fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He was a potential 1st round pick in ppr dynasty drafts. Most had him ranked in the 4-7 range among WRs in dynasty rankings. Where does he stack up now with Dez Bryant on board?
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Let's talk Austin Miles dynasty value (1 Viewer)
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Not sure i'd consider Roy a weapon. With Felix set to take over the primary RB position seems like the cowboys will be very much a pass 1st team. There have been a number of teams who have been able to support two top WRs. Still undecided what it does to him. Do certainly think the perception of him has gone down.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Why would Witten be gone? Romo loves the guy, he's a good team player and one of the best at his position. Good blocker and receiver. Dallas will have a 3 headed monster and Romo will be among the elite QBs.
Witten's contract ends in 2012.
Max Power
Footballguy
Yeah but Roy and Marion are easily replaceable pieces. Not sure why you think Witten will be gone.When a team has a TE catching 80-100 balls, its not likely to have two WRs catching 80-100 balls as well.
FUBAR
Footballguy
You know, teams sometimes do re-sign their own players.
zamboni
Footballguy
My first thought is that this has to hurt Austin's long-term value, but we have to see what kind of player Bryant is before we start the downgrade.
Bryant may have some serious talent, but we've seen time and again how that doesn't always translate at the NFL level. Not unlike the guy who he is about to replace.
Bryant may have some serious talent, but we've seen time and again how that doesn't always translate at the NFL level. Not unlike the guy who he is about to replace.
Max Power
Footballguy
True, but lets not also act like Miles Austin doesn't run the risk of being a one year wonder as well.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Great numbers but 250 yards of that came in one game. Thats unlikely to happen again.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - Austin could be a one-year wonder, but he certainly showed like he's got the goods. And just as importantly, he's got Romo's full trust right now. Bryant will have to earn that trust over time.
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Ned
Footballguy
He also did that in basically 12 games.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
fair point
Mr Two Cents
Footballguy
Almost traded for Miles, now I am glad I did not overpay and get him.
Dez "should" be the #1 receiver on that team for a long time, remember he is being compared to AJ, CJ and Crabtree, Way more talent than Miles.
Small hit on Witten, and Miles. Big upgrade to Romo. Color Roy irrelevant.
Dez "should" be the #1 receiver on that team for a long time, remember he is being compared to AJ, CJ and Crabtree, Way more talent than Miles.
Small hit on Witten, and Miles. Big upgrade to Romo. Color Roy irrelevant.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
If you figure Romo for a 4500 yard passer from here on out, i think the team can support both. Figure maybe 500 yards to the backs, 900 to Witten, 500 to the 3rd WR, backup TE etc, that still leaves 2600 for the two starting WRs. Obviously not an exact science .
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
Cris Carter was not hurt by the addition of Randy Moss.
Harrison/Wayne
Bruce/Holt
I could go on...
Lots of very successful passing attacks with more than one very good WR.
Harrison/Wayne
Bruce/Holt
I could go on...
Lots of very successful passing attacks with more than one very good WR.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
but two good WRs and a 1000 yard TE as well?
Max Power
Footballguy
That is a pretty elite list you've got right there. Austin is no where near the Carter, Bruce, Harrison tier.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Fixed.
Topes
Footballguy
So does the world. I think the Cowboys timed that perfectly.
You're expecting Witten to still be a 1000 yd TE when Bryant hits his peak in 3 years?That's wishful thinking.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I think this helps Austin,not hurt him...first off, Roy Williams *might* be headed for the chopping block, I mean, how many balls has he caught since joining the 'Boys? 57 recs in 2 years..I think the writing is on the wall - the Cowboys didn't draft White as a 3rd WR, they drafted him to replace Roy Williams..I think they cut Williams in June..
using the Giants as an example, Steve Smith's value skyrocketed with the arrival of Hakeem Nicks in 2009..so rather than hurting his value, Nicks helped propel Smith to his first Pro Bowl
I think the guy who posted ahead of your original post, nailed it on the head - White will contribute to Romo's numbers but will have no negative affect on Austin's numbers..in that prolific passing offense, Austin will still 'get his'.
MJD_Mafia
Footballguy
Miles Austin will attract safety help on deep routes, keeping the middle open for Witten and Bryant. The Bryant pick DEFINITELY hurts Austin's dynasty value. This is a great place for Bryant to land. He should basically be the #2 WR (in Dallas) from day 1. Witten should get a bump as well.
I hate the Cowboys, but I have to say they look like Super Bowl contenders if they can fix whatever the heck happened in the Minnesota game. They have a ridiculous number of offensive weapons at their disposal right now.
I hate the Cowboys, but I have to say they look like Super Bowl contenders if they can fix whatever the heck happened in the Minnesota game. They have a ridiculous number of offensive weapons at their disposal right now.
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Max Power
Footballguy
What? I think Plax going to jail helped Smiths stats more than Nicks coming along.I think this helps Austin,not hurt him...first off, Roy Williams *might* be headed for the chopping block, I mean, how many balls has he caught since joining the 'Boys? 57 recs in 2 years..I think the writing is on the wall - the Cowboys didn't draft White as a 3rd WR, they drafted him to replace Roy Williams..I think they cut Williams in June..
using the Giants as an example, Steve Smith's value skyrocketed with the arrival of Hakeem Nicks in 2009..so rather than hurting his value, Nicks helped propel Smith to his first Pro Bowl
I think the guy who posted ahead of your original post, nailed it on the head - White will contribute to Romo's numbers but will have no negative affect on Austin's numbers..in that prolific passing offense, Austin will still 'get his'.
FUBAR
Footballguy
What? I think Plax going to jail helped Smiths stats more than Nicks coming along.I think this helps Austin,not hurt him...first off, Roy Williams *might* be headed for the chopping block, I mean, how many balls has he caught since joining the 'Boys? 57 recs in 2 years..I think the writing is on the wall - the Cowboys didn't draft White as a 3rd WR, they drafted him to replace Roy Williams..I think they cut Williams in June..
using the Giants as an example, Steve Smith's value skyrocketed with the arrival of Hakeem Nicks in 2009..so rather than hurting his value, Nicks helped propel Smith to his first Pro Bowl
I think the guy who posted ahead of your original post, nailed it on the head - White will contribute to Romo's numbers but will have no negative affect on Austin's numbers..in that prolific passing offense, Austin will still 'get his'.
yeah, that's some nice history rewriting going on there.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
I think it has to hurt Austin's value long term. He is a very good WR, but I think in the long run Dez will overtake him.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I think the difference between Miles Austin and Greg Jennings got slimmer. That still makes Austin a #1 WR but he's not continuing his ascent to untouchable dynasty WR status. Austin was on a pace last year to be a PPR stud on top of being one of the top 3 deep threats in the league (had 76 receptions in his 12 games starting). Now, it's hard to see him breaking 80 receptions, at least in a consistent year-after-year basis.
az_prof
Footballguy
This is how I see it. In IND (Harrison and Wayne) or STL of old (Holt and Bruce) having two great WRs didn't hurt but those teams were geared to be pass crazy teams. I don't see Dallas regularly passing the ball 40 plus times a game. They have some great running weapons and historically are a team that likes to run the ball. So, it is hard to see any of these guys getting enough looks to be a top 5 type player. I see Austin being just outside the top 10 in 2010.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Does it hurt him? Sure. It hurts Roy a lot more. But it hurts Austin long term just because there are going to be less balls going his way. Witten and Romo are pals so Witten is getting his for as long as he's there and I can guarantee that he signs an extension.
If Dez is all they say he is, if he's another Crabtree (after signing) then Miles' numbers are going to slip. Not saying Miles is going to be an 800 yard 3 TD WR once Dez hits his peak, but I think his numbers will come back towards the mean at least somewhat...
If Dez is all they say he is, if he's another Crabtree (after signing) then Miles' numbers are going to slip. Not saying Miles is going to be an 800 yard 3 TD WR once Dez hits his peak, but I think his numbers will come back towards the mean at least somewhat...
bigmiiiiike
Footballguy
Let's not forget that rookie WRs usually have a minor impact in year 1. Austin should still get his 80 1200 8 as a floor for 2010. Beyond that, I don't see him dropping much more. At WORST, I see Austin's role becoming something like Colston's in NO.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
And for posterity:
mlball77
Footballguy
I see this very similarly. Bryant potentially kills Roy's value (in Dallas) and is a little ding to Austin's.
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
1980 San Diego Chargers-TE Winslow - 1290 receiving yardsWR Joiner- 1132 receiving yardsWR Jefferson- 1340 receiving yards
Steve Polychronopolous
Footballguy
well played
If only he could actually "possess" the ball.
You are implying they could have three 1000 yard receivers/TE along with Barber, Jones and Choice running the ball? Should we pen them down for 7k total yards? Something has to give...I am not sure where, but someone is going to be disappointed.
I see what you did in the title..............taking shots at Steve Young are we?
On topic, I really don't think Austin's dynasty value took a hit at all with the selection of Bryant. In fact, it may have gone up slightly. Williams is no threat to pull opposing defenders off of Austin over to his side, but Bryant should be able to do that. This will open up the field a little more for Austin. I hate to admit it because I really don't like the guy but Romo is a better QB than I had originally thought and should be able to spread the ball around enough over the next few years to make both Austin and Bryant very good dynasty WR's.
God I hated typing that.
On topic, I really don't think Austin's dynasty value took a hit at all with the selection of Bryant. In fact, it may have gone up slightly. Williams is no threat to pull opposing defenders off of Austin over to his side, but Bryant should be able to do that. This will open up the field a little more for Austin. I hate to admit it because I really don't like the guy but Romo is a better QB than I had originally thought and should be able to spread the ball around enough over the next few years to make both Austin and Bryant very good dynasty WR's.
God I hated typing that.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
With all due respect to them, that's just a few people who get excited every year and claim that year's #1 WR belongs in that class. That tier of "can't miss" WR prospects in recent history is Fitzgerald, Calvin, AJ, and Rogers. Dez does not belong in that group as a prospect, and frankly neither does Crabtree really.There's no way any of those guys would have slid anywhere NEAR the 25th pick.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
This is pretty much the age old unsolvable argument in football with multiple good WRs. Some people say that having another good receiver takes pressure and coverage off the other guy, making him better. Some say that it takes targets away from the other guy, making his numbers worse. Both make logical sense, but obviously they contradict each other.Anyway, it's pretty useless to bring up examples of either because for every example of one, there is an example of the other to counteract it. It's pretty clear that it's all dependent on various other factors within each particular case.using the Giants as an example, Steve Smith's value skyrocketed with the arrival of Hakeem Nicks in 2009..so rather than hurting his value, Nicks helped propel Smith to his first Pro Bowl
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Why not? Randy Moss did. The main difference between those receiver are the supposed character flaws of Bryant. While I think he is a step below Fitz/Calvin/AJ, I don't think its a big step.
1132 was good for WR14 in yardage last year. I'd say that's a drop from his 5-7 current dynasty ranking.
Tau837
Footballguy
Yeah, but Miles = Jefferson, not Joiner...
duece2626
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Jefferson?he held out and got traded, then replaced by wes chandler.
