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Lawrence Timmons (1 Viewer)

Jene Bramel

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There was a lot of discussion about Timmons' prospects immediately after the 2006 draft -- from how he'd fit into the 3-4 to whether Tomlin foresaw him as a future 4-3 Tampa-2 WLB to whether he was athletic and instinctive enough to ever have any impact at all. Either way, he's about as far off the radar as a top fifteen overall NFL draftee can be.

There were hints of this all offseason long, but if you haven't been keeping half an eye on Timmons recently, here's another heads-up. The quotes in this story suggest that it may be more than the usual May-June fluff piece.

From the FBG Blogger (which BTW is making a strong effort to include more IDP stories :shrug: ):

Timmons seems poised to oust Foote at inside LB

Wednesday, June 11, 2008

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Matt Freed/Post-Gazette

Steelers 2007 No. 1 draft pick Lawrence Timmons.

As Big Brown discovered, nothing is a sure thing in sports, not even a 1-7 shot. The closest, though, might be this: If you're drafted in the first round by the Steelers, you will have a starting job no later than your second pro season.

Only one of their first-round draft choices did not become a regular starter by at least his second season since the infamous Huey Richardson in 1991. That was offensive tackle Jamain Stephens, a monumental bust of a pick in '96. Stephens did not become a regular until '98 and was cut the night after he collapsed, out of shape, during running drills on the first day of training camp the next season.

Those are the cold, hard facts that face Larry Foote as he tries to hold onto his starting job at inside linebacker this spring and summer. Foote has been the Steelers' starting mack inside linebacker the past four seasons, lining up next to James Farrior. During that time, he started all 64 games and led the team with 123 tackles in 2005, despite not playing in their dime defense on passing downs.

Looming large behind him on the spring depth chart is Lawrence Timmons, the Steelers' first-round choice in 2007, the 15th overall pick and the first under Mike Tomlin's watch.

The result of the competition going on at the mack linebacker looks inevitable.

"I don't think it's competition," Foote said after another spring practice. "I really think it's just a matter of time until they throw him in there, just because of the politics of the game -- and it looks like he can play."

That's a major difference between Timmons and Stephens/Richardson, each of whom showed a stunning inability to play on the pro level right from the start. Timmons played mostly on special teams last season and has displayed great speed and quickness in practices.

He must show he knows the defense and has the football instincts that mesmerized Tomlin when he saw him at Florida State.

"We don't know yet because he hasn't been out there," Foote said of Timmons' limited play in games, "but it looks like he can get it down.

"My time might be winding down at that position. It's just a matter of when the coaches throw him in there."

Foote won't give up his four-year hold on the job without a fight, despite his words that merely reflect an understanding of the situation.

"My whole career has been up and down. I've been in this spot before. You can't worry about that stuff. When they feel like he's ready, I'm quite sure he's going to be in there."

Farrior was a first-round draft choice of the New York Jets who had trouble finding a regular position until he signed with the Steelers as a free agent in 2002 and flourished here. He, too, believes Timmons can handle the job, but will have to pry it away from Foote's grasp first.

"It's not going to be an easy win if he's trying to take the spot," Farrior said. "We all want to win and we all want to do what's best for the team. Whatever that is and whatever the coaches ask us to do we have to do."

It's feasible that ultimately Timmons could play the buck linebacker position, the one Farrior holds. Barring injuries, that won't happen this season, but Farrior, 33, enters the final season of his contract, and Timmons' abilities seem suited more for the buck than the mack.

The buck must drop and cover receivers more often, must be quick and fast -- it's a more athletic position. The buck usually stays on the field in the dime defense as the lone inside linebacker; he's the one who calls the defensive signals, and Farrior will wear the helmet with the radio receiver in it this season.

Tomlin does not publicly analyze the various competitions on his team this spring, but he's known to be excited about Timmons' possibilities. He's having a much better time of it than he did as a rookie, when his hamstring was injured in the first minicamp practice and he missed the rest of the spring drills with his new teammates.

"He's healthy, for one," Farrior said. "And I think this offseason gave him some time to reflect and look back on the defense and try to really understand it. I think he's coming along just fine."
 
I'd been watching this development very closely, and was trying to gauge just how early to take him in the inaugural Phalanx all-IDP draft . Started sweating in round 7 when the stories started to come out about him likely displacing Foote, and by round 9 felt that the buzz was getting so loud I couldn't put off selecting him for another round. I have no idea how much further he would have fallen if I hadn't taken him when I did, although a few guys in the league mentioned later that he was coming onto their radar at that point. I'm curious where he's going in other IDP drafts. As Jene mentioned, most folks initially figured Pittsburgh's selection of Timmons signaled a shift to a 4-3 - particularly since Timmons' skill set seems perfectly suited to the Tampa-2 WILL spot - and were kind of dismayed when the new regime didn't install it. I'm still not convinced he's got the size or ability to shed blocks and fight through trash that he'll need to have in order to thrive at ILB in their 3-4, but I do expect him to be a bigger playmaker - both in coverage and in blitzing - than Foote ever was. Anyway, now that Jene has put his imprimatur on the development, the cat is officially out of the bag and there's no pretending otherwise at this point. :unsure:

 
I'd been watching this development very closely, and was trying to gauge just how early to take him in the inaugural Phalanx all-IDP draft . Started sweating in round 7 when the stories started to come out about him likely displacing Foote, and by round 9 felt that the buzz was getting so loud I couldn't put off selecting him for another round. I have no idea how much further he would have fallen if I hadn't taken him when I did, although a few guys in the league mentioned later that he was coming onto their radar at that point. I'm curious where he's going in other IDP drafts. As Jene mentioned, most folks initially figured Pittsburgh's selection of Timmons signaled a shift to a 4-3 - particularly since Timmons' skill set seems perfectly suited to the Tampa-2 WILL spot - and were kind of dismayed when the new regime didn't install it. I'm still not convinced he's got the size or ability to shed blocks and fight through trash that he'll need to have in order to thrive at ILB in their 3-4, but I do expect him to be a bigger playmaker - both in coverage and in blitzing - than Foote ever was. Anyway, now that Jene has put his imprimatur on the development, the cat is officially out of the bag and there's no pretending otherwise at this point. :lmao:
Your lucky you got him where you did - I had him qued up with my next pick :confused: I have had him on my list to draft for over a month.
 
Good stuff :goodposting: ... surprised to see Timmons play inside.

Another article on Timmons

Timmons picks up pace

Timmons, though, remains the second-team Mack backer behind Foote. But Timmons is the first-team dime backer, and that’s his main focus right now.

 
Anyone care to speculate what type of numbers Timmons can put up if he wins a starting spot? Where does he seem to shake out over the long haul?

Is he a LB4 if he starts this year with potential to be a LB2 at his peak for example?

 
Anyone care to speculate what type of numbers Timmons can put up if he wins a starting spot? Where does he seem to shake out over the long haul?Is he a LB4 if he starts this year with potential to be a LB2 at his peak for example?
I think the LB4 with LB2 upside is reasonable when he wins a starting role. He's likely to do much better than Larry Foote. Somewhere in the 80-89 solo tackle range is possible if he plays the dime linebacker role and the Steeler tackle opportunity comes back to the mean.
 
Timmons doesn't start in opener

Linebacker Lawrence Timmons ... didn't start Friday night's preseason opener at Heinz Field against Philadelphia, but he still was a busy man. Timmons replaced inside linebacker Larry Foote in the two-linebackers, five-defensive backs "nickel" defense during Philadelphia's first drive. The Steelers went with the "nickel," which is employed when a pass is expected, extensively during the Eagles' 14-play, 70-yard march for a field goal. Timmons helped hold the Eagles to three points on their opening possession by providing coverage -- with a little help from strong safety Tyrone Carter -- on a pass from quarterback Donovan McNabb to wide receiver Jason Avant on third-and-7 from the Steelers' 10-yard line. Avant caught the ball but couldn't get his feet down in the back of the end zone.

Timmons also appeared with the first-team kickoff return, kickoff and punt units.
 
After tonites game... the writing is squarley on the wall.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Timmons

:goodposting: :thanks: :thumbdown: Foote

Time is running out for fantasy owners to make a move before the team announces a change.

 
After tonites game... the writing is squarley on the wall. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Timmons :shrug: :hifive: :shrug: Foote Time is running out for fantasy owners to make a move before the team announces a change.
Good news... I didn't see the game, unfortunately. (Don't get me started about NFLN :) ). Timmons looked good?
 
After tonites game... the writing is squarley on the wall.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Timmons

:no: :goodposting: :mellow: Foote

Time is running out for fantasy owners to make a move before the team announces a change.
Good news... I didn't see the game, unfortunately. (Don't get me started about NFLN :) ). Timmons looked good?
I just watched the replay of the entire game here and on this evidence I can't see them keeping Timmons off the field. Foote is an absolute liability now, and can neither cover (he was primarily responsible for both TDs to Royal) nor hit a moving target. He's just. too. slow. Timmons, on the other hand, was the complete package: stout in run support, solid in coverage, and an absolute terror rushing the passer. He created all kinds of havoc on the blitz, getting one big sack, and forcing the QB into bad throws or scrambles on other occasions. The prospect of Woodley, Harrison and Timmons pinning back their ears on passing downs is going to give OCs nightmares. I won't be surprised if all three of these guys get 6-8 sacks this year and at least one pushes double-digits. They're that nasty.
 
After tonites game... the writing is squarley on the wall.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Timmons

:goodposting: :lmao: :thumbdown: Foote

Time is running out for fantasy owners to make a move before the team announces a change.
Good news... I didn't see the game, unfortunately. (Don't get me started about NFLN :) ). Timmons looked good?
I just watched the replay of the entire game here and on this evidence I can't see them keeping Timmons off the field. Foote is an absolute liability now, and can neither cover (he was primarily responsible for both TDs to Royal) nor hit a moving target. He's just. too. slow. Timmons, on the other hand, was the complete package: stout in run support, solid in coverage, and an absolute terror rushing the passer. He created all kinds of havoc on the blitz, getting one big sack, and forcing the QB into bad throws or scrambles on other occasions. The prospect of Woodley, Harrison and Timmons pinning back their ears on passing downs is going to give OCs nightmares. I won't be surprised if all three of these guys get 6-8 sacks this year and at least one pushes double-digits. They're that nasty.
Yeah, Timmons was impressive. It will be a head scratcher if he isn't in the starting lineup week one.
 
Perhaps even more likely to start week 1 with an injury to Foote?

Steelers HC Mike Tomlin said LB Larry Foote suffered a sprained knee Saturday night at Minnesota. Foote will not play in the team's final preseason game against Carolina and his regular season status is not known yet. "(Foote's knee) won't require any medical procedure. But it does need to heal. He's going to heal this week," said Tomlin, who did not offer a timetable for Foote's return. "I don't want to speculate on that at this time. I know he's not going to play this week."
 
After tonites game... the writing is squarley on the wall.

:lmao: :thumbup: :thumbup: Timmons

:lmao: :X :X Foote

Time is running out for fantasy owners to make a move before the team announces a change.
Good news... I didn't see the game, unfortunately. (Don't get me started about NFLN :) ). Timmons looked good?
I just watched the replay of the entire game here and on this evidence I can't see them keeping Timmons off the field. Foote is an absolute liability now, and can neither cover (he was primarily responsible for both TDs to Royal) nor hit a moving target. He's just. too. slow. Timmons, on the other hand, was the complete package: stout in run support, solid in coverage, and an absolute terror rushing the passer. He created all kinds of havoc on the blitz, getting one big sack, and forcing the QB into bad throws or scrambles on other occasions. The prospect of Woodley, Harrison and Timmons pinning back their ears on passing downs is going to give OCs nightmares. I won't be surprised if all three of these guys get 6-8 sacks this year and at least one pushes double-digits. They're that nasty.
Yeah, Timmons was impressive. It will be a head scratcher if he isn't in the starting lineup week one.
My IDP leagues arent deep enough to consider Timmons, but as a Steeler fan, Ill certainly be scratching my headTheyve been saying that hes been the defensive standout in camp every week, almost every day as I watch good ol' Staan Savvvrrn on FSN Pittsburgh every day with daily camp updates. He almost even looks better than that during the games. If he doesnt make or disrupt a play, it seems like hes on the play and would be the next guy to make the tackle.

Thats the biggest thing. Foote is good and makes tackles when guys come to him. Timmons MAKES plays

I dont wanna brag, but I remember some posts mid-late last year about Woodley I think it was, and I kept saying watch out for Timmons as well. Might of even been a Jene post! That said, If Tomlin doesnt have him starting, Ill really start questioning him after the bad taste that Jacksonville game has still left in my mouth.

..oh yeah Jene, LT got drafted in 2007 not 2006 like you said in the OP..just his 2nd year, and he only started 1 year at FSU, at OLB..hes a quick learner ;)

I wouldnt be surprised if he gets a decent amount of PT tonight either..seems like they even have him playing with the 3rd string

In the words of the great Notorious B.I.G., "If ya dont know, now ya know" ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgVXrStylIQ

 
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..oh yeah Jene, LT got drafted in 2007 not 2006 like you said in the OP..just his 2nd year, and he only started 1 year at FSU, at OLB..hes a quick learner :goodposting:
Yep. Makes no sense to me, but I still can't get myself into the 2008 frame of mind. I'm constantly backspacing and fixing my posts. I pushed Timmons pretty heavily initially, then backed off after getting some detailed scouting reports from Bloom and Lammey. Was watching him fairly closely through the second half of 2007 and early OTAs, but not as closely as you homers were. Won't be long until we find out just what kind of player/IDP option he's going to be.
 
..oh yeah Jene, LT got drafted in 2007 not 2006 like you said in the OP..just his 2nd year, and he only started 1 year at FSU, at OLB..hes a quick learner :shrug:
Yep. Makes no sense to me, but I still can't get myself into the 2008 frame of mind. I'm constantly backspacing and fixing my posts. I pushed Timmons pretty heavily initially, then backed off after getting some detailed scouting reports from Bloom and Lammey. Was watching him fairly closely through the second half of 2007 and early OTAs, but not as closely as you homers were. Won't be long until we find out just what kind of player/IDP option he's going to be.
It still feels like its 1999 to me, so I hear yaNot sure how big of an IDP threat hell be, especially considering he has Harrison, Woodley, and Farrior to compete with for points, but with the way hes looked so far, I think hes only going to improve more. He was drafted knowing that he was raw, and those skills certainly seem to be starting to translate. Sky is the limit from what Im seeing..and how bout the bright future of the 1st round LBs from last year, just NFL wise?!? Lawrence Timmons, Patrick Willis, Jon Beason, and Anthony Spencer...and that not even including my man Paul Poszlusny..great draft for LBs
 
Obviously, Harrison had a monster game, and Woodley was right behind him.

THe ILBs were relatively quiet - combining for 6 solos and 6 assts (of which Timmons had 3 solos). Foote was listed as the starter in teh game book. Did anyone watch the game? I would appreciate some opinions here on how it looked...

Was this just a matter of few rushing attempts which meant the ILBs were in coverage more vs. Harrison and Woodley who could tee off? (Hou had 33 pass attempts vs. only 20 rushing attempts).

Thanks... I can't wait until I can either get FIOS to get NFL Network and get game replays (more likely in NYC) or possibly move to a place I can get DirectTV... pains me not to be able to see these games... FU Time Warner and NFLN :thumbup:

 
Obviously, Harrison had a monster game, and Woodley was right behind him.THe ILBs were relatively quiet - combining for 6 solos and 6 assts (of which Timmons had 3 solos). Foote was listed as the starter in teh game book. Did anyone watch the game? I would appreciate some opinions here on how it looked... Was this just a matter of few rushing attempts which meant the ILBs were in coverage more vs. Harrison and Woodley who could tee off? (Hou had 33 pass attempts vs. only 20 rushing attempts). Thanks... I can't wait until I can either get FIOS to get NFL Network and get game replays (more likely in NYC) or possibly move to a place I can get DirectTV... pains me not to be able to see these games... FU Time Warner and NFLN :thumbup:
I noticed Timmons on the field more than Foote, but maybe thats because he made more playsYoure right on in that, this game was over early and HOU barely rushed the ball. Im surprised they actually had 20 rushes, and I think a thought happened later on in the game where Timmons or whoever was on the field might not have had quite the same intensityI expect Timmons to make big plays every other game or so, so I wouldnt be surprised if he has a big game next week (for his standards), but you have to keep in mind that Woodley and Harrison will be the main sack guys, and big play artists as well, so expectations on Timmons should be somewhat hedged, mostly due to opportunity, not talent
 

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