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Let's talk draft strategy Re-drafts Pick#1 (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Ministry of Pain
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bocksheesh
Footballguy
Greatly outproduce? No. Outproduce? Yes.I still think the spread you get between a guy you take at 3.06 vs. 5.01 will be significantly greater.
At 1.01 vs. 1.06, you're talking about LT vs. a Deuce McCallister/Jamal Lewis/Willis McGahee.
At 3.06 vs. 5.01, you're talking about a Javon Walker/Stephen Jackson vs. a Isaac Bruce/Michael Bennett
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
IMHO you take TO, although it is close with Walker - horn is a distant thirdGood Luck
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Well I thought I would share what happened in my draft. I was very disappointed at first, but after looking at the team strengths overall in my DD software I ranked 1st. Not sure how to take that as I have done that in 2 other leagues. I am amazed at some really strong middle round picks that I try and target get takend rounds before I have a chance to grab them...I would encourage you to throw most of the ADP out the window...if you have a chance to get the guy you want and you really believe he is a big difference maker, I say grab him!
12 team league, 1QB/1RB/2WR/1TE/1-FLex/1PK/1Def/ST
4Pts PassTD, 6Pts rush/rec, 1pt 25pas/10rush/10rec...3pt bonus 300pass/100yds combined rushing or receiving.
1.01: L.Tomlinson: No justification needed I guess. I chix out on Priest and wanted to simply take a guy that if he stays healthy should be a lock somewhere in the top...top7-8 for sure. I might not win with this pick and I am not expecting Tomlinson to actually end the season #1...but top3-5 would be great. I didn't want to be out of the running come the 3rd week of the season.
2.12: Let me first say that there were 5 WR taken before this pick...none of that super elite top5(Moss, Owens, Holt, CJ, Harrison), none of them fell to me. Was MASSIVELY DISAPPOINTED! MASSIVELY! Only Manning went at the #3 spot...I didn't want to feel pressure to take Culpepper. Curtis Martin was on the board and #14 on my board...I would have rather had Lamont Jordan but the bozo that took Manning at #3 grabbed Jordan on the way down...I asked him if he thought Jordan was primed for a big year...he shrugged his shoulders as if to say who knows? He didn't even realize what he was getting IMO. I looked at Steven Jackson here for the flex, he's younger but I just feel that CuMart will see the ball more often. I also looked at my colored tiers that I printed out and CuMart was the last of my 3rd tier RB so I had to take him if I believe in what I preach around here.
3.01: Javon Walker: Again I looked at my tiers and he was one of the few topflight WR ont he board. I could have grabbed Jackson here as my 3rd RB or Culpepper and been done with it. I considered Reggie Wayne here too because I could grab Donald Driver on the 4th/5th turn. I thought it was to grab 1 strong WR and settled on Walker.
4.12: Larry Fitzgerald: Plain and simple, players were flying off the board b4 the ADP that I was working off of...I could risk trying to get him in the latter part of the 6th round...wasn't gonna happen. I have him in my top12 for projections...he will have to perform high to justify this pick. Michael Clayton went at 4.10...I couldn't get him. Roy Williams, Steve Smith, DJax, H.Ward, and Drew Bennett all went in this round...I had to lock up someone. Boldin went at 5.02...than the Chris Chambers of the world started to become available. Driver would have been here but I already took Walker which I am happy with, he is clearly the better WR of the 2 of them...Driver benefits from Walker.
5.01: Marc Bulger:No value anywhere. Too early to start to grabbing Eddie Kennison...or so I thought(went at 6.02!), and Tatum bell, "Cadillac" Williams, JJ Arington, all long gone...DeShawn Foster gone, Ronnie Brown, Mike Bennett, Barlow, Suggs and Fred Taylor were the RB available for a 3rd RB here. Thing is we only have to start 1RB...I felt like maybe I could justify Bulger who I think has the best trio of WR in the NFL to work with, short of Manning perhaps. I am high on the Rams pass attack this season...Jackson will help them by doing well in his limited carries on the ground...so it's Bombs away at QB and take Bulger with this pick. I know Bulger gets lumped nto a group that goes from him at #4 to about Aaron Brroks at #12...maybe even a little further....they can't all be all stars this year. Bulger is one of the few from that pack that could creep into the top2-3 in the league, why not roll the dice on him here.
6.12: Chris Brown: Far from sexy but the fact is brown did rush for 1,000 yds last season. Fact is he is relatively healthy right now. Fact is Norm Chow's offense favors short passes and he can catch the ball...he might get 3-4 catches a game...a huge plus for someone I am loking for Flex/Bye week filler from. Believe it or not Larry Johnson was on the board here...makes me sick to think the owner drafted him and didn't have to burn the high pick...(However that dumb owner didn't grab him and now simply has Priest, LJ went at 7.02). Thomas Jones was available but I hate the Chicago offense and Cedric Benson's production is up in the air...Bettis was available...that's abou it. Maybe not a great pick but it secured me a #3RB and that was fine with me. Henry is not 100% right now so looks like Brown will be the starter on opening day.
7.01: Isaac Bruce: Again this is far from a sexy pick but after a boom or bust selection like Fitz in the 4th you better come up with some steady eddies to balance out your team. Yeah I would have liked to have grabbed Branch, but I also wanted some piints I could count on. I have heard the reports of his heart...and you'll see how I backed this pick up later. I now have a nice connection with Bulger/Bruce that should lead to some nice points. If Bruce can give me 1,000 yds and 6-8 TD I will be very happy.
8.12: Donte Stallworth: At thi spoint is simply a matter of taste/choice. I had Stallworth in my top25 and ahead of Bruce but I gambled I could get him here. As a WR4 in a 12 team league he will far outplay a 40-48 ranking IMO. I think I did well getting him.
9.01: Aaron Brooks: I could have waited at QB but I could see everyone had a #1Qb but 1 team so I wanted to get my 2nd QB before the QB2 rush...wanted to be ahead. While there are a lot of QB...Brooks was the last of my top12 group. I felt it would be better to get him on my team. Their was nothing at RB/WR I desired here. TE would wait 1 more round as the Shockeys/Crumplers/Clarks were long gone. I had my eye on LJ Smith but I thought I might get him on the next turn. My 1-2 punch of Bulger/Brooks gave me a good advantage over most of the other teams except for the guy that took Kerry Collins/Michael Vick in back to back round of 5 and 6.
10.12: L.J.Smith: Not going to over hype him but I thought this was good value down in the late 10th round.
11.01: Kevin Curtis: If Bruce has health issues or is any kind of risk...or if god forbid Holt ever pulled up gimpy, this guy is ready to roll. I had to use a 7th and 11th round pick to lock up a good portion of the Rams pass attack. I like this pick better now knowing I already have Bruce. LLoyd and Randel El went right after him, I don't feel like I am missing out too much.
12.12: Derrick Blaylock: I'm not sold he would do well if he did have to start but with CuMart being as old as he is and with the wear and tear I thought it wise to back him up. If LT goes down I'm ####ed so I am not going to reach for Turner(he did look good today), but I felt better about CuMart once I had his backup.
13.01: Cincinnati: They play Cleveland twice, Chicago, and a bunch of other rather easy teams to defense against. I sort of followed Chase on this one and will get the other part to this combo later in the draft. All the teams had their starting defenses and I didn't want to get stuck sorting through the trash for a defense.
14.12: Joey Galloway: Won't be starting him very often but he could benefit from michael Clayton double teams. A 750+ yd and 5-7TD season would not surprise me...could be used as a filler in a trade for 1 of the needy teams in this league.
15.01: Frank Gore: In his limited carries in the preseason has looked sharp. Not expecting 1,000 yards from him but if San Fran goes down hill they might turn to him and see what he can do. I do not expect Barlow to run 300 times this season. Gore will get action.
16.12: Brandon Jones: I have grabbed him late in all my drafts. he is in a great situation and might prove valuable, I know rookie WR never do much but he could surprise. McNair is going to throw one way or the other...people will see just how good he made Mason look while he was in TN. He is my WR7 so it doesn't matter if he bombs, I'm not losing anything.
17.01 Detroit Lions: Read Chase's article. This combined with Cinci makes a nice DBBC this season. Detroit also has a great return man in Drummond.
18.12: Mike Nugent: I flip thru Kickers all season till I get comfy with 1. We had to draft 1 PK or I would not have taken any till right before the 1st week of the season. Nugent plays KC the 1st week and it should be a fireworks extravaganza so that's why I chose him, very simple.
That's my draft. Don't rate my team, DD software had it ranked #1 overall. I seem to be in the top3-4 in most categories so that's probably why it rated high on the team strengths part of the DD software.
QB: Bulger, Brooks
RB: LT2, CuMart, C.Brown, Blaylock, F.Gore
WR: J.Walker, L.Fitz, I.Bruce, D.Stallworth, K.Curtis, J.Galloway, B.Jones
TE: LJ SMith
PK: Nugent
Def/ST: Cincinnati and Detroit
Hope this helps some of you. Fire away with questions and I will try and answer them.
12 team league, 1QB/1RB/2WR/1TE/1-FLex/1PK/1Def/ST
4Pts PassTD, 6Pts rush/rec, 1pt 25pas/10rush/10rec...3pt bonus 300pass/100yds combined rushing or receiving.
1.01: L.Tomlinson: No justification needed I guess. I chix out on Priest and wanted to simply take a guy that if he stays healthy should be a lock somewhere in the top...top7-8 for sure. I might not win with this pick and I am not expecting Tomlinson to actually end the season #1...but top3-5 would be great. I didn't want to be out of the running come the 3rd week of the season.
2.12: Let me first say that there were 5 WR taken before this pick...none of that super elite top5(Moss, Owens, Holt, CJ, Harrison), none of them fell to me. Was MASSIVELY DISAPPOINTED! MASSIVELY! Only Manning went at the #3 spot...I didn't want to feel pressure to take Culpepper. Curtis Martin was on the board and #14 on my board...I would have rather had Lamont Jordan but the bozo that took Manning at #3 grabbed Jordan on the way down...I asked him if he thought Jordan was primed for a big year...he shrugged his shoulders as if to say who knows? He didn't even realize what he was getting IMO. I looked at Steven Jackson here for the flex, he's younger but I just feel that CuMart will see the ball more often. I also looked at my colored tiers that I printed out and CuMart was the last of my 3rd tier RB so I had to take him if I believe in what I preach around here.
3.01: Javon Walker: Again I looked at my tiers and he was one of the few topflight WR ont he board. I could have grabbed Jackson here as my 3rd RB or Culpepper and been done with it. I considered Reggie Wayne here too because I could grab Donald Driver on the 4th/5th turn. I thought it was to grab 1 strong WR and settled on Walker.
4.12: Larry Fitzgerald: Plain and simple, players were flying off the board b4 the ADP that I was working off of...I could risk trying to get him in the latter part of the 6th round...wasn't gonna happen. I have him in my top12 for projections...he will have to perform high to justify this pick. Michael Clayton went at 4.10...I couldn't get him. Roy Williams, Steve Smith, DJax, H.Ward, and Drew Bennett all went in this round...I had to lock up someone. Boldin went at 5.02...than the Chris Chambers of the world started to become available. Driver would have been here but I already took Walker which I am happy with, he is clearly the better WR of the 2 of them...Driver benefits from Walker.
5.01: Marc Bulger:No value anywhere. Too early to start to grabbing Eddie Kennison...or so I thought(went at 6.02!), and Tatum bell, "Cadillac" Williams, JJ Arington, all long gone...DeShawn Foster gone, Ronnie Brown, Mike Bennett, Barlow, Suggs and Fred Taylor were the RB available for a 3rd RB here. Thing is we only have to start 1RB...I felt like maybe I could justify Bulger who I think has the best trio of WR in the NFL to work with, short of Manning perhaps. I am high on the Rams pass attack this season...Jackson will help them by doing well in his limited carries on the ground...so it's Bombs away at QB and take Bulger with this pick. I know Bulger gets lumped nto a group that goes from him at #4 to about Aaron Brroks at #12...maybe even a little further....they can't all be all stars this year. Bulger is one of the few from that pack that could creep into the top2-3 in the league, why not roll the dice on him here.
6.12: Chris Brown: Far from sexy but the fact is brown did rush for 1,000 yds last season. Fact is he is relatively healthy right now. Fact is Norm Chow's offense favors short passes and he can catch the ball...he might get 3-4 catches a game...a huge plus for someone I am loking for Flex/Bye week filler from. Believe it or not Larry Johnson was on the board here...makes me sick to think the owner drafted him and didn't have to burn the high pick...(However that dumb owner didn't grab him and now simply has Priest, LJ went at 7.02). Thomas Jones was available but I hate the Chicago offense and Cedric Benson's production is up in the air...Bettis was available...that's abou it. Maybe not a great pick but it secured me a #3RB and that was fine with me. Henry is not 100% right now so looks like Brown will be the starter on opening day.
7.01: Isaac Bruce: Again this is far from a sexy pick but after a boom or bust selection like Fitz in the 4th you better come up with some steady eddies to balance out your team. Yeah I would have liked to have grabbed Branch, but I also wanted some piints I could count on. I have heard the reports of his heart...and you'll see how I backed this pick up later. I now have a nice connection with Bulger/Bruce that should lead to some nice points. If Bruce can give me 1,000 yds and 6-8 TD I will be very happy.
8.12: Donte Stallworth: At thi spoint is simply a matter of taste/choice. I had Stallworth in my top25 and ahead of Bruce but I gambled I could get him here. As a WR4 in a 12 team league he will far outplay a 40-48 ranking IMO. I think I did well getting him.
9.01: Aaron Brooks: I could have waited at QB but I could see everyone had a #1Qb but 1 team so I wanted to get my 2nd QB before the QB2 rush...wanted to be ahead. While there are a lot of QB...Brooks was the last of my top12 group. I felt it would be better to get him on my team. Their was nothing at RB/WR I desired here. TE would wait 1 more round as the Shockeys/Crumplers/Clarks were long gone. I had my eye on LJ Smith but I thought I might get him on the next turn. My 1-2 punch of Bulger/Brooks gave me a good advantage over most of the other teams except for the guy that took Kerry Collins/Michael Vick in back to back round of 5 and 6.
10.12: L.J.Smith: Not going to over hype him but I thought this was good value down in the late 10th round.
11.01: Kevin Curtis: If Bruce has health issues or is any kind of risk...or if god forbid Holt ever pulled up gimpy, this guy is ready to roll. I had to use a 7th and 11th round pick to lock up a good portion of the Rams pass attack. I like this pick better now knowing I already have Bruce. LLoyd and Randel El went right after him, I don't feel like I am missing out too much.
12.12: Derrick Blaylock: I'm not sold he would do well if he did have to start but with CuMart being as old as he is and with the wear and tear I thought it wise to back him up. If LT goes down I'm ####ed so I am not going to reach for Turner(he did look good today), but I felt better about CuMart once I had his backup.
13.01: Cincinnati: They play Cleveland twice, Chicago, and a bunch of other rather easy teams to defense against. I sort of followed Chase on this one and will get the other part to this combo later in the draft. All the teams had their starting defenses and I didn't want to get stuck sorting through the trash for a defense.
14.12: Joey Galloway: Won't be starting him very often but he could benefit from michael Clayton double teams. A 750+ yd and 5-7TD season would not surprise me...could be used as a filler in a trade for 1 of the needy teams in this league.
15.01: Frank Gore: In his limited carries in the preseason has looked sharp. Not expecting 1,000 yards from him but if San Fran goes down hill they might turn to him and see what he can do. I do not expect Barlow to run 300 times this season. Gore will get action.
16.12: Brandon Jones: I have grabbed him late in all my drafts. he is in a great situation and might prove valuable, I know rookie WR never do much but he could surprise. McNair is going to throw one way or the other...people will see just how good he made Mason look while he was in TN. He is my WR7 so it doesn't matter if he bombs, I'm not losing anything.
17.01 Detroit Lions: Read Chase's article. This combined with Cinci makes a nice DBBC this season. Detroit also has a great return man in Drummond.
18.12: Mike Nugent: I flip thru Kickers all season till I get comfy with 1. We had to draft 1 PK or I would not have taken any till right before the 1st week of the season. Nugent plays KC the 1st week and it should be a fireworks extravaganza so that's why I chose him, very simple.
That's my draft. Don't rate my team, DD software had it ranked #1 overall. I seem to be in the top3-4 in most categories so that's probably why it rated high on the team strengths part of the DD software.
QB: Bulger, Brooks
RB: LT2, CuMart, C.Brown, Blaylock, F.Gore
WR: J.Walker, L.Fitz, I.Bruce, D.Stallworth, K.Curtis, J.Galloway, B.Jones
TE: LJ SMith
PK: Nugent
Def/ST: Cincinnati and Detroit
Hope this helps some of you. Fire away with questions and I will try and answer them.
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footballman_696969
Footballguy
Nice draft, MOP. You should do very well this season in that league. I really think the 1st pick is the best one to have this year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Nice draft, MOP. You should do very well this season in that league. I really think the 1st pick is the best one to have this year.
Thanks. I think the 1.12/2.01 is a great place because you get 2 top10 RB potentially and 2 top10 WR usually if things go just right in the 3/4 turn.
Thanks. I think the 1.12/2.01 is a great place because you get 2 top10 RB potentially and 2 top10 WR usually if things go just right in the 3/4 turn.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Bumping for the Monday Morn crew
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Not that anyone cares, but in the Staff/MB Survivor League (that we are not supposed to talk about yet), I took Holmes at 1.02. I was fortunate enough to get Harrison and TO in my next picks and intended to take LJ at 4.11.However, Fred Taylor was still on the board, and in a Survivor format I would rather have a guy pegged to play every day than a guy whose value is mostly derived from injuries to a starter RB. So in a Survivor format, I took Taylor at 4.11.I would have taken LJ at 5.02--except Cowboy took him with one of his picks. So I took Roy Williams instead to have Holmes/Taylor/Harrison/Owens/RWilliams through 5 rounds.
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
I draft from the 1 spot of a 12 teamer this weekend. LT will be my #1. Looking at the 2/3 turn it appears there were some good RBs still on the board which you addressed. I am wondering why you elected to reach for Walker rather than take Culpepper or even Gonzalez who should have been a better value at that 3rd round pick. I am not saying it was a bad pick but just trying to get some deeper insight into your thought process.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I have Walker in the same tier as the top5, that's 1 of the reasons I took him here. I see no reason he cannot repeat his numbers of a year ago with Favre throwing him the ball.Gonzo was a possibility but I didn't want to burn the #25 pick on him. Walker ensured I have at least my #1WR locked up on Sunday. LT/Walker is a good starting combo. And Culpepper is someone I am not as high on this season. Moss being gone will imapct once the regular season starts. I feel like he will be top10 but not top2 again.
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Angry Beavers
Footballguy
MOP:your top 5 wr's probably did not fall because you only have to start 1rb in your league requirements (if i read them correctly) along with a flex - i have nothing to back this up, just my own hunch, but i think that the leauge requirement of one rb allowed more rb to fall and had people thinking wr earlier rather than worrying about locking up both rb positions. Maybe this oughta be a lesson for folks drafting from 1.01 with similar league rules.glta
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Would have been fine with me as long as Bozo at 2.10 had not drafted Lamont Jordan....I would have felt like I still came out ahead. I am sure the violins will be playing for the LT/CuMart combo...it is a good 1 in this league but other guys have combos like Deuce/Portis(#5 pick got this combo), WR went early 2nd round.
MOP - I'm surprised you chickened out and didnt go with Priest.... you cant really go wrong with the #1 pick... I had the 1.01 pick recently and gambled with PriestIt was only a 10 team league so I also got Holt and Chad Johnson at 2.12 and 3.01 so i think it was a pretty successful draft for me...I also got LJ at 7.01... i think more often than not, LJ can be had in the 6th or 7th... most teams arent looking to hurt their own teams to hurt another owner and taking their handcuff... i gambled and won.... i just think the probability of LJ going so high is just a little too muchWith 1.01, even though I took Priest, I think the better pick might have been LT, just because it opens up more options for you during the draft. You DONT have to worry about drafting LJ and you can let the draft come to you more... and you dont have to worry about another owner taking LJ, etc etc... just my 2 cents...
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
There were 3 guys wearing LT jerseys, those #21 jerseys were staring at me at my draft...LT was busting off a 55 yard run on the TV when I went to do my #1 pick...felt like Devine Intervention, I'm sure Joe Bryant would think so too.
Devil's Disciples
Footballguy
Ok, yet another novel scoring/roster situation for comment.
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 flex (RB or WR) , 1 TE, no point per reception.
1st 2 round avg picks in 2003 & 2004: RB=16, WR=3-4 QB=4-5 TE=0
I'm thinking I have to go LT, RB, RB since I can start up tp four RB if I want. I may be able to grab CJ at the turn but a top 20 RB as one flex seems huge in this format. I'm assuming that the other teams in my league will settle and play 2 RB & 4 WR. How would you plan to play the two flex?
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 flex (RB or WR) , 1 TE, no point per reception.
1st 2 round avg picks in 2003 & 2004: RB=16, WR=3-4 QB=4-5 TE=0
I'm thinking I have to go LT, RB, RB since I can start up tp four RB if I want. I may be able to grab CJ at the turn but a top 20 RB as one flex seems huge in this format. I'm assuming that the other teams in my league will settle and play 2 RB & 4 WR. How would you plan to play the two flex?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
RB-RB-RB-RB-RBYou should get LT/SA 1st since you can't afford to burn a pick on LJ to ride your bench. I am sure 1 could argue there will be weeks you could put him in as an RB4...not me
You should find CuMart/S.Jackson on the turn most likely...if not than find 2 others from Dodds top20 but I would avoid Tatum bell right now.
4th round I would start looking at Bennett or any other RB avaialble...might not be too early to grab Fred Taylo...than grab a WR like Donald Driver or Steve Smith if he fell to you.
6th/7th I would grab 2 WR...Isaac Bruce has been available in most of my leagues. Rod Smith is not a bad idea here either...Eddie Kennison and the like.
I would empty the RB 1st than load up on WR as you can use them for your 2 flex spots. QB will have to wait till rounds 8/9 or even later. You need Players at the RB/WR spots.
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Devil's Disciples
Footballguy
Ran a few mocks and it looks like:LT
Steven Jackson
Lamont Jordan
At the 4/5 turn?: (pick two)
Barlow
F. Taylor
Bennett
Driver
Witten
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
TE doesn't mean much...the extra 6 points a week Gonzo would get you is gobbled up by the other positions IMO. I would take Barlow and Taylor possibly...Driver is not a bad option there either. If Jordan and Jackson fall to you, you better kiss your lucky stars.
M
MelvinTScupper
Guest
Only one I question is overlooking Culpepper at 3.01. I would take his potential upside over Walker's possibility of being pedestrian WR.
tandl71
Footballguy
Is my math off, or does 5 or 6 points extra a week at TE equal 90-96 points over the course of 16 games?Seems to me the projected spread between Gonzalez in the 3rd and other TEs in the 5-7th rounds is much greater than the projected spreads between WRs (outside the "Top 5") going in the 3rd and those going 5th-7th. And I hope I didn't quote you out of context...Who else is against drafting Gonzalez at the 2.12/3.01 turn over a WR outside the Top 5?
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I understand how you feel, but how many WR are going to be on the 4/5 turn qith 1200+yd and 10+TD potential? Not many. I felt kind of pushed to do this.
Leo2228
Footballguy
Had the 1st pick in a 12 man league (redraft) and this is what my team is looking like. What do you guys think 1.01 – LT 2.12–Marvin Harrison 3.12–Warrick Dunn (Rb went fast this was the best left) 4.01– Tont Gonzalez (couldn’t just leave him there) 5.05- Marc Bugler (other top 4qb gone) 6.08- Buffalo (to early but Balt gone) 7.01-Travs Henry 8.12–Ashley Leslie 9.12-Moe Williams 10.01-Larry Fitzgerald 11.08–Eric Johnson 12.05– Steve Mcnair 13.01-A Tommer 14.12–Eric Shelton 15.12–John Kasay- (what do you guys think) 16.01– Neil Rackers (???????) We start 1qb 2rb 2wr 1TE, 1pk 1defPicking a def in the 5th was to early but , I frick out i guess when all the rb were gone and 4 top qb were gone and 2 def were gone . now that i think about it it was a dum move. I saw Labrandon Toefield on ww i my try to pick him up
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Unless your league treats defenses like royalty, Buffalo in the 6th is too early by a large margin. I'm also not so sure about Moe in the 9th. He's gone late or undrafted in some of my drafts. Shelton, on the other hand, has gone in the 8th . . .
Perry Van Hook
Footballguy
MOP - nice draft but I have one question - about your pick at 4.12Why did you pick Fitzgerald over Boldin with both available to you?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Great question. I feel Fitz has more upside in the TD department.
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MelvinTScupper
Guest
Well, you'd have had 1 of them. I just think there are MANY WRs who are in the 800-900 7TD range, and you would have also had what I consider to be a top 3 QB, regardless of Moss departure. There are only 4 Tier 1 QBs this year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I hope Bulger is in that group because I got him at the 5.01 pick and I thought he was perhaps the last of the potential QB that could sneak into 2 or 3 for the year.
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MelvinTScupper
Guest
Yep, he's #4. He's a decent dropoff from Culpepper, unless he can finally string together some TD's. I like the chances enough that I have him on a couple of my squads...specifically the squads where I had #1 overall.
TheLaw
Footballguy
12-team Redraft. 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1flex, 1TE, 1K, 1D/ST1.01 - LT22.12 - Westbrook3.01 - Marvin4.12 - Boldin5.01 - Steve Smith6.12 - Mike Anderson7.01 - Delhomme8.12 - Lee Suggs9.01 - Santana Moss10.12 - Janakowski11.01 - BEARS12.12 - Air McNair13.01 - McCardell14.12 - Pittman15.01 - Samie Parker16.12 - Bubba17.01 - Jason Hanson18.12 - Roddy White
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Westbrook was not available in my league or harrison on the turn...you did very well there. I am not high on Boldin but I might have grabbed Steve Smith had he been available at the 5.01 in my league...good job there. Anderson seems a little high as does Delhomme...both went later in my draft. Suggs(ankle injury cropped up now).QB: Delhomme/McNair...nothing wrong with this
RB: LT, Westbrook, Anderson, Suggs, Pittman...solid. LT makes them any backfield great.
WR: Harrison, SMith, Boldin, S.Moss, K.McCardell, Samie Parker, R.White...terrific! Your very strong here with tremendous depth.
TE: Bubba...weak right now but you can't be great everywhere.
Good solid draft!
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
had my draft this past Sunday, 10-team, 2-keeper (Keepers for 1 year, 4th Round or later from previous year), 1 QB, 1 RB, 3 REC (can be TEs or WRs), 1 K, 1 DEF.I did pull off a pre-draft trade, as I didn't think I'd get much value at the 2.10-3.01 turn, part in part because some guys really got good value from their keepers (i.e., Kev Jones, McGahee and CuMart were all 5th Round Keepers this year). So given that, I felt I had to bump up in Round 2 to get another stud RB or top-Receiver...so here's how it went:1.01 Tomlinson, Ladainian 2.03 Green, Ahman (position trade)3.08 Wayne, Reggie (position trade)4.10 Fitzgerald, Larry 5.08 Dunn, Warrick (position trade)6.03 Smith, Rod (position trade)7.01 Brady, Tom 8.10 Lelie, Ashley (Keeper) 9.08 Barlow, Kevan (position trade)10.10 Elam, Jason 11.08 Stallworth, Donte' (position trade)12.10 Warner, Kurt (plays Tennesse on Brady's bye week)13.01 Bills, Buffalo Defense(Keeper) 14.10 Taylor, Travis 15.01 Droughns, Reuben 16.10 Bryant, Antonio 17.01 Brown, Josh SEA In hindsight I may be a little weaker at REC than I really want to be, but I have good depth at RB and Brady, even though he's not a real fantasy stats stud, isn't going to hurt me week to week.
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jafo
Out of Mind
I had Pick #1 in our 12 team draft this weekend. We start 1QB, 2RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/RB Flex, DEF & Kicker. We award 1 PPR & 6 points per passing TDs.1.01 - L. Tomlinson2.12 - K. Jones3.01 - J. Jones4.12 - D. Jackson5.01 - Mi. Clayton6.12 - M. Vick7.01 - T. Heap8.12 - A. Lelie9.01 - L. Johnson10.12 - D. Stallworth11.01 - S. McNair12.12 - Atlanta13.01 - M. Anderson14.12 - K. Colbert15.01 - B. Troupe16.12 - J. KasayManning, Culpepper, & McNabb all went in the first rounds. By the time the first turn came back to me TO, CJ, Moss, Holt, & Harrison were all off the board. I'm a little concerned about the Vick pick and my RB depth, but that could all work out in my favor.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I shy away from ever using those emoticons. I guess it's possible but those players went almsot 1-2 rounds below their ADP...I'd really like to see all picks in your league for the first 6 rounds.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Solid. You don't have any WR problems.
jafo
Out of Mind
Here are the first 6 rounds. FWIW, this is the first year for 2 of the teams. I'm sure you can guess who they are. 1.01 - L. Tomlinson
1.02 - S. Alexander
1.03 - P. Manning
1.04 - P. Holmes
1.05 - T. Owens
1.06 - E. James
1.07 - B. Westbrook
1.08 - D. Culpepper
1.09 - D. McNabb
1.10 - D. Davis
1.11 - D. McAllister
1.12 - W. McGahee
2.01 - J. Lewis
2.02 - T. Holt
2.03 - T. Barber
2.04 - A. Green
2.05 - C. Dillon
2.06 - R. Johnson
2.07 - C. Portis
2.08 - M. Harrison
2.09 - R. Moss
2.10 - C. Martin
2.11 - C. Johnson
2.12 - K. Jones
3.01 - J. Jones
3.02 - L. Jordan
3.03 - S. Jackson
3.04 - R. Wayne
3.05 - T. Bell
3.06 - J. Horn
3.07 - W. Dunn
3.08 - J. Bettis
3.09 - T. Gonzalez
3.10 - A. Gates
3.11 - K. Barlow
3.12 - J. Walker
4.01 - T. Green
4.02 - M. Bulger
4.03 - D. Foster
4.04 - H. Ward
4.05 - Baltimore
4.06 - F. Taylor
4.07 - N. Burleson
4.08 - J. Shockey
4.09 - D. Brees
4.10 - C. Williams
4.11 - A. Johnson
4.12 - D. Jackson
5.01 - Mi. Clayton
5.02 - C. Brown
5.03 - L. Fitzgerald
5.04 - J. Witten
5.05 - B. Favre
5.06 - K. Collins
5.07 - I. Bruce
5.08 - D. Bennett
5.09 - C. Chambers
5.10 - L. Coles
5.11 - T. Jones
5.12 - D. Driver
6.01 - D. Staley
6.02 - Ro. Williams
6.03 - T. Brady
6.04 - M. Pittman
6.05 - B. Edwards
6.06 - D. Mason
6.07 - S. Smith
6.08 - A. Boldin
6.09 - Ji. Smith
6.10 - M. Bennett
6.11 - A. Brooks
6.12 - M. Vick
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Footballguy
Much easier to digest Jafo. Looks like people don't know as much about the Jones boys as you and I and these boards do. Great value there. You got 2 great WR in MC and DJax, you can always trade 1 of the Jones boys for a RB3 and a topflight WR if you needed it.Tremendous draft my friend.
I also just finished a 12 team redraft, start 1 qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 1 te, 1 k, 1 def. I drafted first. Here is the result:1.01 - LT2.12 - Holt3.01 - C. Johnson4.12 - K. Collins5.01 - JJ Arrington6.12 - W. Dunn7.01 - M. Bennett8.12 - Pittsburgh9.01 - Vanderjagt10.12 - M. Muhammed11.01 - Brees12.12 - B. Franks13.01 - D. Givens14.12 - C. Cooley15.01 - M. Turner16.12 - A. Randel-ElAll of Dodd's "top 20" RBs were gone by 2.11. Owens went at 3.02. Manning, C-pep and McNabb were taken in Rds. 1-2; so were Moss and Harrison. All else were rb (except I took Holt).
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Beautiful! No WR matchup reports to read this season. Dunn and Arington will toggle the other RB spot. Bennett may still prove some worth. Good draft.
NYG Endzone
Footballguy
10 of 12 spot in a redraft this past weekend. (1/2/3/1/1/1) FBG scoring (except 1/50 qbs)QB K. Boller BAL 3QB B. Griese TB 7(at 1/50 for passing yards I could easily do fine with these qb's)RB T. Bell DEN 9RB T. Duckett ATL 8RB D. Foster CAR 7RB S. Jackson STL 9RB D. McAllister NO 10WR T. Holt STL 9WR D. Jackson SEA 8WR A. Lelie DEN 9WR B. Lloyd SF 6WR S. Moss WAS 3TE C. Cooley WAS 3PK J. Elam DEN 9Def Bengals CIN 10
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I like the RB/WR, not sure how the QB will work out for you. I have chilled on Griese a bit, mainly because I have been able to take Superior QB in the draft at value slots.
NYG Endzone
Footballguy
Yeah I missed the QB run since i had a late pick and people starting taking backups earlier than I expected. In this scoring system I have Griese or Boller getting my on average 11pts per week and the #8 QB (favre) getting 13ppg. QBs were highly overvalued in this draft and scoring system.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Interestingly enough, M. Vick went in Round 9 in our league. I was a little shocked. I had the chance to take him in Round 7, but opted for Brady instead (more weapons). Guess we'll see what happens...Just couldn't get over how low Vick fell....
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
MOP, I recently drafted from the 1.02 in a 12 teamer. We start QB RB WR 3 FLEX TE K D
Manning went at 1.01 and I immediately jumped on LT at 1.02, I got Tiki at 2.11 and CJohnson at 3.02. The rest of my draft went like this:
4.11 Michael Bennett
5.02 Jason Whitten
6.11 A. Boldin
7.02 Larry Johnson
8.11 Aaron Brooks
9.02 Travis Henry
10.11 Eric Moulds
Etc.
I was planning to go 2RB and 2WR and conditionally start Bennett as the matchup favored him.
After the draft I was offered in trade...Priest (1.03) for LT.
I countered Priest(1.03) and Javon Walker(3.03) for LT(1.02) and Boldin(6.11)
I think I made good on this deal as the Priest owner didn't want the frustration of not having the handcuff for LJ.
I essentially dropped one slot in the 1st round to swap 1 6th for a 3rd rounder.
Make sense?
I am beginning to think that in the balance of my redrafts, where I draft @ 1.04-1.08 that I will try to target LJ in 6th and see if I can make a trade happen to get Priest for my 1st.
Does this make sense?
Manning went at 1.01 and I immediately jumped on LT at 1.02, I got Tiki at 2.11 and CJohnson at 3.02. The rest of my draft went like this:
4.11 Michael Bennett
5.02 Jason Whitten
6.11 A. Boldin
7.02 Larry Johnson
8.11 Aaron Brooks
9.02 Travis Henry
10.11 Eric Moulds
Etc.
I was planning to go 2RB and 2WR and conditionally start Bennett as the matchup favored him.
After the draft I was offered in trade...Priest (1.03) for LT.
I countered Priest(1.03) and Javon Walker(3.03) for LT(1.02) and Boldin(6.11)
I think I made good on this deal as the Priest owner didn't want the frustration of not having the handcuff for LJ.
I essentially dropped one slot in the 1st round to swap 1 6th for a 3rd rounder.
Make sense?
I am beginning to think that in the balance of my redrafts, where I draft @ 1.04-1.08 that I will try to target LJ in 6th and see if I can make a trade happen to get Priest for my 1st.
Does this make sense?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's an interesting way to acquire Priest Holmes...I never thought about it.MOP, I recently drafted from the 1.02 in a 12 teamer. We start QB RB WR 3 FLEX TE K D
Manning went at 1.01 and I immediately jumped on LT at 1.02, I got Tiki at 2.11 and CJohnson at 3.02. The rest of my draft went like this:
4.11 Michael Bennett
5.02 Jason Whitten
6.11 A. Boldin
7.02 Larry Johnson
8.11 Aaron Brooks
9.02 Travis Henry
10.11 Eric Moulds
Etc.
I was planning to go 2RB and 2WR and conditionally start Bennett as the matchup favored him.
After the draft I was offered in trade...Priest (1.03) for LT.
I countered Priest(1.03) and Javon Walker(3.03) for LT(1.02) and Boldin(6.11)
I think I made good on this deal as the Priest owner didn't want the frustration of not having the handcuff for LJ.
I essentially dropped one slot in the 1st round to swap 1 6th for a 3rd rounder.
Make sense?
I am beginning to think that in the balance of my redrafts, where I draft @ 1.04-1.08 that I will try to target LJ in 6th and see if I can make a trade happen to get Priest for my 1st.
Does this make sense?
M
MelvinTScupper
Guest
It's probalby because he sucks, fantasy wise. I'll sum it up this way:You never know which week he's gonna throw for 180-2 and run for another 120-1, and so you play him every week, and most weeks he goes for 118-0-1 and 80-0.
I'd rather not have the headache.
