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Lions and their Weed (2 Viewers)

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ESPN 96.1 in Michigan reports that Lions RB Mikel Leshoure is being arraigned Monday in a Berrien County Court on marijuana possession charges.

 
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Lions RB Mikel Leshoure's two recent arrests for marijuana possession occurred on February 18 and March 12.

Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press confirms Leshoure is being arraigned for the second charge in a Berrien County Court on Monday. In February, Leshoure was cited for possession, pleaded to a lesser charge of "using" marijuana, and paid a fine. On March 12, Leshoure was pulled over by police and allegedly "tried to eat the weed" to avoid an additional charge. Leshoure can almost certainly expect a league-imposed suspension at some point in 2012.

 
'Boone22 said:
Lions RB Mikel Leshoure's two recent arrests for marijuana possession occurred on February 18 and March 12.Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press confirms Leshoure is being arraigned for the second charge in a Berrien County Court on Monday. In February, Leshoure was cited for possession, pleaded to a lesser charge of "using" marijuana, and paid a fine. On March 12, Leshoure was pulled over by police and allegedly "tried to eat the weed" to avoid an additional charge. Leshoure can almost certainly expect a league-imposed suspension at some point in 2012.
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That problem sounds, a little, well, uh, I hate to say it, but chronic. Three weeks apart? An unproven guy who doesn't have the fire in him to set the pipe down and get back into the gym after the first arrest? He's either incredibly stupid, incredibly addicted, or incredibly over confident that it wouldn't happen a second time, or all three. Unless this is one of those life wake ups, gonna put this guy up as a great talent, but that 5 cent head kept him from having the drive and determination and thus he'll make more headlines off the field than on...
 
A major hit to his dynasty value (as if the achilles wasn't already). Not just because of a short-term suspension, but because back-to-back arrests says he has character / common sense issues that are likely to continue forward. This won't be lost on DET, who will I'm sure think twice about relying heavily on such an iffy sort of character going forward. This doesn't mean he can't grow up and rehab his image at some point, but for at least the next two years he's a very dangerous player to have any trust in or give any real value for in leagues.

 
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'TheFanatic said:
'Boone22 said:
Lions RB Mikel Leshoure's two recent arrests for marijuana possession occurred on February 18 and March 12.Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press confirms Leshoure is being arraigned for the second charge in a Berrien County Court on Monday. In February, Leshoure was cited for possession, pleaded to a lesser charge of "using" marijuana, and paid a fine. On March 12, Leshoure was pulled over by police and allegedly "tried to eat the weed" to avoid an additional charge. Leshoure can almost certainly expect a league-imposed suspension at some point in 2012.
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That problem sounds, a little, well, uh, I hate to say it, but chronic. Three weeks apart? An unproven guy who doesn't have the fire in him to set the pipe down and get back into the gym after the first arrest? He's either incredibly stupid, incredibly addicted, or incredibly over confident that it wouldn't happen a second time, or all three. Unless this is one of those life wake ups, gonna put this guy up as a great talent, but that 5 cent head kept him from having the drive and determination and thus he'll make more headlines off the field than on...
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Just because he is smoking pot doesn't mean he hasn'T Been in the gym. Schwartz says he has been impressed with his work ethic. The guy attended almost all teAm functions last year which is rare for someone on IR
 
'Boone22 said:
Lions RB Mikel Leshoure's two recent arrests for marijuana possession occurred on February 18 and March 12.

Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press confirms Leshoure is being arraigned for the second charge in a Berrien County Court on Monday. In February, Leshoure was cited for possession, pleaded to a lesser charge of "using" marijuana, and paid a fine. On March 12, Leshoure was pulled over by police and allegedly "tried to eat the weed" to avoid an additional charge. Leshoure can almost certainly expect a league-imposed suspension at some point in 2012.
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lol....tried to eat the weed....favorite part of this story.
 
What are the odds they draft an RB in say the 3rd or 4th round now? Pretty good RB class; there will be talent available.

 
'loose circuits said:
'TheFanatic said:
'Boone22 said:
Lions RB Mikel Leshoure's two recent arrests for marijuana possession occurred on February 18 and March 12.Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press confirms Leshoure is being arraigned for the second charge in a Berrien County Court on Monday. In February, Leshoure was cited for possession, pleaded to a lesser charge of "using" marijuana, and paid a fine. On March 12, Leshoure was pulled over by police and allegedly "tried to eat the weed" to avoid an additional charge. Leshoure can almost certainly expect a league-imposed suspension at some point in 2012.
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That problem sounds, a little, well, uh, I hate to say it, but chronic. Three weeks apart? An unproven guy who doesn't have the fire in him to set the pipe down and get back into the gym after the first arrest? He's either incredibly stupid, incredibly addicted, or incredibly over confident that it wouldn't happen a second time, or all three. Unless this is one of those life wake ups, gonna put this guy up as a great talent, but that 5 cent head kept him from having the drive and determination and thus he'll make more headlines off the field than on...
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Just because he is smoking pot doesn't mean he hasn'T Been in the gym. Schwartz says he has been impressed with his work ethic. The guy attended almost all teAm functions last year which is rare for someone on IR
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He needs to spend more time in the gym then. I bet Schwartz is rethinking his impression of the guy's work ethic....
 
'finito said:
What are the odds they draft an RB in say the 3rd or 4th round now? Pretty good RB class; there will be talent available.
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Unfortunately, for the 3rd straight year, the Lions will have to spend a relatively high draft pick (3rd or 4th) on a RB when they should be addressing other areas.Maybe they should just grab Hightower, depending on his recovery, and use the picks elsewhere.
 
'matttyl said:
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
'finito said:
What are the odds they draft an RB in say the 3rd or 4th round now? Pretty good RB class; there will be talent available.
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They will
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The odds were pretty good before this news....now their hand has been forced to draft a RB, and likely a round or so earlier than they were thinking beforehand.
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In the last 2 years they've blown a 1st on Jahvid and a 2nd on Mikel, if anything they'll probably shy away from overpaying at the position again.
 
'TheFanatic said:
'loose circuits said:
'TheFanatic said:
'Boone22 said:
Lions RB Mikel Leshoure's two recent arrests for marijuana possession occurred on February 18 and March 12.Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press confirms Leshoure is being arraigned for the second charge in a Berrien County Court on Monday. In February, Leshoure was cited for possession, pleaded to a lesser charge of "using" marijuana, and paid a fine. On March 12, Leshoure was pulled over by police and allegedly "tried to eat the weed" to avoid an additional charge. Leshoure can almost certainly expect a league-imposed suspension at some point in 2012.
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That problem sounds, a little, well, uh, I hate to say it, but chronic. Three weeks apart? An unproven guy who doesn't have the fire in him to set the pipe down and get back into the gym after the first arrest? He's either incredibly stupid, incredibly addicted, or incredibly over confident that it wouldn't happen a second time, or all three. Unless this is one of those life wake ups, gonna put this guy up as a great talent, but that 5 cent head kept him from having the drive and determination and thus he'll make more headlines off the field than on...
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Just because he is smoking pot doesn't mean he hasn'T Been in the gym. Schwartz says he has been impressed with his work ethic. The guy attended almost all teAm functions last year which is rare for someone on IR
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He needs to spend more time in the gym then. I bet Schwartz is rethinking his impression of the guy's work ethic....
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again, how do you know how much time he spends in the gym? I was an athlete in college and am a high school coach. I've seen teammates that smoke pot and some of my athletes where I have had my suspicions, but it doesn't have any bearing on their work ethic. I've also owned a business and had a variety of employees that may have smoked pot on occasion, but it didn't have anything to do with their work ethic. Am I saying that it is ok, no I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that you can't immediately assume that because he happened to be smoking pot in the off season that he isn't working like he is supposed to when by all accounts he has shown up for everything even when he wasn't required too.. i'm sure Schwartz will evaluate Mikel's work ethic based off a lot more than just a few pot busts since he's already had almost a year of experience with him. A lot of NFL players smoke pot. Mikel's an idiot for getting caught twice with it, but I'm sure the 2nd time he figured he smoked 1,000 times before and only been caught once so why would he get caught again. People make mistakes and hopefully he will learn from this.Show me some other evidence of a teammate or coach questioning how much he works and you may be onto something, but trying to connect dots that aren't connectable doesn't make sense to me. It's like saying after someone drops a pass that they have a fumbling issue- one doesn't have any direct relationship to the other...Could you question his decision making, sure, but I don't think it has much to do with his work ethic.
 
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Loose circuits - for the most part I agree with you, but even in your examples you're saying "had my suspicions" and "may have smoked pot"....not quite the same as a guy who's been arrested TWICE IN THREE WEEKS over it. There is a bit of a difference there, you have to admit. Also, the teammates you speak about...I assume you were talking about collegiate teammates, not a professional NFL player who's paycheck depends on his ability to get onto the field, which he won't have with this type of continuing behavior. That's the part that concerns me the most. It's one thing if he got busted once this offseason and that's it, but twice in three weeks for the same thing doesn't paint the best picture of his comprehension skills of what this NFL opportunity really is for him.

 
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'matttyl said:
Loose circuits - for the most part I agree with you, but even in your examples you're saying "had my suspicions" and "may have smoked pot"....not quite the same as a guy who's been arrested TWICE IN THREE WEEKS over it. There is a bit of a difference there, you have to admit. Also, the teammates you speak about...I assume you were talking about collegiate teammates, not a professional NFL player who's paycheck depends on his ability to get onto the field, which he won't have with this type of continuing behavior. That's the part that concerns me the most. It's one thing if he got busted once this offseason and that's it, but twice in three weeks for the same thing doesn't paint the best picture of his comprehension skills of what this NFL opportunity really is for him.
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I don't think we are far apart. For the record, I am not defending his decision making. He was obviously in error and has a serious problem if his livelihood depends on him having clean urine and he knows the potential consequences. I just don't think you can start attacking other parts of his character based off one weakness when everything I've read says something else. I think it was this weekend where I heard Schwartz talk about how hard Mikel worked in the weight room/rehab and how impressed he was that he stayed in the building all year last year. At that point, I'm sure Schwartz was privy to this information
 
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Was LeShoure a character concern or did he have any negative baggage when he came into the league? Just wondering if this is something new or some same ole same ole.

 
Lions' Mikel Leshoure facing felony marijuana charge

Leshoure was charged with possession of marijuana/second offense, a felony punishable by up to two years in prison, and was scheduled for a walk-in arraignment today.

He did not show up for the hearing, but Ruhl said he received a call from Lions director of security Elton Moore this afternoon, stating that Leshoure believed the arraignment was adjourned till Wednesday.

No bench warrant has been issued for Leshoure’s arrest, Ruhl and a spokesperson for the county clerk’s office said, but one could be issued if Leshoure does not appear.
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Best part:
The officer making the traffic stop observed Leshoure “chewing marijuana” and saw “small pieces of marijuana down the front of his shirt,” according to the report. Leshoure complied when he was ordered to spit out the marijuana, the report said.

According to the report, Leshoure admitted to smoking marijuana before he was pulled over but said most of the substance in his mouth was potpourri that was mixed with marijuana
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Kevin Smith owner here . . .

I am still not too excited - if I was the Lions GM, then i would HAVE TO spend a pick (mid maybe) on a back OR get some lame retread FA (Cedric Benson for example) to bolster the backfield. Can't depend on Smith (fragile) or Best (concussions).

 
'TheFanatic said:
'Boone22 said:
Lions RB Mikel Leshoure's two recent arrests for marijuana possession occurred on February 18 and March 12.Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press confirms Leshoure is being arraigned for the second charge in a Berrien County Court on Monday. In February, Leshoure was cited for possession, pleaded to a lesser charge of "using" marijuana, and paid a fine. On March 12, Leshoure was pulled over by police and allegedly "tried to eat the weed" to avoid an additional charge. Leshoure can almost certainly expect a league-imposed suspension at some point in 2012.
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That problem sounds, a little, well, uh, I hate to say it, but chronic. Three weeks apart? An unproven guy who doesn't have the fire in him to set the pipe down and get back into the gym after the first arrest? He's either incredibly stupid, incredibly addicted, or incredibly over confident that it wouldn't happen a second time, or all three. Unless this is one of those life wake ups, gonna put this guy up as a great talent, but that 5 cent head kept him from having the drive and determination and thus he'll make more headlines off the field than on...
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You dont wanna mess with no reefer addicts
 
'duaneok66 said:
Kevin Smith owner here . . .I am still not too excited - if I was the Lions GM, then i would HAVE TO spend a pick (mid maybe) on a back OR get some lame retread FA (Cedric Benson for example) to bolster the backfield. Can't depend on Smith (fragile) or Best (concussions).
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I think getting Benson would be a wise move. He's durable and dependable. With how good the DET passing game is, I think Benson would put up nice numbers in DET. If can put up 1100/6-7 with Cincy, I think 1250/8 is perfectly reasonable.
 
'loose circuits said:
anybody seen him traded after these news, wondering if I could buy low?
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Yeah, I saw two trades today (so I am guessing both parties know the news)Dynasty leagues: One was Reggie Wayne for LeShoureThe other was LeShoure (to the Jahvid owner) for Santana Moss.So, two older WRs in uncertain situations for a young, maybe troubled RB in a dynasty. Looked pretty fair in both trades to me.
 
Watching their games I'd say that offense needs someone capable of helping out n the passing game. From best to Morris to smith they use screens and dumpdowns alot. Benson seems deficient in that area

 
I was thinking of making a play for Leshoure now that his value has taken a big hit and a lot of uncertainty surrounds his future, but I'm just not sure it's worth it.

I think in a lot of instances owners are going to not want to move him for what he's worth right now, because of the price they paid a year ago. Maybe I'm just undervaluing him severely.

 
'griff321 said:
I was thinking of making a play for Leshoure now that his value has taken a big hit and a lot of uncertainty surrounds his future, but I'm just not sure it's worth it. I think in a lot of instances owners are going to not want to move him for what he's worth right now, because of the price they paid a year ago. Maybe I'm just undervaluing him severely.
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gotta try. If Santana Moss can get him then there is hope. Santana could be looking for a new team sooner than later and he's getting old
 
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