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groin pains said:
Just read that the Offensive Line coach in Seattle abruptly resigned! Maybe best to stay away all together! :lmao:
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Agreed... without knowing the reasons, there's too many signs of smoke there to take much of a chance except as very late flier picks.
 
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cvnpoka said:
Chaka said:
I think Leon is awesome but that was one of the five most gruesome football injuries I have seen (Napoleon McCallum being #1).
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bones heal nearly perfectly. they dont limit range of motion or flexibility regardless. ligaments are the opposite. the only issue is that his long layoff would cause him to lose explosiveness. his injury, while ugly looking, is not near as bad as a torn acl, patella, achilles, certain meniscus problems.
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This is exactly why I'm taking him late in all drafts. 12 weeks and a broken bone is healed. 6 weeks to rehab/rebuild the muscles and you're good. The only thing left is getting over the mental hurdle. IMO Leon is themost talented RB in SEA. With Seattle investing in their Oline the last couple drafts I see a nice opportunity especially since he can be had in the 14th round.
 
rgmnchr said:
:confused: :goodposting:

cvnpoka said:
Chaka said:
I think Leon is awesome but that was one of the five most gruesome football injuries I have seen (Napoleon McCallum being #1).
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bones heal nearly perfectly. they dont limit range of motion or flexibility regardless. ligaments are the opposite. the only issue is that his long layoff would cause him to lose explosiveness. his injury, while ugly looking, is not near as bad as a torn acl, patella, achilles, certain meniscus problems.
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This is exactly why I'm taking him late in all drafts. 12 weeks and a broken bone is healed. 6 weeks to rehab/rebuild the muscles and you're good. The only thing left is getting over the mental hurdle. IMO Leon is themost talented RB in SEA. With Seattle investing in their Oline the last couple drafts I see a nice opportunity especially since he can be had in the 14th round.
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He did show that he still has that burst of speed in the preseason with that 11 yard TD run. Not expecting much, but he may have been a steal in the 14th round of my draft.
 
I have picked up Leon in the last round of all my drafts. I actually think he ends up the #1 back in Seattle and outperforms Forsett this year

 
From Rotoworld - equally applicable to LW IMO:

Seahawks offensive line coach Alex Gibbs has abruptly resigned from his job on Pete Carroll's staff.

No reason was given, but it's quite a blow to a Seattle team that will field a makeshift offense at the skill positions. Known as the "Godfather of Zone Blocking," Gibbs orchestrated perennial 1,000-yard rushers in Denver and was supposed to inject life into a Seahawks backfield that's been pedestrian since the mid-2000s. It's another reason to shy away from Justin Forsett, who may start in Week 1 but is being overdrafted. Sep. 5 - 12:33 am et

 
Das Boot said:
From Rotoworld - equally applicable to LW IMO:

Seahawks offensive line coach Alex Gibbs has abruptly resigned from his job on Pete Carroll's staff.

No reason was given, but it's quite a blow to a Seattle team that will field a makeshift offense at the skill positions. Known as the "Godfather of Zone Blocking," Gibbs orchestrated perennial 1,000-yard rushers in Denver and was supposed to inject life into a Seahawks backfield that's been pedestrian since the mid-2000s. It's another reason to shy away from Justin Forsett, who may start in Week 1 but is being overdrafted. Sep. 5 - 12:33 am et
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Am I wrong in assuming that Gibbs' system is already in place and should be effective whether or not the man himself is present?And let's not forget that both Forsett and Washington are excellent pass catchers out of the backfield. I don't think that either of these guys can be assessed by rushing yards and instead should be judged by total yards.

Just my two cents.

 
I couldn't really smell it before but with Jones moving on, I think I can smell it now - Forsett and Leon.

 
countingcrow said:
Das Boot said:
From Rotoworld - equally applicable to LW IMO:

Seahawks offensive line coach Alex Gibbs has abruptly resigned from his job on Pete Carroll's staff.

No reason was given, but it's quite a blow to a Seattle team that will field a makeshift offense at the skill positions. Known as the "Godfather of Zone Blocking," Gibbs orchestrated perennial 1,000-yard rushers in Denver and was supposed to inject life into a Seahawks backfield that's been pedestrian since the mid-2000s. It's another reason to shy away from Justin Forsett, who may start in Week 1 but is being overdrafted. Sep. 5 - 12:33 am et
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Am I wrong in assuming that Gibbs' system is already in place and should be effective whether or not the man himself is present?And let's not forget that both Forsett and Washington are excellent pass catchers out of the backfield. I don't think that either of these guys can be assessed by rushing yards and instead should be judged by total yards.

Just my two cents.
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Here's what you take from it, IMO: Gibbs left because he didn't think things were being done in the right way and didn't want his name attached to the SEA running game. It either means that the HC didn't commit to his system, or management/coach made personnel decisions he couldn't live with. Regardless, when a guy with a name like Alex Gibbs bails on your program and walks away from a solid paycheck 1 week before the season, it's not good. It either means that he and the H/C simply couldn't get along on any level, and did not see eye to eye (worries me about the running game, because as a fantasy owner I'd much rather have Alex Gibb's system rather than Carrol's) or it means that the running game is looking so bad he doesn't feel it's fixable and doesn't want it attached to his name (of course, way worse from a fantasy perspective). So basically you have a bad to worse situation that was already shaky at best, and the guy that everyone feels has more talent is coming off a broken leg and returning kicks.= :goodposting:

 
Clifford said:
countingcrow said:
Das Boot said:
From Rotoworld - equally applicable to LW IMO:

Seahawks offensive line coach Alex Gibbs has abruptly resigned from his job on Pete Carroll's staff.

No reason was given, but it's quite a blow to a Seattle team that will field a makeshift offense at the skill positions. Known as the "Godfather of Zone Blocking," Gibbs orchestrated perennial 1,000-yard rushers in Denver and was supposed to inject life into a Seahawks backfield that's been pedestrian since the mid-2000s. It's another reason to shy away from Justin Forsett, who may start in Week 1 but is being overdrafted. Sep. 5 - 12:33 am et
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Am I wrong in assuming that Gibbs' system is already in place and should be effective whether or not the man himself is present?And let's not forget that both Forsett and Washington are excellent pass catchers out of the backfield. I don't think that either of these guys can be assessed by rushing yards and instead should be judged by total yards.

Just my two cents.
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Here's what you take from it, IMO: Gibbs left because he didn't think things were being done in the right way and didn't want his name attached to the SEA running game. It either means that the HC didn't commit to his system, or management/coach made personnel decisions he couldn't live with. Regardless, when a guy with a name like Alex Gibbs bails on your program and walks away from a solid paycheck 1 week before the season, it's not good. It either means that he and the H/C simply couldn't get along on any level, and did not see eye to eye (worries me about the running game, because as a fantasy owner I'd much rather have Alex Gibb's system rather than Carrol's) or it means that the running game is looking so bad he doesn't feel it's fixable and doesn't want it attached to his name (of course, way worse from a fantasy perspective). So basically you have a bad to worse situation that was already shaky at best, and the guy that everyone feels has more talent is coming off a broken leg and returning kicks.= :mellow:
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Alex Gibbs spent a few years down in Houston before moving on to Seattle and his presence with the Texans didn't improve their running game a bit.

I'm not denying that the RB situation in Seattle could end up being a trainwreck but it's not a foregone conclustion. That Seattle line was bad last season as well and in each game that Forsett had more than ten carries he averaged more than 5 yards per carry. Couple that with the receiving yards that he will rack up each week and you have yourself a RB2 in PPR formats and a RB3 in non-PPR formats. There is value to be had in Seattle.

 
Leon's value will be more prevalent in return yardage leagues. He will fill the same role with Seattle that he filled with the Jets. He'll have somewhere between 10-15 touches on offense and return both kicks and punts. Even with his limited touches outside of special teams he will outscore quite a few RB2's out there on a weekly basis considering the state of the Seattle D. He will have plenty of opportunities to rack up the return yards.

 
countingcrow said:
Leon's value will be more prevalent in return yardage leagues. He will fill the same role with Seattle that he filled with the Jets. He'll have somewhere between 10-15 touches on offense and return both kicks and punts. Even with his limited touches outside of special teams he will outscore quite a few RB2's out there on a weekly basis considering the state of the Seattle D. He will have plenty of opportunities to rack up the return yards.
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This, if you're in a return yard league you could hit some real value in a late round with this guy. The fact that he should be returning a large amount of kicks and he's extremely good at should be enough to take a chance on him. Add to it that many people think he's the best runningback on the team and he may be a real steal

 
countingcrow said:
Leon's value will be more prevalent in return yardage leagues. He will fill the same role with Seattle that he filled with the Jets. He'll have somewhere between 10-15 touches on offense and return both kicks and punts. Even with his limited touches outside of special teams he will outscore quite a few RB2's out there on a weekly basis considering the state of the Seattle D. He will have plenty of opportunities to rack up the return yards.
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Will he be returning both Punts AND Kickoffs?? I thought it was only one...not sure though? :goodposting:
 
There's no way he sees 10-15 touches in that offense as a RB2/return man.

The Hawks averaged under 25 attempts per game as a team. That's everyone, not just RBs. I don't see the backup getting a majority of those carries. Here's a more likely breakdown:

Forsett 13-15 cpg

Washington 7-9 cpg

Jones+everyone else 4-6 cpg

24 cpg on the lowside, 32 on the highside. Actually glad I dropped Washington for Fred Taylor in one league.

 
Clifford said:
There's no way he sees 10-15 touches in that offense as a RB2/return man. The Hawks averaged under 25 attempts per game as a team. That's everyone, not just RBs. I don't see the backup getting a majority of those carries. Here's a more likely breakdown:Forsett 13-15 cpgWashington 7-9 cpgJones+everyone else 4-6 cpg24 cpg on the lowside, 32 on the highside. Actually glad I dropped Washington for Fred Taylor in one league.
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SEA RBs also had 100+ receptions so touches per game goes up by 6.5
 
baconisgood said:
Clifford said:
There's no way he sees 10-15 touches in that offense as a RB2/return man. The Hawks averaged under 25 attempts per game as a team. That's everyone, not just RBs. I don't see the backup getting a majority of those carries. Here's a more likely breakdown:Forsett 13-15 cpgWashington 7-9 cpgJones+everyone else 4-6 cpg24 cpg on the lowside, 32 on the highside. Actually glad I dropped Washington for Fred Taylor in one league.
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SEA RBs also had 100+ receptions so touches per game goes up by 6.5
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In PPR leagues LW has instant value as a bye week filler. If his touches increase he could be a decent flex player. If he gets the majority of touches he may be a RB2 in ppr leagues. From where he is being drafted 14+ he represents good value. He may not score points out of the gate but the potential for a draft steal is there.
 
I don't really see it. He has the exact same qualities as the starter. The right complimentary back would be a pounder. If Forsett is getting shut down it's not like you can stick Leon in and try something new.

I see bad things for this run game all around. I'd rather take my chances elsewhere right now.

 
I think they will give Forsett the benefit of the doubt early but he will have to play SF, DEN, and SD. Setting him up to fail then maybe putting LW in once that happens?

 
3nOut said:
I think they will give Forsett the benefit of the doubt early but he will have to play SF, DEN, and SD. Setting him up to fail then maybe putting LW in once that happens?
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How is Forsett being set up to fail? Denver & SD have average/mediocre defenses.
 
Actually I am kind of encouraged by the stats (didn't see the game). 49ers are pretty stout in the middle so the game plan necessitated more of a passing game. What's more, Forsett only got one more carry than Leon. So on more run heavy games, will he division of labor continue this way?

Just sayin' he might be worth holding just a bit longer.

 
250 return yards and 2 TDs may make a big difference in the real NFL, but Leon hasn't done squat for fantasy owners in traditional scoring leagues except take up a roster spot. Any reason why Leon actually gets used in the offense now? I pegged his talent level higher than Forsett's, but Carroll is giving Forsett all the opportunities so that assessment means nothing.

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
250 return yards and 2 TDs may make a big difference in the real NFL, but Leon hasn't done squat for fantasy owners in traditional scoring leagues except take up a roster spot. Any reason why Leon actually gets used in the offense now? I pegged his talent level higher than Forsett's, but Carroll is giving Forsett all the opportunities so that assessment means nothing.
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If you had been following it from the beginning, they have always said they would limit Washington's touches, between 5 to 10 touches including kickoffs. Granted, if Washington gets into a groove, I am sure they would give him more, but the plan was pretty much been to let Forsett get the bulk of the work, reading in between the lines.
 
MG345 said:
Grace Under Pressure said:
250 return yards and 2 TDs may make a big difference in the real NFL, but Leon hasn't done squat for fantasy owners in traditional scoring leagues except take up a roster spot. Any reason why Leon actually gets used in the offense now? I pegged his talent level higher than Forsett's, but Carroll is giving Forsett all the opportunities so that assessment means nothing.
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If you had been following it from the beginning, they have always said they would limit Washington's touches, between 5 to 10 touches including kickoffs. Granted, if Washington gets into a groove, I am sure they would give him more, but the plan was pretty much been to let Forsett get the bulk of the work, reading in between the lines.
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I agree, have been following it, and Forsett's been producing pretty well. Not great, but 4.7 ypc isn't bad at all. But I think that people saw Washington's potential as something akin to a Sproles or Bush type role in the offense, and he has not come close to that level of involvement. He could be producing something if in fact he was getting those 10 touches, but that's really just not happening.
 
Grace Under Pressure said:
MG345 said:
Grace Under Pressure said:
250 return yards and 2 TDs may make a big difference in the real NFL, but Leon hasn't done squat for fantasy owners in traditional scoring leagues except take up a roster spot. Any reason why Leon actually gets used in the offense now? I pegged his talent level higher than Forsett's, but Carroll is giving Forsett all the opportunities so that assessment means nothing.
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If you had been following it from the beginning, they have always said they would limit Washington's touches, between 5 to 10 touches including kickoffs. Granted, if Washington gets into a groove, I am sure they would give him more, but the plan was pretty much been to let Forsett get the bulk of the work, reading in between the lines.
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I agree, have been following it, and Forsett's been producing pretty well. Not great, but 4.7 ypc isn't bad at all. But I think that people saw Washington's potential as something akin to a Sproles or Bush type role in the offense, and he has not come close to that level of involvement. He could be producing something if in fact he was getting those 10 touches, but that's really just not happening.
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Sorry, I realize my comment kinda came out wrong. I didn't mean to imply that you hadn't been following it. Between kickoffs and carries, he has gotten right around 5 touches every game. You gotta realize they are still working him back into things, after his leg injury. Like you said Forsett is doing well enough, that they don't need to rush Washington back into the offense too fast. The main thing to me that is missing, is the receptions. And I think that will come, just based on somethings that have been said in interviews and such. I think Washington's only real value is going to be if Forsett gets injured, or in leagues with return yards.
 
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Does his 2 return TD performance last week help to get him more touches at RB, or solidify his role as a permanent return man?

I've been stashing him on my bench thinking he would eventually work his way up to the #1 RB in Seattle, but I can't afford to waste the bench spot much longer (could be in trouble this week with Charles on bye and Jackson questionable). Should I drop Washington or is he worth hanging on to?

 
I don't know that he'll be able to usurp Forsett as the #1. I love what Washington brings to the table when healthy, he's one of the most explosive RBs in the league IMO, but Forsett looks like he's solidifying his role as the starter. I do think they'll try and get Washington a few more touches on offense, which could make him a viable bye week/flex type in ppr, but it looks like Forsett may be the guy right now.

 
Anything change for him after yesterdays game? He lead the team in rushing yards with limited chances. Lynch hasn't been that good.

 
Really nothing? A few months ago this guy was on a lot of peoples break out boards. Now he's getting some opportunity and no interest in him. Even with an ailing Lynch. Forsett that lock to get the carries if Lynch is bothered?

 
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