimmage - the player receiving the toss may still make a forward pass up to the point he crosses the line of scrimmage.A LATERAL happens once the line of scrimmage is crossed and is basically a continuation of the initial play.How is yardage from options kept track of in a BOX score in NCAA - I suspect laterals are the same as option pitches made past the line of scrimmage.I dont know if I made any sense at all just now . . .just rambling here . . .

 

[the hairy scotsman]

The official on the field ruled that Moss made a backward "PASS" - seems to me he should get a TD credit...(Moss owner)

With that absurd logic, shouldnt the qb get credit for a pass td on a running play cause a toss play is a "backwards pass." The term pass is a misnomer. A pass needs to be forward, going across the line of scrimage. Otherwise this "backwards pass" is a lateral and your arguement holds no water... not even a drop.

Exactly. The ref is not a scorer. He's a ref. When he said "backward pass" the official scorer didn't get all hung up on that. He had bigger fish to fry. Besides, the scorer knew the ref meant "lateral".

 

[gigantor]

Any news about what? NFL and Elias scored the play the way that type of play has been scored for the last 20 years. What kind of news are you looking for? The stats aren't going to change so all you people who think "it's not right" need to just get over it because it's scored this way every time. If your league rules disagree for some really odd reason then simply change your scores and quit complaining about it. Most real league commish services allow the Commish to manualy change scores if needed so just do it.

calm down there chief.news meaning any official scoring.I see 3 different scores on 3 different nfl sites..

 

[Nomad]

I wonder how this would have been scored if he did "fumble" it forward.would they blow it dead as a forward lateral if someone punched the ball out and it went forward and another plauyer on the same team caught it.if not how would it then be scored????adding fuel to the fire

A fumble after the two-minute warning can only be advanced by the player who fumbled, or his opponent.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Any news about what? NFL and Elias scored the play the way that type of play has been scored for the last 20 years. What kind of news are you looking for? The stats aren't going to change so all you people who think "it's not right" need to just get over it because it's scored this way every time. If your league rules disagree for some really odd reason then simply change your scores and quit complaining about it. Most real league commish services allow the Commish to manualy change scores if needed so just do it.

My thoughts Exactly!

 

[bonscott]

calm down there chief.news meaning any official scoring.I see 3 different scores on 3 different nfl sites..

All that matters is the NFL Gamebook: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL...0031019_DEN@MIN Sometimes the Gamebooks are updated, sometimes not. What Elias says is the bible.Box scores are rarely updated (ok, how many times a week must this be said? ) It has also been posted what Elias (official NFL stats keepers) officialy recorded the stats as was posted above. There is nothing more to say, is there?