LHUCKS
Footballguy
Not really, I've been in here countless times pointing out his glimpses of upside...I've seen pretty much every snap of the guys pro career.He just airmailed a pick though...we're not annointing him yet.
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TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
Question- you have Peyton at QB, would you feel comfortable with Leinart as your only backup QB?
a_troll00
Footballguy
Leinart simply isn't NFL material. If he can't learn from Warner what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL, then he never will.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Even if he does break out, you'd only start him once. Take him last if you do.
ya, those 4 attempts were very indicative of Hollywood's talent.
a_troll00
Footballguy
The stat sheet doesn't show just how awful those four passes were... and they were against second and third string defenders.
yup, those 4 passes negate his 30+ sample last week.no wonder i keep winning money in FF. With gupps around it will always be profitable.
a_troll00
Footballguy
sorry, but you'll never win anything with Leinart.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Over half?Atlanta - noGB - noNO - noIndy - noNE - noNYG - noChicago - noSeattle - noDallas - noPhilly - noArizona - nope, not even the team he is onMiami - noNYJ - right now Id say no, I don't think they would trade Sanchez for him straight up.Minn - maybe if the old man goes downHouston - maybe a few games that Schaub will likely missBalt - noPitt - noCinc - noThats 18 quick that he would not start except for injury.Even possible he would not beat out Culpepper in detroit, Delhomme in Carolina, or Collins in TN.TN would give up Vince for him though. He could backup Collins.I might even be missing a few.Hollywood Matt is a starter on over half the teams in the NFL, and if given the chance will be a perennial pro bowler.
sho nuff
Footballguy
His 30+ sample last week against 3rd stringers does not make up for his NFL career so far being very little to be excited about.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
SofaKings
Footballguy
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awesomeness
Guest
Leinart's getting his chance today against the 2nd worst pass D in the league.
Rough first quarter, but there still a lot of game left.
Rough first quarter, but there still a lot of game left.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
He played about as well as he could have with very little first team time...found out the day of the game he was starting. 21/31 and zero picks.Warner hurt the team by being stubborn.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Oh.Didn't he practice with the 1st team each day of this week? I thought the idea was to be ready, regardless. Sort of the job of a backup...especially a career backup like him.At least yesterday's 0 TD performance was an improvement on his pathetic NFL career.
peter griffin
Footballguy
I am a Leinart dynasty owner but certainly not a Leinart apologist, I would say completing 68% of his passes and not turning the ball over is pretty solid? Is he going to push Warner to the bench? Obviously not, but I would say for yesterday was a somewhat positive sign for Leinart's prospects. Granted Leinart was going against a relatively weak Titans pass defense, but there's a lot to be said for not turning the ball over either.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Just threw another TD.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
It's not really fair with the DPOY award being so competitive that Woodson gets to pad his numbers against Leinart.Unless Revis plays O'Sullivan, I guess.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
This thread's going about as well for LHUCKS as his Pac-10 thread(s).Best part is that every thread he creates makes him look stoopider than he did the day before.2 picks for Leinart so far tonight. In about 1 quarter of play. Nice.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
He just needs a change in scenery. Cardinals aren't putting the kind of talent around him that he needs to succeed and it's sad.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Absolutely. It has nothing to do with the notion that he has a weenie arm, poor work ethic, and idiotic decision-making abilities. I think it's more likely that he doesn't have any receivers to work with. LHUCKS would agree. I think he's said this, actually.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
keeping him healthy for the playoffs.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
correct
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Something about a broken clock and twice a day.
candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...iders.postcard/
2008 preseason story on JaMarcus Russell: "The Raiders' franchise quarterback has made significant strides as a passer, and his burgeoning confidence is reflected in the improved accuracy he has displayed throughout this camp. "
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Worst comparison ever...but okay.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think the comparison is quite valid...or would you prefer "confident Joey Harrington" and coachspeak about him.The point is...its a fluff piece in June. He could very well finally be coming around...but to this point, his play on the field in the NFL has not been much to talk about.
VY has been better....Cutler has been better.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The current Arizona coaching staff was quoted repeatedly that they were going to improve the run blocking, they were expected to develop a much tougher running game, and they would have a 50/50 pass to run ratio. They've essentially said that every year since they've been there. In the 3 years with Whisenhunt:09: 594 passes, 365 rushes
08: 630 passes, 340 rushes
07: 590 passes, 402 russhes
Bottom line, anything that gets floated out there this time of year should be taken with a grain of salt.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Sure, but Wiz is a pretty straight up coach...if Leinart wasn't showing up, Wiz wouldn't be as positive. IMHO.Looking forward to this entire forum eating some crow.
Now that's seriously funny!!I will try to remember this thread later on during the season.
Look, I can understand the optimism right now. What else do you have at the beginning of June, right? I would say it's pretty similar to the optimism I have for Kevin Kolb's prospects heading into 2010. Not exactly the same, but similar.
This is Leinart's gig to run with or not. Can he be a productive QB for Arizona in 2010? Sure, but he could fail miserably too. Just like Kolb could in Philly. Situations are very similar, with a strong supporting cast of players surrounding them and a coaching staff pretty much fully invested in their young QB for the 2010 season.
While I envision Kolb to be pretty damn good this season and forward, in no way am I going out on a limb and saying he will be great. I certainly don't post that I'm right and everyone else is wrong. I know I could be wrong. You don't seem to feel that way.
sho nuff
Footballguy
You have yet to eat any...why should others?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Because I was supporting Leinart when EVERYBODY else was not. I was saying BUY LOW last year, when everybody else was mocking him.Everybody and their mom is on Kolb's jock.Let's try to use a legitimate comparison next time.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Why should I, I'm rarely wrong.On the other hand, you were on the wrong side of the AJ Hawk debate, weren't you? I owned you there too.
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massraider
Footballguy
Wasn't Kolb a BUY LOW last year?You're comparing Leinart last year to Kolb this year. Let's try and use a legit comparison next time.
It'll take Leinart being out of the league for 5 seasons to convince LHUCKS that he was wrong. Of course, it'll take Leinart playing one good half of preseason football to convince LHUCKS that everyone else is wrong.For what it's worth, I do think that Leinart takes far too much heat for the "career backup" thing. It's not like he's backing up Kyle Orton or Jason Campbell, here. The guy he was playing caddy to was busy putting the wraps on a Hall of Fame career. Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers both played caddy for years to an All Pro despite being first round picks (and the 2nd QB selected in the draft, just like Leinart). I'd say it wasn't really that much of an indictment on the two of them, in the long run.Does this mean that Leinart is the next Rodgers or Rivers? Of course not. It just means that the fact that he's been a backup to date isn't necessarily a damning piece of evidence. I'm really interested to see how his season plays out. I also think it's really interesting that everyone seems to have such radically different opinions on Kolb and Leinart when they're both essentially the same player- a young career backup with a strong pedigree who's been playing behind an All Pro in a pass-heavy offense, who is inheriting a lot of young and talented weapons, and who hasn't ever had a chance to show anything on the field. Both have been caddies for 3 years. Both have essentially identical career rate stats (Kolb = 6.8 ypa, 4:7 TD:INT, 68.9 QB Rating. Leinart = 6.5 ypa, 14:20 TD:INT, 70.8 QB Rating). Yet for some reason the shark pool treats Kolb like he's Matt Schaub and treats Leinart like he's Jamarcus Russell. I just don't see the big difference between the two.
sho nuff
Footballguy
And anyone who bought last year wasted money.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Owned?Despite your claims he is still a solid NFL LB.Oh well.
Hawk has been a better pick than Leinart to this point. hah!!!!!!!
