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LenDale White's 40 speed (1 Viewer)

He's faster than he looks. He'll probably run in the 4.55-4.65 range.

I don't know if he has any serious character issues, but I do know that he's become good friends with Snoop Dogg. Maybe the NFL people think the LA limelight has gotten to his head. At any rate, I wouldn't worry too much. He seems to play hard and I'm pretty sure that his criminal record is spotless.
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If he is hanging with Snoop he is smoking weed. If the cops were chasing him and he was in possession of a bag of weed I bet he would run a 4.43.
 
Is a 4.8 runner a first rounder at all? I suspect Alstott was a 4.8 guy at his best and Tampa never drafted him for his running ability. I can't see him running a 4.8, he looks more like a 4.6 kind of guy. But if he pulled a Clarett and ran a 4.8 he should be a second rounder or maybe even a third......
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I strongly disagree that TB didn't draft him for his running ability The guy can't block a lick.

What did they draft him for then? :loco:

 
Ever since I read this whispers section, I was researching the internet everywhere without finding anything on this topic until now. Thanks for all the information.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+W...hispers2027.htm

(about 2/3 of the way down the page)
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That article says less than this thread does. Here is all it says:
While there’s no doubt junior USC RB Lendale White earned himself some money with a stellar Rose Bowl performance (20 carries for 124 yards and three TDs) should he decide to declare his eligibility for the draft, we hear there are still some real concerns about his character that could have a bearing on where he’s picked.
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Another thing: Since when does "doesn't like to go to class" and "thinks a lot of himself" and "kind of dumb" equal "thug", anyway? That's a pretty big net, seems like it would include many high school and college athletes. Are they all thugs, or does it depend on skin color, or what? Seems like a pretty weak case for "thug" to me.
 
Alstott could catch and he caught a slew of balls in his rookie season. It was only after his first season that Dungy realized he ran better than he was timed......

 
Another thing: Since when does "doesn't like to go to class" and "thinks a lot of himself" and "kind of dumb" equal "thug", anyway? That's a pretty big net, seems like it would include many high school and college athletes. Are they all thugs, or does it depend on skin color, or what? Seems like a pretty weak case for "thug" to me.
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:goodposting:
 
Another thing: Since when does "doesn't like to go to class" and "thinks a lot of himself" and "kind of dumb" equal "thug", anyway? That's a pretty big net, seems like it would include many high school and college athletes. Are they all thugs, or does it depend on skin color, or what? Seems like a pretty weak case for "thug" to me.
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If this was the criteria, many here would have been (still) thugs. I am sure no one here thinks highly of themselves. I am sure everyone here loved going to class. And, many times, some here could be "kind of dumb". But, I am sure none of you are thugs......................
 
Another thing: Since when does "doesn't like to go to class" and "thinks a lot of himself" and "kind of dumb" equal "thug", anyway? That's a pretty big net, seems like it would include many high school and college athletes. Are they all thugs, or does it depend on skin color, or what? Seems like a pretty weak case for "thug" to me.
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If this was the criteria, many here would have been (still) thugs. I am sure no one here thinks highly of themselves. I am sure everyone here loved going to class. And, many times, some here could be "kind of dumb". But, I am sure none of you are thugs......................
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Oooh, me! :hey: I am! :hey:
 
That article says less than this thread does. Here is all it says:

While there’s no doubt junior USC RB Lendale White earned himself some money with a stellar Rose Bowl performance (20 carries for 124 yards and three TDs) should he decide to declare his eligibility for the draft, we hear there are still some real concerns about his character that could have a bearing on where he’s picked.
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Another thing: Since when does "doesn't like to go to class" and "thinks a lot of himself" and "kind of dumb" equal "thug", anyway? That's a pretty big net, seems like it would include many high school and college athletes. Are they all thugs, or does it depend on skin color, or what? Seems like a pretty weak case for "thug" to me.

I thought being "thug" is cool nowadays? If the guy is "thug" then he'll be a shoe in to be top 15 and pull all the preachers daughters and catholic schoolgirls. Millions of white male adolescents will look up to him.

 
USC homer here, out of high school he was clocked at 4.43, I dont think its changed much in three years

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=15&p=9&c=4&pid=11&yr=2003
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I will bet you all the money in LHUCKS's bank account that he doesn't sniff a 4.43...
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Why in Sam Hill does White's running a sub 4.5 seem all that rediculous? When many tight ends are running 4.7 to 4.9, we shouldn't be surprised to see an explosive 240 lb back like him break 4.5. Currently, he's gotta be working on nothing like he is his speed, since he knows that a higher 40 time = big money contract. I think (and hope) he runs his best ever at the combine, and raises his stock even more.
 
White=Dayne
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White is a legit, between-the-tackles RB. Dayne, as we've seen, prefers to start parallel to the line and read before making his move.
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As a life long Badger fan, I can attest that Dayne is NOT a similar type RB to White. Dayne is not a short yardage type back. He will only succeed when placed in a roll that allows him time to read the blocks in front of him, and then pick his hole. White is a downhill runner, who can squeeze yards out of little. Dayne has a better ability to break a big play with his patience, but he'll never be the guy you want running the ball on 3rd and 1.
 
If White can land a 4.55 type run, he should go in the mid to late first round (see recent guys like Stephen Jackson, Kevin Jones, Larry Johnson, etc.). Personally, I just do not see him going higher as he does have that "complete back" question mark. Can he catch? Can he pass block? All he was really asked to do in school was carry the ball between the tackles.I also highly doubt he has legit 4.4 speed anyway, but if he does get there, it may move him significantly up as people will begin to think Jam Lewis type back - big, strong, fast, powerful.

 
Personally, I just do not see him going higher as he does have that "complete back" question mark. Can he catch? Can he pass block? All he was really asked to do in school was carry the ball between the tackles.
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I agree with your list of questions. White tended to be in the game in non-passing situations, which means that those particular skills weren't tested all that much. Not to say he doesn't have them, but he doesn't have them demonstrated on his college resume.
 
No matter what he clocks in the 40, LenDale has pad speed or game speed or whatever you want to call it. DBs do not catch him from behind very often, and he accelerates very quickly-- excellent burst for any size back.
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Which makes me wonder, why don't the NFL scouts make the players run the 40 in full gear? Some players have more pad speed and play faster on the field.......Or for RBs, have them run a sweep, then see a hole and then burst through it.....see how fast they get through.

Or have them turn a corner and see how fast they get to full speed, kind of like if they're out in the open field.

I would think these kind of "drills" would answer questions of a RB's true speed and quickness.

 
USC homer here, out of high school he was clocked at 4.43, I dont think its changed much in three years

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=15&p=9&c=4&pid=11&yr=2003
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If anything, he's gotten bigger in college, so I could easily envision him being a tad slower than that . . . if in fact that was his actual 40 time out of high school.
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Agree. The unofficial high school and early college year 40 times are always so grandiose. We see it every year. Guy are NEVER as fast as these "quoted" times. Need I point back to KJ? He had these high school and early college year times in the 4.2's. Which is ridiculous really as that's world class type speed that so few possess, especially in the NFL. Most guy that fast are running track for a living, not playing football. Anyway KJ timed in at 4.55 (needing two workouts to do it).So, unless White is the 2nd coming of Jamal Lewis, which he may be and I do not know it, I am thinking that a 4.50 - 4.55 time will be very good for him and put him right where he wants to be and where we expect him to be from a draft position prospective.

 
Interesting but see in bold why I think these would not matter necessarily:

No matter what he clocks in the 40, LenDale has pad speed or game speed or whatever you want to call it.  DBs do not catch him from behind very often, and he accelerates very quickly-- excellent burst for any size back.
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Which makes me wonder, why don't the NFL scouts make the players run the 40 in full gear? Some players have more pad speed and play faster on the field.......I agree, but NFL gear is so customized. Can you get everyone the best gear they need to play the fastest for combine and pro day workouts? That's a big to do. But, maybe at least a helmet and some light shoulder pads would be interesting. Agree.Or for RBs, have them run a sweep, then see a hole and then burst through it.....see how fast they get through. Really does not matter. In the NFL, you cannot out run the pursuit at the line of scrimmage to get the corner. Running to the outside only goes as fast as your OL and FB get out there and make blocks. Really, running to the outside in the NFL takes patience and blocking, not pure speed. The guy can only go as fast as the hosses in front of him.

Or have them turn a corner and see how fast they get to full speed, kind of like if they're out in the open field. See above, but this could be interesting. To your point, and I agree, it really does not matter how fast you can go from 0-60, if you will, but how quickly you can accelerate going from making a read on a block or a cut, and then exploding into the open field and pulling away. I would be interested in something like this, but it would be difficult to control and compare players

I would think these kind of "drills" would answer questions of a RB's true speed and quickness.
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Interesting but see in bold why I think these would not matter necessarily:

No matter what he clocks in the 40, LenDale has pad speed or game speed or whatever you want to call it.  DBs do not catch him from behind very often, and he accelerates very quickly-- excellent burst for any size back.
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Which makes me wonder, why don't the NFL scouts make the players run the 40 in full gear? Some players have more pad speed and play faster on the field.......I agree, but NFL gear is so customized. Can you get everyone the best gear they need to play the fastest for combine and pro day workouts? That's a big to do. But, maybe at least a helmet and some light shoulder pads would be interesting. Agree.Or for RBs, have them run a sweep, then see a hole and then burst through it.....see how fast they get through. Really does not matter. In the NFL, you cannot out run the pursuit at the line of scrimmage to get the corner. Running to the outside only goes as fast as your OL and FB get out there and make blocks. Really, running to the outside in the NFL takes patience and blocking, not pure speed. The guy can only go as fast as the hosses in front of him.

Or have them turn a corner and see how fast they get to full speed, kind of like if they're out in the open field. See above, but this could be interesting. To your point, and I agree, it really does not matter how fast you can go from 0-60, if you will, but how quickly you can accelerate going from making a read on a block or a cut, and then exploding into the open field and pulling away. I would be interested in something like this, but it would be difficult to control and compare players

I would think these kind of "drills" would answer questions of a RB's true speed and quickness.
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Thanks for the insight.I agree that you can't outrun the defense on a sweep. That wasn't my point. My point is that you're running a sweep (not running very fast here), and all of a sudden, your lineman create a "hole". Once that "hole" is created, see how fast the RB can react and get through it.

For comparing players, well that's subjective no matter how you slice it. But if I were a scout, I would want to see a player's speed-quickness-agility-strength all in simulated game situations using full, or close to, full gear.

 
White=Dayne
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White is a legit, between-the-tackles RB. Dayne, as we've seen, prefers to start parallel to the line and read before making his move.
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As a life long Badger fan, I can attest that Dayne is NOT a similar type RB to White. Dayne is not a short yardage type back. He will only succeed when placed in a roll that allows him time to read the blocks in front of him, and then pick his hole. White is a downhill runner, who can squeeze yards out of little. Dayne has a better ability to break a big play with his patience, but he'll never be the guy you want running the ball on 3rd and 1.
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Agreed.Many assumed Dayne to be a power back because of his size, but he never really played that role while at WI. White's play is nothing like Dayne's.

 
Even if White runs a 4.65 I'd still take him in the early-mid to mid first round. Like others have said, it doesn't matter so much how fast he is w/o the pads, he's close to the same speed with them on and that is all that matters. Watch some game film on the guy, he's no slouch no matter what 40 times he posts.

 
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I have some experience timing sprinters and I can tell you that hand times (with a stop watch) are ALWAYS going to be faster than electronic timing.It is standard practice to add .24 seconds to a hand time. A good timer with quick reflexes can get down to about +.12 to +.15 seconds.This is why high school times are faster than they really are

 
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