Lendale White Quote re: Vince Young (1 Viewer)

[GregR_2]

I guess none of you caught the glaring difference of how White prefaces his coments huh. I guess you guys also missed the other portion when White specifies his comments for NFL TEAMS. This part makes your last accusation directly false. One guy openly stats that he wants a new QB and that for his current team he thinks this is a better optioni for winning football games. The other guy stats that he would never trade his college QB but he thinks Young transitions better to the NFL. No difference here at all fellas.

Why not just move on? Even White knew what he was saying would come across as a diss to Leinart. You don't say "Nothing against <someone>" unless you know what you're saying will come across as being something against them. You put that statement in to express that isn't your intent in saying it, but you know the barb is in there just the same.But it doesn't matter to a team what your intent was, it matters to them how it affects the team. Though they aren't technically on the same team at the moment, I'm sure you can see how an NFL team may use it as a basis for what kind of judgement he may show in the future.

 

[jurb26]

I guess none of you caught the glaring difference of how White prefaces his coments huh. I guess you guys also missed the other portion when White specifies his comments for NFL TEAMS. This part makes your last accusation directly false. One guy openly stats that he wants a new QB and that for his current team he thinks this is a better optioni for winning football games. The other guy stats that he would never trade his college QB but he thinks Young transitions better to the NFL. No difference here at all fellas.

Why not just move on? Even White knew what he was saying would come across as a diss to Leinart. You don't say "Nothing against <someone>" unless you know what you're saying will come across as being something against them. You put that statement in to express that isn't your intent in saying it, but you know the barb is in there just the same.

Why not just move.... I'll just leave this as my last responce.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Refreshingly honest!

But it was also disloyal and dumb because it was disloyal.

To say the least, USC was good to White and Leinart was good to White (as far as we know). By saying what he said, he could have POTENTIALLY cost Leinart a ton of money. There is no good reason to do this. If you really feel that way, fine - just don't comment. He is not in direct competition with Leinart so there was NO logical incentive for him to do what he did.

For the guys that don't think character matters, there are SO many examples out there of guys who have oodles of talent but don't have the right attitude to make that talent translate into production. I won't start listing them because as soon as you mention anothery player folks will complain about "unfair comparisons" or "apples to oranges". But the simple fact is that sometimes attitude and personality matter. Poor attitude doesn't ALWAYS bite you in the ###, but it sure has that potential.

 

[Riffraff]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If he tells his honest opinion, he gets called a bad character.

If he shows bad character and lies about what he feels is the truth, he's a saint and has less of a character issue.

Interesting dilemna.

 

[Wadsworth]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If he tells his honest opinion, he gets called a bad character.

If he shows bad character and lies about what he feels is the truth, he's a saint and has less of a character issue.

Interesting dilemna.

Not really. Just wait until after the draft.

 

[Riffraff]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If he tells his honest opinion, he gets called a bad character.

If he shows bad character and lies about what he feels is the truth, he's a saint and has less of a character issue.

Interesting dilemna.

Not really. Just wait until after the draft.

So, cancel all interviews until after the draft?Don't answer reporters questions?

It will get construed the worng way whichever way he plays it.

He's the whipping boy of the fantasy world right now.

I guess you'd rather he just ran and hid instead of standing in front of the crowd like all the other prospects.

Be a coward or stand up during adversity?

Another dilemna.

 

[BigJim®]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If he tells his honest opinion, he gets called a bad character.

If he shows bad character and lies about what he feels is the truth, he's a saint and has less of a character issue.

Interesting dilemna.

How is inability to give a nice safe cliche an interesting dilemma? Last I checked athletes have been feeding them to media for decades and losing very little sleep over it. When you are asked a question that you cannot reasonably answer, no comment or cliche. If he had PR helping him like he should, he'd know it.

 

[Riffraff]

When you are asked a question that you cannot reasonably answer, no comment or cliche.

He answered it reasonably. He gave justification and had his disclaimer as well. He knew it was a trick question and how it would turn out.Some people just didn't want to hear his personal opinion when he was asked for it.Political correctness. Pros and cons.... discuss. (better suited for the FFA channel)

 

[Wadsworth]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If he tells his honest opinion, he gets called a bad character.

If he shows bad character and lies about what he feels is the truth, he's a saint and has less of a character issue.

Interesting dilemna.

Not really. Just wait until after the draft.

So, cancel all interviews until after the draft?Don't answer reporters questions?

It will get construed the worng way whichever way he plays it.

He's the whipping boy of the fantasy world right now.

I guess you'd rather he just ran and hid instead of standing in front of the crowd like all the other prospects.

Be a coward or stand up during adversity?

Another dilemna.

Huh? stand up to adversity? No. Just say "I'm not an NFL scout, they both look really good to me." That's being a coward? He doesn't have to run hide or fight adversity. Just don't do anything that will hurt your draft status.

 

[Riffraff]

Also of note:

This topic is only making headlines because of Lendale White having been Leinart's teammate.

Take him out of the equation and this would never have made a headline.

____________ (Random player/fan/scout/reporter/President of the United States) says "With all due respect to Matt Leinart and all his accolades, but Vince Young is a better pro prospect because he showed incredible intangibles during the National Championship game. He took his team on his shoulders and carried them to victory."

People have said that on messageboards across the country. Time to hang them high for stating their opinion. Imagine if that random fan is an USC alumni.. he just threw Matt Leinart under the bus!!! Time for tar and feathers!

Without a Texas or USC player, that statement is not newsworthy.

 

[helix]

Maybe if his fat ### would have gained that last 1 yard, he would be a top 10 pick......

 

[thayman]

Also of note:

This topic is only making headlines because of Lendale White having been Leinart's teammate.

Take him out of the equation and this would never have made a headline.

____________ (Random player/fan/scout/reporter/President of the United States) says "With all due respect to Matt Leinart and all his accolades, but Vince Young is a better pro prospect because he showed incredible intangibles during the National Championship game. He took his team on his shoulders and carried them to victory."

People have said that on messageboards across the country. Time to hang them high for stating their opinion. Imagine if that random fan is an USC alumni.. he just threw Matt Leinart under the bus!!! Time for tar and feathers!

Without a Texas or USC player, that statement is not newsworthy.

of course it is only making headlines because he was leinart's teammate. If AJ Hawk came out and said he thought Young was better no one would care.It is BECAUSE they were teammates. I don't even mind what he said, it is WHEN he choose to say it.

 

[bagger.]

Maybe if his fat ### would have gained that last 1 yard, he would be a top 10 pick......

 

[TheLaw]

Note to White: Cliches are your friend. "Each of those QB has his own identity but both guys are going to be lacing them up on Sundays and leading their teams to NFL victories, mark my word. I'll let the scouts take it from there."

Exactly and trust someone is explaining this to White today. That question called for a very politically correct and balanced answer or no comment. Period. If he fields and answers the question properly, there is no story. However, he did not and it made print and is very much a story, given who said it; the context of the statement; the individuals involved and proximity to the draft.

Um, please point me to the question. The article linked here does not provide it. The author for the Denver Post cut this quote from something else. I swear I actually heard this earlier and Lendale was reacting to the criticism VY was getting for his alleged Wonderlic score.

If the writer did a mean cut & paste, then that obviously changes thing a little. I'll admit that and the reporter should know better. Conversely, if it was not taken out of context and was that direct of an exchange, White's answer was poor.Based on your comments it sounds like someone did a nice edit job to fit their needs, which is equally bad. Given that I would be very curious to see the original content and context of the conversation.

I cant find it anywhere. I heard something to this effect on Mark Madden/ESPNRadio late last week. Possible it was something different, but this article is about VY and I dont think the author particularly cared about the context of LenDale's comments.

 

[cstu]

Wow Mewelde Moore was far more critical of former Tulane teammate JP Losman, but yet didn't receive the same type of criticism as White did here. I know it's the NFL in Minnesota and Buffalo versus the USC and upcoming draft but still...

And doesn't White have some type of vested interest monetarily if he pushes Leinart as a bread and ice cream guy in relation to USC's successes...as opposed to the running game carrying USC? White was just being honest from his first hand experience in the Rose Bowl versus Young. There's no story here...

Losman had already been drafted by then. You don't have to talk up your ex-teammates but at least wait until they get drafted before dissing them.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Calling this "dissing" is about as extreme a stretch as you can get.  I'll call it a day as we clearly have differences of opinion on the matter.

That's cool. We can disagree on White.Do you think TO was "dissing" McNabb with what he said about Favre?

J

Joe, you have a very polite way of saying, "You don't know what the ^%$& you are talking about" Any way you slice it, if he pumps up VY he is knocking down Lienert.

This is not a zero-sum game. Both qbs were excellent this year. IMHO, White's not denegrating Leinart or his performance in any way. Now, you can question the timing of this statement or the wisdom of making it in the first place, but it's difficult to see any intent to bring Leinart down here. You can say one guy is really great w/o diminishing the other guy, who is also great.

Also, others have noted that this quote may have been in response to another question about Young and taken out of context. If any can get ahold of that info, I'd love to see it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Calling this "dissing" is about as extreme a stretch as you can get.  I'll call it a day as we clearly have differences of opinion on the matter.

That's cool. We can disagree on White.Do you think TO was "dissing" McNabb with what he said about Favre?

J

Joe, you have a very polite way of saying, "You don't know what the ^%$& you are talking about" Any way you slice it, if he pumps up VY he is knocking down Lienert.

This is not a zero-sum game.

Nothing to do with a zero sum game. It's about how you talk about your QB.I don't think he did this on purpose. I'm saying he's not smart enough to know what he's saying when he says it.

And this has zero to do with Leinart and Young. Sorry. This is about White.

J

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Calling this "dissing" is about as extreme a stretch as you can get.  I'll call it a day as we clearly have differences of opinion on the matter.

That's cool. We can disagree on White.Do you think TO was "dissing" McNabb with what he said about Favre?

J

Joe, you have a very polite way of saying, "You don't know what the ^%$& you are talking about" Any way you slice it, if he pumps up VY he is knocking down Lienert.

This is not a zero-sum game.

Nothing to do with a zero sum game. It's about how you talk about your QB.I don't think he did this on purpose. I'm saying he's not smart enough to know what he's saying when he says it.

And this has zero to do with Leinart and Young. Sorry. This is about White.

J

Well, in the quote I quoted and responded to, it had everything to do with Leinart and Young, and a zero sum game...and I addressed the other issues you brought up.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Calling this "dissing" is about as extreme a stretch as you can get.  I'll call it a day as we clearly have differences of opinion on the matter.

That's cool. We can disagree on White.Do you think TO was "dissing" McNabb with what he said about Favre?

J

Joe, you have a very polite way of saying, "You don't know what the ^%$& you are talking about" Any way you slice it, if he pumps up VY he is knocking down Lienert.

This is not a zero-sum game.

Nothing to do with a zero sum game. It's about how you talk about your QB.I don't think he did this on purpose. I'm saying he's not smart enough to know what he's saying when he says it.

And this has zero to do with Leinart and Young. Sorry. This is about White.

J

Well, in the quote I quoted and responded to, it had everything to do with Leinart and Young, and a zero sum game.

Exactly my point. As much as Texas people would love to think this is about Young, it's not.J

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Calling this "dissing" is about as extreme a stretch as you can get. I'll call it a day as we clearly have differences of opinion on the matter.

That's cool. We can disagree on White.Do you think TO was "dissing" McNabb with what he said about Favre?

J

Joe, you have a very polite way of saying, "You don't know what the ^%$& you are talking about" Any way you slice it, if he pumps up VY he is knocking down Lienert.

This is not a zero-sum game.

Nothing to do with a zero sum game. It's about how you talk about your QB.I don't think he did this on purpose. I'm saying he's not smart enough to know what he's saying when he says it.

And this has zero to do with Leinart and Young. Sorry. This is about White.

J

Well, in the quote I quoted and responded to, it had everything to do with Leinart and Young, and a zero sum game.

Exactly my point. As much as Texas people would love to think this is about Young, it's not.J

Scotsman thinks that Young is the only player that will be drafted this weekend.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Calling this "dissing" is about as extreme a stretch as you can get.  I'll call it a day as we clearly have differences of opinion on the matter.

That's cool. We can disagree on White.Do you think TO was "dissing" McNabb with what he said about Favre?

J

Joe, you have a very polite way of saying, "You don't know what the ^%$& you are talking about" Any way you slice it, if he pumps up VY he is knocking down Lienert.

This is not a zero-sum game.

Nothing to do with a zero sum game. It's about how you talk about your QB.I don't think he did this on purpose. I'm saying he's not smart enough to know what he's saying when he says it.

And this has zero to do with Leinart and Young. Sorry. This is about White.

J

Well, in the quote I quoted and responded to, it had everything to do with Leinart and Young, and a zero sum game.

Exactly my point. As much as Texas people would love to think this is about Young, it's not.J

Really? I'm a Texas person, and I never stated any opinion about it being about Young. I just posted the quote and watched the sparks fly.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Calling this "dissing" is about as extreme a stretch as you can get.  I'll call it a day as we clearly have differences of opinion on the matter.

That's cool. We can disagree on White.Do you think TO was "dissing" McNabb with what he said about Favre?

J

Joe, you have a very polite way of saying, "You don't know what the ^%$& you are talking about" Any way you slice it, if he pumps up VY he is knocking down Lienert.

This is not a zero-sum game. Both qbs were excellent this year. IMHO, White's not denegrating Leinart or his performance in any way. Now, you can question the timing of this statement or the wisdom of making it in the first place, but it's difficult to see any intent to bring Leinart down here. You can say one guy is really great w/o diminishing the other guy, who is also great.

Also, others have noted that this quote may have been in response to another question about Young and taken out of context. If any can get ahold of that info, I'd love to see it.

I don't see how anyone CAN'T see the intent when you read this quote posted on this thread. "Nothing against Matt, but Vince has to be the No. 1 guy" He even used the "has" to be the #1 guy like anyone who thinks Lienert should be the #1 pick is a fool. They are fighting for huge dollars and any way you slice it he gave a strong endorsement to not make Lienert the 1st QB taken.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Really? I'm a Texas person, and I never stated any opinion about what it being about Young. I just posted the quote and watched the sparks fly.

Why did you post it?Why did you think sparks would fly?

Therein lies the answer.

J

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Really? I'm a Texas person, and I never stated any opinion about what it being about Young. I just posted the quote and watched the sparks fly.

Why did you post it?Why did you think sparks would fly?

Therein lies the answer.

J

I posted it because I thought it was interesting and thought the FBGs would, too. I ddin't know the sparks would fly. I just said I sat back and watched them fly. I had no idea this post would go crazy like this...but it's been fun to watch, to be sure.

 

[Irish]

It looks like LenDale White was indeed backing up his teammate afterall. It just so happened to be his new teammate Vince Young.

 

[Tiger Fan]

So big deal, he said the right thing. If the Titans had taken Leinart instead of Young, you still think he would have said that?

 

[jurb26]

Maybe White isn't as dumb as everyone likes to think.... White/Young both in Tenn.

 

[trader jake]

solid bump

lendale and young could be a force for years...or they implode

i'd give that coaching staff and championship players in college the benefit of the doubt

 

[ozark]

Are we talking college or Pro football ? are guys a little faster in Pro than in Southern Cal. ?

Lets talk in three years. Best luck to them ALL and if you have to draft any.. Take Culter.