Lets talk Caddy (1 Viewer)

[hoofnstang]

Since this guy was such a let down this year, I wanted to see how you guys view him going forward. Was it just a sophomore slump, did he struggle due to the offensive line injuries, or is this just what we should expect out of him?

I'm considering trading him in a dynasty, but not sure what his value is, and whether I should hold onto him or not.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I think he will have a nice comeback, the Bucs OL had issues last year, and that's saying nothing of their problems at QB. As soon as they get some continuity on offense, Caddy should be a regular producer IMO.

 

[mlball77]

A little discussion here: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=299430&hl=

I recently traded for Caddy in dynasty, but am still uncertain about him. I guess I like his upside enough to gamble on him. I have one acquaintance that is a big TB homer, and he feels Caddy is likely to bounce back due to an improved o-line in 07 and QB play better than what Gradkowski brought to the table. I guess I'm hoping he's right.

 

[Cenobite]

I'm in a PPR quasi-dynasty league. Ever since Caddy was a rookie Gruden talked about him being part of the passing game. It hasn't happened yet and I don't see it happening while Pitman is there. I do think that he is capable of 1200 yds. and 7-9 TDs. He is an attractive buy-low cadidate especially in dynasty leagues as he will only get better.

 

[Warhogs]

A little discussion here: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=299430&hl=

I recently traded for Caddy in dynasty, but am still uncertain about him. I guess I like his upside enough to gamble on him. I have one acquaintance that is a big TB homer, and he feels Caddy is likely to bounce back due to an improved o-line in 07 and QB play better than what Gradkowski brought to the table. I guess I'm hoping he's right.

What did you give up for Caddy? I own him on a couple of dynasty teams and have not tried to trade him thinking that his value is maybe at a low point.

 

[tmanubc]

A little discussion here: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=299430&hl=

I recently traded for Caddy in dynasty, but am still uncertain about him. I guess I like his upside enough to gamble on him. I have one acquaintance that is a big TB homer, and he feels Caddy is likely to bounce back due to an improved o-line in 07 and QB play better than what Gradkowski brought to the table. I guess I'm hoping he's right.

What did you give up for Caddy? I own him on a couple of dynasty teams and have not tried to trade him thinking that his value is maybe at a low point.

not to intercept but I just traded for Caddy yesterday. PPR dynasty, big bonus for 100 yds rushing (5 pts when tds are 6 pts)I sent McGahee/Atrain for Caddy/Pittman/Chris Henry

McGahee just seems to have some character issues and is facing some contract stalemates which could lead to a hold out or similar type of mess. I like Caddy's upside in ppr and since he has a LOT to prove yet I know he'll be hungry. Chris Henry is a mess upstairs but is too talented to not consider a nice addition to the deal. I can wait till week 5 for his services

 

[Steelnation]

Caddy next year

 

[noneother]

i traded caddy away for boldin

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Undervalued in dynasty right now.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Trade him before his value sinks any lower.

 

[FTRWRTR]

I think last year was a sophomore slump...the addition of calvin johnson will help. I agree that he's undervalued in most dynasty leagues and is a great buy low candidate

 

[EBF]

I traded D-Will and Dunn for Caddy and Moats in a Misfits league recently.

To put the deal into context, my team is entering a rebuilding phase and I wanted to secure a good long-term talent. I think DeAngelo Williams has a much better chance of having a top 10 season next year, but I've simply never liked his skills. Caddy was my #1 RB in his class and I think he's a better runner than D-Will.

I've always compared Caddy to Curtis Martin and I think that comparison holds. They have roughly the same build and skills. The problem for Caddy right now is that the Bucs are in disarray. His FF output is going to be mediocre until the team solves its problems.

 

[FTRWRTR]

I traded D-Will and Dunn for Caddy and Moats in a Misfits league recently.

sorry to hijack but I like that deal

 

[EBF]

I traded D-Will and Dunn for Caddy and Moats in a Misfits league recently.

sorry to hijack but I like that deal

I agonized over it for a while. Dunn was worthless to me and is likely near the end of his career. Swapping him for Moats was a no-brainer given my team's low chances of making a serious title run in 2007. But the deal will probably come down to Caddy vs. D-Will. You have to like D-Will's versatility and his production as a rookie. He caught some passes and did some things to suggest he might be able to assume a Brian Westbrook type role. However, I just can't shake the fact that I wasn't all that impressed with him as a prospect. I feel like Cadillac is a more dynamic talent and is more likely to consistently hold down a starting RB job.It's one of those deals that could break either way. I feel like Caddy is a very good player when healthy, so as long as he stays healthy then I think the worst case scenario is that I traded one very good player for another very good player. Kevin Jones is my other starting RB, so it made some sense for me to deal for a guy who might suck in 2007. If I'm weak in 2007, I might have a chance at one of the elite RBs in the rookie draft. Then I'd be able to come out in 2008 with a healthy KJ, Cadillac, and maybe a guy like Darren McFadden. That would make me a realistic contender again. I also traded Hines Ward for a 2008 1st, so I've got some flexibility.

 

[Sabertooth]

Caddy is awesome, I don't think anybody questions that. The only reason Ronnie Brown does better each year is that the Dolphins boast a line full of Pro-Bowlers.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Undervalued in dynasty right now.

Yes, his OL sucks, but this isn't Kevan Barlow we're talking about. He's still a very promising back, and he should put up fairly solid stats next year. He'll explode if TB can get some OL help.

 

[jeter23]

Undervalued in dynasty right now.

I agree, although I am not a big fan of his. Many owners are placig him just one step ahead of Jordan and Droughns. They all had disappointing seasons, but Caddy is much younger and is the definite starter, for next year, at least.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I wish he were undervalued in MY leagues. Everyone that has him in my leagues is sitting on him.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I just traded for him

Trade: I get Caddy + 1st round rookie pick 1.06 + first round pick in next years draft.

I give up TO + Robbie Gould.

I talk about this in another thread but I am going to cut Caddy only to sign him to a lesser contract.

but I believe he is a great buy low candidate and his offense around him can only get better. The question isn't Caddy, who still has the drive and runs hard.....its his offense around him that should get CJ or Joe Thomas to help him.

 

[EBF]

I just traded for himTrade: I get Caddy + 1st round rookie pick 1.06 + first round pick in next years draft.I give up TO + Robbie Gould.I talk about this in another thread but I am going to cut Caddy only to sign him to a lesser contract.but I believe he is a great buy low candidate and his offense around him can only get better. The question isn't Caddy, who still has the drive and runs hard.....its his offense around him that should get CJ or Joe Thomas to help him.

That is robbery. I don't even know if I'd give up one first round pick for TO.

 

[Couch Potato]

I just traded for himTrade: I get Caddy + 1st round rookie pick 1.06 + first round pick in next years draft.I give up TO + Robbie Gould.

 

[jeter23]

I just traded for himTrade: I get Caddy + 1st round rookie pick 1.06 + first round pick in next years draft.I give up TO + Robbie Gould.I talk about this in another thread but I am going to cut Caddy only to sign him to a lesser contract.but I believe he is a great buy low candidate and his offense around him can only get better. The question isn't Caddy, who still has the drive and runs hard.....its his offense around him that should get CJ or Joe Thomas to help him.

Very nice trade!

 

[Ed Wood]

I've got Caddy in a dynasty and tried to move him but his perceived value is so low that I've stopped shopping him.

I keep telling myself I need to take the longview and things should be better in 2007.

• Their first two picks in 2006 were on offensive linemen who were hurt a good chunk of last year.

• They had countless other injuries on the offensive line.

• Simms went down and the opposing Ds never had any respect for the pass.

• Gruden wants Caddy to carry the load and said he underused him in 2005. "We'll try to get him the ball a little bit more than we did a year ago….He might carry the ball 500 times. I don't know." (from August 6).

Keep the faith...

 

[fruity pebbles]

His 7 TDs in over 500 carries is concerning to me.

 

[Sabertooth]

His 7 TDs in over 500 carries is concerning to me.

Especially considering that was one of his strengths coming out.

 

[zamboni]

His 7 TDs in over 500 carries is concerning to me.

Agreed, although he lost about 7 or so TDs to Alstott in 2005, and there were few goal line opps to be found at all last year. A-Train is likely going to retire, so unless they get another vulture (which is still possible), that threat may be gone.Overall, I'm surprised at how many people are dismissing Caddy. Yes, he had a miserable year, but it's not like he all of a sudden forgot how to run the ball after winning ROY. It's seemingly clear that he's not quite good enough to make things happen on his own, and there are definitely some big time needed improvements at QB and the OL.But as we've seen time and time again, things change very quickly in the NFL. Gruden could bring in a solid veteran QB, or a weak OL can quickly become a solid unit.As others have said, I see him as a great buy low/value pick.

 

[Ed Wood]

His 7 TDs in over 500 carries is concerning to me.

The amount of carries was exaggerated, of course. The meaning, though, is clear. Unfortunately, so are the TD totals. Hopefully Gruden will tell Caddy to "prove it" much like Cowher told Parker to prove it in 2006.

 

[Ed Wood]

His 7 TDs in over 500 carries is concerning to me.

Agreed, although he lost about 7 or so TDs to Alstott in 2005, and there were few goal line opps to be found at all last year. A-Train is likely going to retire, so unless they get another vulture (which is still possible), that threat may be gone.Overall, I'm surprised at how many people are dismissing Caddy. Yes, he had a miserable year, but it's not like he all of a sudden forgot how to run the ball after winning ROY. It's seemingly clear that he's not quite good enough to make things happen on his own, and there are definitely some big time needed improvements at QB and the OL.But as we've seen time and time again, things change very quickly in the NFL. Gruden could bring in a solid veteran QB, or a weak OL can quickly become a solid unit.As others have said, I see him as a great buy low/value pick.

Totally agree. Buy him low if you can; don't sell low if you can avoid it.

 

[Blackjacks]

Caddy is awesome, I don't think anybody questions that. The only reason Ronnie Brown does better each year is that the Dolphins boast a line full of Pro-Bowlers.

 

[BeTheMatch]

His 7 TDs in over 500 carries is concerning to me.

Agreed, although he lost about 7 or so TDs to Alstott in 2005, and there were few goal line opps to be found at all last year. A-Train is likely going to retire, so unless they get another vulture (which is still possible), that threat may be gone.

Schefter is reporting today that Alstott has a good chance to play another year.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

BUST from day he was drafted! And I called it from the start!

Hope them experts continue to list him a first round pick. MORE POWER TO ME. I have never owned him and never will!

 

[Capella]

BUST from day he was drafted! And I called it from the start!

 

[Sabertooth]

Caddy is awesome, I don't think anybody questions that. The only reason Ronnie Brown does better each year is that the Dolphins boast a line full of Pro-Bowlers.

 

[fruity pebbles]

His 7 TDs in over 500 carries is concerning to me.

The amount of carries was exaggerated, of course. The meaning, though, is clear. Unfortunately, so are the TD totals. Hopefully Gruden will tell Caddy to "prove it" much like Cowher told Parker to prove it in 2006.

How was the number of carries exaggerated. He's had 515 over 2 years and 7 TDs.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Yes, he had a miserable year, but it's not like he all of a sudden forgot how to run the ball after winning ROY.

Anthony Thomas was Rookie of the Year once too.Trade him before he becomes a "throw in".

 

[Yitbos69]

Yes, he had a miserable year, but it's not like he all of a sudden forgot how to run the ball after winning ROY.

Anthony Thomas was Rookie of the Year once too.Trade him before he becomes a "throw in".

I forgot about A-Train......he had so much promise after his Rookie Season..Then he got hurt and came back and had a pretty good 3rd season.....but has not been good the last 3 seasons

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Yes, he had a miserable year, but it's not like he all of a sudden forgot how to run the ball after winning ROY.

Anthony Thomas was Rookie of the Year once too.Trade him before he becomes a "throw in".

Kit can you say a little more about why you are so sure that Caddy will not amount to anything?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

In addition to the PUTRID offense in Tampa this year, the Pewter Report guys hinted that Caddy's back issues lingered this year. You might see that as a bigger negative (he can't stay healthy?), but it does at least partially acquit his terrible season.

 

[fruity pebbles]

In addition to the PUTRID offense in Tampa this year, the Pewter Report guys hinted that Caddy's back issues lingered this year. You might see that as a bigger negative (he can't stay healthy?), but it does at least partially acquit his terrible season.

Weren't they talking about his back being a possibly chronic type condition? I know Caddy denied it but I don't know.

 

[Ed Wood]

His 7 TDs in over 500 carries is concerning to me.

The amount of carries was exaggerated, of course. The meaning, though, is clear. Unfortunately, so are the TD totals. Hopefully Gruden will tell Caddy to "prove it" much like Cowher told Parker to prove it in 2006.

How was the number of carries exaggerated. He's had 515 over 2 years and 7 TDs.

The quote was: "We'll try to get him the ball a little bit more than we did a year ago….He might carry the ball 500 times. I don't know."He was saying he might carry the ball 500 times in 2006, clearly an exaggeration.

 

[fruity pebbles]

His 7 TDs in over 500 carries is concerning to me.

The amount of carries was exaggerated, of course. The meaning, though, is clear. Unfortunately, so are the TD totals. Hopefully Gruden will tell Caddy to "prove it" much like Cowher told Parker to prove it in 2006.

How was the number of carries exaggerated. He's had 515 over 2 years and 7 TDs.

The quote was: "We'll try to get him the ball a little bit more than we did a year ago….He might carry the ball 500 times. I don't know."He was saying he might carry the ball 500 times in 2006, clearly an exaggeration.

Oh I see where you're coming from. I was referring to the number of acrries he's already had in his career.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

In addition to the PUTRID offense in Tampa this year, the Pewter Report guys hinted that Caddy's back issues lingered this year. You might see that as a bigger negative (he can't stay healthy?), but it does at least partially acquit his terrible season.

Weren't they talking about his back being a possibly chronic type condition? I know Caddy denied it but I don't know.

I heard murmurs of that back at the beginning of the year - definitely something yet to be seen, but I have faith in Caddy and medical science.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Yes, he had a miserable year, but it's not like he all of a sudden forgot how to run the ball after winning ROY.

Anthony Thomas was Rookie of the Year once too.Trade him before he becomes a "throw in".

Kit can you say a little more about why you are so sure that Caddy will not amount to anything?

Just a gut feeling I have that he isn't "special" or "elite" like many who drafted him hoped he would be.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Yes, he had a miserable year, but it's not like he all of a sudden forgot how to run the ball after winning ROY.

Anthony Thomas was Rookie of the Year once too.Trade him before he becomes a "throw in".

Kit can you say a little more about why you are so sure that Caddy will not amount to anything?

Just a gut feeling I have that he isn't "special" or "elite" like many who drafted him hoped he would be.

I can see that, but you went straight from "not special" to "soon to be on the trashheap"

 

[pyite76]

I love Cadillac but just traded him in my 10 team dynasty league.

I got Roy Williams and the first pick in the second (#11 overall) and the first pick in the 3rd (#21)

for Caddy, Pittman, Ed Reed and the #19 overall.

I think I got some good return on him. Earlier in the year I traded for him. Gave up Kevin Jones and my first rounder (#8) for Caddy and his second (#13). Still have the 13th pick.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Yes, he had a miserable year, but it's not like he all of a sudden forgot how to run the ball after winning ROY.

Anthony Thomas was Rookie of the Year once too.Trade him before he becomes a "throw in".

Kit can you say a little more about why you are so sure that Caddy will not amount to anything?

Just a gut feeling I have that he isn't "special" or "elite" like many who drafted him hoped he would be.

I can see that, but you went straight from "not special" to "soon to be on the trashheap"

I'm just making the comparison to A-Train...2001.) ROY

2002.) Had a disappointing year.

2003.) Couldn't figure out what Chicago didn't like about his game in year 3 other than he missed 3 games.

2004.) In comes Thomas Jones. Serves as backup.

2005.) New Orleans as a backup.

2006.) Buffalo as a backup.

I won't deny, this is a BIG year for Caddy. Should he bounce back to rookie form.. yeah, great for his owners. But if he doesn't, fantasy owners will only be able to trade him as insurance for another back. Hence the term "throw in". Deft fantasy owners need to see the writing on the wall before their fellow owners do. It's my gut feeling the writing's going up...

Does anyone (other than people who own him) really think of him as "elite"? I just see a lot of similarities with Caddy and other RBs who were drafted high, but disappointed.

 

[H.K.]

Does anyone (other than people who own him) really think of him as "elite"? I just see a lot of similarities with Caddy and other RBs who were drafted high, but disappointed.

He could be elite if given more opportunity. Here is what concerns me from a PPR perspective:Williams43 targets for 30 receptsPittman76 targets for 47 receptsGranted, Willimas missed two games, but that doesn't make up for the delta. Pittman is 32 and can play another year or two in his role, one would think anyway. I'll need to hear more about Caddy and how he'll be used in the preseason before I know how to place an accurate value on him.

 

[Ariakis]

I'm the one EBF traded with in the Caddy for Deangelo swap. I figure I've seen enough of Caddy between not being able to succeed without help around him, the chronic injuries, and a team that may take awhile to rebuild. Perhaps Deangelo won't be a stud but I think he has the same approximate value, more upside, and perhaps less downside other than the risk he hasn't had a history of NFL success yet.

 

[Keg]

A little discussion here: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=299430&hl=

I recently traded for Caddy in dynasty, but am still uncertain about him. I guess I like his upside enough to gamble on him. I have one acquaintance that is a big TB homer, and he feels Caddy is likely to bounce back due to an improved o-line in 07 and QB play better than what Gradkowski brought to the table. I guess I'm hoping he's right.

What did you give up for Caddy? I own him on a couple of dynasty teams and have not tried to trade him thinking that his value is maybe at a low point.

TB wasnt a very good place to be productive offensive wise last yr that is for surefor people wondering the kinda deals caddy is going in here is one i did for him back on November 10th(16 team IDP)

I dealt away: Kellen Winslow(8),Kiwi(3),Shaun Williams(1)

I got: Caddy(5),CAnderson(2), Pickett(1), Wilhelm(3), SCooper(3),Michael Lewis(4)

( )=contract length

I was one of the worst teams in the league since i was doing a complete rebuild and the other team had aspirations of a championship...he did not win the SB i ended up with 1.1

Drafted Reggie Bush last year, acquired Caddy and will probably draft AP...hopefully that will be a nice stable for the years to come

 

[Ariakis]

And for the record this is a 2 UTIL league where MB3, MJD, Chester Taylor, and Deangelo Williams will be starters and Dunn, Greg Jones, and Michael Robinson my depth. As a RB5 Dunn seems to be a good short-term value for a roster spot. At WR I have Steve Smith and one of Burress or Colston and the other for depth. I could start a 3rd WR if I bench my 4th RB also viable for bye weeks or if Dunn isn't an option. I've been actually trying to shop another 2 for 1 to turn Chester and something into an elite RB1. I also have Crayton, Brandon Jones, Sinorice Moss, and Demetrius Williams for flier depth.