Lions hire Jim Schwartz as HC! (1 Viewer)

[Ozymandias]

With the Titans, Schwartz once encouraged the former offensive coordinator Norm Chow to run more on third-and-short because his research indicated that it was more effective than passing.Unorthodox thinking like that has earned Schwartz, 42, a reputation as one of the N.F.L.’s leading practitioners of statistical analysis —

How is that unorthodox thinking?

A lot of teams will go shotgun on third and three, or even third and two.From 2002-2008, NFL teams as a whole passed 75% of the time on 3rd and 3. They ran just 25% of the time.Passing on 3rd and 3 generated a first down 53% of the time. Running on 3rd and 3 generated a first down 57% of the time.So even though running was successful more often than passing, teams passed the huge majority of the time.(Hat tip: Data Dominator.)

Lies, damned lies and statistics. But you have to be careful how you read them. Assume 4 options:A. You have a good running attack, they have a good defense against running.B. You have a good running attack, they have a bad defense against running.C. You have a bad running attack, they have a good defense against running.D. You have a bad running attack, they have a bad defense against running.If I am a coach, I run on B, but pass on A,C and D. In alternative B, then the stats would show that running is successful fairly often. But it doesn't show how unsuccessful it might have been in A, C and D. (and they pass 75% of the time).Careful how you read the stats.

 

[T Bell]

I heard all the glowing reviews when Marinelli was hired. It's the Lions- so I'll wait awhile before I declare this a good move or not.

Hindsight is what?

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[Sinrman]

I'm fairly happy with this choice.. best of what was available imo. I truly hope he goes OT with the #1 and defense with the other 1st rounder...

 

[fatness]

With the Titans, Schwartz once encouraged the former offensive coordinator Norm Chow to run more on third-and-short because his research indicated that it was more effective than passing.Unorthodox thinking like that has earned Schwartz, 42, a reputation as one of the N.F.L.’s leading practitioners of statistical analysis —

How is that unorthodox thinking?

A lot of teams will go shotgun on third and three, or even third and two.From 2002-2008, NFL teams as a whole passed 75% of the time on 3rd and 3. They ran just 25% of the time.Passing on 3rd and 3 generated a first down 53% of the time. Running on 3rd and 3 generated a first down 57% of the time.So even though running was successful more often than passing, teams passed the huge majority of the time.(Hat tip: Data Dominator.)

Thanks. To me third and short is third and inches, or third and one, and those seem like no-brainer running situations.

 

[lord_helmet]

May the Schwartz be with you, Lions fans.

Beat me to it!!

And me too.Is Ford Lord Helmet?

Life is too short for Ford.

 

[Holland Freeze]

I'm fairly happy with this choice.. best of what was available imo. I truly hope he goes OT with the #1 and defense with the other 1st rounder...

My thoughts exactly but I would be happy if they went OT and then took the best available player with their #20 pick. If Stafford were to drop that low I would not be upset with his selection since we allowed for the possiblity of him succeeding by filling a huge need.

 

[Sinrman]

May the Schwartz be with you, Lions fans.

Beat me to it!!

And me too.Is Ford Lord Helmet?

Life is too short for Ford.

Ford plays the role of President Scroob. Millen WAS playing Dark Helmet, the bumbling #2 guy. Still my all-time favorite movie...

 

[Knocks]

And the suckage continues.

Why? Out of all the guys available I really like Schwartz.They guy is supposed to be brilliant.

He's been among the top assistants named as a candidate for the head coaching job for two years now. This looks like a good hire.

The issue right now really becomes whether Mayhew is up to the GM job. That to me is a bigger question mark, though Schwartz obviously now needs to prove himself too.

All the info we are seeing mentions Schwartz' time with Cleveland as a scout under Belechik. Hoping thats a part of why he was hired. Also the talk of everyone buying into the same vision/plan. Lets hope JS has some say on draft day and player/personnel decisions.

 

[T Bell]

And the suckage continues.

Why? Out of all the guys available I really like Schwartz.They guy is supposed to be brilliant.

He's been among the top assistants named as a candidate for the head coaching job for two years now. This looks like a good hire.

The issue right now really becomes whether Mayhew is up to the GM job. That to me is a bigger question mark, though Schwartz obviously now needs to prove himself too.

All the info we are seeing mentions Schwartz' time with Cleveland as a scout under Belechik. Hoping thats a part of why he was hired. Also the talk of everyone buying into the same vision/plan. Lets hope JS has some say on draft day and player/personnel decisions.

I'm not bashing Mayhew. For all I know he may be a personnel wizard in the making. The point here is that he seems to have chosen a good candidate, but that's only the beginning of his duties as GM.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

It is impossible to know how good or bad Mayhew will do, but in his 2 major decisions so far, he hired Schwartz and traded Roy for a boatload. If nothing else, he is off to an impressive start. I think this upcoming draft will be a big part in defining him.

 

[Paper Lions]

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I liked the hire before and like it even more after hearing Schwartz talk about his philosophy. He wants a big, fast tough, physical football team that can win in December in cold weather. He wants to run the ball and stop the run, and build from the inside out. Build the team up in the trenches.

 

[gman74]

I liked the hire before and like it even more after hearing Schwartz talk about his philosophy. He wants a big, fast tough, physical football team that can win in December in cold weather. He wants to run the ball and stop the run, and build from the inside out. Build the team up in the trenches. :X

What are the chances he can bring Albert with him?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I liked the hire before and like it even more after hearing Schwartz talk about his philosophy. He wants a big, fast tough, physical football team that can win in December in cold weather. He wants to run the ball and stop the run, and build from the inside out. Build the team up in the trenches.

think he knows they play in a dome?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I liked the hire before and like it even more after hearing Schwartz talk about his philosophy. He wants a big, fast tough, physical football team that can win in December in cold weather. He wants to run the ball and stop the run, and build from the inside out. Build the team up in the trenches.

think he knows they play in a dome?

I think a team that can play outdoors in cold weather can also play indoors. I don't think it can be the other way around in most cases.

 

[gman74]

I liked the hire before and like it even more after hearing Schwartz talk about his philosophy. He wants a big, fast tough, physical football team that can win in December in cold weather. He wants to run the ball and stop the run, and build from the inside out. Build the team up in the trenches.

think he knows they play in a dome?

Since his presser was "in the dome" I think that is safe to assume.

 

[Knocks]

And the suckage continues.

Why? Out of all the guys available I really like Schwartz.They guy is supposed to be brilliant.

He's been among the top assistants named as a candidate for the head coaching job for two years now. This looks like a good hire.

The issue right now really becomes whether Mayhew is up to the GM job. That to me is a bigger question mark, though Schwartz obviously now needs to prove himself too.

All the info we are seeing mentions Schwartz' time with Cleveland as a scout under Belechik. Hoping thats a part of why he was hired. Also the talk of everyone buying into the same vision/plan. Lets hope JS has some say on draft day and player/personnel decisions.

I'm not bashing Mayhew. For all I know he may be a personnel wizard in the making. The point here is that he seems to have chosen a good candidate, but that's only the beginning of his duties as GM.

I agree. And sincerely I do hope Schwartz has some input.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Detroit has been residing in the bottom of a cone. any direction they are moving in, absent a piercing of the cone to unexplored depths, is necessarily a move up. As a Packer fan I feel the days of the automatic win on the schedule may be coming to an end. I feel much like I did when gthe Bears hired Lovie. Many Bears fans had reservations, but I beleived him when he said they would concentrate on the Packers and that by doing so they would find a get out of the swamp, find a road, and start heading to their desitnation. Building through the trenches and building to win in December are solid goals.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I liked the hire before and like it even more after hearing Schwartz talk about his philosophy. He wants a big, fast tough, physical football team that can win in December in cold weather. He wants to run the ball and stop the run, and build from the inside out. Build the team up in the trenches.

He said all the right things. Building the lines and a team that compete in the cold weather struck me. He has a scouting background. Lookout for the draft, the Lions could make an Atlanta style turnaround if they know what they're doing.I'm excited for Lions fans (and I'm a Packer fan) since I live in Michigan and most the people I know are lifelong pathetic followers of that horribly run franchise. The fans deserve better and taking a chance on coordinators making their way up in the business is Detroit's only shot. They were never going to get a Shanahan, Cowher, or Billick to move to Detroit....wasn't happening.

 

[Balance]

I liked the hire before and like it even more after hearing Schwartz talk about his philosophy. He wants a big, fast tough, physical football team that can win in December in cold weather. He wants to run the ball and stop the run, and build from the inside out. Build the team up in the trenches.

I've been waiting 21 years to hear these words.

 

[Tree Shaker]

May the Schwartz be with you, Lions fans.

 

[Rockchild]

I know he was the DC but any chance he brings in Collins as the starting QB? That would allow them to concentrate on both lines in the first round while taking a QB to groom later in the draft. Maybe Sanchez in round 2. Is he going to go that high?

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I wonder what Schwartz will do with Kitna ....

He is under contract for one more year and a relatively cheap salary of about $2 million.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

sounds like gunther cunningham is going to interview fort he DC position.

really If Im Schwartz, I just roll with Kitna or Culpepper this year and grab a QB next, Detroit will probably be top 5 next year and McCoy and Bradford will be out.

Sanchez/stafford dont do it for me. Maybe grab Nate Davis later.

Gotta load up the OL and All defensive positions

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I can honestly say I know nothing about this guy.Titans homers (or really anyone who just knows more than me), would you care to give a little info?

1/3 Belichick1/3 Fisher1/3 RainmanVERY computer/stat/situation oriented. Blitzes rarely, getting rush from front 4, and defending with the remaining 7. Need good front 4. Will be a Fisher type game manager. He is brilliant and will tell you so.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I am now officially a Lions fan.I played with Schwartzy in college. He was a senior (and team captain) when I was a freshman.What I remember about him: he was smart, he was a great motivator, and he was tough as hell (playing through pain as well as anyone I've known).

Tell us more. I know him in a extended acquaintance kind of way.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Here is the worst part -- he has to move from Franklin, TN to Detroit, MI.

His wife...uh...not thrilled. With the job, yes, but not living in Detroit.

 

[Foosball God]

Here is the worst part -- he has to move from Franklin, TN to Detroit, MI.His wife...uh...not thrilled. With the job, yes, but not living in Detroit.

He doesn't have to live in downtown Detroit. There are lots of great areas in the suburbs that rival the best places anywhere.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I have heard some Titans fans didn't love him, but I think this is a good hire. He also doesn't seem like a huge ego guy, and I'm sure he's learned a lot under Fisher.

If I was a coach, Detroit (outside of it being in Detroit) is a nice destination. You basically are taking over an expansion team, and can do whatever you want.

 

[T Bell]

Here is the worst part -- he has to move from Franklin, TN to Detroit, MI.His wife...uh...not thrilled. With the job, yes, but not living in Detroit.

He doesn't have to live in downtown Detroit. There are lots of great areas in the suburbs that rival the best places anywhere.

You mean like Winnepeg?

 

[Balance]

Here is the worst part -- he has to move from Franklin, TN to Detroit, MI.

His wife...uh...not thrilled. With the job, yes, but not living in Detroit.

He doesn't have to live in downtown Detroit. There are lots of great areas in the suburbs that rival the best places anywhere.

You mean like Winnepeg?

This is one of the nicer areas of Detroit.Nice tires.

 

[Bri]

Now draft linemen and bring Haynesworth with you.Thanks.

For a new coach, a product of BB and Fisher's tutilege(sp?) is about as great as the Lions can do in this era IMO. Fisher always wanted top "trenches" and made it much more evident than most coaches. Schwartz needs to hire a good top OL and DL coach, then I would actually predict the Lions are on their way. If you can go into a game knowing your team is going to win the OL or DL battle, there's hope-there's stars behind em' or fave players behind em' beneffiting from the line and....a whole lot trickles down from there.Not as if Calvin were going anywhere but to come from two teams(BB didn't for some time, Titans haven't) that don't ever spend big $ on WRs I think you have to figure drafting any more in the first isn't happenning for quite some time unless they're fortunate to draft BPA late in the first. The line and the WR change are in and of itself a great change for the Lions.As the GM(and hired assistant GM) trying to draft, sign, re-sign a Schwartz type team, Lions fans can feel comfy that that's over. If I were a Lion fan, that would just be perfect news for me.

 

[Bri]

I have heard some Titans fans didn't love him, but I think this is a good hire. He also doesn't seem like a huge ego guy, and I'm sure he's learned a lot under Fisher. If I was a coach, Detroit (outside of it being in Detroit) is a nice destination. You basically are taking over an expansion team, and can do whatever you want.

the results of a horrible scouting dept/personnel dept in Detroit dramatically limit his ability to do whatever he wants. He needs to figure out what's wrong and make changes ASAP with Mayhew. They flat out need to be much better at drafting. Until they field a good team, they will not be able to attract FAs as easily as some teams. They'll have to build it thru the draft and with lesser veteran FAs and that's not an easy task.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Linehan hired to be OC

 

[SofaKings]

And the Lions have actually LOST money the last three seasons. Not a lot but still maybe the impetus for real change?

 

[Bri]

What's the deal with Furrey and McDonald? FAs?

This http://www.detroitlions.com/section_displa...=21&level=2 looks so grim the new regime will have to fight every urge to not draft a WR like the old regime.

 

[Bri]

Looks like Schwartz is bringing Matt Burke(the guy that breaks down opponents/film) from the Titans to the Lions in(naturally) a more prominent role.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

And the Lions have actually LOST money the last three seasons. Not a lot but still maybe the impetus for real change?

Losing money in the NFL is nearly impossible, but we are talking about the people that run Ford too so Im not surprised

 

[T Bell]

And the Lions have actually LOST money the last three seasons. Not a lot but still maybe the impetus for real change?

That's pretty hard to do at all in the NFL, much less with a new(ish) stadium and recently changed uniforms. Pretty embarrassing, actually. I hope you're right about the impetus for change.

 

[Raider Nation]

And the suckage continues.

 

[SacramentoBob]

2.5 years is the O/U

Until a Super Bowl run?

 

[jon_mx]

Give me the over please.

 

[Bri]

There was an article in the beginning of Schwartz' tenure how he was taking players to shopping malls in order to help drum up interest in the team again. I almost couldn't believe an NFL team needing to do that, but here were these perennial losers and...idk Schwartz having to do that, thinking to do that etc. has stuck with me as something quietly impressive about him.